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Report whoopi July 7, 2016 4:00 AM BST
So Baird is basically saying that there is now way to implement reforms due to the "quality " of people engaged in the industry.

Monica Monica
Report whoopi July 7, 2016 4:04 AM BST
And he'd be right.

There wouldn't be a person involved in the industry that didn't know the state of play, yet as a group they did nothing.


Kevin, is that you Kevin?
Report HondoLomboHanoverLobell July 7, 2016 4:07 AM BST
This is great news.
Report eight ball July 7, 2016 4:17 AM BST
VIP Foods have already penciled a protest.
Report ghoststory. July 7, 2016 4:31 AM BST
The Sydney lockout laws, No dogs , Roger Rogerson in jail......  geez you have become soft NSW
Report whoopi July 7, 2016 4:38 AM BST
It's funny how SKY haven't mentioned it...........
Report gardenstar July 7, 2016 4:53 AM BST
It got bumped to SKY 2
Report ghoststory. July 7, 2016 4:55 AM BST
As an owner of a couple of "house dishlickers"... ( amazing pets by the way ) the reports section on "wastage" of
somewhere in 50 to 70% range is horrifying...   
Its going to be hard to see how the other states will not fall. If their figures are remotely the same the blow torch will
rightfully be applied.
Report HondoLomboHanoverLobell July 7, 2016 5:13 AM BST
I'm impressed with the maturity and logic that you guys are looking at this issue with. It's just impossible to support the continuation of greyhound racing in NSW without change, and it's pretty much impossible to deny that Greyhound Racing NSW have had ample time to clean their act up but they haven't - including trying to put one over on the State Govt. by having a biased report tabled.

This is what I meant when I said recently that Greyhound Racing won't see 2050, neither with Harness Racing (lack of integrity will get that too), and Thoroughbred Racing will eventually fall mostly because of the behaviour of breeders, but it's hard to argue that whips and spurs are not hurting horses.
Report romper stomper July 7, 2016 5:57 AM BST
I presume then that wastage rates now determine viability....according to Baird.

Guess he will have to ban the EGG INDUSTRY also.......as 50% wastage rate of chicks there also....with no oversight of process!!!!!
Report Live_in_Hope July 7, 2016 6:22 AM BST
live baiting can be exposed and eventually stamped out however the elephant in the room is the fact that thousands of healthy dogs are put down annually. No amount of fostering or adoption will fix this, indeed if someone adopts a greyhound it could mean death row for another dog. I have no idea what the answer is it.
Report HondoLomboHanoverLobell July 7, 2016 6:40 AM BST
The answer is what they've done. The next step is to stop the NSW Govt. developing Wentworth Park. It must stay as open space.
Report roster July 7, 2016 7:52 AM BST
Who cares if they sell off and redevelop Wentworth Park..."Open Space" please.. Sydney crying out for more housing and places for people to live ..better than some landscape come graffiti homeless sleeping campsite ...I say sell or develop the bloody thing , had nothing to do with decision to ban the thing
Report HondoLomboHanoverLobell July 7, 2016 7:58 AM BST
I wouldn't be too sure about that Roster. We need to encourage decentralisation, but make our capital cities bigger.
Report HondoLomboHanoverLobell July 7, 2016 8:01 AM BST
The ACT is also banning greyhound racing.
Report Khan321 July 7, 2016 8:40 AM BST
"Tabcorp expects a significant level of substitution will occur to other wagering product, such as thoroughbred racing, harness racing, sport and animated racing" !!!!

Naturally it took about 15 seconds for a thousand self interests to offer their opinions on using the Wenty Park land.  It's probably impossible for non-Sydneysiders to understand how obsessed they get about land there.
Report HondoLomboHanoverLobell July 7, 2016 8:58 AM BST
Well if the Smiling Assassin and his developer-driven party didn't have a history of selling the people's assets for short-term gain, those of us who are experts at seeing through the assassin's glistening smile wouldn't be so quick to jump to these conclusions, which, unless parties with political nous like the Greens step in, will eventually turn out to be 100% accurate.
Report gardenstar July 7, 2016 9:13 AM BST
They'll just run more meetings in Victoria with the influx of NSW trainers
Report roster July 7, 2016 11:56 AM BST
Shouldn't NSW trainers be banned from running dogs in Victoria or elsewhere ?
The report was on findings in NSW and if the NSW trainers have been the cause of the sports banning then why should they be allowed to train elsewhere.
Bit like Russian athletes banned from Olympics but you allow them to compete in another competition.
Report HondoLomboHanoverLobell July 7, 2016 9:46 PM BST
That's a good point, but don't forget, if they move to other states, it frees NSW of some of our scum.
Report Live_in_Hope July 8, 2016 4:45 AM BST
your understanding of the greyhound industry is on par with your empathy feelings Hondo
Report HondoLomboHanoverLobell July 8, 2016 5:28 AM BST
Thanks Mopey! First compliment I can ever remember you giving me. I appreciate it.
Report zoom_top July 8, 2016 6:21 PM BST
I spoke to an old retired Canberra trainer friend of mine after '4 Corners' and said - well I guess all those in the industry will come into line now that they know the industry is in jeopardy. His reply, "Not a chance". So I guess they must be slow learners.
Report burgess July 8, 2016 11:45 PM BST
When politicians  make a hard call like this they only ask themselves one question. Will it effect me or my family? No.Ok, lets do it.
Report HondoLomboHanoverLobell July 8, 2016 11:56 PM BST
I don't agree with that assessment at all Burgess. You say it's a 'hard call' and then go on to say the only two questions they ask themselves - thus showing how east the call is.

Politicians of different persuasions take many different things into account, the bottom line for conservative politicians and those driven by neo-liberalism,  is often what they will get out of it, but for some it's simply all about what is the right thing to do. This is why Bernie Sanders and Jeremy Corbyn, and the Greens here are so good.
Report Joel July 8, 2016 11:58 PM BST
I wouldn't have thought it was an East call, I thought it was more of an East  South East Call
Report HondoLomboHanoverLobell July 9, 2016 12:03 AM BST
t is next to y on my keyboard. I accidentally typed the wrong letter Joek
Report Joel July 9, 2016 12:19 AM BST
Oh OK
Report henryluca July 9, 2016 5:39 AM BST
Someone remind me;

Why not just suspend/life ban the licence of each and every bad apple.....

What stops the bad apples from getting a licence to operate in another State.

Why not introduce new registration system ..some type of fit and proper person test to be a greyhound licensee...

Would be far less trainers in the short to medium term but would /may introduce new non cheating participants..


ConfusedConfused
Report HondoLomboHanoverLobell July 9, 2016 9:28 AM BST
I truly don't believe that racing greyhounds as a form of entertainment or as a hobby would be destined to last that much longer in human history anyway. Things don't last forever - we don't race charriots like they did in Rome anymore, the Olympics have changed vastly since first invented, and competition sports like football weren't even known 200 years ago. I truly think that greyhound racing would die out in well under 50 years anyway, harness racing also, and thoroughbred racing maybe 50 or so years later. I think the government know that despite this decision upsetting a number of people, the more people pleased with the decision far out-weighs those complaining and so, for them, they've not lost any support in general as those greyhound trainers. owners, punters will still probably vote the way they always have in the past.
Report Joel July 9, 2016 10:23 AM BST
Rubbish. I've always voted Labor and next election I'll be voting Labor, twice.
Report VeryLTU July 9, 2016 1:27 PM BST
so young joel, like old very .... there is somebody living just around the corner from yours... with exactly the same name WinkWhoops
Report HondoLomboHanoverLobell July 9, 2016 9:47 PM BST
Why are you being so intolerant all of a sudden Joel?
Report henryluca July 9, 2016 10:43 PM BST
Zoom Top--

this one is for you - the very memorable finish of the 2010 English Derby..WOW..there's a finish


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9e3xlqmR0U
Report The_KAMIKAZEE_DRINKING_MACHINE July 10, 2016 10:41 AM BST
It's an absolutely disgraceful decision. Sick of bureaucrats thinking they know what's best for the proles out there. Personally I doubt it will happen. I think Baird is about to enter into a world of pain!!
Report Joel July 10, 2016 11:59 AM BST
Where have you been lately?
Report The_KAMIKAZEE_DRINKING_MACHINE July 10, 2016 12:26 PM BST
Same place as usual. At home mostly.
Report Joel July 10, 2016 12:32 PM BST
Is Tommy upset that his cousins will be out of a job soon?
Report The_KAMIKAZEE_DRINKING_MACHINE July 10, 2016 12:37 PM BST
He was at first but then I said then I explained there's a SH1TSTORM about to happen so don't tear up your tickets. This won't go down without a fight.
Report The_KAMIKAZEE_DRINKING_MACHINE July 10, 2016 12:39 PM BST
I reckon every greyhound owner should dump their dog on Baird's front door and let that private school cxnt look after them.
Report The_KAMIKAZEE_DRINKING_MACHINE July 10, 2016 1:04 PM BST
I heard a news report that said '60000 dogs that had been bred to race have been put down over the last 10 years' or whatever. The key thing here is they're bred to race. They're no pets. They're livestock. They're given a chance and if they don't cut it they have to go. Do you think Chris Waller lays awake at night wondering about the fate of all the slow horses? Some animals are bred to be slaughtered and consumed. How long do lambs live? Or veal? How many dogs does the RSPCA put down a year? About 10000. If they're worried about there being too many dogs then maybe the State govt TABS shouldn't run six TAB dog meets a day.

Grubs and subhumans that are cruel to dogs or other animals should be exterminated but there's loads of dog people treat dogs well. It's not up to Baird or any other autocrat to eliminate a part of our culture and history with the flick of a pen. He wouldn't have the guts to take on the Thhoroughbreds. It stinks of elitism and patronising and dismissiveness of a whole section of the community (not a well off section) that he thinks doesn't matter.
Report Joel July 10, 2016 1:19 PM BST
Agreed
Report Joel July 10, 2016 1:20 PM BST
The government don't own the TABS though
Report The_KAMIKAZEE_DRINKING_MACHINE July 10, 2016 1:27 PM BST
If he was morally and righteously opposed why doesn't stop NSW punters betting on interstate greyhounds?
Report The_KAMIKAZEE_DRINKING_MACHINE July 10, 2016 1:45 PM BST
Also dogs love racing even more than good horses love racing.

They should have tracks where any fxcking dog can chase the electric hare. Pay $10 and let you Scnitzu or your Maltese or your Fox Terrier or you Kelpie chase after the the fxcker. They'd love it. Plus the power bill would be low because the throttle would be on SLOW. That's not a bad idea. I should patent it.
Report zoom_top July 11, 2016 1:55 PM BST
The Grading system is to blame - and that's not a joke. In the UK dogs have 120 - 150 starts (not all of them of course) but that is the problem. Too many dogs and not enough races for them to make a quid.(here that is) In the UK the dogs just go down a grade or 2 if uncompetitive. They have 10 grades which means the dogs racing life can be extended like 5 times what happens here. Just compare the 'markets' if you don't believe me. We have like every 2nd race with a 5/4 favourite or worse. For some reason all the Australian owners and trainers just accept the status quo. After about 5 starts here with a handy dog if gets really difficult unless you have a Worth Doing in your kennel.
Report The_KAMIKAZEE_DRINKING_MACHINE July 12, 2016 6:55 AM BST
The SH1TSTORM has begun. Gutless Baird runs away.
Report The_KAMIKAZEE_DRINKING_MACHINE July 12, 2016 7:43 AM BST
I will get my revenge on Baird - Sergei style!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAcw9T8z9AA
Report The_KAMIKAZEE_DRINKING_MACHINE August 11, 2016 2:39 AM BST
Just disgraceful what's happening.
Report The_KAMIKAZEE_DRINKING_MACHINE August 11, 2016 5:19 AM BST
Not only do they want to shut down greyhounds they won't guarantee the tracks will remain open spaces nor legislate any compensation. It's like living in China. Absolute scumbags.
Report Joel August 11, 2016 5:29 AM BST
Agreed.
Report The_KAMIKAZEE_DRINKING_MACHINE August 11, 2016 6:47 AM BST
Their misleading statistics are very annoying also. I love this one-'only 8 countries in the world have greyhound racing." So what. That's about 7 more than play AFL. How is it relevant?
Report henryluca August 11, 2016 7:34 AM BST
Quotes from the Special Commission’s
report

 1.125. “The Commission is satisfied, however,
that, notwithstanding the efforts of GRNSW led
presently by Mr Newson, the problems that the
industry creates - particularly the extent of
wastage in the greyhound racing industry -
cannot be appropriately addressed at the
present time. The Commission’s view is that,
despite the best intention and efforts of the
new management at GRNSW, it appears
unlikely that the issue of the large scale killing
of healthy greyhounds by the industry can be
addressed successfully in the future.”


 1.40. “Important sections of this industry have
little, if any, interest in the socialisation of
greyhounds. Another answer is the culture of
the industry. This is an industry whose
members have not only condoned but have
participated in the mass slaughter of tens of
thousands of healthy greyhounds
simply
because they no longer are, or never were,
able to compete against other dogs.”

 1.42. “It is an industry where, as Chapter 17
details, many trainers appear to prefer cheap
and sometimes painful methods of treating
greyhound injuries
instead of using the
services of qualified veterinary surgeons.


1.55. “Even more disturbing than this evidence
of participants condoning or turning a “blind
eye” to the practice, was evidence that several
high-ranking officials of GRNSW believed thatlive baiting was occurring in the industry. In
September 2009 and March 2010, senior
officials even prepared documents for
meetings of the GRNSW Board which plainly
indicated that the practice continued, yet
senior management took no adequate steps to
investigate and stop the practice.”


 1.60. “In Chapter 4 of this Report, the
Commission finds that GRNSW engaged in
the conduct knowingly and with the intention of
sanitising the information that became
available to the public concerning injuries
suffered by greyhounds.
The motive for the
policy was the hope that, by doing so,
substantial criticism of the greyhound racing
industry in NSW could be avoided.”

 3.307. “Given these views, and the highly
entrenched nature of live baiting as a
traditional training method,
there is a very real
risk that, once the harsh spotlight of this
Commission is removed from the industry, the
practice of live baiting will thrive once more. It
is imperative that regulators take all available
steps to try to ensure that this does not occur.
That said, as history suggests, there is reason
for pessimism on this front.
Report henryluca August 11, 2016 7:40 AM BST
Animal cruelty is something that is no longer tolerated by a community at large....

Given the findings described as findings of fact not sure of any other alternative .IMO a new licencing system ..with a fit and proper person test more appropriate but the elected govt chose a more harder line approach ..so be it.


The Special Commission of Inquiry found overwhelming evidence of systemic animal cruelty, including mass greyhound killings and live baiting. The inquiry's report concluded that the NSW Greyhound Racing Industry has fundamental animal welfare issues, integrity and governance failings that can not be remedied.
Report The_KAMIKAZEE_DRINKING_MACHINE August 11, 2016 7:45 AM BST
What a load of sh1t.
Report Joel August 11, 2016 7:50 AM BST
Agreed
Report henryluca August 11, 2016 7:51 AM BST
I assume you mean the findings of Commissioner McHu​gh AC QC --- The Special Commission of Inquiry.

They are what they are...if s any thing to dispute these findings then put it forward otherwise ...venting is healthy even unsubstantiated venting.....
Report henryluca August 11, 2016 8:04 AM BST
When New South Wales Premier Mike Baird announced the ban last month, he said his decision was based on the findings of a scathing report by former High Court Judge Michael McHugh about cruel and illegal practices in the industry.

Representing the NSW Breeders, Owners and Trainers' Association, barrister David Bennett QC told the NSW Supreme Court in Sydney the report was unreasonable and contained many statistical errors.

He also said it included flawed calculations on how many greyhounds are destroyed every year.

Mr Bennett slammed the reliance of the Special Commission of Inquiry report on the concept of a "social licence" saying it was "a very heavily denigrated figure of speech with no validity of any kind, yet [it was] relied on as main aspect of the report".

He also claimed there were a number of factual errors contained in the report.
Report whoopi August 11, 2016 8:08 AM BST
Let's give all greyhound trainers a lie detector with one question; Do you believe live kills make a greyhound chase harder?

There wouldn't be one that answered no and passed.

Mr. Drinking Machine I have been in the company of trainers who casually throw live animals into dog pens.

These are not good people that you're getting worked up over.

Monica Monica
Report whoopi August 11, 2016 8:31 AM BST
And that's the point of banning the industry. That belief is so entrenched that it will continue no matter what.

What blokes like Hadley fail to understand is that most trainers have large properties with their own hand slip tracks. ALL of them would be using live kills to "sharpen" their dogs because they believe that as strongly as you believe that the sun will rise in the morning.

The one's that were caught on 4 corners were only doing what THE WHOLE INDUSTRY believes works.

They are pond scum.

Kevin, is that you Kevin?
Report VeryLTU August 12, 2016 1:17 PM BST
the animal libbers didn't take long to switch their attention back to thoroughbreds, they were at sandown last week parading their standard stupidity .. but this time no tv network cameras Grin. Let's hope they don't discover how many transferrals happen in the thoroughbred industry each year ... because then the same rationale could be used by a factually correct commissioner to write another factually correct, but stupid, report on the racing industry.
Report gardenstar October 11, 2016 12:51 PM BST
Wow a backflip. No one saw that coming Mischief
Report zoom_top October 11, 2016 1:30 PM BST
All the owners and trainers will 'toe the line' and everybody will be happy. Oh, and I will win on Betfair while whistling "When will they ever learn" by The Seekers.
Report henryluca October 11, 2016 10:58 PM BST
Most likely or a contributing factor is the legal advice it is in contravention of the 'freedom of trade between the states' provisions of the Australian Constitution ....and the perceived back flip  is actually to avoid a costly and embarrassing loss in the  COURTS
Report HondoLomboHanoverLobell October 12, 2016 1:53 AM BST
I think this signals the end of Mike Baird. He can hardly save face after this. Combined with the multitude of public asset sell-offs, the very unpopular council mergers and now this, he's surely on his way out.

Another thing that it shows is that the Liberal/National Coalition is run by a group of back-bench bullies who have on only one day stamped their control at State level in NSW, and also at Federal level by not allowing a vote on the floor of parliament about marriage equality. Who would vote for a party run by scumbags like that?
Report zoom_top October 12, 2016 3:45 AM BST
Interesting too, that a well known radio talkback commentator can actually run a state or at the very least contribute to persuading government on major issues.
Report HondoLomboHanoverLobell October 12, 2016 5:09 AM BST
Yeah - can't wait until AJ karks-it.
Report whoopi October 12, 2016 5:23 AM BST
Maybe he'll die of shame.

Monica Monica
Report henryluca October 12, 2016 5:30 AM BST
not allowing a vote on the floor of parliament about marriage equality.

A matter of such social  importance  must be taken to the silent majority --- imo--- than  the  pro gay media and social media voices wanting to talk on everyone's behalf

Fabric of society stays in tact for another day

gamble responsibly
Report whoopi October 12, 2016 10:29 PM BST
When fishing one needs to keep one's bait fresh.

Rancid bait that has been baking in the midday sun won't attract fish.

It's only useful when fishing for 'gators.

Kevin, is that you Kevin?
Report The_KAMIKAZEE_DRINKING_MACHINE October 14, 2016 2:35 PM BST
You're not happy about the reversal Zoom Top?
Report zoom_top October 14, 2016 5:13 PM BST
On the contary, K D M, I've been backing dogs since Worth Doing went around. (what a dog ! ) Have switched to UK dogs but will now resurrect my Wenty spreadsheets and life will go back to normal. On the 'whispering in the ear thing' maybe Al could now turn his attention to Donald now that he's struck gold for not only the punter but for regional NSW. btw buggered if I know what the previous two posts were - Henry are you on the right thread ?
Report henryluca October 15, 2016 12:42 AM BST
Responded to ding a ling's  reference to marriage equality 1.53

Wink

Funny the older I  get the more I like to bait...WHOOPI'S with me with his bait reference
Report The_KAMIKAZEE_DRINKING_MACHINE October 15, 2016 2:45 AM BST
"It's an absolutely disgraceful decision. Sick of bureaucrats thinking they know what's best for the proles out there. Personally I doubt it will happen. I think Baird is about to enter into a world of pain!!"


So my prediction made on 10 July is correct. I wish my racing predictions were just as accurate.
Report Joel October 15, 2016 2:51 AM BST
Baird is a prick. My farewell to Dapto dogs tour has been cancelled :(
Report The_KAMIKAZEE_DRINKING_MACHINE October 15, 2016 3:07 AM BST
Where's my well done? I have to continually congratulate you on your endless Cup winners but you can't squeeze out a measly WD for my stunning insight into this issue.
Report Joel October 15, 2016 3:16 AM BST
Well done Nostradamus.
Report The_KAMIKAZEE_DRINKING_MACHINE October 15, 2016 10:11 AM BST
BTW I've stepped up my turnover on NSW greyhounds to over half a mill a week just to show my support.


I still hope the Nats get smashed in Orange just to teach the cxnts a lesson.

BTW I've had sex in Orange. Many times.
Report gardenstar October 15, 2016 10:41 AM BST
I prefer to do it in darker colours
Report The_KAMIKAZEE_DRINKING_MACHINE October 15, 2016 10:57 AM BST
Sounds creepy.
Report henryluca October 15, 2016 11:01 AM BST
Curiously I am still laughing

PS

Dear Optimist, Realist and Pessimist

While you arguing about the glass of water I drank it...LaughWink

Signed Henry the Oportunist
Report The_KAMIKAZEE_DRINKING_MACHINE October 15, 2016 12:21 PM BST
What are you on about?
Report The_KAMIKAZEE_DRINKING_MACHINE October 15, 2016 12:45 PM BST
There is an Ag College in Orange where there are loads of HORNY and lonely young ladies some far from home who are more than pleased to share their College provided bed in their 'digs' with all manner of drunks that happen upon them.
Report The_KAMIKAZEE_DRINKING_MACHINE October 15, 2016 12:47 PM BST
A similar facility exists in Bathurst. Also Hawkesbury Ag although it's called something different these days.
Report Joel October 15, 2016 1:02 PM BST
May I have the address?
Report The_KAMIKAZEE_DRINKING_MACHINE October 15, 2016 1:08 PM BST
GOOGLE it. Don't LOB UP in your Fiat you'll get no RESPECT. Borrow a MALOO for the weekend.
Report Joel October 15, 2016 1:09 PM BST
That's funny because I just sent a message to Malou
Report Joel October 15, 2016 1:10 PM BST
Malou means shy in phillipino
Report The_KAMIKAZEE_DRINKING_MACHINE October 15, 2016 1:15 PM BST
I'm surprised the word shy exists in Philllipino.
Report henryluca October 15, 2016 1:20 PM BST
Ag college is code for NSW correctional centreS
Report Joel October 15, 2016 1:23 PM BST
I see
Report The_KAMIKAZEE_DRINKING_MACHINE October 15, 2016 1:27 PM BST
That's about as an accurate description of an Ag College as your descriptions of Australian sports.
Report Joel October 15, 2016 1:31 PM BST
I beg your pardon?
Report The_KAMIKAZEE_DRINKING_MACHINE October 15, 2016 1:32 PM BST
You know what I mean.
Report Joel October 15, 2016 1:34 PM BST
OK
Report henryluca October 15, 2016 1:39 PM BST
loads of HORNY

Curiously the word horny is in capitals

Is 'HORNY' hornier than just 'horny'

Confused

Perhaps honey I m 'HORNY' gets more response than a limp sounding honey i m 'horny'

Wink
Report zoom_top October 15, 2016 1:43 PM BST
So Henry you're obviously getting it or you're very frustrated !
Report The_KAMIKAZEE_DRINKING_MACHINE October 15, 2016 1:54 PM BST
Zoom Top. Repeat after me. "Thank you AJ (or RH) for helping PenisHead to see sense."
Report henryluca October 15, 2016 1:56 PM BST
BlushBlushWink
Report zoom_top October 16, 2016 1:29 AM BST
Whoopi's right. His description of the participants is on the money. It's a story of 'SEATS floating down the river' and corrupt practices. Two incompatible issues you might say, but hey, what used to be normal .... I made heaps out of Reg Kay's dogs and Darren McDonald and Tom Noble, the list goes on. 4 corners haven't done me any favours ! So its OK for me to sleep at night but AJ needs to have a good long look at himself in the mirror - he knew !!!!
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