new stallions 2014

Camelot must surely be the play here at around than 30-50k? given his sire, speedy dam side, Guineas win and 500k yearling tag, he is a stunning looking horse.

There will probably never be a better time to retire Olympic Glory as he needs bad ground so it is going to probably be another year before he gets the chance to show his best again.

Farbh is by far the best racehorse of all the retirees much as I love St Nick.

Intello Galileo

I have just been looking at the foal catalogue and there are a few by Compton Place in there. I think yearlings will sell by him but has he much of a profile with buyers? For that matter if you were looking at buying a foal (less than 10k), what sires would you be looking at?

Hi trueoncho Ive been reading through foal book so far just gone through the first day and to me its more about the commercial side
on first day.I would say mark down what you see as a long term project and then mark down what you see as more selling prospect it
all depends on what your really looking for and your own budget as well.If the markets hold up like they have been recently then this foal sale going to see some crazy prices for foals,was watching and reading through the keenland sales and there was an war front foal that sold for $800,000 it amazes me what some do go for

Know problem TrueHoncho I'll be up there myself taking a view and gathering more data for myself and notes for the future reference
Going to be interesting seeing odd one or two have marked down that are related to an few horses i looked after  in past.If you have the time could stop for a chat in person exchange notes on what have seen from some of the foals. I'm always open to listening to someone who has taken the plunge and is breeding and selling pm me if you are interested in meeting for a chat at sales

Intense Focus 10k, and Jim don't allow discounts btw.  Yearling median 2012 11k and 2013 (mostly post Gimcrack Astaire) 11k.  Arrogance or greed?

Instead of all the irrelevant guff in the Owners & Breeders and the TBA paying accountancy firms to tell us what we already know....how about someone confronting the stallion owners over the logic of their fees?  Makes energy companies seem like philathropists.

hello PoM,

i would like to have your opinion on harbour watch?
he is by a good sire of sire, a very decent pedigree
he was injured, but all of his 3 races since very very pleasant !!

i love reading your annalysis, really good stuff m8

thanks for your help

NB: for me a lot of the stallions of Tipperary have some good results but the sales are not very good when you compare to darley and co

Someone I respect says that "he wouldnt stop a pig in a corridor".

For those of you that dont speak fluent farmer, it means he turns his knees out quite a lot coming towards you. Having seen him at Ascot, I know that he has a fairly poor walk.

HOwever, I think its foolish to be overely critical about a sprinters walk. Many top class sprinter have a less than fluid walk, it tends to come with the territory of big shoulders/quarters. I would consider using Lethal Force if he was in my price bracket....unfortunately he's not.

Wilycayote,

sorry about the spelling!

I have 2 to get covered and I'm looking at some combination of the following:

Swiss Spirit
Helmet
Showcasing
Delegator
Sir Percy
Captain Gerrard

plus a foal from Tatts

Truehoncho, where did you find my list?!

Seriously, if you remove Captain Gerrard (he did well, but just not a sales prospect for me) you have pretty much got my list of options for my few mares. I guess it goes to show the limited options at our price level this year.

Good luck with the foal pin-hook.

Thanks for that Wily. I daresay he needs inspection but it helps to garner as much as you can as soon as poss.

Cheveley have made an art of standing crooked sprinters and doing well too. Sadly I have bred a few over the years and it really isn't the place I like to start. I do though have the perfect mare for Lethal Force but I am not sure she is nailed on to straighten one up.

I think that a sprinter will rarely swing along at the walk as you say although the fabulous 'agent' still likes to see what they like to see, never letting a good horse get in the way of a fashionable  purchase.

Kheleyf is a decent stallion, but if you get a filly you are in trouble in my experience. I've used him twice, made money on a colt, lost on a filly.

If Finjaan had gone through a public sale he would have made around £50k. If 12 breeders use him they could buy the horse themselves!
If you want a Newmarket stallion at that sort of money then I'd rather Pastoral Pursuits every time.

Champs Elysees unlucky not to land a groups 3 in France (btn short head)

I only left Kheleyf out as my mare has an unraced 2yo and other one wouldn't suit. Agree he is worth consideration. I would rather pay £5k for him than £7.5k for Harbour Watch

random, that's a big question!

How much is it going to cost to transport it to and from the sale, £500, or could you borrow a trailer?

Does it go wrong and pay our friend the vet's school fees? Or does it breeze through with just two jabs?

Are you going to look after it in a field behind your house or are you going to board it at Watership Down?

Are you going to prep it and present it or are you going to pay 4k to Highclere?

Will it need a 1k entry fee or are you going to do a 200 quid Doncaster job?

As you can see, I don't have the answers but if you can form a plan as to what path your pinhook, hypothetical or otherwise, will take, someone on here might have some more accurate ideas!

Ah totally accept your response potenial,I should of stated i'e

1st Doing the ground work and prep,&shown at sales myself

2nd Kept at own yard

3rd Rough cost of feed and supplements.

The vets fees i can understand if the horse goes wrong and jabs needed,
cost of transport would be for hired box unless deal can be done with
another close to where have the yard,at the time.I hope they clear
up partly what the aim is for myself in few year's time just trying,to
prepared and plan ahead get my saving's right so have right amount for
buying and taking the plunge.And then there insurance,I'm doing my research
and taking on-board what over people experience  have been and advice

It does surprise me about the certain buyers stick to the bigger breeding operations.Something not in favor of myself,
but then it also give's someone hope of finding an decent bargain that won't appeal to many.Ive got an idea of what am
willing to spend on an foal,possible look at buying two when everything is set up and ready.Id guess many get into it
thinking it will be easy money this i know is never the case,as you state some foolish things young horse can
do.Ive never kept my own horse before so working out that side of cost something,Ive got to add on the total out lay to
total cost.I'm not just diving in going to take my time and be properly prepared as this is something been on my mind,
to try from my days as an whipper snapper.Its been very helpful all the information some have informed on so thank you
to all who have offered some,free advice.For now just keeping my eye on certain stallions and will follow there progeny
before selecting what id buy for first go into the world of pin hocking.Does anyone know how Dream ahead been received and
number of foals he had in first season at stud?.I am searching for relative information on numbers of foals by sires just
not had any joy at finding an site which offers the information

Westlake's brother Powerscourt now stands in Turkey.  National Hunt stallion surely.

It' odd how some do and some don't.

Coolmore aren't shouting from the roof tops about theirs either.

I suppose if you aren't actively touting for mares (I know, nor is Dawn Approach) then why bother?
Mind you for those of us booked to one of them it would be a comfort to hear without having to ring the stud to wring it out of them!

I am rather liking the cheap Requinto's foal pics a little more than the expensive Excelebration right now, by the by

Just the usual p.r. proxy. On a Coolmore mailing list, EBN, on line Rp maybe.