Liquidity Lowest Ever

sportsbook is useless on baskets,tried to place a bet 4 times and every time the odds sunk lower,all this in the space of 30 seconds,unreal!!!!!! never again

And on the European markets just bots bots and even more bots.

and were only talking 5 pound bets,abso joke

The long time customers are expected to turn a profit on THESE markets, and if they do are required to turn 40% of their winnings back to the host. Amazing really anyone is left.
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That being said, the in-play on p!nnacle is a joke. Line has changed everytime you attempt. Figures as your taking money directly out of their pocket.

Due to pc and the need for sleep I have hardly done any basketball this season.
I tried tonight seeing as it's MLK day and the games are staggered throughout the evening.
What a joke.
Absolutely zero liquidity on the points and caps, just a bookend bot with awful prices.
Total waste of time.

probably the exact opposite of what most people say...liquidity/amount matched is not lowest but highest ever

however margins and the percentage of matched bets that dont involve bots are probably at a low

you either must be here few months or just working for bf. Its totaly disaster. Cant even compare how it used to be 3,4,5 years ago.

i can. liquidity is much improved. some markets (1st qurater handicap) didn't even exist back then

one thing that hasn't changed: 3,4,5 years ago people complained about lack of liquidity

Are we talking low liquidity in play or pre off too? Not been in the hoops markets for a while, but there is a 20k lay for Phoenix right now. Not too shabby surely.

all about the fast feeds these day, nothing else

Durant

Jan 26, 2014 -- 9:07PM, fixed wrote:

i can. liquidity is much improved. some markets (1st qurater handicap) didn't even exist back thenone thing that hasn't changed: 3,4,5 years ago people complained about lack of liquidity

Some markets didnt exist back then, but nba games used to have at least 100k matched match odds- pre play! And it was more than 5y ago. No there are some games pre play under 10k. Liquidity is ~80% lower than 5 years ago!

now there are some games pre play under 10k *

Back in the day I could get 5-10K USD matched pre-off on any total at market prices. Now if I leave my bet up all day (first in line)I get a few hundred matched. Quite sad to see whats happened to my all time favourite internet gambling place.

the total amount matched on basketball has gone up compared to 5 years ago

80% down is so ridiculous a comment i'll leave it at that

Jan 30, 2014 -- 9:08PM, fixed wrote:

the total amount matched on basketball has gone up compared to 5 years ago80% down is so ridiculous a comment i'll leave it at that

has gone up? are you crazy?! where do you see an increase?
I'm pointing on match odds market only(total ponts). If you interest is on 1st quarter point then yes. There is an increase, because 1st quarter market didn't exist then!.
Do you see an increase on match odds market? where? 8k matched pre play? La games(clippers), Miami 50k matched pre play? Is this an increase?
I remeber times where 400k where matched pre play!

*I remember times where 400k were matched pre play!

of course you remember a single game out of 1000 a season where the amount matched was bigger than in a random game you pick out of this season because some people tend to use this kind of reasoning to "prove" a point


the total amount matched on basketball has gone up compared to 5 years ago

some games do seem to have very low liquidity

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of course you remember a single game out of 1000 a season where the amount matched was bigger than in a random game you pick out of this season because some people tend to use this kind of reasoning to "prove" a point


the total amount matched on basketball has gone up compared to 5 years ago

This argument is fairly easily solved if someone cares to have a look at the betfair historical data.

Few hours to go (5h)
Match odds market:
boston@lakers
Matched: GBP 810
Everything grows here. Frustration is on a first place ;)

Can't get sh!t matched. Cut the charge BETFAIR and bring back some life to these sorry markets.

"This argument is fairly easily solved if someone cares to have a look at the betfair historical data. "

http://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/28207603/impact-of-pc2-a-look-at-the-factual-numbers?sdb=1&pg=4

year    turnover m    yoy
2008    504   
2009    628    25%
2010    777    24%
2011    940    21%


sustained and healthy growth, turnover almost doubled there
using that the " Liquidity is ~80% lower" statement by mr siwaadupa is about 1000% off the mark

Glad that's cleared up. The next pressing question is does Jason Collins get his own changing room? If not the cheeky devil must have been in heaven this morning. Imagine being let into a lockeroom of professional sports women and watching them shower etc

I used to trade on a basket because that's one of my favorite sports. I guess you must be either a fastest man on a market or just person who sells chewing gums on a sunday market. Im closer to believe in second option. How can it grows up when we have no bets there? there is absolutely no point to stay during a night and wait for a good price. No bets no fun! Easy for me.
Have you seen this video?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrFJQ0iGzw0&list=PLNeG_gj9HzAWMhKkdkZd9z1n6tVjQypWv&index=13
You must be very big fan of it. Hahaha
Liquidity has gone up! hahaha

@fixed liquidity has gone up : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1owcncKCHg&feature=c4-overview-vl&list=PL5CB...

youtube.com/watch?v=M1owcncKCHg&feature=c4-overview-vl&list=PL5CBC9F249F46D3EF

Fixed your stats are for 2011, how about something more prudent say 2012- 2014????????????????????

nah.....we are at 'liqidity up 100%" by quick copy pasting from different thread

your turn to do the data digging if you still cling to your belief, don't you think ??!!

Data? One of the best teams in NBA:
New York - Chicago :
Saturday 6PM- NO main football at this time- 25 k matched(!) on match odds market after first 5 mins in play.
I have never seen that little matched at this time of a day.
You dont need to dig ot at data.betfair.com (Ive tried but its not clear-its not like you going there and see how many bets were placed. You have to add those figures- too much effort) I feel as a trader that basket has dried up.
Do you sell chewing gums or lollipops? Has you business gone up as basket at betfair? Hahaha @fixed.

no but instead of selling i could buy a million gums 1$ a piece !?

and as the guy with all the gums i call the shots: as far as we know over roughly a 5y period basketball liquidity is up 100%, your guesswork has you down 1000% and that's it (barring additional data showing something different)

I THINK BETFAIR VIDEO IS UNDER CUTTING LEAGUE PASS WHEN U CAN HAVE £10 AND WATCH ANY GAME U WANT. GRANTED ITS NOW SUPER HD QUALITY BUT GOOD ENOUGH.

I WASTED £170+ ON THAT **** THATS ALMOST 3 MINS BEHIND

Liquidity is up 100% hahaha! Dont be cynical.
Because I've joined forum in feb 2012 it doesnt mean that I dont know what used to happen here before, son. I used to do basketball and I was making lots of easy money here. Im not able to do it anymore- because it has completely dried up. Go and sell your sweets betfair is too complicated for you son.

This is purely a qualitative analysis, but it seems that liquidity has been a little better in-play since the New Year, though it is up and down on certain days and if there's something else on, like tennis particularly. But there is practically zero matched pre-match. I've given up trying on basketball before the off, and often even until the second half.

yet there is no need for this kind of qualitative analysis as we have the data.

this is amazing. one doesn't need to look any further than this thread to see why 99% of gamblers lose money


also after he obviously left us behind here i'd like to encourage the initial contributor (Mr. -1000%) to use his liquidity expertise on markets more deserving of his time ?! (stock exchange/money markets and of course special advisor to ECB, FED)

courtsiders all over the nba this season

Mar 7, 2014 -- 10:12PM, fixed wrote:

yet there is no need for this kind of qualitative analysis as we have the data.this is amazing. one doesn't need to look any further than this thread to see why 99% of gamblers lose moneyalso after he obviously left us behind here i'd like to encourage the initial contributor (Mr. -1000%) to use his liquidity expertise on markets more deserving of his time ?! (stock exchange/money markets and of course special advisor to ECB, FED)

Does data count when the best you've provided is three years out of date and is therefore totally irrelevant to whether liquidity is higher or lower this year?

More like bots with very fast score feed nugget. Same sadness in most european games as well.

"fast score feed" indeed

hey.janet.quick.update.today.betw.2am.3am.just.2.happy.meals.sold....4y.ago.we.had.a.tuesday.selling.20.in.one.hour....so.1000%.liquidity.drain.need.action.now.....pls.immed.reup.qe.to.150t.a.month.....over.and.out.agent.s.timisoara



courtsiders, fast-data bots different matter....agreed they have taken over most of the (basketball )markets and to discuss this is justified
but overall liquidity is not a problem at all...and anyone using that to complain about the courtsider/bot situation can't be taken seriously

anyone with the username "fixed" should not be taken seriously

Cmon. There are no courtsiders @ NBA

Exactly, bf streams are pretty much up with the market.  Only once the playoffs start will more hoovering start

"bf streams are pretty much up with the market" lol

too funny

The feed that the bots are using are way ahead of streams and even 365s graphics. You have to remove your orders every time the ball passes mid court. The bots totally killed all points markets and makes it visually very hard to trade anything because you have to sort out the bots orders with your eyes all the time.

They use the source like streamservices use, but they are faster as raw material. Thats it! And no bots there. Basketball is not tennis. Ok, in playoffs there is noticable advantage, so possibly there are some courtsiders.

No bots?? For sure..... They operate in most of the European leagues and asian,(South Korea, Philippines).

Why you think they are bots, not real people? I give 90% that they are no bots

nugget     Joined: 04 Nov 05
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too funny

lol

good basketball discussion here

Liquidity is down this week, probably because of the tennis

Ok, maybe the tennis but...35 K matched on Cha @Was at half 4th quarter? The only match over 100 k is BRK @MIA. Unbelievable, what's happening?

is that a joke? Cheltenham more like.

Totals matched have been down for a fortnight at least with a slow downwards trickle having started mid-Feb. Nothing to do with Cheltenham + I don't think the tennis is having that much impact.

Bear in mind that we are in NBA silly season results-wise as we approach the playoffs. Lots of dead rubbers with teams not necessarily putting in 100% - this may be affecting turnover. Also, I do think a chunk of money has been diverted to the sportsbook as they have stepped up their in-play offering, probably grabbing a fair few casuals.

College basketball, which used to have very modest but consistent enough turnover, has become a ghost town recently - it's nigh on impossible to get a bet matched both pre-off and in-play.

March Madness for College and the NBA playoffs will show the true state of affairs re the exchange. I'd be pretty confident that the playoffs will see a big rebound to typical levels in exchange action - we shall see.

still same stupid qualitative 'reasoning'. people just don't get it.

go get the data then ask someone to explain to you what's happening

For sure I won't ask you, since you appear to have no clues.

the real problem is: you don't even know how to ask the right questions

liquidity is a joke this days, you can't simply make some bets in play, you always see the bot that puts 1500€ on back and lay separated by huge distances, like 30 ticks and thats the only money available.

Day by day constant markets with 1500€ available to bet at 1.5 and the next price is at 1.2, lay 1500€ at 1.7 and the next at 2.1

basketball on betfair is dead.

Basketball is an amazing sport to watch to bet and to trade.Usually the most good team wins but also underdogs when they play really good can win easy and all these without big damages for the bettors cause when happen this  u can smell it in the atmosphere.So basketball sure will not die in the betting industry.The problem about betfair is that many southern European countries that really love basketball are out of the exchange due to the gambling laws of these countries(Italia,España,Greece).The only strange is that all these laws have regulated 2 years before but only now seems the problem of liquidity to be more intensive.Any opinions why happen this only now,will be very welcome.

P.s. To be fair with the 'north' people i have to say that exists one country in the north that not only like or love basketball,but there is simply.. more than Religion....and this country is Lietuva(Lithuania).

Well, starting tomorrow we'll have even less liquidity since existing italians account will be terminated - bf stopped allowing registrations from there but they let previous customer to operate. No more, today is the last day.

Well, spanish and italian markets will return. In spain they approved finally the betting exchange and they think they will be operating again before september. Italy and more countries will follow so a little money will return.

In fact, I don't know if some italian could give some light on this

http://www.bettingtraderblog.com/2014/03/betfair-exchange-partenza-10-aprile.html

http://www.bettingtraderblog.com/2014/04/betfair-exchange-domani-la-partenza...

Yep, they are launching an italians only BF platform but with separate liquidity, no sharing of the money with other countries and no betting allowed overnight (!). Don't know about Spain but probably they'll adopt a similar solution. So the river is spreading in different streams, bad for general liquidity. So they aren't returning at all, alas.

The launching of this new platform for italy is exactly the reason italians will disappear here tomorrow. .com account holders will have their account terminated to force them to join the .it.

Are you sure about the different market for liquidity? I searched but didn't saw anything saying how it will be. I opened a thread on general betting to ask also

Yes man, i'm sure. Unluckily that's the truth. The italian market is heavily regulated, the government wants his share of the money and that requires "national liquidity" with iron control on the country players and their money. BF had to buy a license to operate in Italy, it isn't cheap and current regulations don't admit sharing of the money.

There are talks going on about a united market with Spain and France in future. But eventually it will regards poker rooms first(they are in deep crisis because of their "closed gates" policy, not enough players to sustain xx poker rooms in each country). Then - and i'm making a big leap of faith - it may involves bookmakers also in far future. It is years from happening if ever

Heard that also Russia will be "banned" in a few days. Anyone can confirm?

So at the end of the day will only have UK accounts and betfair pushing the classic bookie instead of the exchange more and more every day.

Just look at the NCAA final, under 80.000€ matched in the only basketball game of the night

They are pulling out of many regulated markets.

"Betfair’s withdrawal to regulated markets has taken a further step with the announcement that it will no longer accept new players from Russia.

A company statement to affiliates, seen by pokerfuse, explains that as the result of “recent developments within the Russian market,” the group is “ceasing acquiring customers in Russia as of Friday 11th April 2014.”

The company is also stopping all marketing spending, and removing the Russian language links to its site"

Probably alternative exchanges, not so strict about rules, will have an increase of liquidity.

still, even if you continue to pretend to not understand simple math: basketball liquidity has gone up Up UP


also there are no "alternative exchanges", bf still a monopoly

mass movement of disgruntled gamblers to other places, which has been projected ever since PC introduced in 2008 ?!
well here we are 6y later and: just didn't happen. noooo


but don't be sad, i am pretty sure you are able to ignore these facts

Apr 9, 2014 -- 12:46AM, fixed wrote:

still, even if you continue to pretend to not understand simple math: basketball liquidity has gone up Up UP also there are no "alternative exchanges", bf still a monopolymass movement of disgruntled gamblers to other places, which has been projected ever since PC introduced in 2008 ?! well here we are 6y later and: just didn't happen. noooobut don't be sad, i am pretty sure you are able to ignore these facts

Such a shame that your IQ level hasnt gone up since 2008 :(

Fixed rowing the company boat.

wrong. just like facts better than fiction from punters who have seen their boats sink