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ffs
16 Apr 15 09:11
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Fellas,

If I told you I have a NH mare, with black-type up and down the page, from Grade 1 bumpers through Grade 1 3m Chases .. a very strong, commercial pedigree , but I wanted to try breed something that could possibly race as dual-purpose, basically to see if there's a potential Cup-horse in there,

Something that I could start out in bumpers at 4yo and, test the waters through the Irish Q.R. races and 1m6/2m 4yo+ Flat maidens, with the upside of a potential class Flat stayer, and with the backup of a quality NH horse.

What sire would you suggest ? preferably in Ireland, but not limited at all,

I quite like Dalakhani, primarily because he's tall and scopy ... and though he's a hard sell on the Flat he gets top-class performers with the right mares. In a similar vein, Nayef is one I think has potential, super-cheap, beautifully bred, loads of substance and tall! Those middle-distance horses are obviously coming down in price very hard, and I'm interested in what others are out there,

Beat Hollow seems obvious but I'm not so keen, basically because though he is racy and a stamina influence for the Flat he's only 15'3 which really puts me off the NH angle - where the good money is really in breeding proper chasers.

Fame and Glory could be one, and his foals were very good, but I'd like to see a few crops on the ground first.

Shirocco could be the obvious answer, covering both bases at Grade / Group 1 level and that's a strong argument !

I know the NH sires well, and I don't see the potential in an Oscar / Milan. I just don't see the upside to make a Cup-horse, even though Missunited was by Golan ...


So, really the question is from those of you who know the Flat sires well - which would appeal in terms of size, scope, guaranteed to stay, maybe take a cut in the ground, maybe progress with age,

Any suggestions very welcome,

thanks.
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Report Somerset Sam April 16, 2015 4:57 PM BST
You havent mentioned your mares pedigree but I'd definitely agree with Shirocco and throw in the likes of (some more proven than others and some just from left field!!):

Grey Swallow
Black Sam Bellamy
Dylan Thomas
Sans Frontieres
Notnowcato
Lindas Lad
Americain
Sixties Icon

Keep us all posted with how you get on. Good luck all the best to you and your mare whatever you decide.
Report ffs April 16, 2015 10:18 PM BST
Thanks Sam,


The dam comes from the Ribot line, and the grandam from Menelek.

A possible daughter to try from is by Presenting, though there is a very classy King's Theatre also (much more racy).
Report ffs April 16, 2015 10:29 PM BST
Just amazing how quickly Dylan Thomas fell from grace, though he seems to be getting a small few now.

Black Sam is one I know well and a good shout.

Sixties Icon is a good idea.
Report ffs May 1, 2015 1:59 AM BST
well I gotta say, this is a fountain of knowledge !! ...
Report ffs May 1, 2015 1:59 AM BST
bring back the budgies imo, ridiculous.
Report Somerset Sam May 1, 2015 10:01 AM BST
Amazed no one else commented, have you decided what to do ffs?
Report ffs May 2, 2015 4:55 PM BST
Jesus I don't know ... I still like Dalakhani, will see about price + availablity (he only covered 40 in 2013), also Shirocco is an obvious. Nayef is one I quite like, but would rather Ireland.

After that - don't know - would like something 16'1 at least, so do a check of the stallion books ...
Report proxygene May 2, 2015 8:18 PM BST
No help now I know but Dubai Destination could have done a job.
Report proxygene May 2, 2015 8:34 PM BST
Black Same Bellamy
Daylami
Trans Island
Dylan Thomas
Rudimantary maybe
Sixties Icon
Gentlewave
Royal Anthem
Big Bad Bob maybe
Arakan
Report proxygene May 2, 2015 8:36 PM BST
But yes Dalakhani better than all of them but price still at flat levels and don't know how well they jump.
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