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Anyone have any idea when we might see our first Frankel two year olds? I expect he will have more for the 6f/7f races later in season but you would think a couple might be out in time for Ascot.
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Cunco (Frankel ex Chrysanthemum) entered at Newbury on Friday for Gosden.
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Good start
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Do you ever get the feeling that the first runners of any expensive sire are a bit stage managed?
The good ones are first out of the traps, win, the advertising trumpets are blown, then the other runners appear. |
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I agree it does happen when a select few have most of the nominations, as with Frankel. The other end of the scale is Bated Breath and Harbour Watch, 10 runners each no winners. I never thought BB would be a precocious sire but with HW what else would you have tried to breed in if not 2yo's? It doesn't look good for him, even this early in the season.
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good one = Royal Ascot (promote trainer)
bad one = do not run got to keep the owner paying the fees |
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Stage managed perhaps, but they still have to be capable of winning and Cunco looked very green but still won going away.
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Second Frankel 2yo runs today at 2.40 Haydock.
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well beaten
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Beaten yes but a very promising debut, running on strongly. I will certainly be backing it over 7 furlongs.
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He's going well
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The first filly looked pretty useful although it didn't look a strong race. It will be the second runs from the three Frankel offspring that will tell us how good they are. It could be the autumn before we see the best ones though.
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another today , 4 from 5 i believe
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His first Pattern winner today with the very promising FAIR EVA-and many more to come no doubt!
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Looked an exceptional filly with the best time rating of the whole card.
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First and third in the Lowther not too shabby.
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But not necessarily in the right order sageform!
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There were few form lines to compare the two, only hype made the market. they might not finish in the same order over a different distance or in 8 months time but nobody seems to be saying that Fair Eva was unlucky on the day. The Frankel offspring I like was the Cumani trained Aljezerah who stayed a mile well on debut. Majoris has a chance to add a Group 3 to the tally today.
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Jockey reported she ran flat. She was very hyped after a visually impressive victory at Ascot, but even if she ran flat she's still pretty good at least. Another furlong or two will bring out further improvement on would think as you say.
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i see coolmore have a Frankel running tomorrow , go on the lads
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Atty Persse looked yet another good son of Frankel today.
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two more Frankel runners today in the same race at Newbury. Will they be risked on soft/heavy though? Swiss Storm was well backed on debut but looked slow to me so I will be having a small bet on Alfawaris.
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Got it wrong in that Swiss Storm has improved massively from first run or the opposition today were much inferior to those at Haydock. Alfawaris was very weak in the market but ran OK and might prefer good ground.
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FRANKEL, 63% strike rate so far.
 cherry pick ,swiss storm ,frankuus, toulifaut, queen kindly.2,00 today, gosden /havlin in profit 2yr olds track. |
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Monarchs Glen narrowly beaten at Goodwood but still a very good debut over 9 furlongs.
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fair eva ,weekend not worth it odds on.
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Eminent 6/1! Made my day. Just shows that the market still discounts less well known trainers even when Frankel is involved. One of his most promising colts yet.
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cash cow.wd
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Sorry Sageform, I think your wrong on this one. Not much of a looker and played up quite a lot in the pre parade ring. It turned out a poor race (although I accept he won it well enough). Over a second slower than the nursery and carried 4lb less than the winner. He may well improve but if he turns out one of his best F wont be £125k for long. The form of this race won't hold up.
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I see Godolphin have bought Atty Perse trained by Roger Charlton. Interesting given their recent announcements regarding their bloodstock operations.
I know that Sheikh Mo doesn't use many Coolmore stallions but not sure about his Juddmonte policy. Presumably if he wanted a few Frankels he could just go to the odd sale and she'll out a bit of that chump change from his bank account. |
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truehoncho, I am happy to read and note your observations from on course. I also note that the jockey recommended putting Eminent away until next year which suggests he is still backward and not ready to go up in class yet. I don't see him as a Guineas horse at all but over a longer distance he might be very good. He raced wide without cover yesterday but came past his rivals without seeming to be put under any pressure. We will see how good his opposition was in due course.
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Fair Eva exposed now as only a Group 3 filly and surely not a Guineas winner.
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Its easy to be wise after the event sageform (and this is not aimed at you) but there was a very good post in the Ante Post forum discussing how Fair Eva's rating after Ascot was based on the ratings of those finishing behind her being increased way beyond normal for horses beaten in a race....
She has been beaten fair and square the last two races-at York by a pretty decent filly, and who knows about this filly today? However the bubble has been well and truly burst today, and she is a decent filly but no world beather. |
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Hi Sageform, I think that's fair.
BBC, I couldn't agree more. I had her many pounds below the silly official rating but kept it to myself as I would have been a 'Frankel Basher'. She is a nice looking filly and did get a little warm today but I'm not sure it made much of a difference. She looks more like a sprinter to me and I would maybe bring her back to 6F next year. The 2 IS's in the last maiden looked good but the one that finished 2nd may well go on to be better, he was a real strong looker. |
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truehoncho-I too am not in the business of bashing Frankel-he was an outstanding colt-his record on the racecourse bears the closest inspection and scrutiny.
He has also had a very good start to his career at stud, with a number of very promising maiden winners and a couple of group performers at this early stage. Its just the hype does not, as yet, match up to the overall achievements. Of course, should Queen Kindly win tomorrow and give him a Group 1 winner in his first crop, there will be plenty of trumpet blowing.....and deservedly so. Especially as his potential Classic horses for next year will be making their debuts soon (you would hope. |
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queen kindly has lesley wards to beat gl.?
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Queen Kindly completing a disappointing weekend for Frankel. Too bad to be true it would seem according to the trainer.
Possible that the filly was over the top, but that remains to be seen next year. |
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If there has been one common thread with the Frankel's so far it is a high level of ability that they can mostly show first time but little improvement from that first effort. The Elsworth horse Swiss Storm seemed to improve but time will tell if that was an illusion.
None of the ones that have won over 6 furlongs have really gone on. Cunco, Fair Eva and Queen Kindly have all gone backwards after 2 or 3 good runs. The staying types have mostly only run in maidens so it is too early to judge. Although Frankel had a lot of speed, he only raced over 7 furlongs 3 times as a 2yo and actually started over a mile so it is logical that his progeny will be more middle distance or stayers than anything else. |
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Apologies, he ran over 7 furlongs in the Greenham at 3yo but after that it was a mile of further.
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Queen Kindly didn't look great in the paddock and it surprised me after trainers comments. She has a great back end on her and she could be a good sprinter next year. Let's hope so. Best looking filly won the Cheveley Park. I will be betting her for the Guineas.
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