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Journeyman
06 Sep 10 18:29
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Okay so probably the sensible bet is Seanvice's backing her for top female at 7/2.
I'm all over that, but at the same time she's a credible threat to Dowling outright for a number of reasons.
I was never a fan but I can appreciate she brought more 'value' to the series than any other of the available contenders. I've also now heard five different random people (including a roulette presenter) say they assume Brian will win but really think Nikki deserves it.

Ultimately though, the public have shown in the past (Max vs Science etc) that they can do the right thing, and I think they'll just decide she NEEDS/deserves it more.

So balls to the wall 2 points on a 12.5 outright win and a 1 point saver on top Female. Gl all. Happy
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Report Floccinaucinihilipilification September 6, 2010 6:47 PM BST
Dowling & Houghton have dominated the polls since Gibson walked

However, a key factor for me is that the 'Vote to Win' will be open for less than 48 hours

Could get a 'surprise' result if the wed/thurs/fri HL's count against the two favourites
Report leveller September 6, 2010 7:34 PM BST
I dont see her having any real fanbase outside of the hardcore on DS. She doesnt poll well does she?
Vintage housemates can only really hope to secure the loyalty votes of the fans of the past and are fighting for the same small pool of votes. Brian wins that imo.

Chantelle has more appeal to the FB/Twitter voters, whilst nikki really does get on casual viewers nerves.
She can do no more to win except up her game, which ultimately means she has to behave more brattish and extremely annoying. Not a vote winner in my eyes.
Report A1 Bionic September 6, 2010 7:34 PM BST
Many polls have Nikki in second place now, including the Tibb poll

The Hls are a lot kinder to her this time round, and dowling just seems to be getting a bit stale imo

I liked him the first time and the first week of this UBB, but where being a little camp might have been funny 8 years ago, it just seems a little boring now.

Nikki has definately grown up a lot since her BB and the tantrums are a lot less frequent but still entertaining.

Chantelle seems a nice enough girl, but shallow and pretty pointless really
Report GeorgeBrush September 6, 2010 7:41 PM BST
I'll side with leveller. Nikki is too much of an acquired taste to appeal to casuals

Brian walks this I suspect. Ulrika will again poll better than expected Plain
Report leveller September 6, 2010 7:44 PM BST
GB, I have no idea who votes for ulrika? Do you? Grin I suspect its the same person who can afford to fly a plane over the house with a banner.  I never understood how she won it, and I see no charm in the woman at all... Sad
Report GeorgeBrush September 6, 2010 7:45 PM BST
Nope, and neither did I understand last time. My largest BB loss
Report PAKEY September 6, 2010 7:47 PM BST
It's meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Report GeorgeBrush September 6, 2010 7:48 PM BST
Laugh koont
Report GeorgeBrush September 6, 2010 7:50 PM BST
Dig out the opening night thread of thats series and you'll find me tipping her Laugh

Before I decided she was a sag tit whinge hag
Report attitude adjuster September 6, 2010 7:50 PM BST
It woz a right "fit up " imvho [>o]
Report GeorgeBrush September 6, 2010 7:52 PM BST
It's the only time I though a result was suspect AA. But admittedly the line up was very weak. Coolio and TC runners up ffs
Report PAKEY September 6, 2010 7:55 PM BST
When everybody realises they are being force fed the Big Brian show, her price may look large yet again.

Now, where did I put me keys for the plane?
Report Larry Sellers September 6, 2010 7:56 PM BST
ZERO
Report Larry Sellers September 6, 2010 7:57 PM BST
*sorry, wrong thread! Grin
Report GeorgeBrush September 6, 2010 7:58 PM BST
I'll laugh along with you Pakes. Amongst the all bar Brian, the Rika looks as likely as any to me
Report PAKEY September 6, 2010 8:00 PM BST
Surely better than the loathesome Nikki?

Cue vitriolic attack Happy
Report attitude adjuster September 6, 2010 8:08 PM BST
pakey,Nikki is at least worth having an opinion about.

what would motivate anyone to vote for chantelle or ulrika this time around?

your irritation with nikki is the clue [;)]


and Brians done enough to get a big nostalgia/thanks for the memories vote Love
Report Journeyman September 6, 2010 8:36 PM BST
Looking at the list I can't picture any of the rest(including Chantelle) going head to head with Brian at the death. Vic always had a theoretical support that never properly got put to the test plus he's not getting the edit, Chantelle won really as a cypher on the anti-celeb ticket against some fairly contraversial 'stars', Bateman is probably a bit before the average voter's time etc.

It's interesting some have brought up Ulrika here as she's the only one I'm at all nervous about, precisely because she's a 'black box' housemate - her support is beyond understanding and thus utterly unpredictable (yet has proven capable of fiscal devastation in the past!)
Report PAKEY September 6, 2010 8:45 PM BST
It's definitely Brian's to lose, the only possible danger would be overkill in the edit team's endeavours to make every show revolve around Brian and his opinion. However, that strategy did not stop Chantelle, Brian Belo or Pete from winning.

At least Ulrikakakaka has the underdog tag now, my favourite position for a selection.
[:p]
I said underdog aa, not doggy style
Report Helmuthian Folds September 6, 2010 8:56 PM BST
Nikki has no chance as she is just plain annoying and picks up very little of the casual vote.

Nadia and makosi were kicked out mainly for picking on Ulrika, you lot may 'not get it' but Ulrika has a fair bit of support from the casual viewer.

But Brian obviously was always the winner once Josie went and would have almost certainly won if she had stayed.  You may all be Brian layers and trying to talk down his chances but quite simply he is the best Big Brother contestant there has been and he will thoroughly deserve his comfortable victory.
Report Cider September 6, 2010 9:04 PM BST
Yep there's no reason to look beyond the obvious on this occaision imo.

Brian features on the edit because he does stuff which is strong enough to make it. There's plenty left on the cutting room floor too.

Victor is a strong housmate but he will never appeal to the wider bb audience in the way that a Brian does. The rest of them are close to hopeless. Granted Chantelle is very sweet but she has the depth of a paddling pool.
Report Prosperity September 6, 2010 9:23 PM BST
The Endemol Propaganda Show - BBLB - has been pushing Nikki to win a lot recently. She has been featured more in the highlights recently even when the only footage they have to show of her is banal. Plus casting Vanessa Feltz is a boost to Nikki as they form a strange type of double act, Feltz complements Nikki in the same way Sam's presence was a boost to Josie.
Report GeorgeBrush September 6, 2010 9:25 PM BST
We seem to get it to the extent that everyone on this thread is tipping her HF [;)]
Report deejayric September 6, 2010 9:51 PM BST
I'm on Nikki. She's arguably the only one to have positively  changed since the first time round, and she's still funny / annoying / a central character and classic HM.

Top female a stonking bet imo, I reckon Chantelle finishes 4th behind Vic.
Report seanvice September 6, 2010 10:23 PM BST
deej, exactly my thoughts since Friday. The cheers for Nikki on Friday, the BBLB push. The odd mild tantrum combined with some stupid/sweet/funny comments should see her home for top female.

Think Brian will win but no way should Chantelle be 2nd fav imo

2/1+ for Nikki top female should still be snapped up, especially as shes avoided being up (got a bit luckey as I think she would have gone in a double if it was her plus the 3).
Report leveller September 7, 2010 12:52 AM BST
The propaganda is to stop her from being booed on exit, they owe her that, but thats all it is.
Brian is the ultimate BB winner.
Report Journeyman September 7, 2010 1:56 AM BST
She was booed on exit the second time mostly because of the general ill feeling toward the rules being fiddled to put an evicted housemate back in.

Flocc's point about the 48 hour window is key. The production push for Nikki suggests the key edits should at the least be 'not adverse' and the timeframe available will also focus the minds of the voters to sit down and actively decide who deserves it. And whether they actually like her or not, I still think the reliably fair GBP will feel Nikki deserves it.

I also think it's helpful that her rants etc have come across as authentically her. There was an issue after she was put back in in BB7 where she seemed to be playing up to the charicature she'd read about in the press, with disastrous results. This time she's coming across as a slightly matured version of the original (and massively popular) unique quirky character.

Brian is the justified favourite, but I genuinely believe Nikki will end up beating him.
Report Angela Rebecchi September 7, 2010 2:17 AM BST
You're intimating that you think she is an odds on shot, yet someone else is willing to lay her here for £1k at 11.0.

If you actually meant what you posted then that money wouldn't be sitting there which makes your post a bit fraudulent imho.
Report charliebigpotatoes September 7, 2010 10:36 AM BST
Given the show have been promoting Nikki for the last 2 weeks - tasks/edits etc - shouldn't she already be more popular if she's going to win?

There are only 3 highight shows left before the Friday freeze - what else can they do?
Report five leaves left September 7, 2010 4:07 PM BST
Top female for me.

She's neck and neck with Chantelle on TIBB and not too far behind her on BBonline.

When it comes to actually voting for the ultimateBB winner I reckon people will pick Nikki over the nice enough, but rather dull Chantelle.
Chantelle ultimate BB winner just doesn't look right.
Report A1 Bionic September 7, 2010 4:11 PM BST
Mr AWOL is back Laugh
Report five leaves left September 7, 2010 4:23 PM BST
I've been recharging my batteries Cool
Report A1 Bionic September 7, 2010 4:26 PM BST
I agree about top female fll, just a little concerned with the surv poll Confused
Report five leaves left September 7, 2010 4:31 PM BST
We shall see how their next poll looks.
Nikki is very popular on twitter when I've looked. I just think she gets a boost in the actual vote when it comes to picking an ultimate winner.
I must admit I've not followed too closely though. I've been dusting off my sequin jacket ready for SCD. Cool
Report Angela Rebecchi September 7, 2010 4:58 PM BST
A surv poll of 350 odd people isn't watertight stuff imho.
Report Journeyman September 7, 2010 6:10 PM BST
Confidence boost having Figleaf weighing in on this grand finale ride! Happy

Topping up time on Nikki at 14.5 right now while Chantelle holds at 6.4. Surely the wrong prices and set to reverse sooner rather than later.
Stake now split 60/40 between outright win and top female (3.5+), maybe that's too greedy.
Report charliebigpotatoes September 7, 2010 6:16 PM BST
if you guys are all so confident about Nikki winning how come no-one has matched my £100 @ 1.5 Chantelle top female that's been sitting there all day? Surely if Nikki can win she can beat Chanters?

I've moved it up to 1.62 now - surely valyoo no?
Report Angela Rebecchi September 7, 2010 6:21 PM BST
If it wasn't matched at 1.5, moving it out 12 ticks won't help it get matched.

Think alot of them are already on at 3.5+ so offering 2.5 to them might technically be value but isn't enticing for most punters to increase their position.

Sure you'll get it filled eventually at 1.5 going on the vibes of this thread.

GL.
Report TheMadness September 7, 2010 6:36 PM BST
I'd like her to win, but it ain't happening.
Report VardonVoo. September 7, 2010 6:36 PM BST
I didn't know that, about her spending 11 years in hospital with her
eating disorder.

Brian's already had one load of success from BB and Nikki just seems like a
tragic lost soul. I'd easily prefer her to win over Brian.

Chanters got divorced after marrying in odd circumstances and now wants to
get back with him, having taken time out to go on Z-lister sh@gging spree.
I still like her but I'm not as sympathetic as I was at the beginning.
Report TheMadness September 7, 2010 6:39 PM BST
Will Vanessa say she wants Nikki to win? And will that conversation about her anorexia make the HL show?

Anyone who didn't know about her spending years of her life in a hospital bed with a feeding tube never had a right to be commenting on her body shape imo. When I read the DS forums getting into such a huff about the treatment of Nadia, only to then attack Nikki for having the body of a 13 year old, it just confirms everything I thought of those morons.
Report TheMadness September 7, 2010 6:45 PM BST
Just seen the spoiler. It makes the show
Report A1 Bionic September 7, 2010 6:48 PM BST
I watched it on the LF yesterday and although i already knew the outline of what her history was, i was still touched
Report leveller September 7, 2010 6:52 PM BST
Nothing is new about nikki or her anorexia, its been common knowledge for years.

Will this then be seen as a desperate ploy for sympathy, both her and chantelle are being forced down our throats and most people seem tired of the charade.

Im not a heartless person, but I find it dull, dull, dull, almost as dull as the blatant propaganda around vanessa.

Brian for me, cos victor doesnt have a prayer with BB production.  Brian can rely on 10 yrs of not putting a foot wrong, and he has actually attempted to entertain.  Nikki is a marmite character and many hard-core BB fans would prefer anyone else to win.  She doesnt attract the casual voters either imo.
Report armagnac September 7, 2010 6:59 PM BST
of course it will get matched, only a matter of time before chantelle and nikki flip/flop in the outrights...chantelle's price only went so low on the chance of romance in the house which has not transpired and wont until they leave the house...so once this hits home we'll see a price change as chantelle will not pick up nowhere near as many votes as she did 1st time around.
Nikki on the other hand will pick up some of the valuable 30plus women voters tonite when her sad story is revealed, probably the age bracket where she falls behind to the romantic chantelle mob...she clearly has the teenage vote wrapped up imo. kids just love her mini-tantrums, although were not seeing as many as BB7..i think this actually works in her favour as nikki fans look forward to a tantrum now and she will not be disliked as much for over reacting and playing up coz her whinging and moaning is not as frequent as before.

feltz going in was a total nightmare and put me right off the show completely, non-stop questions from the nosey b!nt and taking over the show but she has given nikki a platform..she may not win but i think she will cruise past chantelle into 2nd spot as the romance storyline has not gone anywhere in over a week thanks to preston as he wont commit to anything on national TV again.
Report Angela Rebecchi September 7, 2010 7:02 PM BST
10 forumites ramping a price all quoting her as odds on, yet none snap the 3.0.

Sums this place up, really does.
Report A1 Bionic September 7, 2010 7:07 PM BST
bigger on the HS
Report TheMadness September 7, 2010 7:41 PM BST
This forum sucks
Report TheMadness September 7, 2010 7:44 PM BST
I think all of us think Brian will win. I'd just much prefer Nikki to. He tries so hard, whilst she can make me laugh by just pulling one of her faces. He expects to win it, whereas she'd never see it coming, and he's such a pompous prat as well. But, he's safe. He's funny but uninteresting, Nikki is a real individual with a tragic story. That's why she won't get it. She offends too many.
Report seanvice September 7, 2010 7:54 PM BST
10 forumites ramping a price all quoting her as odds on, yet none snap the 3.0.

No point backing her at 3, when 1 I already have a very hefty amount on her at odds between 7/2 and 4/1 and 2 I can get a better price matched than 3.

Nikki Grahame       4.34       £202.00       £674.80

Thats me on betfair plus lots with the highstreet.

Gl if you are a layer.
Report attitude adjuster September 7, 2010 7:59 PM BST
She's like many of the biggest housemates over the last 10 years.

Rex,Victor,Gerry,Maxwell,Science,Nikki,Alex,Tickle,Freddie,Kemal,Marcus,Pepper etc

They all had big fanbases but big hatebases

They could entertain but they all sat too close to the self destruct line...and that's why they could never win over the full trip.


Shame it took me 10 years to realise this CryCryCry
Report armagnac September 7, 2010 8:15 PM BST
nikki is a BB icon, who lives and breathes BB..be a travesty if she dont get top female against a X-WAG
Report Dirk Dirmackerie September 7, 2010 8:31 PM BST
I always fancied Chantelle to win. Nikki might be amusing to watch for 30 mins a day on the highlights program, but can you imagine sharing a house with her for 2.5 weeks? Voters don't vote for the people who amuse them (e.g. sunshine, nikki, victor, mcririck) they vote for people who get on with people. Also Chantelle won (in a house full of celebs), Nikki muffed both of her chances. 3.5 seems fair enough odds.
Report TheMadness September 7, 2010 8:33 PM BST
I give up on this forum.
Report TheMadness September 7, 2010 8:34 PM BST
Did you just mention Sunshine in the same sentence as Nikki, Victor and the Mac?
Report leveller September 8, 2010 12:08 AM BST
I thought that TM.. sunshine???? really?

least entertaining housemate this year!.. Laugh
Report TheMadness September 8, 2010 1:34 AM BST
Still can't get page 1
Report Journeyman September 10, 2010 4:31 PM BST
Flipflop. At last. Nikki your day has come. (and hopefully mine, and deejayric's... mmm who else is on the all out win?)
Report armagnac September 10, 2010 4:35 PM BST
never miss a betting sting, the multi-voter brigade are on redial as we speak Cool
Report squares September 10, 2010 4:36 PM BST
N1 JM, but didn't LG start a similar thread about a week before you?
Report squares September 10, 2010 4:39 PM BST
and called it "There's Something Wrong About Brian"!!
Report Henry VIII September 10, 2010 4:39 PM BST
N1 JM, but didn't LG start a similar thread about a week before you?

Yes, and I did about a week before LG [;)]

Not that it matters Laugh, we're all lovely Nikki backers, recently in the 20s my giddy lord.
Report A1 Bionic September 10, 2010 4:40 PM BST
yes and i did about 4 years before Henry [;)]
Report squares September 10, 2010 4:41 PM BST
Henry, I thought you'd been missing for quite a bit of this.  Seemed quite odd that a number of esteemed forumites seemed to be away at the same time!
Report Henry VIII September 10, 2010 4:42 PM BST
yes and i did about 4 years before Henry

Laugh Yes but she lost then A1. However you did rekindle my interest in her earlier today A1, and for that I thank you.
Report Henry VIII September 10, 2010 4:43 PM BST
Or I should say - rekindle my belief (completely insane of course) that she could actually win.
Report A1 Bionic September 10, 2010 4:45 PM BST
details Henry, details  Laugh
Report Henry VIII September 10, 2010 5:02 PM BST
Henry, I thought you'd been missing for quite a bit of this.  Seemed quite odd that a number of esteemed forumites seemed to be away at the same time!

Laugh "Esteemed forumites and Henry" you mean. Anyway I was just having a break before SCD and XF, I had my book where I wanted it and was just waiting the inevitable boring Brian win. (May not be so inevitable or boring now after all).
Report Journeyman September 10, 2010 5:02 PM BST
One last ardrenaline ride then. Wd to all u shrewdies but... how low are you gonna ride her?
Top female is in the bag but is that enough? What is that on our lips... it's foam!

We're lusting for more, we want the all out win. Blood on the floor, balls on the wall!

And betting aside she deserves it, and that's coming from someone who has never been a fan.
I'm just glad (touch wood) there wan't a run on Ulrika this time
Report squares September 10, 2010 5:13 PM BST
C4 poll - which HM would winning mean the most to?


Brian 26.98% (2,976 votes)
Chantelle 15.18% (1,674 votes)
Nick 10.74% (1,185 votes)
Nikki 38.84% (4,284 votes)
Preston 1.02% (112 votes)
Ulrika 2.02% (223 votes)
Victor 5.21% (575 votes)
Total Votes: 11,029
Report armagnac September 10, 2010 5:19 PM BST
good poll squares and very accurate imo, the look on her face would bring a tear to the eye
Report deejayric September 10, 2010 5:20 PM BST
i really think she's gonna win it Shocked
Report A1 Bionic September 10, 2010 5:25 PM BST
some polls should just not be shared CryDevil
Report Henry VIII September 10, 2010 5:30 PM BST
some polls should just not be shared

Laugh I was planning to post that but I my Nikki gluttony hadn't quite been satisfied. Anyway, nice one squares, it's generally good form to post such.

Do we think it's significant? It's not asking "Who will you vote for?" but I'm betting it means pretty much the same.
Report deejayric September 10, 2010 5:32 PM BST
it's a thin line Henry, not quite the same but good enough for me Blush
Report alfie46 September 10, 2010 5:32 PM BST
squares top man
Report A1 Bionic September 10, 2010 5:33 PM BST
they had a similar one earlier in the week Henry

"who do you think is the most famous HM"

Nikki done well in that too, they inevitably end up as favourite HM polls
Report Henry VIII September 10, 2010 5:37 PM BST
And Brian and Nikki have held pretty much the same % since 8,893 votes.

The vote number makes this a poll to be reckoned with.
Report johnnyrant September 10, 2010 5:44 PM BST
You all know what to do: 09011 323 028 Laugh
Report Henry VIII September 10, 2010 5:53 PM BST
they had a similar one earlier in the week Henry
"who do you think is the most famous HM"
Nikki done well in that too, they inevitably end up as favourite HM polls


Do you remember what Nikki and Brian scored on that A1?
Report A1 Bionic September 10, 2010 6:15 PM BST
Cant be sure Henry, brian was winning but Nikki was doing well enough for me to keep backing her
Report TheMadness September 10, 2010 6:34 PM BST
Survation would never have been so wrong if Nikki beats Chantelle
Report A1 Bionic September 10, 2010 6:38 PM BST
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