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09 Feb 18 20:00
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Still very early days but a burst of wins for Dark Angel this week brings him to 10 so far with Kodiac and Exceed and Excel on 9 each. Same names at the top although Dubawi is only on 2 so far-not an AW sire.

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By:
sageform
When: 14 Feb 18 19:54
Now a 5 way tie for the lead on 10 wins each.
Kodiac, Exceed and Excel, Dark Angel, Poets Voice and Invincible Spirit. Poets Voice the only one that has not been in the top 10 before.
By:
potentialmillionaire
When: 15 Feb 18 14:27
Thank you once again Sage for embarking on your odyssey this time for 2018, as always I find it most informative.

For instance, what are we to make of the winners machine that is Poet's Voice? Can he gain an increase in popularity given that he actually produces what the breeding game was designed to achieve?
By:
sageform
When: 17 Feb 18 16:38
As a well bred son of Dubawi, I am surprised that PV is so reasonably priced. Kodiac back in front today with Reckless Endeavor so now on 12. Thanks pot, I did wonder if anyone was still reading my ramblings.
By:
dominion
When: 25 Feb 18 18:55
Very helpful information Sage.Can you tell me how Delegator is doing as a sire ? Thanks.
By:
sageform
When: 26 Feb 18 09:07
GB only data. (If you want GB and Ireland look elsewhere). Delegator 13 in first season 2016, 23 in 2017 and 7 so far in 2018. Steady but not spectacular progress. Dragon Pulse is the leading younger sire this year to date with 11. Galileo only 2 so far but never gets many on the AW.
By:
dominion
When: 27 Feb 18 15:20
Thank you very much Sage.Why this information isn't more readily available within the industry is a mystery to me.
By:
blackbarn
When: 27 Feb 18 20:49
Isn't this info available on the Racing Post Sire stats?     Or is that subscribers only?
By:
dominion
When: 01 Mar 18 16:04
Correct.It used to be. But not anymore.
By:
sageform
When: 09 Mar 18 11:27
It is available on the RP site but unless you record it daily as I do, there is no site that I know of that separates GB from Irish sire data. To check my figures I have to go to Bloodstock, Stallions, choose the sire, filter for year and then look at every horse that won from the list and check that they won on a GB track as the list lumps together all progeny that won wherever the course was.
By:
Ile Postino
When: 10 Mar 18 11:46
Does this help?
https://www.arion.co.nz/LeadingSires/LeadingSires.aspx

If you go to the Leading sires tab at the top you can filter per individual country, and season.
By:
kincsem
When: 10 Mar 18 13:41
Ile Postino
Thank for that great link. Love
By:
sageform
When: 11 Mar 18 19:20
Wow! Thanks. How did you find that one?
By:
Ile Postino
When: 12 Mar 18 21:16
I have had a few dealings with Arion through work and found them pretty good and reliable. It's quite handy for keeping track of worldwide information without having to pay for it! Also interesting to follow how well certain sires do in different countries, like Exceed And Excel in Hong Kong....one assumes down to fast ground, flat tracks....
By:
sageform
When: 13 Mar 18 11:48
Very useful site. The British and Irish breeders have always resisted any separation of data so it takes an overseas site to produce it.
By:
truehoncho
When: 13 Mar 18 19:53
Thanks Ile Postino much appreciated, and of course yourself Sageform. RP should be ashamed of itself for putting sire stats for members only. I pay for the paper (I don't thin I will any more) and I don't get them there either.
By:
truehoncho
When: 13 Mar 18 19:56
even more impressed. It has second season and 3yo sire tables. I don't think the RP had them.
By:
sageform
When: 14 Mar 18 14:04
I am reduntant now thenHappy But wait, does it separate AW and turf and monthly data as well?
By:
johnnythebull
When: 21 Mar 18 12:08
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By:
sageform
When: 30 Mar 18 17:49
Dark Angel briefly drew level with Kodiac but 2 more today restored a Kodiac lead of 21-19
By:
sageform
When: 05 Apr 18 07:55
Big surprise to me among the top 20 is Delegator now on 12 wins so far this year. Are his progeny suited by the AW or is this a breakthrough season?
By:
dominion
When: 10 Apr 18 14:06
Hi Sageform, I think he has something of Sir Percy's profile.In that he can get you a variety of horses, over a a range of distances.Again like Percy, they improve with time.Unfortunately, I think he will run out of ammunition as the season wears on, but it's nice to see him have his moment in the spot light.PS.I think he had a Listed placed horse in France a few days ago.
By:
dominion
When: 10 Apr 18 14:09
I should have made it clearer, that the reason for his current success, is I believe, he has 3 and 4 yr olds running for him now,not just two yr olds.Older,stronger, quicker.
By:
sageform
When: 12 Apr 18 08:36
Sure you are right about the older horses but Frankel should also benefit from 2 older crops yet he has just 2 wins so far as they don't often race on the AW and the turf flat season seems to ended before it had begunSad Here we are at April 12 and still no turf flat before Monday at the earliest.
By:
sageform
When: 25 Apr 18 10:52
With some turf under their feet, some Frankel offspring are winning races. Now 5 wins in April in GB plus some nice wins in Ireland and France. Dubawi is another who is really flying now on turf with 7 in April. At the top it is:

Kodiac 26
Dark Angel 25
Invincible Spirit 23
Exceed and Excel 22
Poets Voice 21

Top Derby winning sire by some way is New Approach on 16 from Sir Percy 12. Galileo has just 2 which emphasizes that Irish racing is very different to GB.
By:
Koo....
When: 01 May 18 15:14
Just looking at these and even tho Kodiac is still leading on 31 winners (im including ireland) he has had 319 runners which is 74 more runners more than 2nd most running sire Dark Angel and the 3rd has only had 200 runners so far.  Shows just how many runners he has on the ground Kodiac.   btw if you had had £1 on every runner your losing 82 at betfair SP
By:
sageform
When: 02 May 18 07:58
Thanks Koo, I am not suggesting that anyone follows the top sires blind. As you say, some of them have an awful lot of runners. You can with experience narrow them down though. I very rarely bet any horse on the flat that has run more than 10 times in its career as the form book should tell you what it can do and pedigree has very little to add. Low grade sprint handicaps have around 12 runners in each and most of the horses win in their turn so the win percentage will be around 8%.
By:
Koo....
When: 02 May 18 13:09
It was just an addition as i was looking at some stats.   Im happy to put anymore from tome to time if anyone asks.  I did look quicky at which damsires had had most winners, but it was dominated by the likes of Galileo and Pivotal as they have massive numbers of runners.
By:
roadrunner46
When: 07 May 18 15:53
a 2nd in the guineas for dark angel, amazing result, kodiac always keeps dark angel from getting to the number 1 spot with all those 2yo winners, none of them are ever top classCry
By:
sageform
When: 08 May 18 10:23
Dark Angel actually ahead of Kodiac for GB wins this year but the lead changes every few days. Invincible Spirit close behind.
By:
sageform
When: 16 May 18 16:01
A treble in 45 minutes for Dark Angel. George Bowen, Harry Angel and Navajo Storm. Now on 40 for the year and 13 for May!
By:
sageform
When: 23 May 18 16:45
Back comes Kodiac with 5 wins in 2 days. Now on 45 for the year and Dark Angel is on 43.
By:
sageform
When: 24 May 18 12:05
I notice that the RP have finally separated GB sire stats from GB and Iralnd but it is only the annual list so I will continue to keep monthly ones.
By:
sageform
When: 04 Jun 18 20:06
Kodiac still flying along with 6 more wins in June already and now on 58 for 2018, 11 clear of Dark Angel and 18 ahead of Exceed and Excel in third.
By:
sageform
When: 17 Jun 18 16:10
Sunsprite the latest Kodiac 2yo to win a valuable race at Salisbury today. Nytaleti beat Billesdon Brook last year!
By:
sageform
When: 19 Jun 18 18:01
Two royal Ascot wins for Frankel including the St James' Palace. Third season sires are all in a heap in terms of GB wins but Frankel well clear for prize money with Cracksman still to come:

Mayson 29
Bated Breath 26
Frankel 25
Nathaniel 25
Dragon Pulse 24
By:
sageform
When: 30 Jun 18 19:55
Half way through the year but a bit less than half of the flat races of 2018 have been run.
Kodiac still clear on 75 from Dark Angel on 63.
Poets Voice proving very versatile and a big loss. He has 46 so far compared to 72 last year.
Biggest improvers among the top 25 GB flat sires are Mastercraftsman and Sixties Icon. The latter has already matched his 2017 total of 30 largely due to Mick Channon.


Society Rock is well clear in the second season table.
By:
lewisham ranger
When: 02 Jul 18 10:56
kodiac is probably my favourite sire. obviously the reason he isn't in the 100k bracket is because he's know for prodigious two year olds, zoffany is a similar sort of sire imo. main edition looked impressive in the falmouth but will she train on as a three year old? the jury is out.
By:
lewisham ranger
When: 02 Jul 18 10:59
for example yesterday harrington had a two year old winner with klute, in the first at the curragh, none of them had raced before so you were guessing based on connections and breeding, given the sire and connections 20-1 was far too big (with the ability of hindsight, I didn't back it.)
By:
sageform
When: 02 Jul 18 15:30
Agreed Lwisham, I dodn't really look at the race until afterwards and kicked myself when I saw the trainer in great form with a Kodiac newcomer. There are a lot of them about thoughHappy
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