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Looked the real deal yesterday. Assuming he carries on and cements himslef as a top notch 10f-12f horse, where is the logical place for him at stud?
A big slow maturing horse he may be, but obviously has serious talent.
A big slow maturing horse he may be, but obviously has serious talent.
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I'm going to be a bit glib here because I havn'nt done much research.
I am thinking Castle Hyde or Grange really. At the moment I think he is the least appealing type of backward horse you can frame. |
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With his owner. Chepstow based stud
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Christ, Dubawi - sire of sires, including: Makfi, Dubawi Gold and now Al Kazeem. What a legacy.
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Thought I'd update this post whilst my humble pie is gently cooking in the oven. Ok, that was a decent performance today, I thought the eventual runner-up was away and gone, so the winner did incredibly well to make up the ground that he did. Fair play to the owners, I wonder if Darley will make a bid for him?
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Johnny, I am not expecting you to eat humble pie, I think your opinion remains valid.
I think he is turning into Fantastic Light, but not as tough or sound. Still not convinced I'm afraid. |
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Despite today's performance, I don't see anything that would change your initial assessment. Added we now know he's had a history of pelvic problems. Maybe the Japanese will have a go as they have plenty of money and bought Workforce who would also have been viewed as a national hunt prospect if he'd have stood in the UK or Ireland.
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what about Gale Force 10. he could make a nice value sire (providing he doesn't go on and win a G1).
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I'd not knock a horse for a pelvic problem unless I knew it to be in some way congenital / OCD or like. If Dubawi Gold can fine a commercial home you'd think this lad could esp. as everyone says he's a looker.
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Well there you have it. The King George knocked on the head in favour of the Eclipse followed by the Irish Champion and the Arc.
Yawn. . . All these horses chasing the 10 furlong races to enhance their sire value, they can't all win them and I just wonder if they stuck at 12 furlongs and created a truly impressive race record, would it make so much difference? We breeders know their true aptitude, their owners know we know that, just who is trying to convince whom? |
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I think they are also taking a chance running him so quickly. I also think he could get a higher rating over 12f. I suppose there are commercial reasons (although as PotM has said you would think breeders and future buyers of his yearlings would have him summed up).
Who knows, one day it may be commercial to breed 12furlong horses. There are a small group in Ireland who thinks its possible. |
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Surely a horse that can win Group 1 races over 10 and 12 furlongs is a better choice than one that can only win them over one trip or another? Not that I see as much difference between distances as many horse breeders seem to do. As an athlete I ran my best comparitive times over 800 and 1500 metres but was reasonably competitive over any distance up to 10 miles. I didn't have the basic speed to go lower or the stamina to run a marathon. On that basis a good horse should span 8 to 16 furlongs with roughly equal ability. I know horses are not humans but a 20% difference in distance should not matter.
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Turning in to a serious horse. Unusually for me, I still cant picture him at stud anywhere in particular. My guess would be the Japanese will pay a fortune for him in a "Workforce" type of deal. Although there isnt a son of Dubawi in Ireland yet....?
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Well.
A surprise venue. But then again perhaps not. Bustino anyone? |
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him an interesting spot
wonder what price will he be competition for makfi at 25 K ?? my best guess is 20k -same as nathanial which is a high price in england for any off them as all unproven. |
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Oh dear. It looks like I am totally out fee wise again. It does seem that I need to get my own valuations more in line with his supreme Lordship and the likes.
Mind you, I always seem to be nearer the mark when the market test arrives than those that do the setting! I don' imagine he would be for me at any price but I thought a 10 or 12 k fee was the likelihood given his backward profile. I suppose mind that he who does the managing will schmooze his usual clients and convince them that the horse is the second coming and in all honestly a lot of those who are lacking in the chin department will not be convinced of his merits unless the fee affirms the bull they are being fed perhaps! |
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I am reliably informed that Al Kazeem was sold for £6,000,000 and my source is as always, impeccable. That makes him a £20,000 stallion in my opinion.
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£6m is 300 mares at £20k. He will probably get them but I wouldn't consider that a great investment. PotM's fee seems more realistic to me and if I was buying him that's how I'd price him to make a profit. But I don't suppose the Queen has the same business model as myself.
Still he is another option in England (for those who ban afford him) which has to be good. |
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Lordy me.
It never ceases to amaze me that someone will shell out that sort of money for a horse that others will find totally undesirable. There has to be a very limited number of studs that would want a sire like him because of the very limited number of mare owners who could afford to take a chance with him. Long and short of it is I suppose , as when we are panicking about our lesser lights at the sales, some kind soul always pipes up 'it only needs two bidders'. . . I'm thinking it was Japan versus 'His Grace'. |