Sires in Form November

No Coolmore stallions on the list?
Why do people continue to use this outfit?
It is about time breeders kopped on to themselves.

They all stay in Ireland and clean up there.

Gotchee, you say the same thing over and over again and sageform reminds you he's counting UK runs only.

If you have a case to make please present the facts and figures; there's plenty of data publicly available to make a case for or agin'

there's no doubt they are in a new place with their Irish stallions but look at their record in US and Oz now?

PS will be interesting to see if Arabs can succeed with the new Coolmore lines they acquired from Jimbo

How many Dubawis do Godolphin have?
Heres a good example of massaging statistical figures, 7 of his winners in Nov including repeat winners came from Godolphin (majority Appleby) the highest been a Class 2 Conditions race.
You can see his Group race haul dropping now the Boys in Blue are chucking everything at him. Its a good tactic to have Ferguson paying over the odds at the sales aswell seems everyone wants to send him a mare at 125k.
Anyone notice loads of the Darley bred ones are tiny.

I don't agree with sageform insofar as "They all stay in Ireland and clean up there". Four of the first five stallions on the list are Irish based.
Why don't you give us the GB and Ireland stats combined, otherwise your figures are fundamentally flawed.

Where can we get the publicly available data that gives us the number of foals to runners of racing age?

The Gotchee, Sageform, as he has always stated, keeps detailed records of British racing out of interest and to aid his punting. He kindly posts them on here so we can enjoy them the same way yet here you are having a moan that he doesn't do enough!

Think on.

If you want combined GB and Irish stats, look at the Racing Post or other websites. The only reason why I keep and post GB stats is that I can't find any official record. Why do you think it is right to combine GB and Irish but not combine them with French for example? Either you keep stats for each country separately or you combine all stats for each sire worldwide. Nobody suggests combining trainer, jockey or owner stats with Ireland. Why are sires different?

the irish field gives them every week through out the flat season ,2nd season 3rd season 1st season etc,am sure u'll get them on there website ,i think u'll find coolmore stallion's have done quite well on them ,plus gives broodmare sire list's aswell which is quiet nastalgic ,as most at the top are desceased greats

Where will I get runners to foals of racing age?
That in my view, is a most important statistic.
For example. if a stallion has 250 foals in his first crop and has 20 winners and another stallion has 50 foals and has 20 winners who is the better stallion? 
Stallion Operators have been fooling breeders for years with their lack of transparency and limited sire information..
I believe all stallions should have a Veterinary Certificate of soundness for inspection by prospective nomination buyers. Will this ever happen?
It happens in Germany. Why not in Ireland and the UK?
Another issue is how stallion information is described in a sales catalogue.
Lets take the case of INTIKHAB and the info given in US catalogues
which is much more informative than the information on  Irish and UK catalogues.
INTIKHAB (1994). Hwt. at 4 in Europe and England, black-type winner of
$381,944, Queen Anne S. [G2], etc. Sire of 12 crops of racing age, 717
foals, 502 starters, 22 black-type winners, 306 winners of 922 races and
earning $21,086,930, including Snow Fairy (hwt. 8 times, 8 wins, $4,874,- 916, Darley Irish Oaks [G1], etc.), Red Evie [G1] (hwt., 9 wins, $763,111).
Sire of dams of black-type winners Igugu (champion), Gordon Lord Byron,
Honorius, Pirika, Shamkala, Licia, Magical Dream (IRE), Lucky Serena.

on reflection "publicly available" might be misconstrued for "free"

to get the level of information required to drill down to find the best sires to follow from a punting pov you will need to subscribe to the weatherbys publications and a good racing database at a minimum.

I agree that without the stats on number of offspring and runs per horse, my information is less valuable but that is not the purpose of my spreadsheet. It would just take too long to record all of the losing horses daily so I just record the winners. Over a few seasons patterns emerge. Some sires seem to have winners in bunches at certain times of year while others get a steady flow through the 12 months. When third and fourth season sires overtake their 2013 totals by July in 2014 you know that they are either having a lot more runners or the quality is improving. I also take particular note of sires that get multiple winners as that often indicates gameness and durability while other sires get offspring that win a nice race but then never reproduce the form.
Pivotal and Kyllachy get a lot of winners in photo finishes-do they just try that bit harder in a finish? So many factors but they all keep me amused.

Dubawi became the seventh GB sire to get 100 winners in GB today.

Invincible Spirit finally drew level with the record annual total of 132 GB wins set by Cape Cross in his Sea The Stars year when Grendisar won at Lingfield yesterday.