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siwaadupa
11 Jan 14 03:33
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Cant believe what happened on basket. Their brilliant idea caused no interest from punters. Well done Breon ;)
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Report jajabink January 12, 2014 12:35 AM GMT
sportsbook is useless on baskets,tried to place a bet 4 times and every time the odds sunk lower,all this in the space of 30 seconds,unreal!!!!!! never again
Report Swedebank January 12, 2014 8:31 AM GMT
And on the European markets just bots bots and even more bots.
Report jajabink January 12, 2014 10:08 AM GMT
and were only talking 5 pound bets,abso joke
Report rink rat January 16, 2014 8:26 PM GMT
The long time customers are expected to turn a profit on THESE markets, and if they do are required to turn 40% of their winnings back to the host. Amazing really anyone is left.
                                                                                                                   RR.
Report rink rat January 16, 2014 8:40 PM GMT
That being said, the in-play on p!nnacle is a joke. Line has changed everytime you attempt. Figures as your taking money directly out of their pocket.
Report curlywurly January 20, 2014 11:31 PM GMT
Due to pc and the need for sleep I have hardly done any basketball this season.
I tried tonight seeing as it's MLK day and the games are staggered throughout the evening.
What a joke.
Absolutely zero liquidity on the points and caps, just a bookend bot with awful prices.
Total waste of time.
Report fixed January 25, 2014 2:47 AM GMT
probably the exact opposite of what most people say...liquidity/amount matched is not lowest but highest ever

however margins and the percentage of matched bets that dont involve bots are probably at a low
Report siwaadupa January 26, 2014 9:23 PM GMT
you either must be here few months or just working for bf. Its totaly disaster. Cant even compare how it used to be 3,4,5 years ago.
Report fixed January 27, 2014 3:07 AM GMT
i can. liquidity is much improved. some markets (1st qurater handicap) didn't even exist back then

one thing that hasn't changed: 3,4,5 years ago people complained about lack of liquidity
Report Hank Hill January 27, 2014 11:40 PM GMT
Are we talking low liquidity in play or pre off too? Not been in the hoops markets for a while, but there is a 20k lay for Phoenix right now. Not too shabby surely.
Report Musik January 28, 2014 3:20 AM GMT
all about the fast feeds these day, nothing else Cool
Report Musik January 28, 2014 3:23 AM GMT
Durant Love
Report siwaadupa January 29, 2014 9:26 AM GMT

Jan 27, 2014 -- 4:07AM, fixed wrote:


i can. liquidity is much improved. some markets (1st qurater handicap) didn't even exist back thenone thing that hasn't changed: 3,4,5 years ago people complained about lack of liquidity


Some markets didnt exist back then, but nba games used to have at least 100k matched match odds- pre play! And it was more than 5y ago. No there are some games pre play under 10k. Liquidity is ~80% lower than 5 years ago!

Report siwaadupa January 29, 2014 9:26 AM GMT
now there are some games pre play under 10k *
Report rink rat January 30, 2014 5:59 PM GMT
Back in the day I could get 5-10K USD matched pre-off on any total at market prices. Now if I leave my bet up all day (first in line)I get a few hundred matched. Quite sad to see whats happened to my all time favourite internet gambling place.
Report fixed January 31, 2014 3:08 AM GMT
the total amount matched on basketball has gone up compared to 5 years ago

80% down is so ridiculous a comment i'll leave it at that
Report siwaadupa January 31, 2014 11:39 AM GMT

Jan 31, 2014 -- 4:08AM, fixed wrote:


the total amount matched on basketball has gone up compared to 5 years ago80% down is so ridiculous a comment i'll leave it at that


has gone up? are you crazy?! where do you see an increase?
I'm pointing on match odds market only(total ponts). If you interest is on 1st quarter point then yes. There is an increase, because 1st quarter market didn't exist then!.
Do you see an increase on match odds market? where? 8k matched pre play? La games(clippers), Miami 50k matched pre play? Is this an increase?
I remeber times where 400k where matched pre play!

Report siwaadupa January 31, 2014 11:41 AM GMT
*I remember times where 400k were matched pre play!
Report fixed February 5, 2014 1:51 AM GMT
of course you remember a single game out of 1000 a season where the amount matched was bigger than in a random game you pick out of this season because some people tend to use this kind of reasoning to "prove" a point


the total amount matched on basketball has gone up compared to 5 years ago
Report map February 8, 2014 3:47 AM GMT
some games do seem to have very low liquidity
Report TheInvestor2 February 21, 2014 3:37 PM GMT
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*I remember times where 400k were matched pre play!
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of course you remember a single game out of 1000 a season where the amount matched was bigger than in a random game you pick out of this season because some people tend to use this kind of reasoning to "prove" a point


the total amount matched on basketball has gone up compared to 5 years ago


This argument is fairly easily solved if someone cares to have a look at the betfair historical data.
Report siwaadupa February 21, 2014 9:31 PM GMT
Few hours to go (5h)
Match odds market:
boston@lakers
Matched: GBP 810
Everything grows here. Frustration is on a first place ;)
Report rink rat February 23, 2014 12:49 AM GMT
Can't get sh!t matched. Cut the charge BETFAIR and bring back some life to these sorry markets.
Report fixed February 24, 2014 3:09 AM GMT
"This argument is fairly easily solved if someone cares to have a look at the betfair historical data. "

http://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/28207603/impact-of-pc2-a-look-at-the-factual-numbers?sdb=1&pg=4

year    turnover m    yoy
2008    504   
2009    628    25%
2010    777    24%
2011    940    21%


sustained and healthy growth, turnover almost doubled there
using that the " Liquidity is ~80% lower" statement by mr siwaadupa is about 1000% off the mark
Report numer0ne February 24, 2014 9:22 AM GMT
Glad that's cleared up. The next pressing question is does Jason Collins get his own changing room? If not the cheeky devil must have been in heaven this morning. Imagine being let into a lockeroom of professional sports women and watching them shower etc Confused
Report siwaadupa February 28, 2014 8:03 PM GMT
I used to trade on a basket because that's one of my favorite sports. I guess you must be either a fastest man on a market or just person who sells chewing gums on a sunday market. Im closer to believe in second option. How can it grows up when we have no bets there? there is absolutely no point to stay during a night and wait for a good price. No bets no fun! Easy for me.
Have you seen this video?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrFJQ0iGzw0&list=PLNeG_gj9HzAWMhKkdkZd9z1n6tVjQypWv&index=13
You must be very big fan of it. Hahaha
Liquidity has gone up! hahaha
Report siwaadupa February 28, 2014 8:06 PM GMT
@fixed liquidity has gone up : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1owcncKCHg&feature=c4-overview-vl&list=PL5CB...
Report siwaadupa February 28, 2014 8:07 PM GMT
youtube.com/watch?v=M1owcncKCHg&feature=c4-overview-vl&list=PL5CBC9F249F46D3EF
Report rink rat March 1, 2014 11:38 PM GMT
Fixed your stats are for 2011, how about something more prudent say 2012- 2014????????????????????
Report fixed March 2, 2014 1:19 AM GMT
nah.....we are at 'liqidity up 100%" by quick copy pasting from different thread

your turn to do the data digging if you still cling to your belief, don't you think ??!!
Report siwaadupa March 2, 2014 6:39 PM GMT
Data? One of the best teams in NBA:
New York - Chicago :
Saturday 6PM- NO main football at this time- 25 k matched(!) on match odds market after first 5 mins in play.
I have never seen that little matched at this time of a day.
You dont need to dig ot at data.betfair.com (Ive tried but its not clear-its not like you going there and see how many bets were placed. You have to add those figures- too much effort) I feel as a trader that basket has dried up.
Do you sell chewing gums or lollipops? Has you business gone up as basket at betfair? Hahaha @fixed.
Report fixed March 2, 2014 10:30 PM GMT
no but instead of selling i could buy a million gums 1$ a piece !?

and as the guy with all the gums i call the shots: as far as we know over roughly a 5y period basketball liquidity is up 100%, your guesswork has you down 1000% and that's it (barring additional data showing something different)
Report Beaniash March 3, 2014 6:49 PM GMT
I THINK BETFAIR VIDEO IS UNDER CUTTING LEAGUE PASS WHEN U CAN HAVE £10 AND WATCH ANY GAME U WANT. GRANTED ITS NOW SUPER HD QUALITY BUT GOOD ENOUGH.

I WASTED £170+ ON THAT **** THATS ALMOST 3 MINS BEHIND
Report siwaadupa March 5, 2014 7:15 PM GMT
Liquidity is up 100% hahaha! Dont be cynical.
Because I've joined forum in feb 2012 it doesnt mean that I dont know what used to happen here before, son. I used to do basketball and I was making lots of easy money here. Im not able to do it anymore- because it has completely dried up. Go and sell your sweets betfair is too complicated for you son.
Report Darlo Bantam March 8, 2014 2:19 AM GMT
This is purely a qualitative analysis, but it seems that liquidity has been a little better in-play since the New Year, though it is up and down on certain days and if there's something else on, like tennis particularly. But there is practically zero matched pre-match. I've given up trying on basketball before the off, and often even until the second half.
Report fixed March 8, 2014 4:12 AM GMT
yet there is no need for this kind of qualitative analysis as we have the data.

this is amazing. one doesn't need to look any further than this thread to see why 99% of gamblers lose money


also after he obviously left us behind here i'd like to encourage the initial contributor (Mr. -1000%) to use his liquidity expertise on markets more deserving of his time ?! (stock exchange/money markets and of course special advisor to ECB, FED)
Report nugget March 8, 2014 4:31 AM GMT
courtsiders all over the nba this season
Report Darlo Bantam March 9, 2014 1:13 AM GMT

Mar 8, 2014 -- 5:12AM, fixed wrote:


yet there is no need for this kind of qualitative analysis as we have the data.this is amazing. one doesn't need to look any further than this thread to see why 99% of gamblers lose moneyalso after he obviously left us behind here i'd like to encourage the initial contributor (Mr. -1000%) to use his liquidity expertise on markets more deserving of his time ?! (stock exchange/money markets and of course special advisor to ECB, FED)


Does data count when the best you've provided is three years out of date and is therefore totally irrelevant to whether liquidity is higher or lower this year?

Report Swedebank March 9, 2014 8:20 AM GMT
More like bots with very fast score feed nugget. Same sadness in most european games as well.
Report nugget March 9, 2014 8:53 PM GMT
"fast score feed" indeed
Report fixed March 9, 2014 11:20 PM GMT
hey.janet.quick.update.today.betw.2am.3am.just.2.happy.meals.sold....4y.ago.we.had.a.tuesday.selling.20.in.one.hour....so.1000%.liquidity.drain.need.action.now.....pls.immed.reup.qe.to.150t.a.month.....over.and.out.agent.s.timisoara



courtsiders, fast-data bots different matter....agreed they have taken over most of the (basketball )markets and to discuss this is justified
but overall liquidity is not a problem at all...and anyone using that to complain about the courtsider/bot situation can't be taken seriously
Report nugget March 10, 2014 1:49 AM GMT
anyone with the username "fixed" should not be taken seriously
Report BMW M5 March 10, 2014 11:27 PM GMT
Cmon. There are no courtsiders @ NBA
Report DonNo1 March 11, 2014 12:05 AM GMT
Exactly, bf streams are pretty much up with the market.  Only once the playoffs start will more hoovering start
Report nugget March 11, 2014 4:36 AM GMT
"bf streams are pretty much up with the market" lol
Report nugget March 11, 2014 4:36 AM GMT
too funny
Report Swedebank March 11, 2014 8:18 AM GMT
The feed that the bots are using are way ahead of streams and even 365s graphics. You have to remove your orders every time the ball passes mid court. The bots totally killed all points markets and makes it visually very hard to trade anything because you have to sort out the bots orders with your eyes all the time.
Report BMW M5 March 11, 2014 10:27 AM GMT
They use the source like streamservices use, but they are faster as raw material. Thats it! And no bots there. Basketball is not tennis. Ok, in playoffs there is noticable advantage, so possibly there are some courtsiders.
Report Swedebank March 11, 2014 1:47 PM GMT
No bots?? For sure..... They operate in most of the European leagues and asian,(South Korea, Philippines).
Report BMW M5 March 11, 2014 9:11 PM GMT
Why you think they are bots, not real people? I give 90% that they are no bots
Report DonNo1 March 11, 2014 9:57 PM GMT
nugget     Joined: 04 Nov 05
Replies: 948 11 Mar 14 04:36 
too funny


lol
Report nugget March 12, 2014 1:30 AM GMT
good basketball discussion here
Report DonNo1 March 12, 2014 2:37 AM GMT
Liquidity is down this week, probably because of the tennis
Report Shamrock March 13, 2014 12:55 AM GMT
Ok, maybe the tennis but...35 K matched on Cha @Was at half 4th quarter? The only match over 100 k is BRK @MIA. Unbelievable, what's happening?
Report numer0ne March 13, 2014 11:22 AM GMT
is that a joke? Cheltenham more like.
Report McNulty (2) March 13, 2014 12:59 PM GMT
Totals matched have been down for a fortnight at least with a slow downwards trickle having started mid-Feb. Nothing to do with Cheltenham + I don't think the tennis is having that much impact.

Bear in mind that we are in NBA silly season results-wise as we approach the playoffs. Lots of dead rubbers with teams not necessarily putting in 100% - this may be affecting turnover. Also, I do think a chunk of money has been diverted to the sportsbook as they have stepped up their in-play offering, probably grabbing a fair few casuals.

College basketball, which used to have very modest but consistent enough turnover, has become a ghost town recently - it's nigh on impossible to get a bet matched both pre-off and in-play.

March Madness for College and the NBA playoffs will show the true state of affairs re the exchange. I'd be pretty confident that the playoffs will see a big rebound to typical levels in exchange action - we shall see.
Report fixed March 14, 2014 6:24 PM GMT
still same stupid qualitative 'reasoning'. people just don't get it.

go get the data then ask someone to explain to you what's happening
Report Shamrock March 15, 2014 12:29 AM GMT
For sure I won't ask you, since you appear to have no clues.
Report fixed March 27, 2014 3:12 AM GMT
the real problem is: you don't even know how to ask the right questions
Report Bravely bold Sir Robin April 6, 2014 3:17 AM BST
liquidity is a joke this days, you can't simply make some bets in play, you always see the bot that puts 1500€ on back and lay separated by huge distances, like 30 ticks and thats the only money available.

Day by day constant markets with 1500€ available to bet at 1.5 and the next price is at 1.2, lay 1500€ at 1.7 and the next at 2.1

basketball on betfair is dead.
Report mila April 6, 2014 3:59 PM BST
Basketball is an amazing sport to watch to bet and to trade.Usually the most good team wins but also underdogs when they play really good can win easy and all these without big damages for the bettors cause when happen this  u can smell it in the atmosphere.So basketball sure will not die in the betting industry.The problem about betfair is that many southern European countries that really love basketball are out of the exchange due to the gambling laws of these countries(Italia,España,Greece).The only strange is that all these laws have regulated 2 years before but only now seems the problem of liquidity to be more intensive.Any opinions why happen this only now,will be very welcome.

P.s. To be fair with the 'north' people i have to say that exists one country in the north that not only like or love basketball,but there is simply.. more than Religion....and this country is Lietuva(Lithuania).
Report Shamrock April 6, 2014 6:57 PM BST
Well, starting tomorrow we'll have even less liquidity since existing italians account will be terminated - bf stopped allowing registrations from there but they let previous customer to operate. No more, today is the last day.
Report Bravely bold Sir Robin April 7, 2014 1:52 AM BST
Well, spanish and italian markets will return. In spain they approved finally the betting exchange and they think they will be operating again before september. Italy and more countries will follow so a little money will return.
Report Bravely bold Sir Robin April 7, 2014 2:02 AM BST
In fact, I don't know if some italian could give some light on this

http://www.bettingtraderblog.com/2014/03/betfair-exchange-partenza-10-aprile.html
Report Bravely bold Sir Robin April 7, 2014 2:03 AM BST
http://www.bettingtraderblog.com/2014/04/betfair-exchange-domani-la-partenza...
Report Shamrock April 7, 2014 2:30 AM BST
Yep, they are launching an italians only BF platform but with separate liquidity, no sharing of the money with other countries and no betting allowed overnight (!). Don't know about Spain but probably they'll adopt a similar solution. So the river is spreading in different streams, bad for general liquidity. So they aren't returning at all, alas.
Report Shamrock April 7, 2014 2:37 AM BST
The launching of this new platform for italy is exactly the reason italians will disappear here tomorrow. .com account holders will have their account terminated to force them to join the .it.
Report Bravely bold Sir Robin April 7, 2014 4:31 AM BST
Are you sure about the different market for liquidity? I searched but didn't saw anything saying how it will be. I opened a thread on general betting to ask also
Report Shamrock April 7, 2014 4:58 AM BST
Yes man, i'm sure. Unluckily that's the truth. The italian market is heavily regulated, the government wants his share of the money and that requires "national liquidity" with iron control on the country players and their money. BF had to buy a license to operate in Italy, it isn't cheap and current regulations don't admit sharing of the money.

There are talks going on about a united market with Spain and France in future. But eventually it will regards poker rooms first(they are in deep crisis because of their "closed gates" policy, not enough players to sustain xx poker rooms in each country). Then - and i'm making a big leap of faith - it may involves bookmakers also in far future. It is years from happening if ever Sad
Report Shamrock April 7, 2014 5:01 PM BST
Heard that also Russia will be "banned" in a few days. Anyone can confirm?
Report Bravely bold Sir Robin April 8, 2014 3:09 AM BST
So at the end of the day will only have UK accounts and betfair pushing the classic bookie instead of the exchange more and more every day.

Just look at the NCAA final, under 80.000€ matched in the only basketball game of the night
Report Shamrock April 8, 2014 5:10 PM BST
They are pulling out of many regulated markets.

"Betfair’s withdrawal to regulated markets has taken a further step with the announcement that it will no longer accept new players from Russia.

A company statement to affiliates, seen by pokerfuse, explains that as the result of “recent developments within the Russian market,” the group is “ceasing acquiring customers in Russia as of Friday 11th April 2014.”

The company is also stopping all marketing spending, and removing the Russian language links to its site"

Probably alternative exchanges, not so strict about rules, will have an increase of liquidity.
Report fixed April 9, 2014 6:46 AM BST
still, even if you continue to pretend to not understand simple math: basketball liquidity has gone up Up UP


also there are no "alternative exchanges", bf still a monopoly

mass movement of disgruntled gamblers to other places, which has been projected ever since PC introduced in 2008 ?!
well here we are 6y later and: just didn't happen. noooo


but don't be sad, i am pretty sure you are able to ignore these facts
Report siwaadupa April 9, 2014 4:19 PM BST

Apr 9, 2014 -- 7:46AM, fixed wrote:


still, even if you continue to pretend to not understand simple math: basketball liquidity has gone up Up UP also there are no "alternative exchanges", bf still a monopolymass movement of disgruntled gamblers to other places, which has been projected ever since PC introduced in 2008 ?! well here we are 6y later and: just didn't happen. noooobut don't be sad, i am pretty sure you are able to ignore these facts


Such a shame that your IQ level hasnt gone up since 2008 :(

Report rink rat April 15, 2014 6:32 PM BST
Fixed rowing the company boat.
Report fixed April 25, 2014 5:36 AM BST
wrong. just like facts better than fiction from punters who have seen their boats sink
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