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Looking through the catalogue and have reached page 224 and would find it very hard to get excited about ANY . I know they are making huge money and no doubt these will do as well , but my God there is some rubbish about..
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It's a good thing mine is selling on Day 2 then, I was nearly very offended.....
Wishing those buying or selling every success this week....
Posh, my best wishes to you and my stomach churns with you. . . . No idea why we do it 
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Thanks PM, it seemed like a good idea at the time.....
Hope to goodness that was you with 428 but didnt see any white feet on my grainy stream. Horse looks well though.
One of my foals sold on well enough but the Euro grabbing a lot of profits for the paddys I'm afraid.
One of my foals sold on well enough but the Euro grabbing a lot of profits for the paddys I'm afraid.
Yer Ma, I'm afraid 428 was not me.
Sadly I took a pasting today, she was a lovely filly, not a huge amount to her but she had a good walk and had a bit of paper. Unfortunately it appears her stallion is this years "kiss of death" and despite 15 uk/ire 2yo winners is obviously being viewed as a disappointment.
I knew I was heading for trouble by what others of his progeny were selling for but I did still breath a sigh of relief when she sold for her meagre reserve.
Obviously gutted but am fairly philosophical about it and will learn from the experience.
I live to fight another day.
Sadly I took a pasting today, she was a lovely filly, not a huge amount to her but she had a good walk and had a bit of paper. Unfortunately it appears her stallion is this years "kiss of death" and despite 15 uk/ire 2yo winners is obviously being viewed as a disappointment.
I knew I was heading for trouble by what others of his progeny were selling for but I did still breath a sigh of relief when she sold for her meagre reserve.
Obviously gutted but am fairly philosophical about it and will learn from the experience.
I live to fight another day.
I think that Elusive Pimpernel yearling tells you not to worry about what they look like if you have a good pedigree. I am pleased to see cheap stallions doing well though.
Disappointed to hear that PP. Hope it doesnt impact on your cash flow too much. A stallion bought by the doyles, pumped by the doyles and then discarded for the next great white hope by the doyles. Nature of the beast I suppose. Despite averages there seemed plenty scope to buy a cheapish racehorse - 5 Mastercraftsmen selling for under 25k Euro...
The half brother 3yo won for 2nd time since I sold mine yesterday and the full brother 2yo won an Irish maiden first time out today.
Gutted.
Gutted.
I thought you were the breeder Posh, did you just pinhook it?
That's a stinker PP. Clear demonstration that (some/most) agents/trainer are stupid and/or lazy. And Lyons must a particularly lazy fecker too if he's a 75k colt who has 'exciting times' ahead but... I'll not buy the full sister for a song. Vindication you are doing the right things but it doesnt pay the bills I know.
Elephant in the room here.
Judging by the photo Posh, the filly hadn't done you a great many favours physically since you bought her.
If you have a truly lovely horse then it's amazing how much people will get over their prejudices. But they simply won't bother looking beyond fashion if not. I sold a foal one year by a cold stallion who made more than the stallion had managed with his yearlings a month before and I've got close to that on several occasions.
I am not sure that the Lyons Colt is definitely nailed on to be much better than ordinary on that show and I think you have to give him the benefit for perhaps not being convinced he was a stakes horse 6 weeks previously.
And then if you don't like the yearling full sister. . . .
Keep searching for the stunners - they are so much more satisfying to show if nothing else - and keep a wary eye on what might happen to your stallion in the intervening 10 months. We all know which direction they have a habit of going
Judging by the photo Posh, the filly hadn't done you a great many favours physically since you bought her.
If you have a truly lovely horse then it's amazing how much people will get over their prejudices. But they simply won't bother looking beyond fashion if not. I sold a foal one year by a cold stallion who made more than the stallion had managed with his yearlings a month before and I've got close to that on several occasions.
I am not sure that the Lyons Colt is definitely nailed on to be much better than ordinary on that show and I think you have to give him the benefit for perhaps not being convinced he was a stakes horse 6 weeks previously.
And then if you don't like the yearling full sister. . . .
Keep searching for the stunners - they are so much more satisfying to show if nothing else - and keep a wary eye on what might happen to your stallion in the intervening 10 months. We all know which direction they have a habit of going
You are very generous PotM. IMO if you don't know roughly where you stand with a 2yo in Oct when you've ran 30+ juveniles then I'm not giving you 50Euro a day. Hardly a gamble at FIVE thousand euro. That said, big owner and the trainer's relative success / Pearl patronage means they dont have to fish in these waters so I'd say he didnt even eyeball her....could be wrong though.
PP we sold a unfashionable sprint stallion yearling for 5k - one of the sires top 10 horses now and the conclusion must be it was unattractive but that's utter bllx. We were/are nobody vendors, got a crappy end of day slot at secondary Donny sale and nobody bothered to look...just had to suck it up (and stick to foals)
PP we sold a unfashionable sprint stallion yearling for 5k - one of the sires top 10 horses now and the conclusion must be it was unattractive but that's utter bllx. We were/are nobody vendors, got a crappy end of day slot at secondary Donny sale and nobody bothered to look...just had to suck it up (and stick to foals)
PotM you are right, she didn't do me any favours.
She just wasn't the type to bulk up and was difficult to get condition on. She was however correct and walked well.
Compromises had to be made with my budget and I chose a bit of paper and a potential uplift in the siblings over a better model.
You pay your money, you take your chances.
If I revisit the sales I will look for less paper and more tank. As it goes I have learnt the lesson already. Mrs PP saw a cracking Tagula colt at the same sale and I turned it down as I didn't like the paper. It sold for 8 as a foal and re sold as a yearling for 40!
I have no issue with Mr Lyons, I was advised that it would not run until next year but plans change and I hold no grudge as he didn't have to tell me anything and could have told me were to go. Judging by his comments on social media on the morning of the race and the SP I don't think he believed he had the 2nd coming in his yard. Also mine obviously didn't take after her brother as she looked like she would come to hand early.
It's just a bit of bad luck that the updates arrived a month too late. It's a learning experience all be it an expensive one and I'll put it to good use.
I think the filly is on her way to sunnier climes (South America I think) unless the gentlemen were fronting for someone closer to home. Time will tell.
She just wasn't the type to bulk up and was difficult to get condition on. She was however correct and walked well.
Compromises had to be made with my budget and I chose a bit of paper and a potential uplift in the siblings over a better model.
You pay your money, you take your chances.
If I revisit the sales I will look for less paper and more tank. As it goes I have learnt the lesson already. Mrs PP saw a cracking Tagula colt at the same sale and I turned it down as I didn't like the paper. It sold for 8 as a foal and re sold as a yearling for 40!
I have no issue with Mr Lyons, I was advised that it would not run until next year but plans change and I hold no grudge as he didn't have to tell me anything and could have told me were to go. Judging by his comments on social media on the morning of the race and the SP I don't think he believed he had the 2nd coming in his yard. Also mine obviously didn't take after her brother as she looked like she would come to hand early.
It's just a bit of bad luck that the updates arrived a month too late. It's a learning experience all be it an expensive one and I'll put it to good use.
I think the filly is on her way to sunnier climes (South America I think) unless the gentlemen were fronting for someone closer to home. Time will tell.
I think Yer Ma's point about nobody breeders and crappy slots is right on the button. You just have to keep going.
Oh dear, Posh, the hardest lesson of all....the missus knows best!
Mrs Paddy, well I hope she's not the type to dine out Posh!
In my humbles the lessons you say you've learned are goodys to tick off. With the benefit of hindsight and patronising gets like me, I suppose that to buy what was quite a hot sire, after his first yearling figures, and a full sibling to quite an expensive one of them, well there was chance that you weren't going to get the best value were you.
HOWEVER, I know from experience that when it comes to the shortlist, things get put on for all sorts of reasons, not least desperation. One thing though never changes and that is a duff horse is way more of a hinderance than anything that may be written on a catalogue page.
I am with you on what was thought of the 2yo. Backward 2yos can suddenly come with a rattle with no warning and indeed all late maturing horses can improve many pounds per run. It is one thing to have a nice easy moving promising youngster and quite another to be certain they are going to step up once their final work and a race day iare imminent.
Potential updates are something I always used to ignore when I first started and was doing a bit of pinhooking. They are always spotted, they always put the price up and they always come off. Now which of those last three statements doesn't ring true?! Always count on bad luck, I think it's that bit more dependable in this game.
Truehonch, I am an ordinary breeder with crappy slots. I would admit that my slots are a little better nowadays but I still can't sell ordinary horses and I could always sell a nice one wherever it appeared. One thing I was guilty of though was that thinking my geese were swans in the early days and blaming anything I could find. Stabling, slots, colour of my pants, you name it. It is only more recently that I have had some nicer horses and look back at the lesser lights for what they were.
But of course I defer to the great judges amongst you ( I am not one) who know exactly what they've got, please can you teach me next?!
One of the hottest sires in recent memory, Dark Angel, had 10 yearlings make under 17000guineas this time around. Fashion and circumstance put cream on the cake for sure. They do not bake the cake though and a nice one is always tasty enough without cream.
God what a rant, please ignore if wished - quite understand!
In my humbles the lessons you say you've learned are goodys to tick off. With the benefit of hindsight and patronising gets like me, I suppose that to buy what was quite a hot sire, after his first yearling figures, and a full sibling to quite an expensive one of them, well there was chance that you weren't going to get the best value were you.
HOWEVER, I know from experience that when it comes to the shortlist, things get put on for all sorts of reasons, not least desperation. One thing though never changes and that is a duff horse is way more of a hinderance than anything that may be written on a catalogue page.
I am with you on what was thought of the 2yo. Backward 2yos can suddenly come with a rattle with no warning and indeed all late maturing horses can improve many pounds per run. It is one thing to have a nice easy moving promising youngster and quite another to be certain they are going to step up once their final work and a race day iare imminent.
Potential updates are something I always used to ignore when I first started and was doing a bit of pinhooking. They are always spotted, they always put the price up and they always come off. Now which of those last three statements doesn't ring true?! Always count on bad luck, I think it's that bit more dependable in this game.
Truehonch, I am an ordinary breeder with crappy slots. I would admit that my slots are a little better nowadays but I still can't sell ordinary horses and I could always sell a nice one wherever it appeared. One thing I was guilty of though was that thinking my geese were swans in the early days and blaming anything I could find. Stabling, slots, colour of my pants, you name it. It is only more recently that I have had some nicer horses and look back at the lesser lights for what they were.
But of course I defer to the great judges amongst you ( I am not one) who know exactly what they've got, please can you teach me next?!
One of the hottest sires in recent memory, Dark Angel, had 10 yearlings make under 17000guineas this time around. Fashion and circumstance put cream on the cake for sure. They do not bake the cake though and a nice one is always tasty enough without cream.
God what a rant, please ignore if wished - quite understand!
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