Sams not going to last too long :(

You've forgot an "imo"

Josie protested too much last night

Which suggests that Sam's accusations have a ring of truth to them

imo

http://bb-cache.channel4.com/bigbrother/video/2010/Aug/2/sam-is-stirring-up-the-house/play.c4

think most of the viewers will agree with these comments (imo)

Sam and Josie obviously know each other from the audition process so Sam knows she'll take what he says with good humour most of the time, but the way hes constantly questioning her and only her is bordering on bullying somebody just because he thinks he can get away with it. Its notable he hasn't been anything like this with any of the other HMs probably because he knows they wouldn't take it from him.

When he first came into the house i thought he'd be great for the show but after yesterday i don't think hes going to last too long. Hes pretty much guaranteed to be up once they can vote for him and now hes alienated himself from the JJJ fans.

Hes gone about things the wrong way by targetting Josie and i think the only effect it'll have is improve her chances of winning!

I don't, because she is seething, and it's water of his back

Sam will need to be protected by the prods, but I'm pretty sure they will

Intelligent bloke too, and well capable of winning S&R tasks. If next week is a cull vote, he'd only have to dodge one eviction to make it to the final

im not Josies biggest fan either but even most that have hated the whole JJJ thing accept their feelings for each other are real. You only had to see how Josie acted on Friday night to see how real those feelings are (from her side anyway). For Sam to say what he said after just 2days in their company is pretty insulting.

I think Dave spoke a lot of sense in the video i posted. I think Sams come in with the intention of stirring things up which is great but theres a differnce between that and just bullying one person. I think hes made a pretty big error in targetting Josie in the way he did and question her motives because i think even her harshest critic accepts she genuinly does like JJ.

Anyone that thinks Sam has any chance of winning Big Brother has clearly not done their homework.

It is fair enough og him though Dylan to ask the exact sort of question a lot of viewing want asking, ie, is this just a scam so you can get loads of magazine deals when you leave the house.
It's a valid question, and Josie has been seething ever since cos she knows he's totally called her and JJ's bluff.
I've seen on those threads just as many saying, 'Well done Sam. Keep winding them up. Josie can give it out but can't take it, what goes around, comes around' blah, blah, blah

Anyone who has a  username "get shabby out" and only joined today clearly hasnt done any homework

hth

is it fair enough of him to ask those questions though after being in the house for just 2 days? If you watched Josie on Friday night i think its pretty obvious that her feelings for JJ are real. Im sure they will do plenty of magazine interviews afterwards so what? but he suggested the only reason she was with JJ was to get money afterwards which is clearly rubbish if you've watched any of the show, and a pretty insulting thing to suggest after being in their company for such a short time.

Like i said in the first post of course there will be those that approve of what hes doing (those that don't like Josie and JJ) but imo the majority will side on the HMs they've been watching for the last 2 months over someone thats come in for a few days and thinks its his place to judge their feelings.

He's good for the house - no doubt about it,  but I don't see him as anything but a short term, high impact player at the moment.

Would be gone in the three way vote or double eviction unfortunately. He's a character that is too big not to attract a healthy proportion of votes inside and outside the house.

Let's see how much damage he can do to others while he's there.

thought he might kill off Josies chances because there was the possibility of her losing her temper with him, but now after yesterday i think hes actually enhanced her chances. Even her biggest critic i think would accept she does have feelings for JJ so to suggest she only got with him so she could sell her story is pretty low especially considering hes only been there for a couple of days. Can see Josie getting sympathy from that.

Why is Josie so unsettled by it though? Should be water off a duck's back. She should express her counter-view and leave it at that but Josie being Josie she is now rounding up other HMs to get them all on her side, and completely obsessing over it, and whining about him - I don't see any of this behaviour gaining her sympathy. Her insecurity is off the scale. Viewers know he's come in with all the knowledge he has gained from watching the show beforehand. As soon as he questioned either of them, the JJJ lovers were bound to be up in arms Dylan. Not sure how he could have 'played it' any differently, other than sit in the corner, and become an inactive presence. He was bound to polarise but polarising is not a bad thing if he reaches the stage of 'vote to save' which, with producer manipulation, is a serious possibility.

Give it up Dylan...u've posted 5 times on this thread - and EVERY post repeats exactly the same thing...ok, we get it...u want to ramp JJJ. Good luck.

And as for...."For Sam to say what he said after just 2days in their company is pretty insulting."

Seriously! WFT?! at least he's had 2 days, what about all of us slating them on a daily basis.

And Sam hasn't 'gone about it in the wrong way'. He's gone about it in EXACTLY the right way. They've threw him in there to mix it up a bit and be annoying/argumentative, not to win. Obviously he'd love to win it but don't see it being very high on his agenda right now.

Might only take a couple of noms this week and Josie could be history

Even JJ fans might vote for her vote to increase his chances

I think he's terrible news for JJJ, we need more of him questioning JJ1 though, it's JJ1's motivations that are the most wierd.

And we're at the stage where the producers don't need to save JJJ any more.

Could be interesting if Josie continues to get offended etc and John James just sits back and does nothing. If Josie isn't over reacting, why isn't John James (who hasn't been shy of confrontation in the past) not defending his woman?

Could end up splitting JJJ fans if they both continue to react in the way they are.

I'm sure many JJ fans hate Josie anyway

Spot on ^

Even her biggest critic i think would accept she does have feelings for JJ

I don't believe either of them have romantic feelings for each other.
It's the most unconvincing romantic relationship I've seen in the house.
It's a relationship that they've both just fallen into, out of boredom...... and I do believe with one eye on the possible cash and interest it will generate.

Watched BB with my wife the other night.  She is fairly convinced that Josie does not have genuine feeling for John James.

i think their feelings are genuine in as much as feelings in that type of situation can be genuine. They mmight leave the house and feel differently but thats not the same as pretending to feel a certain way to make money out of it afterwards which is what Sam has said about Josie. You only had to watch Josie on Friday night to see how she feels.

I never used the word romantic by the way, because im not sure if they do have romantic feelings for each other but i do think its pretty clear that they have feelings for each other. Im not sure how Sam could come to his judgement after a couple of days and why he feels he needs to share that view.

I think hes played it wrong by targetting one HM and being pretty judgemental based on what? If he'd carried on the way he started he might have had a chance but by focussing on 1 HM it might come accross as bullying and inevitably the other HMs whove spent all that time with Josie are going to side with her.

What might happen is the HMs just choose to ignore Sam becuas they get fed up of him being overly personal with people hes just met which kind of defeats the purpose of him being in there.

what a yawn thread

Sam at 16.5 is an utter joke. His role is to rile, antagonize and offend. Depending on how the established HMs react to this, his actions may well affect which of them win or lose. But he can't possibly win it himself.

He shouldn't even have odds or be a runner. He's just a machine-like stooge put in by BB, designed to shake the real contenders up.

... and I agree with opening poster. He'll be out, Bea-like, well before finals night

He shouldn't even have odds or be a runner.

That's a pretty extreme view for sure!
Not saying you're wrong either, but as he's listed among the under 20.0's it is an interesting view.

When confronted by some of the HMs last night he basically used the Charley Uchea defence of "Im only being honest" and he wouldnt change because it was his character. Thats code for "I dont care if I insult or offend or make people unhappy" which may appeal to 20%+ of the HC but the casual viewer is a different matter.

Brilliant HM though.

But he's different from Bea and Charlie in that he's not malicious, he remains upbeat and level-headed.

His biggest problem is when he calms down from the antics - not sure his 'personality' is all that appealing beyond the crotch thrusting and being an idiot.

Hes much more self-aware and funny than Charlie but I think he is malicious.

OT simper - do you really on have 31 replies on here!?

what he said yesterday was quite nasty, the HMs are probably worried about whats happening on the outside and whatever hes said hes clearly watched a lot of the show so when he suggests that Josie might only be with JJ so she can sell her story that must make you pretty insecure as to how its being reported on the outside. I think he also said something to Dave about his family which Dave seemed pretty offended by.

He has the potential to be a great HM but i think hes played it wrong by being overly offensive instead of just dropping the odd bomb here and there.

He's already polling higher than Josie on DS.

He'll poll well in the favourites polls (particularly in places like DS)- there's no doubt there, but he'll do badly in a negative vote as well.

Doubt he'll do as well in a real vote vs the polls - these 'cult' characters always do better in polls I believe.

Sam is an utter twonk. End of Thread.

No, sorry, thread not ended. Sam is class. Just what the house needed after Ben's exit.
Josie has been using the same tactic today she used to get rid of Caoimhe – going round other HMs spreading poison, exaggerating and saying things that Sam said he didn't actually say.
Meanwhile, John James used to get really angry when other people upset his beloved Josie. So why has he remained quiet while Sam Pepper has been at work?
Both have been thoroughly exposed.

Furthermore JJ1 had no interest in giving the likes of Rachael 1 and Keeley a chance, yet has been arguing about giving Sam the benefit of the doubt all day.

Certainly he is entertaining to watch in the short term. However he is a cocky little idiot and I can not see the public wanting him to win after the novelty has worn off.

wheteher JJ or J wins, we shall see. It is starting to become very stale I grant you. However though people may become bored of them, I don't think there is a massive resentment against them with the general public. (apart from on DS)

There's no doubting sam is a quality HM jr, and definitely what the house needed. But he's 13.5 TO WIN. That's ridiculous. I'd seriously struggle to find a case to back him at 135, never mind 13.5

indeed dj

Low point for BB when a guy who is continuously prodding away at a girl, invading her personal space, and even goes as far as rubbing his crotch in her face is being cheered on imo. She's the bad person because she thinks he's an ****? From the accusations of their relationship being a "fauxmance" when almost all of it has been had under a duvet where no one can see what's going on, to her being treated as though she turned the whole house against someone who never showed any interest in anyone in the house and constantly looked down her nose at them, to her now being the bad person when, as I watch, he goes upto her and starts leaning on her shoulder. She's being pretty harshly judged imo. Any guy who behaved like that towards any girlfriend of someone in a pub would have been lucky to have not left in an ambulance.

"Josie has been using the same tactic today she used to get rid of Caoimhe – going round other HMs spreading poison, exaggerating and saying things that Sam said he didn't actually say."

Such as what?

Josie was being her usual self, TM, making up a load of stuff Sam didn't actually say such as that old chestnut of being fake. With Caoimhe if you recall, it was a similar over-reaction from Josie - 'there she was, literally naked, shoving her breasts in his face, noshing him off' etc etc - it just highlights her insecurity.

I asked for an example of what she has said about Sam that was wrong. You haven't provided an example.

So far I've seen him walk in and say "You're such a bitch Josie". He's continued to call her a "fat slag", thrown mud her in a sly way by saying "I don't know if your real or fake", constantly invaded her personal space by rubbing his crotch in her face, jumping on top of her on her bed, and most recently putting his arm on her shoulder and leaning on her whilst sticking his tongue out at her in a sexual manner, whilst continuing to prod away.

She is supposed to respond to this in what way exactly? She's no shrinking violet, so she'll never be seen as the victim, but this looks like a mild form of bullying to me, that could soon go over the edge. And I repeat, if some guy so much as came upto a girlfriend you had, put his arm on her shoulder and tried to deliberately wind her up, you'd at the very least have a word. If he actually went as far to rub his crotch in her face, at best he would leave in a police car, at worst he'd leave without a head.

BBLB really pushing him.

Can you blame them?

agree with you TM, by targetting 1 HM its not a good look for Sam. He clearly has some sort of relationship with Josie from the audition process so knows he can push it with her, although some of the things hes done have been over the line (imo) for somebody you've only been in the house with for a few days.

Isn't it interesting for someone thats supposed to tell it as it is Sam has so far only really done it with Josie somebody he knew before he got into the house and somebody he knows will take most of his antics with humour. Will he be as upfront with people he doesn't know as well or people that might not indulge him as much? I doubt it.

You can get away with targeting the right HM. Josie doesn't have the vulnerability about her that Sunshine had. And actually because Sam looks the way he does, he's going to be able to get away with a lot of this, despite it clearly being terrible behaviour.

That moment in the kitchen just a few minutes ago where he put his arm on her shoulder and started wagging his tongue at her tells me all I need to know about him. You don't do that to any woman, and especially not someone you're clearly not fond of and you know can't stand you. It clearly made her feel uncomfortable and to see that sort of thing being justified by people because it's entertainment or she's supposed to be a bitch is depressing.

Being insecure is not a massive negative JR. Most females will relate.

14.5 implies a 93% probability that SAM will not win

Not sure why this price is ridiculous

he's pure marmite

josie lovers hate him

josie dislikers love him

I don't tape the live feed TM so cannot quote examples but it was apparent Josie was doing her usual in exaggerating what Sam said in a bid to gain sympathy of other HMs, and actually largely failed. This is what I would describe as her slightly unhinged tendency.
What I've seen today on live feed from Sam is harmless banter but Josie cannot take it and has been very barbed, angry and spiteful in response, and very much over-reacting as is her wont.
Sam has articulated himself well probing the JJJ romance, and John James and most other HMs haven't taken offence.
TM, don't worry - Feltz has just come out in support of Josie and thinks she deserves to win - another woman who could do with having her fridge padlocked. So the sisters may yet help Josie over the line.

TM - you're totally spot on with these posts, nice work sir

Feltz has never picked a winner.

She loved Rex for starters.

johnnyrant 02 Aug 10 18:00 
Josie was being her usual self... it just highlights her insecurity.


Josie's insecurity is obvious to all, and the reason she's been such a short price throughout the show

She is still going on about it now on live feed f.f.s.. As I said before, 'the lady doth protest too much me thinks'
Her negative rating seems to be increasing. I personally am finding it increasingly hard to see her winning and happy to have her red at this stage. John James is a different matter - his army of pre-pubescent tweenie fans are a dangerous force.
But I'm hoping one takes out the other. I get the general vibe from forums and threads that the average viewer has had enough of it all.

Josie is a grotesque cow. Over the last 8 days her support has been slowly dwindling, not before time.

So you approve of Sam's behaviour towards her Henry?

No. He's much too mild towards the chav.

God, you lot make it sound like he has come in and r*ped her.

josie has had massive protection from BB since day 1...she could have been gone a long time ago with even a fair edit of her other side

No jr, just basic playground bullying. Andrew called it from the off - Sam reminded him of the kids that used to bully him at school for how he looked. Sam's clearly very adept at it.

Her uncle murdered her father, her gran's a drug dealer, her mother went off with a gypsy and Josie hasn't talked to her for years.

Then for the BB videos her family comes together, stiffly posed, drawn by the smell of money.

It's hardly surprising Josie's turned out to be a cold b1tch from such genetic stock.

"I don't tape the live feed TM so cannot quote examples but it was apparent Josie was doing her usual in exaggerating what Sam said in a bid to gain sympathy of other HMs, and actually largely failed. This is what I would describe as her slightly unhinged tendency."

From what I saw she told them pretty much what I heard him say.

"What I've seen today on live feed from Sam is harmless banter but Josie cannot take it and has been very barbed, angry and spiteful in response, and very much over-reacting as is her wont."

Whether or not it makes the HL show, I don't know, but when you know a girl does not like you, and you lean on her and start wagging your tongue at her like he did, you are invading her personal space, and almost being threatening. Appearances count for a lot, and because Sam looks like a harmless runt whereas she's a tough cookie, it will could come across as not being as horrid as it is. So far I've seen him try to make her feel quite uncomfortable both with what he has said and what he has done. And I'm seeing people cheer him on.

"Sam has articulated himself well probing the JJJ romance, and John James and most other HMs haven't taken offence."

He hasn't articulated why he has such a perverse interest in it.

Call me old fashioned. But the non-stop comparisons with cows and pigs, and calling her a bitch (whilst the biggest bitch Ben has been hero worshipped), is just beneath contempt.

well at least you seem quite sympathetic towards her Henry

Just trying to balance the argument dj.

Josie is currently tucking into about her 8th meal of the day - she certainly takes comfort eating to a whole new level. Parted from her beloved they may need a wrecking ball to help her out of the house
Sorry TM, I can't help being provocative.

josie and her cronies are close to becoming bullies

she's getting braver with every person she gets rid of, sunshine was disposed of by her with more sly than a fox, the poor chicken didnt know what happened...keeva was done by just making up plain bullsh!t and spreading the vile bile...now she's upping the game by forming a lynch mob of bullies.
josie's time has just run out

The Sunshine thing is in the minds of DS. A number of them had a problem with Sunshine not just opening the crisps for all of them when they'd had so little to eat. To blame Josie for all that is irrational. And to be honest, the criticism of Sunshine was justified that time imo. As for Keeva... She certainly told the truth about the fact that all Keeva did was bitch about people. We all saw that.

TM

So why was Josie strongly protected by the edits in both accounts if she was so innocent ??

If anything, by not showing some of the things Keeva was doing with JJ, she wasn't being protected. I saw Keeva, after a conversation with Josie about how she was feeling, get up and go and lay with her head right near his lap. Why would you do that? And I don't know what the fuss about Sunshine's crisps was all about. Sunshine should have just opened them, and Josie along with others thought she was being a dick for not doing so. That was an incident that DS, people who have a pathological need to vilify someone to justify their extreme levels of spitefulness, and who have been resentful of Josie's relationship with JJ and the amount of HL show time it's gotten, have made a song and dance about which in actual fact was evidence more of Sunshine's own silliness than the bitchiness of anyone else. Sunshine was their chosen "victim" at that time. Amazing how someone can become a victim to them because people who were hungry were pissed off she wouldn't share her crisps.

pepper power polling is still rising

15% is looming, taking all jj votes here