notnowcato

Yes, as I understand it they are.  As an example Bushranger & Myboycharlie.  Both by Danetime, both decent two year olds, both won the Prix Morny.  One liked fast going the other soft going.  Bushranger cover over 170 mares in his first season. Myboycharlie is now in France after just 2 season in the UK. 

It will be interesting to see which of these two will get the better runners next year but currently it's all about Bushranger.

It is odd though that fast ground is never allowed to happen these days.

Yes, but I think it is overplayed in some quarters. Sadlers anyone?

I think that with Myboycharlie v Bushranger the question of stud venue and conformation faults splits them against Myboycharlie so as ever you have to balance how much soft ground 'popularity' is an element.

I think that I ( and maybe very occasionally we ) on here can be a little too pedantic at times and I certainly wouldn't write off a soft ground performer with no other faults. Fact is, a good horse will have form on faster ground too and if he is proven with a ton of high class winners - Pivotal, Selkirk and Danehill Dancer are all sires whose stock can need soft - then you have to take notice. If a proven sire gets to the end of the season with a good year of results then the fact that they might have been soft ground doesn't get them removed from the record or cancel them in the mind of investors.

With an unproven sire - well in my opinion it will come down to what it always come down to, what those 1st foals and then yearlings look like when they emerge from their boxes in Yorkshire, Kildare and Suffolk.

So a disadvantage? Potentially, yes. But definitely? No.

Heavy ground form only? Be very very careful!

miss cato wins tonight

Miss cato had good season, good horse notnowcato, underrated stallion.

Last shadow (notnowcato sire) sold for £210 thousand
Running today, wonder if that will win today.