New sires for 2014

He was bought as a yearling by Amanda Skeffington, who in the space of 6 weeks also bought Toronado. That is sensational,well done Amanda.
Very little black type in his pedigree and family not precocious.
He did very well to win a poor Group 1 as a 3 year old.
Not for me..............................................................

Please feel free to post Lairy Mary.

I believe johnnymustang  is the nom de plume of John Mcrirrick so we need to forgive him his misogyny

Thanks for starting this post J M, I've been meaning to do something similar so as you've done it I thought I'd better give it a go!

Havana. A 116 rated Jean Prat winner. The Jean Prat must be consistently one of the worst gp 1 races in the calendar and this fellow is no exception. Pedigree nothing to write home about either.
Pluses; Mrs Skiffington. She buys a glamourous smart type of horse so maybe he is of the same ilk which is a good place to start. Venue. Has to be a major plus right now too.

Finjaan has always been a horse I felt deserved a berth but I had rather given up hope and I don't know how inclined I am to rekindle things now. A he is a product of a popular sireline he might just be in with a squeak but a new stud sort of cancels that out rather doesn't it?
As with the above horse he is worth an inspection and then whether to fall for them will be the conundrum. I think I would rather hate them though and then move on.

Reckless Abandon. I feel he has a good profile and if I had a sane mare who I could ship to Ireland and I liked him on inspection then perhaps he is a goer. Certainly the front runner JM as you suggested elsewhere.

I have not given matings much thought and I am rather going to need to see what December sales brings as finances are tight right now. Thanks to a good year on the track though I've got a few mares who would be worth a bit of a dabble  - but how the hell are we going to find value next spring. I'm dreading the release of fees. And I'm certainly not going to get sucked into fees set on the strength of the sales ring if I am not sure the exploits of said sire's progeny on the track provides sufficient back up.

Novellist to Japan

Am I missing summ't? AK is a kentuckyer is he not?

I think Havana Gold is plenty at 8.5 but as I mentioned earlier, I think that fees are going to be high in an awful lot of cases so that H G with 1st season cachet and a good stud probably won't look too bad.

I think that I would be a Soft Falling Rain sort it usual checks come up to scratch. However Hamdan seems to have a Gp1 sort of thing going on for Nunnery so if that doesn't happen perhaps Derrinstown will get him.

Ireland seems to have the whip hand again at the 'commercial' end. Cheveley do a good job at keeping apace but they just get over excited at fee setting time!

Could Mukhadram be of interest if they retired him this year? (this was posted before the champion stakes)

George Vancouver to France. A long way for a walk in but you could get your stud fee back importing a litre or two of your favourite tipple!!

PotM, you are right about lack of options and possibilities lurk in the darkest of corners. I see you sidestepped my Mukhadram enquiry. Is he a little too far out of the box?

Intello to Cheveley Park for 2014 and 2015 before moving to Haras du Quesnay in 2016.

Posh Paddy, I thought they may have retired Fulbright last year and looked out for him. I thought he would suit me quite well. He hasn't had a great year but if you are right he might still be ok for me.

He is loaded with Northern Dancer, a bit like Captain Gerrard and you could get a speedy type from him (or a headbanger!!)

couldn't we ever Wilycayote.

Intello for £25k to Cheveley Park for 2014
seems expensive but if it was good enough for Makfi its probably a bargain

If I can cope with a son of Pivotal then I imagine I will be quite grateful if Dad's old hattedness helps keep Farhh's fee down a bit.
Wily, I. Suppose even the Irish boys aren't coming up with a deluge of new types this year and they certainly have a greater history than we do don't they.

(Apols for the split post!)

Can someone clever please put together a total list of new stallions for GB & Ireland. Every time I think of it I miss a few off!

would have forgotten Camelot myself. wonder if there will be any sneaky 2yo's retired (I'm not a big fan of that though).

Already mentioned on another thread is Lethal Force and I gather North Light is returning to the UK to stand at Lanwades alongside Lesroidesanimaux.

And of course there's Al Kazeem who goes to Sandringham.  And what do we make of Society Rock?

Am I wrong to consider North Light at £6k?

Could a nice strong colt by him have some appeal? He may not have as many yearlings as some of the more commercial types but at least he's proven. Proven sires do still have some appeal don't they?

Honcho, if you're breeding to race there's nothing wrong with North Light, I personally loved him as a racehorse.

Commercially however, he's going to be a disaster. OK, it was slightly odd that he went to stud in the States in the first place, I'm not sure they 'get' Danehills, particularly Derby-winning Danehills. There's no way he should be standing at £6,000, even at half that price he'd be expensive. Let's face it, he's a jumps sire waiting to happen. And in the sales ring, lifetime only 56% of his yearling progeny have sold for an average of just over £10,000. This is a stallion who got a Leger winner in his first crop - tantamount to commercial suicide. I don't want to encourage race-fixing, but Arctic Cosmos's jockey should have taken a dive at the furlong pole at Doncaster and jumped off, therefore expunging a Leger victory from North Light's stud record.

Beggar, Feck, Golly and Holy me.

17500 for Leroidesanimeaux.

I need a stiff drink after my Lanwades Letter. . .

Thank heavens, johnny.m. for your insight and intellect!

I can rest easy now that little currency oversight has been explained.

I thought for one minute that Leroi would just be covering the 5 mares this year and that all their initials would be Al

Cityscape to Overbury is another from the left field is he not.

I have just been on Overbury's website and watched the Delegator video again. I have my share of concerns over him, but it is a good vid and the fact is, he was a better bet last season than anything crawling out of the woodwork this. I'm just about to go and see my mare in foal to him and give her a carrot!

I am very happy to use Simon Sweeting for matters of geography if nothing else so I am reluctant to dismiss Cityscape in one fell swoop. If it was a normal '1st season' though, I would surely have swooped with a fell for him by now. I will see him and then study the facts though first.

Leroy does seem a lot, even for a novice like myself. He will be competing with some fairly decent stallions. I (probably wrongly) had him in the Peintre Celebre bracket (by the way at less than £10k I think he's good value if you have the right mare).

I have got down to Showcasing or Delegator for one of my mares. I'm glad you are happy with your cover PotM. I doubt there will be a usable 1st seasoner in my bracket.