Canford Cliffs-a panic buy from coolmore?

You never know,but his pedigree is an odd one for them,and hardly distinguished for anybody. BUT he is a better racehorse than quite a few on their roster.

Gallileo can get a fast one I hear[;)]

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Why would he not make a great Stallion.

He is a incredible good 2yr old that progressed as a good 4yr old. He has speed in abundance and is a good solid looking horse.

If priced correctly their will be loads of interest in him.

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TAGULA

^^^ Exactly!

Sorry i should have not said Great Stallion...an average stallion[;)]

5 group 1s in a row , shrewd investment, more than likely.

Cant see Canford Cliffs standing for more than 15k,as a son of Tagula how can he be more?

A very handsome horse to my eye though, maybe the lads just liked him and decided to give an ear to their gut, it isn't an exact science I suppose.

He doesn't need to be a great sire...........just a popular one. A money spinner for a few years then goodbye!

You sure your not looking at the NH rooster I see plenty of "speed" myself

Injured following Goodwood,been retired.

http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse-racing/star-miler-canford-cliffs-retired-to-stud/894753/

I say he pulled a few muscles and thus running away from pain and hanging at Goodwood. Would need a good break of near 2 months and that prob is 2 late.

Very good career and hopefully his has a decent career at stud.

Oh wait its a knee injury

Its right there in second paragraph - pastern.  bit further south.  Caught a bit of what Makfi got I'd say.

Well well........I wonder if the Coolmore PR department have been working overtime on coming up with a feesable excuss for retirement,could it be the case that they know full well from what we have all seen good as CC is he is no match for Frankle.Getting Hannon's star miler stuffed again will do nothing to enhance his next job.Reading the press report sounds to me as though it was written by the same man that does Aiden's,and has Richard Hughes forgotten he rode Oasis Dream.......now he reckons CC is the fastest horse he has ever ridden.Just thinking back I remember Richard Hannon saying the next day "the horse is fine he's come out of the race sound and scoped clean this morning we are at a loss"...........imo the plain fact is he was well beaten and they were surprised just how easily.Hence this story today.

We have to give them the benefit of the doubt. If vets have found something on a scan, it would explain the hanging but I don't think it explains why he couldn't match Frankel for pace form 4 furlongs out. I think it is quite possible that the horse shows his "distress" at not being able to win by hanging as he did at Newbury last year. Horses do know when they are beaten and show a variety of reaction, tail swishing, ears back etc.

I wont say that he's as good as Frankel cause he's not, he is very close though to Frankel and thats why i like him. I wont be able to afford Frankel at stud but i will be able to use Canford Cliffs and i will use him next year for sure. He will be commercial and there will be plenty of buyers for ones out of him. I think he will be a nice addition to Coolmore not sure he'll be a huge success but there will be money to be made using him in his first year at stud.

I dont buy into the injury either

You guys are incredibly Cynical,a Horse only hangs when he/she is feeling something or something is hurting them,although im sure you's would probably have us believe that coolmore told richard hughes, "if he's beaten make it look like he's hanging,at least we will have an excuse then"

pity he is retired so early in the season -brilliant horse- wish he had another shot at frankel ,but i do think he would have got an even bigger beating so they where lucky hes injured.he should be very popular at stud first season at least, as he s one good looking horse.stud fee 15K euro ?

Well imo the fact CC hung so much last time and the same thing at Newbury is nothing more than he was flat to the boards and can give no more,don't remember any talk of injury after Newbury,and agree with sammy next time even more of a beating.His new connections think its highly likely too.His new connections are masters with PR and marketing new stallions!

Smashing race horse anyone knocking what he did on the racecourse and that he ran up to his best lto is deluded. There was decent races left for him without taking on Frankel aswell

15k euros is my prediction too

Canford Cliffs did exactly the same in The Greenham. Very good racehorse but not a superstar and the pedigree really isn`t great. But Coolmore will no doubt market him successfully and at least it makes a change from all the Northern Dancer line ones.

Not fooling anyone with this retirement. They're hoping Goldikova will advertise the Queen Anne form and he will be champion older miler. But he's not in Frankel's class and if they raced again there would be an even bigger drubbing - especially as they now know they can settle Frankel. CC brilliant miler at the HenrytheNavigator sort of level. But Frankel is something else - Newmarket and Goodwood the best mile performances since Zafonic's Guineas IMO.

I get a sense of typical Coolmore on this thread.

Its Coolmore horse, they paid their money for their share in him. Left him with Hannon and won 2Group 1's this year and beaten by a freak. He was obviously not 100% and any one with a half decent brain would retire him straight away. Right Decision for Coolmore , Right Decision more importantly for the horse.

God luck to him in the future and I hope this Coolmore outcross investment turns out to be a successful one.

Coolmore know they have to start diversifying.

They started some time ago, the Phoenix entries on Sunday show that.

Why would Coolmore give two Fcuks if CC were to be Constantly Stuffed by Frankel.Do you Cynics not realise Who sired Frankel?it's a win win situation for Ballydoyle,They know have a Freak sired by a Freak,

OnTheSnaff,
If we really are all cynics with the opinions above as to CC's retirement,reading your post I'd say you are deluded with yours!

Galileo needs no adverstising - breeding experts here might put me right but as I understand it Coolmore basically choose what mares go to him.

I am not sure what Coolmore have paid for Canford Cliffs.

If they paid £399.99 I suspect they are quite happy right now. If on the other hand they paid £50 million then they've got a way to go.

I really have no idea how he is going to go down in Australia and that ofcourse will affect the bottom line quite significantly and knock on obviously to what they need to recoup up here.

He appears to be very smart looking and he lacks nothing in commercial aptitude so there's nothing not to like commercially in the early days. Long term, that page? Tagula?

He deserves great support though whatever. We are all trying to breed exactly his like!

prima donna go back to Chit Chat with the other Morons,you fit in well there

I think I read somewhere that they paid £4 million for a 50% share.  Looks a little hefty but if you take their share of the prize money and then take into account he will cover large books in both Hemispheres they'll break even in about 4 years.  After that if he's a success they are quids in, if he's not they won't have lost anything.

OntheSnaff,
Yes I have some friends over on Chit Chat that's true,and sure a few could perhaps be described as 'morons'but all I'm going to say is you don't get to where I am in life by being a moron but seemingly I have spent time replying to one on this forum..........I'm sure even you can work out who that person is with your brainless reply above!

OntheSnaff,

This is the one sensible forum that Betfair has due mainly to the input from contributors such as Prima Donna,PotM,RVW,Sageform,Equimine and many others. I have several horses in training but know very little about the breeding side but due mainly to the aforementioned I enjoy there thoughts and aspirations for the future.So please refrain from the trash talk my friend and enjoy sane comments like everyone else.

Not that I'm a great judge or anything, but he looks a real handsome horse to me and that gives him a chance by what most say on here. Frankel is some horse, but I'd have Canford down as the much better looker, just a guess, but I've a feeling Frankel might get stuffy, gross type of horse that take a while to get fit, someone described him as a bullock, a bit unfair I'd say, but I'd say his will take plenty of racing. I'm amazed by his stride because to my eye, he wouldn't look one with huge scope.

Thank heavens. An articulate, erudite and intelligent summing up of Prima Donna on this site by OnTheSnaff.

I also had a look on 'ChitChat' which I was unaware of on here, but forgive me if I don't return O T S as I think your posts on there are well beyond my intellectual capacity.

Still I've enjoyed very much the photos of Footballing types on your profile, you really appear to be a chap of great depth.

Prima, we'll just struggle on as best we can with the other guys on here. I'll catch up with you next week when you're 'signing on' and I'm on the way to the Bingo [;)]

Sadly it was moi who described Frankel as a bullock, sorry if that sounded harsh but I was only trying to describe how I saw him, I managed to get within about 2 meters of him and that was how I would best describe him, in layman's terms (the only terms I know being new to the breeding game).  He certainly had a real swagger to him like a heavyweight boxer limbering up for a fight.  Going one step further on the boxing analogy, Canford Cliffs would be Ali, Frankel would be Tyson.

Two little ducks it is then Pot M and yeah sure you can bet your life I will be claiming the panel sometime soon.Not seen you on here for a few days been away?France in the end?

France would have been nice Prima, but Co. Donegal got the nod with family links to discover and Irish small village culture, history and beautiful beaches to enjoy. But some sunshine wouldn't have gone amiss!
And whilst I'm ranting, I'm not sure I can recommend that Rope Bridge near the Giants Causeway - you know you're in trouble when after making it across a german tourist asks you if you need a doctor

P P and Neil d that boxer analogy isn't putting me off Frankel I'm afraid, I'll chance getting my ear bitten off in the covering shed. Now let me check under the mattress for that 200 quid to make up the stud fee . . .

I was thinking the same Posh Paddy tbh, that's a good analogy, I'm actually going to try and get a look at the Coolmore stallions at some point in the near future, I presume they do tours and things.

Before we dismiss CC because he is by Tagula, there is plenty of evidence that a sire line can come from fairly modest beginnings. I don't suppose that many people gave Royal Applause much chance as his sire Waajib did very little. Not only has RA prospered, but his son, Acclamation is doing even better. Tagula has sired 50 or more winners in GB on several occasions so hardly a failure.

Good point Sageform - are you on the payroll at Coolmore? Every other b()gger seems to be

Royal Applause was exeptionally popular with mare owners from the start and although his dam proved to be special, you couldn't really call the family exceptional.

Springing to mind also, Polar Falcon useful sire though he was, couldn't really have been 'expected' to get a leading sire either.

I think because of his good looks and physical compatibility with the plainer Danehill types I think C C is going to be very popular. There are plenty of Sadlers/Danzig cross mares floating about already so where else can they go that's hot and fresh? I can see his fee being nearer 20k than 10.

I am not on anybody's payroll but if they want to pay me for giving an honest opinion, I won't refuse them.

Thing is mind sageform,is anyone on the 'payroll' from that outfit really honest in their appraisal of their horses? After-all they are about the best with their marketing!CC reminds me of Wollow who was a great miler of the mid 70's in the long term I'd say CC will be as successful as he was...........He was so good he ended up in Japan.

Well Sageform as Prima Donna says, honesty won't get you far in that organisation perhaps!

Prima, how am I going to keep you away from claiming that panel? - you're not helping yourself you know, Shanahan won't be dishing out your brown envelope with comments like that

Shanahan won't be dishing out your brown envelope with comments like that

Oh Pot M, I think nice as those envelopes might be I really don't need them[;)]Now where is the form for me to fill in to claim the panel,I need that..................like a hole in the head!!!

I was expressing a view of the sire not its owners. I could not care less who owns or stands them, I don't breed horse any longer. I enjoy pedigree analysis and have been a student for 50 years.

Tagula has a fair number of winners because he has largely been used for cheap speed. Canford Cliffs is by some way his best progeny. Royal Applause is from the Northern Dancer line as therefore is Acclamation. Tagula isn`t.