Is Paul Roos taking Melbourne on, or for a ride ?

You are kidding mate they're style of playing has improved already  its going to take a very long time, most of those players are totally devoid of confidence and they were unquestionably one of the worst teams in history, it takes a long time to for fitness levels, skill levels to reach the required standard while at the same time learning a completely different style of play and achieving the levels of professionalism required to succeed.  What did you think was going to happen today, they always going to be nothing but witches hats against the eagles who ar at  the very least a top 8 team the gap between those sort of teams and the bottom of the barrel is a gaping chasm.
Seriously think about what you;re actually saying before writing it., Paul Roo's is nothing but professional and if anyone is capable of resurrecting them it's him. Just building self belief and the confidence to take the instinctive first option alone is going to take a lot of time.
Anyone who thought Roo'swas just going to come in and wave a magic wand was seriously delusional.

Already there is evidence that he's getting through to them, they produced a couple of really nice ball movements during that game and there is no doubt that their repeated defensive efforts are better than last year already but it certainly isn't going to happen overnight.

Agreed letsy.
"it won't happen overnight but it will happen."
There is going to be plenty of blowouts this year.

50yrs since a flag.....it certainly isn't happening overnight! I think he is there for the wrong reasons..money! Anyway we'll revisit this later and see who is right

Tyre
What other reason exists in Sport in this era ?

Yes but he never wanted the job and they just said how much

I was a sounding board for Paul before he took the job and he is very, very committed to turning Melbourne around

Just pack and go to Tassie.  As least The Demons will salvage something.

Worst list in afl, closley followed by Carlton.
Did same mistake as Carlton while rebuilding blew it all on older players

Dont panic Dee's fans--Roos is in the first year of a 347 year plan

If anyone had any doubt that Paul Roos is the only man for the toughest job perhaps in football history then surely that doubt was removed once and for all after watching him on 360 on Monday night, he spoke brilliantly and outlined exactly what he needed to achieve and the difficulties associated with the task at hand.

great coach but he needs the players to make it work - really needs to find some forwards

As a diehard demon supporter for 50 years we have had some brilliant big forwards over the years ,but they all (excepting David Neitz )end up breaking down.
At Hawthorn they grow on trees and flourish.Makes me sick.

And now Mitch Clark has retired... When is the misery going to end for us Melbourne supporters

Dont panic Charkitz--Paul Roo's is only 3 weeks into a 18,044 week plan--or 347 years...

And James Frawley wants 600k+ to sign a new contract with melb
James pls

If they offer me 5 bucks,Ill start training tonight---When it stops raining.
Im not a very good wet tracker

Chris Dawes is the great white hope

ffs.

and he's on 500k?pls

Ok--3 Bucks...---Can I train in raincoat

in a

Very slim draft returns from the tanking years 2008-09, in 2010-11 the draft was dominated by the Suns & Giants.
http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/td-melbourne-demons?year=2008
http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/td-melbourne-demons?year=2009

Between 2000-02 St.Kilda drafted Riewoldt, Koschitzke, Ball, Del Santo, Montagna and Goddard and still missed on a flag.

Melbourne are doomed.

Roo's has been there 6 months and they're still in free fall. Carlton yes Carlton will beat them by 10 goals plus. Lets Elope Melbourne supporters have seen nothing yet to suggest he's the great white hope. Lets elope give me a prediction on which round Melb will win a game!

I can't see Melbourne FC existing in 347 weeks time let alone 347 years... The club is cursed...

Can count on one hand the amount of times I've felt real joy being a Melbourne supporter, and that includes all the matches my Dad took me to as a kid. Man even then we used to get obliterated by 100+ points on a regular basis

It's doubtful we'll win a game this season imo, reckon it's about time Betfair opened a market on whether we will or not...

Roos knew he was in for a tough gig but I think he underestimated just how low we are, I wonder if he could take back time whether he'd still accept the job given how it's panned out so far...

Freo would pay that in a heartbeat for Frawley as would GWS, Dogs, Bombers, etc, etc.
Quality big defenders don't grow on trees and he would slot into any good club lacking a quality tall defender or as club that has one who is on the verge of retirement. Realistically what incentive has he got stay at Melbourne, another three of years of misery, there's no way known I would be staying. A player like Frawley would be absolutely craving success and having the opportunity to play in a real team rather than a dysfunctional mess would be extremely appealing.

None. think it will be a complete duck egg mate any side would have to have a very off day, can't see anyone they will remotely come close to beating and Melbourne have become so poor that there's a humiliation factor that works against them as any club that loses to them will be the laughing stock of the league

They may be a little chance against the eagles next time.

They'll could beat the suns at the g in 2 weeks,or brizzy in round 19

IMO

Hmm gunna send Betfair an email and see if I can get a market happening on whether Melbourne will win a game this season. If I can get a back on no it might ease the pain a bit if it happens lol

Beat the suns??--You on medication BT--G Ablett could beat melboune by himself--doesnt need 21 little helpers..Gold coat by minimum 10goals--If weather and ground dry,will be 20 goals...

Yeah but Dawes might be back by then

Lets Elope said :-

You are kidding mate they're style of playing has improved already Already there is evidence that he's getting through to them, they produced a couple of really nice ball movements during that game and there is no doubt that their repeated defensive efforts are better than last year already.

Ive produced at least 16 good ball movements while sitting at my computer--Doesnt mean ive
improved my life in any way shape or form from last year ..ps--Not that theres anything wrong with that

My question is what if Mitch Clark suddenly overcomes his depression in a year or so and decides he wants to play AFL footy again and is fit and healthy he's 27 or 28 is a proven big forward you can guarantee that there are some clubs who would be happy to take the chance on him. He's uncontracted as his contract has been paid out, what's stopping him from in a years time going to play with a genuine contender for base contract plus incentives?

Not saying that he would but theoretically it could happen.

I would be depressed too if I had injuries and had to play for Melbourne as well, for those who think that's in poor taste it is said very much tongue in cheek but those facts alone are enough to make anyone feel depressed

The frightening thing is that they have improved in some aspect everyone else has just improved much more and they weren't counting on losing Mitch Clark along the way prior to the season.

in some aspects

Lets Elope is correct here. 

What did people expect from a team who have the close to the weakest list and several very crucial players missing from one part of the ground, and on top of that learning a radically new game plan?

I would think we could see a series of very respectable performances from Melbourne later in the season if they get any joy with injuries at all.  That is just cruel to lose 3 good quality tall forward options like they did.

You take the best 3 tall forwards off any list in the lower bracket of the league and see how they go.  The melbourne players are flooding back, winning the ball at times, looking up and seeing something like Shannon Byrnes with a taller opponent on two extra defenders nearby.  They just don't have a reliable way around that right now.

Give Demons a more normal injury profile, say losing Clarke, one midfielder and one decent defender, their team might look like this:

Terlich Frawley Trengove

McDonald Garland Grimes

Blease N Jones M Jones

Toumpas Dawes Howe

Kennedy-Harris Hogan Spencer

Jamar Tyson Vince

i/c  Bail Cross Evans Michie


Injured Dunn, Watts, Viney, Clarke

I reckon even with Clarke gone, and three first choice players missing, about an average amount for a team during the season, this team I have named would start to look competitive later in the season as they become more accustomed to playing together.  We are not talking about them beating challengers here but more than capable of competing with 12-17 level clubs, which would seem like a decent step forward.  You start adding a few more high draft picks and some strategically selected free agents over a couple of seasons and you have the makings of a truly competitive team.  And the teams with salary cap space will be able to lure good free agents. 

Roos cannot be held responsible for the playing list right now and especially not for the crippling injury list.  He is there teaching Melbourne how to set up a successful footy club and three rounds is not even near enough to judge whether they are heading int he right direction.

I can't see any reason why Melbourne won't improve over the coming years.  Where it takes them, who knows.

Could have got Alan Richardson for half the price at least. May not have the profile now, but judging on St Kilda's early form he looks like another Ken Hinkley.

No way would they have got another guy who hadn't coached before..

IMO

Mate you are kidding Roos is about the only guy who can resurrect them and even with him at the helm it's going to take a very long time, just to get them to consistently train in a professional manner is going to take a very long time for that lesson to be learned and consistently adhered to. Dee's haven't so much gone backward as everyone else has improved again as well which is why in my opinion some clubs such as the dogs, north etc have been caught out in early games when they thought they were training hard by last season standards but the problem is that bar has been lifted again, there's no doubt that some clubs i.e. hawks, bombers etc, have taken pre season fitness to a new level again.

I get what you guys are trying to say but I honestly think you need to be a Melbourne supporter to truly realise how hopeless our situation is... It's a frightful mess. Don't think anyone's arguing that Roos isn't the man for the job but he'd need atleast 5 years to turn this club around

But the fact he's only committed to 2 years is a killer blow. It's pretty hard to convince players to stay on when they don't really have any idea what direction the club will be heading in in 2 years time. They must be thinking what's the point in learning Rooseys gameplan when someone else will come in and start all over again

And the culture of the club is the real problem, not the players. Why is it that of all the top 5 draft picks we've had none of them develop properly, regardless of who the coaching staff were at the time ie Travis Johnstone, Brock McLean, Colin Sylvia, Cale Morton, Trengrove, Watts etc whereas players such as Scott Thompson, Darren Jolly, Jared Rivers etc all of a sudden become guns when they go elsewhere.

I don't think a player that has played at Melbourne in the last 15 years has reached anywhere near their full potential. If you were a player about to get drafted by an AFL club you'd be praying not to get picked up by Melbourne.

There's no doubt that Tom Scully and Scott Thompson left because of our poor culture and I also wonder if the likes of Wonnemeari, Liam Jurrah and Mitch Clarke would still be in the system if they hadn't have ended up at our club. Even the way we treated our most loyal players such as Brad Green, Cameron Bruce and James McDonald was despicable, treating your most loyal servants the way they did only only adds more toxins to a an already toxicated culture.

I really believe it'd take Roosey atleast 5 seasons to turn the clubs culture around, maybe more

This may well have already been said I haven't read everything posted, Melbourne need a complete rebuild, which is very hard to comprehend given the quality of the people that have been around the club, Tom Scully left because of the culture in the playing group, he arrived at the club and could not believe how unprofessional the playing group was, I believe it took a few weeks for him to arrive at this opinion. Paul Roos has been bought in to try and set up the Sydney model at the Melbourne football club hence why the club want the next coach around to build on that as Horse has at Sydney, what happens on the field is window dressing, the tail has waged the dog for far to long

Couldn't have said it better crow.

Lets spot on here no doubt

Tyre give it all a spell,,,,you would winge no matter what was happening

The first thing Jamie Bennell said when he arrived at the Eagles after having been cast adrift by the demons like so much rubbish having done his knee and being out of contract at just 21 years of age was that he couldn't believe the difference in professionalism across the board but especially in training standards and that was last year and the Eagles have gone to another level in regard to training again this year under Simpson, there is a gaping chasm between the standards in professionalism that exist at the consistently successful top clubs and a few not all but a few other clubs.

That's hardly a new thing at Melbourne though. When Chris Heffernan and Gary Moorcroft both joined Melbourne in 2003 they both noted how they couldn't believe the difference in professionalism between Essendon and Melbourne and that was at a time when we were playing finals every second year.

Since then I can't remember a single Melbourne player joining another club and not commenting on how much more professional their new club is. It's gunna take a long time to undo the unprofessional culture that exists at Melbourne now.

There's a big gap between the top 4 teams and the teams from about 12th to 17th. Then there's another massive gap down to where Melbourne is. Make no mistake, Roos won't have the time to lay down the necessary foundations to make us a successful club again unless he extends his contract to 4 years minimum

It's not always a matter of one person doing the whole job.  To make radical positive changes to the way a large group of people behave and perform is a difficult and energy sapping task.

It is not something you can expect one person to complete start to finish.  It is more a case of getting many people to contribute something positive in sequence, one thing at a time.  I've been involved in attempted resurrections at country sports clubs. 

The first thing you need is sensible people making decisions off the field.  Then they need good support from people prepared to pitch in.  Then you need a training culture that improves players know how, skills and fitness and the team's performance.  Then everything falls into place, sometimes quickly and sometimes more slowly.  What you find is new people come to your unfashionable club and like the way things are set up, and then you know you are on the right track.

What a lot of clubs do is try to layer playing talent over an administration making poor decisions and a poor training culture that improves nobody.  It appears Melbourne have been guilty of this.  But now they appear to me to be putting the right things in place.  If they stay on the right track then substantial improvement is inevitable.

Received a reply from Betfair re the market I requested will Melbourne win a game this season yes/no. Apparently they can't offer it due to regulations regarding AFL markets. Does this mean they think Melbourne have the ability to pick and choose when they lose??

Do your own market just keep laying them at every opportunity in each games if you dont think think they'll win a game all season and keep all upping the initial outlay you should end up with a reasonable amount by the end of the season especially if they're in a match and look competitive, lay them in the run etc, etc. All you're risking is your initial outlay be it a 100, 1000 or whatever.

Meh don't want to back against my own team week in week out, just wanted a consolation prize should we happen to go through season winless. I try to back us at the line reguarly enough but even that rarely works out favourably, just gotta pray that it all turns around I guess

what odds do u want for a winless season then?

$13.50

I would take some what less than that

So would I but doesn't hurt to ask for more... What would you price it at?

Someone has to say it...

I'll give you $1.75 Charkitz.

Really? There's every chance Melbourne will be $1.75 favs when they play Brisbane later in the year. Maybe less... Home game against GWS etc and the odds go up pretty quickly when you accumulate them

two chances against the lions none and buckleys

Like you, I thought it doesn't hurt to ask for slightly better value than where you think the correct price is...

But honestly, $13.50, you are trying to steal the food from my as yet unconceived children's mouths.  By the time I meet the mother, I will be a pauper if I lay odds like that.  I will meet you half way, you can have $1.95.

$12.50, final offer.

Otherwise I'll wait till after Carlton game, if it's wet weather footy we could actually win this game, it takes our lack of talls out of the equation a bit, 1st quarter is crucial, if we're 3 goals down at quarter time we'll wave our white flag pretty vigorously I'd imagine. Then it'll just turn into a confidence booster for Carlton

What a piss poor unit you've been cursed with Charkitz. even the women's curse gives them a break when they hit their 50s.

I remember at primary school footy day, seeing a kid in a Melbourne jumper it was like seeing a narwhale.

Not sure where they meet but on a heavy track they could beat the Lions or Bulldogs...maybe...

Fk that...just beat Caaaaaarlton and give us all a reason to cheer.

Lol spoon

Yep my old mans fault, had me all kitted up in Demons gear before I could even walk. Should I ever have a son there's no way known I'll be putting him through that hell!

It's pretty sad but if we beat Carlton and lose every game for the rest of the season I'd take that right now. That's how low my expectations are

Carlton should wallop us really but stranger things have happened. 2 seasons ago we played Essendon in round 10 think it was. We hadn't won a game all season and they had only lost once. We beat them, albeit with a bit of luck, if my memory serves me correctly it was wet weather footy on that occasion too. Nothing like taking the skill out of the contest to give us a chance

Never in any shadow there Charkitz. 

The extra tall forward helped straighten them up a fair bit.  And they seemed to have more purpose and pattern in their play than the hapless Blues, who couldn't seem to find any fluency in their play at all. 

I still maintain with a decent run of injuries the Dees could be up competing with all teams in the lower third of the ladder by second half of the season.

God knows who is going to save Carlton.  I think they had a tough preseason with operations and injuries and their season looks a wipeout now.

wheres mr postive tyre????

$13.50 doesn't look like such a bad lay now eh Junior? . Glad betfair never bought a market out for it That win has made our season, doesn't matter what happens now lol

To be fair though didn't see today coming either, underestimated just how bad Carlton are. We were terrible of course but Carlton were beyond disgraceful, no fight at all, listless in fact bar a few players

And did I say we could start as a $1.75 favourite against Brisbane later in the season? Think we'll be lucky to be any more than $1.40

Paul Roos must be a genius

Dawes AND Watts a beautiful tandem

Apr 12, 2014 -- 9:13AM, nickw wrote:

wheres mr postive tyre????

flat tyre

Time to revisit this.

Yep he needs to stay on for another three years, they've gone backward again after making some real progress. Think they need to offload Watts while he's still got some real currency (best for both parties, he would invaluable at a good club)and keep Vince and Jones obviously and maybe one or two of the older bad era players but the rest just have to go it's a taint that's still lingering over the club.
The younger players were carrying them earlier but they've inevitably run out of steam and they're group is slipping back into the same old negative mindset, those players just have to be cleaned out and Roo's needs to stay at least another year if not on top of his existing contract to complete the task otherwise they may as well fold them up now.
Another season like this next season and Hogan and co. will say there's no way I'm going to stay here and waste my career putting up with this shiit and if they start to lose this next generation of talent it will be an unmitigated disaster and they may as well pack them up.

He's had two years on 1.5 million and I think he's contracted for one more before the handover is to take place. Number crunchers at Melbourne must be getting concerned about the last 2 weeks and its impact. Media give him an armchair ride when really he should now be under the pump

On AFL360 still blaming the ghosts of the past and distancing himself from it

Mate when he took over the joint was total basketcase, three years was never going to be enough.

In the 2009 draft Melbourne had 4 picks before Fremantle took Fyfe at pick 20.Scully, Trengrove,Gysbert and Tapscott. GULP.

Scully, Trengrove,Gysbert and Tapscott

Who are these people you speak of??

Pretty sure they were the first to reach the South Pole on foot.

History..., but one, of my many passions.

Thanks for clearing that up Spoon. I was thinking they perished on Everest in the great disaster of 96. But I remember now, that was Gibbs, Murphy, Kreuzer and Thomas

Happy to help the common people, Rhinoid.

My mum thinks I'm special.

Almost as stupid as the first lot eating their dogs at the half way mark, the second lot should never have attempted their

foolhardy mission. Kreuzer and Thomas were gimps and the other two had hearts the size of a quails.

She KNOWS you're special.

Spoon did you happen to see who's risen from the ashes like a phoenix on the north are great pretenders thread

Nope

check it out, AD has risen from the dead

Surely he's offered you his Finals tickets.

Surely it's the least he could do.

Shirley he's not serious

Jerk off sport

111 point defeat in his last game as coach. Improvement ?? The only thing that has improved is his bank balance!

Your kidding tyre aren't you

They've made enormous improvement again this season and just two weeks ago were a slim chance of making the eight!!!

Roos has done a miraculous job, they've played some impressive, exciting, footy this year, the last two weeks they've clearly just run out of steam and perhaps the expectation got to some of them.

Dee's fans should be building a monument to Roos for what he has managed to achieve remembering the staggering level of complete and utter incompetence they've risen from. 

JC himself or herself or itself would have been struggling to do a better job in such a relatively short period of time.