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I have always had these two in the same bracket, solid stallions that can get a good one but not very commercial. With their price reductions they are entering the value market and there are not many with such good records at these prices. Could they be commercial now?
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I remember seeing Zamindar out of training - and I've never got over it! Two front legs from the same hole I hated it.
Perhaps I was wrong, he's obviously got some good sales results over the years but I've just never followed him. However, I used Medicean many years ago and had a great result. Funny how these things colour your truly 'objective' judgement  |
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Of these two I'd go for Zamindar,and hope to get a filly with the right page you should have a ready made class broodmare prospect that will be easy to mate with either Danehill or Green Desert sires.Zafonic is proving to be a good BM sire his baby brother should do just as well.
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Makes a change planning a mating hoping for a filly! And ofcourse that'll be the colt
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Don't know how many Zamindar progeny are in training in UK, but he does not get many winners. Medicean is doing much better in that regard.
Zamindar 2010 9 UK wins, 2011 to date 16. Medicean 2010 85 UK wins, 2011 to date 58. |
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PD i am of the same opinion, but do you think they could produce commercial yearlings. I really like either of them as broodmare sires (Ihave a Medicean. Mediceans i have seen tend to be on the big and strong side and sons of green desert and oasis dream might be really good for them.
it just occurs to me that they have both bred high class stock and over sharpish trips. also M should benifit from dutch art's performance. Would you rather one of these or **** Turpin, paco boy etc? |
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Sageforms stats once again giving a very interesting angle.
I know plenty of Zamindars end up in france, but really those figures Sageform has given are truly dreadful. His AEI is pretty abysmal too. Medicean has a terrific record with Green Desert and Danehill so I think I would still be keener on him. I'd love to breed a Zarkava or Darjina, but I really think Juddmonte or Aga Khans studs are best placed to do that and I'll leave it to their resources! |
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truehoncho,Of the two I'd say Medicean would be the best bet commercially,but as we both agree mares by either would be ready made for Danzig line stallions.And again I do agree any success Dutch Art has can only help M it certainly wont do him any harm.
As I said above for me Zamindar would be my choice because he's imo the one with the most class,I'm not interested in D I C K Turpin I'm a bit surprised the English national stud want him I had him down for a job over in Italy I also think he's expensive,4/5k max would be about right.As for Paco Boy I always liked him as a runner he's the sort we should want I suppose tough sound and very genuine,but with his page I doubt he will be any great success,and are his connections the best placed to give him the most commercial appeal? I don't and cant really see Zamindar ever being commercial but as his large crop conceived after the mighty Zarkava are running next year he's I'd hope going to get some classy quality sorts.Medicean will I think always have appeal at the sales but where are the good ones from his 30k years?He gets good sorts but then so does Compton Place,Royal Applause and the other Cheveley sire Kyllachy but at 8k to me that shows his connections perhaps can see the writing on the wall. Oh yes I have answered you because you asked me the question but although I have put on one or two post's for now I'm going to keep a low profile,I may post at times but only about current topics the old saying 'to much information'has been ringing in my ears!  And I must concede I was wrong about Kheleyf he's very popular,I did sell a yearling by him this year it did very well I may have to eat my hat there and more than likely will send him another mare next year 4k very good value what with having a mare in-foal to him and another to Mon Bond you must be laughing all the way to the bank!Good luck. |
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PD
thanks for responding, i will not direct posts to you personally in future, although i would obviously value any comment you make. I will laugh if and when I get there!! |
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I am not sure if Prima Donnas definitive Kheleyf opinions might be quite so cut and dried.
I still have doubts but I think after next years more expensively produced 2yos it might be a good time to have one for sale. Sadly I've missed that boat but the progeny of those better mares certainly wangled the horse back into commercial favour at this years sales. I never cease to be amazed by the inconsistencies in this game though. As said above, why should 30k mares help Medicean get so many winners but do nothing for the overall quality? Surely the other way round would have been more likely? |
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hi PotM
if he has a good year next year (K that is), i will certainly be selling as a foal and not relying on them training on. interesting point on M, i never picked that up. TBH i hadn't realised he had stood for such a high fee. the fact that they have reduced him so quickly probably means that they (or anyone else) dont see much in the 2 crops he produced at that fee. Also less winners this year than last wont help the cause. |
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truehoncho, that would be my counsel with Kheleyf - wise or otherwise!
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Nearly sent one to Medicean a couple of years ago lucky we didnt because looking back his fee was high, they dont train on as good as i'd like but i would prefer him to Zamindar if i was selling although as PD has said a Zamindar wont be a bad broodmare sire
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potm, thanks for your comment on my stats. I would be very careful about attributing anything to AK sires on the basis of his own horses as the dams and the choice of sire seem to be the most significant factor in his success. History is littered with sires whose only Group success has been when mated to AK mares. What happened to Doyoun, Daylami, Kalanisi, Sendawar, Sinndar, Dalakhani? All started with a fanfare but have very little success except when used on AK mares.
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