Darley hike fees

The fees were even worse for the USA.

You get the feeling unless they are offering heavily discounted deals for early bookings that a new business model approach may be being implemented.

Cashflow break even though I wold not put to much credance on the asumptions.

I commented on what I thought was excessive fees on here last year and this again is very strange hikes. Dubawi, Shamardal,Street Cry and Medaglia d'Oro are gone awol especially the last two who are currently ranked 30th and 33rd in the leading sires in the US at the moment.

Not exactly a small breeder friendly roster for sure.  GL if you are one of the nearly 1000 mares going to be covered by 30k+ Darley stallions.    Are there actually 1000 +30k yearlings sold in a year?   Don't see much value in the new boys - Sepoy prob fair, Helmet is a 6-8k horse all day.  Casamento is at least realistic.   I'm not rushing to the phone but they're probably full up already with Rabbah mares

I enquired into E and E a few weeks ago to be told he was due to increase. The distinct impression I got was that there was some disagreement as to by how much - they were able to reveal several other fees at that point - and I figured that the team perhaps were batting for a more modest increase.

Frankly I think all the above increases are out of line and I can't even be bothered to figure out which pisses me off most. Increases of £27500, £12500, £10000, & 7500 are frankly rarely justified and to infer that all of a sudden their stallions are flying all at once is a little foolhardy.

I've given up getting angry about rises PotM - let them get on with it.  I must have missed the majority of amazing E&Es, Raven Passes and Teofilos burning it up this year.   I was waiting with amusement what Cheveley Park would do with Dutch Art - now they can justify him at 20k no bother.

These are stallions that I couldn't afford anyway but I think these hikes are deliberately set high. The likes of NA and T are Galileo stallions that they will want to use extensively on their mares.

It could also be that their ego is out of control convoncing themselves their stock is far better than it is. I know they are a global operation but they are not doing well enough here for the vast resources they have.

yer ma, all of their above horses are are out of range for me and frankly I think that only e&e is a safe bet as he is established and he does what he does consistently. I would like to use a horse that gets a ton of listed 2yo winners any time you like, but to pay 35k for the privelege. . . The rest I would be scared of at any price before a bit more water is under the bridge so as you suggest, I'm rising above it. I am not too offended by their 1st seasoners and Sepoy has been high up my list since he was announced.

What happened to King's Best, by the way? He was standing at 12K this year, has been a decent sire in France for a while too. I see Manduro (who I still think could be a decent sire) is on his way there.

Coolmore's Ashford fees look much more sensible than compared with Jonabell. If the same applies ine Europe they will be very busy men, especially as there new sires hold more appeal on paper.

If Power can be set for under 10k he would be of great interest. Sire the height of fashion dam closely related to Footsstepsinthesand and many of those have a good turn of foot. They might be able to run a bit.

This is how the Darley sires performed at the yearling sales this year:
New Approach - 60 offered, 54 sold, £111,921 average, £76,698 median
Exceed & Excel - 53, 50, £59,689, £50,000
Teofilo - 79, 70, £71,617, £43,651
Raven's Pass - 14, 12, £158,520, £105,000
Dubawi - 65, 61, £115,968. £75,000
Shamardal - 71,60, £80,037, £57,540

The one who really stands out for me is Raven's Pass. How did so few make it to auction, he doesn't strike me as an owner/breeder type of horse?

It strikes me that the yearling sales driven by dubai's ruling family, associates and to a lesser extent the coolmore mafia, have no relation to any financial constraint, they are primarily a smoke and mirrors exercise facilitated by the sales company's, its a dangerous game to play for people without the odd oil well in their back garden, the highs can be big but the lows are savage and its getting very expensive to put them into training if it did not go well in the ring

Only just over 30 foals JohnnyM for Ravens Pass that year. He is a crock isn't he and that was his major problem year and he covers restricted books now. I suppose that by the time Maktoum and Rabbah interests have been taken care of perhaps those who can get one will be happy to sky high it.

I think johnnyR that Darley are taking into account the big time Rabbah investments at this years sales and how they reckon that that offers an underpinning that is absent from the other players mid divisional produce.
Dangerous and Savage though are perfectly appropriate adjectives for the game though - no arguement from me there!

Cheers PotM. Those figures for Raven's Pass clearly demonstrate the laws of supply and demand.

Only in Dubaian JM only Dubaian!!

are we expecting Rabbah to be purchasing more than normal PotM?

I don't know Rabbah from my elbow truehonch, but they seemed to be busy enough this year again and I do think they offer a carrion collection to a certain extent for Darley lesser lights which is unmatched elsewhere.

Im I missing something with Dubawi


Dubawi £100,000 from    £75,000

New Approach £80,000 from    £50,000

Exceed And Excel    £35,000 unchanged

Farhh £17,500 (first season)

Sepoy £15,000 unchanged

Poet's Voice £12,000 unchanged

Helmet £8,000 from    €10,000

Kheleyf £5,000 from    £6,000



Kildangan Stud:

Shamardal €50,000 unchanged

Teofilo €50,000 from    €35,000

Dawn Approach €35,000 (first season)

Cape Cross €30,000 from €35,000

Raven's Pass €25,000 from    €30,000

Iffraaj €25,000 from    €10,000

Reckless Abandon €10,000 (first season)

Casamento €5,000 unchanged

Vale Of York €3,000 unchanged



Haras du Logis:

Authorized €10,000 from    £7,000

Manduro €7,000 from    €10,000

Slickly €7,000 unchanged

Rio De La Plata €7,000 unchanged

Alexandros €3,000 unchanged

Creachadoir €3,000 unchanged

La La land.  Untouchable but they dont need commercial breeders when there's a few thousand arab owned mares virtually tied in.

With Dubawi and New Approach they seem to think that huge median numbers from selling a couple of dozen horses equates to a logical ROI fee hike.  What about the other 100+ yearlings that didnt go thru the ring? 

Probably the most laughable one is Iffraaj up to 25k.  Good luck making money there in 2 years time

They'll all get full books so me/us whinging is irrelevant.

As already stated they don't need anyone's business, so their pricing is more of a statement than a business decision.

I'm disappointed they can't find a cheap and cheerful one for Dalham Hall besides Kheleyf

100k for dubawi and 80k for new approach.............absolute joke. at least when coolmore rise one up it is justified.

Are a lot of these fees just for show? An opening bid if you like. If you had the right mare (and were not connected with Coolmore or Qatar) would Darley fit you in for a meet with Dubawi for £60k? off the record of course.

If anyone ever wondered why we chase the young and unproven year after year then this is a pretty good affirmation of that policy.

Dawn Approach and Reckless Abandon are the safest bet there.

The expensive lot are beyond caring about frankly.

All too true PotM.  I had discounted all but Reckless Ab already.  I suppose Helmet at 8k would work if they look nice. Swiss Franc will have to be considered but he's a 5k job surely.

I've not been at this all that long but it seems options diminish rather than increase almost every year recently. I'm again trying to convince myself why Champs El would be a bad idea...can you imagine what Dubawi's full brother would stand at?  Dansili blew up in year 5/6.

I think the fact Dubawi offspring have the most graded stakes wins worldwide might have something to do with his fee.

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I think the fact Dubawi offspring have the most graded stakes wins worldwide might have something to do with his fee.

Curious about this statement, do you mean this year, lifetime or the "9% Stakes winners and Group winners to runners" in his sale pitch by Darley.

Correct me if Im wrong but lifetime individual Galileo is at 80 and Dubawi is at 32 so Dubawis stakes winners would want to be knocking in multiple stakes victories and Galileos would want to be only picking off ones and twos for those figures to be turned around imo but im interested if that is the case.
Individual for 2013 is Galileo 19 Dubawi 15 so thats a lot more realistic

This year.

Its a Joke. Its all a joke.

Iffraaj and E&E advertising their value last night. Darley's fee's are high but they have certainly improved their roster over the last 3 or 4 years.

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This year.

You have the figures for this year Eont wouldnt mind seeing where OD and Dansili are on it.

Anyone know where Halling is/will be?

http://www.thoroughbredinternet.com/statistics.html?Year=2013&Relation=Sire&SireName=&Position=Winners&Status=Group&Surface=Any&Country=%25&MinDist=0&MaxDist=0&Jumps=No&Agree=yes&Submit=Get+statistics

You can play around with them here

proxy- Halling is almost certain to be retired, he looked very old the last time I saw him earlier this year

Thanks, the shortlist shrinks further

I'm glad Halling is not an option for you Proxy!!

I worry about you focussing on the 'best thing' for your mares at the expense of what the market will bail you out of.

Make sure you excersise the great art of compromise between the two as even the best laid matings are mostly duff and I want you to be able to twiddle and fiddle for a long time to come!

You need to increase your pension fund, not jeopardise it's very existence!

My god what a load of patronising old twaddle that was proxy.

Please feel to bin as you think fit!

Thats ok it was just that smack of desperation and the relief that its not an option anymore.

If I went for the chesnutly inevitable, Helmet was the preferred option anyway, (everything else Darley over budget except Kheleyf)

Its getting even tougher!

Makfi (25,000) & Sixites Icon (8,500) stay unchanged!

I thought they were both bound to come down a bit after the sales. I was even thinking that SixIcon might be an interesting punt at around 4k, but not now.

options in my bracket are vanishing...off to get the violin out if anyone cares....

Invincible Spirit's gone up.

JohnnyM. I think itS good of you to post when you and your ex mistress are so busy in London right now.

I'm glad to have finally worked out who you are, but it became obvious in the end as you are ahead of the world in yet another scoop.

Though with your court case ongoing Andy, should you not give some thought to knocking the mobile scam on the head?

Very kind of you to think of me that way PotM, but that's not me......never really fancied redheads.

Dansili £95K