twice over sold to south africa :-(

would'nt have thought he'd have been commercial over here

what sort of fee could he expect to get over there? surely he would have got at least one good book over here if he was priced right? at least over here they have the NH option if they dont make it.

By Observatory out of a Caerleon mare? Doesn't matter how good his race record was he would be an unmitigated commercial disater.

Mind you Johnny m, over the water we are expected to stomach an enormous great galloper by High Chapparal ex a Tights Mare

Goodness me PotM, I had to look Tights up (rather than looking up tights as Mrs Mustang might add)!

She's a game ole gal that Mrs Mustang. . .

Sadly the best place for him,could never be remotely commercial even if he stood for free.At the very best for him a NH sire over here or the UK.

Fantasticly tough and consistent racehorse but he suffers from having a sire, Observatory, who was also a good performer on track but very poor as a sire. He has size and scope though so if he is cheap, he would be worth sending a mare to.

If you do send one sageform,start now on negotiating your transport costs,I feel sure it would be far more than his fee,each to their own I guess!

As I no longer have any mares, I am talking hypothetically. If I had a mare in SA I would definitely be tempted.

Another interesting import to SA, Oratorio is also going to be there next year. I have a couple of mares out there, I would be interested to hear any views on the ideal kind of mare for either stallion.

intergoal, I never used Oratorio but he was a body type to suit mares at either end of the spectrum perhaps. I wouldn't worry about using him on mares sharp or stout as he got plenty of speedy types with the right mares. He wasn't a disaster up here and I think he is a nice prospect for you guys.

I'd send Twice Over a fast mare at your peril. He was a great big rangy staying type who came to hand earlier than you would expect so it might be worth trying to sharpen him up a little bit but he is too typey to try and make too many changes I think. If he gets the right mares he has lots to recommend him but he just couldn't be expected to fit our market up here.

...A Freeman Stallions release said: "Imagine that you are Khalid Abdullah; a passionate racing man and the world's most successful owner-breeder.

"You are blessed with three champion racehorses in the same year including the world's best horse, Frankel. You already own two of Europe's best stallions (Dansili and Oasis Dream - arguably one of the best stallions in the world) and you have the honour of retiring the world's best racehorse ever to stud next year. A truly remarkable achievement.

"Faced with this surfeit of success what do you do with Frankel's work-companion and champion stable-mate Twice Over, 'the horse that tested Frankel everyday'?

"So we are delighted that Prince Khalid has allowed us participate in his good fortune."


Does this guy know he's got Twice Over and not Bullet Train ?
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A bit of artistic license I suppose, these new stallions are seldom undersold. I have two mares in SA, neither would suit Twice Over but I might be in the market for another mare early next year and if the fee is reasonable he could be worth a punt. The Cape Town version of the Breeze Up sale is in a couple of weeks, some interesting lots, including some by familiar names. One that catches my eye is Antonius Pius, I know he has had runners in Europe and Australia, nothing extraordinary so far, I just wonder if anyone has experience with him.