INTER DOMINION 2014

yep, to his credit he turned the tables from the last time they met, maybe because he's racing better? maybe because of the inside of the track? maybe because he was better on the night?... who knows

Maybe because he's the heir apparent at the very least locally to quinny, is better than those horse despite the tactics of and however many runners a certain stable has and the fact that you don't get paid for winning trials. Yet again it did all the work and was too good, wonder if they've learned their lesson yet and will hand up to it next time rather than back one of theirs to beat it.

that should have read as better than those horses last night

Lets he would go around in Ballarats FFA tonight a $5 Chance
He has always going to be a good horse but just cant step up when it counts.
I was on the 2.40 last night as they where Adelaide FFAs he was against.
WA Racing i getting weaker every year.

But who are these horses he's beating, never heard of them

Northview Punter very smart on his night and trialled very well beating Davd Hercules in 1.55 something at Byford last Sunday apparently, so he's obviously come back from his spell in top order and may have improved again.

how could Northview Punter have improved when the last time he raced David Hercules (feb 21) DH sat outside him and couldn't beat him?

mmmm...

spelled and clearly has come back in good order as northview has never trialled that good publicly ever to my knowledge. Hercules that night in question was three wide for the first lap without cover working extremely hard while northview punter went straight to the front and really rolled along  which was why hokinui ben was able to charge home from second last to get over them both, David Hercules was monstrous that night and despite doing all the work was still only btn a half length by northview punter and was again closing strongly strongly in the last 50m. Incidentally that night because of the draw I bet around hercules as knew Northview would lead comfortably and that Hercules would have to do a heap of work. Not to mention they went 1.55.8 for the 2500m that night. Northview Punter was also rock hard fit that night and he was first up the other night and although he invariably runs well fresh so yes it's a fair assumption to surmise that he's improved and come back a better horse.

If you're going to make a smart arrse comment gatespeed do yourself a favour and at least go back and watch the replay first in future as you might then avoid making, how shall we say this, an error in judgment?

all the trial form is available mate, right there at a click of a button, let me know if you have trouble looking it up

and if you don't mind, that memory recollection of yours is well, astounding. If there is any literature, tools, etc that allow one to remember thought process so vividly from 6 months ago id appreciate if you can point me in the right direction

thanks

I was pretty sure It had worked hard as when I saw who had won the race as Hokonui is one of my favourite horses as he's been very good to me and thought he was massive overs that night given his run in the inters heat at his first start for Aldo and how the race was likely to be run. I still went back and checked the replay though just to confirm what I had thought had occurred. Yes I have a photographic memory for horse and things I want to remember plus useless trivia but can't remember when asked to turn the oven on at 4.30pm, as can be very absent minded.
Apologies as thought you were trying to be smart arrse.
Am well aware where you can find the trials,  I often exchange views with a few who watch them but unless I'm there to see them for myself which I haven't done for ages or watch them on video I consider them but don't give them too much weight unless the time are quick, however I pay far more attention to gallops trials and have found many, many, winners out of them. I don't bet on trots when there's not a lot of exposed form unless I specifically know something.

Plus at the trots if you know certain trainers patterns and certain horses you pretty much know how they're likely to perform first up.

I think you can get a very big edge if you know what you're looking for in a gallops trial whereas at the trots pretty much everyone can see if a horse has trialled well. That's my opinion and I'm sure some will disagree with it but it works for me.

Lloydy I know this forum is mainly populated with Victorian harness people and my comments may upset a few but your comment is plainly ridiculous in my opinion

For all the hype around every promising Victorian youngster which is always going to be a superstar Victoria fares no better at the top echelon than any other state.

I had a list of 10 WA horses over the years and there is no way Victoria could match it

I am of no doubt both David Hercules and Northview Punter will compete very well over the next few years against Victoria's best let alone be $5 in a Ballarat FFA but time will tell

Just as an aside what a cracking race it was on Friday night and whilst David Hercules did it tougher and triumphed Northview Punter was first up and will go a lot better when 100% fit

It may have improved again Craig but in the past it has shown it can be a little weak at times Northview when things don't go its way but it definitely looks to have returned in better form as it fought on pretty well after having a relatively easy time in front early. Thought it was the perfect drive by Woodley as he started to niggle away at Northview  with a lap to go and really served it up to him soon afterwards a fair way out and although it only won by a couple of metres or so I think it was pretty comfortable in the end

Judging by the way the trial watchers were spruiking it craig I would say Northview which invariably goes well fresh was pretty forward on friday night

interesting to see how it turns out

on face value craig think Northview may have come back a bit stronger and more mature racehorse but time will tell as there's no doubt at times he's shown real potential but has also been very disappointing on occasion.

Keeyang Cullan is Flying at Moment.
His stable mate is just about ready to Race and is better.
DH would of been crossed last night and given no hope
What i think anyway
David Hercules is like Flashing Red

Craig ............. in a race from even draws how would you price up David Hercules against Keayang Cullen and Restrepo?

I would say something like:

KC 1.7
RE 6.0
DH 6.5

leaving a little % for the rest

I think Lloydy quoted unders DH actually

he has far more high speed than Flashing Red

lloydy I agree keyang is going well but Restrepo clearly isn't at this stage of his prep and appears well below his best and am yet to see anything from Magical Telf that suggest he's a real top horse for mine, (albeit I haven't seen  a lot of Magical Telf but what I've seen certainly hasn't grabbed me) Keyang got a 61.2 first half that's walking in anyone's language for that class of horse in front well at least it is in WA so naturally he's run home very quick as you would expect a horse of ability to do with that sort of run in front.

Give David Hercules the same run in front and he wins just as easily if not easier for mine.

Think Keyang's a nice horse who's definitely continued to improve but doubt he could withstand the pressure that David Hercules would apply to him and still win and while they may well end up bringing each other undone if that was the case I would still give the nod to David Hercules but that's mere conjecture at this stage but I would confidently say that David Hercules could sit on Keyang's back and get over him and while I wouldn't be confident that Keyang could do the same to him with both getting those sort of sectionals.

Not much depth in those races when the leaders can get away with a 32.3 second quarter mate that's either tactically bereft from the other drivers or an indication that those horses can't do the necessary work to pressure to at least keep Keyang honest in front and still win the race.
In saying all this think Keyang in its current form would have been far more competitive than Mach Beauty and Suave Stuey were in those Qld races, avonova was probably a shade unlucky that it didn't have the chance to lead in one of those races otherwise it probably would have pinched one.

theres no room for parochialism in punting, a champion can come from anywhere, the current best horse in Australia hails from Tassie!
I backed Golden Reign to win the Addington Inter in 1995 against some of my all time Kiwi faves and local heroes The Bloss and The Master
He was a Vic but he had the best will to win you will ever see, where he was from was irrelevant
WTF is it with Victorians that they think they live in the centre of the universe and everything Vic is the best!!!!
take Aussie rules, the rest of the world and a lot of Australia hate that unwatchable silly excuse of a game
it makes me laugh watching Australians bicker with this stupid interstate rivalry
FFS this is probably the best country on the planet to live in, wake up to yourselves and stop and smell the roses
your home is girt by sea FFS

and good on WA for returning to the old format, just a shame the place is so far away for the Kiwi's

I think one of the only people trying to drag it into being an interstate rivalry issue is a Kiwi. Very few of us speaking on this thread are Victorian, so not sure of legitimacy of that post

all together now.......

Australians all let us rejoice
For we are young and free
We've golden soil and wealth for toil
Our home is girt by sea
Our land abounds in nature's gifts
Of beauty rich and rare
In history's page, let every stage
Advance Australia Fair.
In joyful strains then let us sing
Advance Australia Fair

Lou Reed
take Aussie rules, the rest of the world and a lot of Australia hate that unwatchable silly excuse of a game
This coming from someone who's centre of the universe is
Ka ora Ka ora
Ka mate Ka mate

Don't tag us with your brush Village.

It might finish up Avonnova $4 for an Inter Final

Craig went Super last night.
But everybody was weak and sat back.
Im still not Convinced he up to that Level.
Caldow sat back awaiting for something to happen and nearly forgot to pull out.

What i was impressed about last night was SA Racing 13 horse fields and all the Best Drivers was great racing to watch.
Menange needs to take a look Larger fields stop the boring races and people make moves

Lloydy

agree mate re the drivers challenge, was a great initiative


re Avonnova I am biased as it's been a real favourite of mine since the start of the year but it just keeps on it's upward spiral - hopefully can continue

Wont Run a Place tonight
Lay of the Century

Loan up Abetorpunt
Will thrive tonight that distance, could sit 3 wide and still win.
Just hope Caldow Pulls out tonight

Gee Lloydy I'm not sure how you could possibly claim Avonnova doesn't run a place tonight!

Gasping for Air 400 to go
To far for him Remember Lauren Pennalla is in the race
Thats the Factor

That's why I go overseas all the time for free
Lay of the Century the win
Lost small laying place
McCarthy was laughing at Bell.

Sos Get Caldow off Aberorpunt please

Lloydy with all due respect you have disparagingly called it a claimer all year yet its lost only three times in 11 always running second and beaten by ImTheMightyQuinn, Beautide and For a reason - oh and one third when it was slaughtered again behind Quinny

far from disgraced again tonight

Lloydy:

Well called ...Impressive...quietly thinking it is one thing...shouting it from the mountain top is another...

Well shouted from up there on the mountain.....$1.70 tattsbet

WD

Lloydy actually got the race completely wrong Henry, quite sure he didn't have For A Reason sitting behind it. He got very lucky indeed, but fair play to him he does put his thoughts up and deserves luck on his side

Aussie,

I backed For a Reason/Abetorpunt.
Layed Aranova Win and Place
I should of typed what i thought
For a Reason to lead and Hand up, Lauren Panella to come around and at all cost try to Lead (Got that part wrong). Abetorpunt to sit back and await Fireworks to stop then get a Cart up into race.
On Straight Abetorpunt and For a Reason (2 Class horses draw away) Aranova Gasping for breath.

Im laying Bitorbliss today for small and backing Hes Kinky at Kilmore.
Cup is not as easy as it looks. Ill be looking for Value and Covering for a Proffit.

And you right i say before not after races and did get a bit lucky last night.

HAve to say Aronova has improved out of site, i just cant back it.
Abetorpunt Caldow cant drive it, got lucky at Ballarat but he not used to driving good horses.

Lloydy

yes I agree with Aussie, Henry is easily pleased but well done Lloydy on your bets if not your post

reverse the draw and the result changes i think is a fair call for any avonnova knocker

and of course Puke McCarthy has a whole deck of "get out of Jail free cards"
it must be great to train horses for rich and powerful owners
nothing will be done about the most blatant team driving you will ever see
yes they had the horse to do it but that's not the point
well done Team McCarthy, Todd leads out, hands up to brother Luke who hands up to Avonnova
a very well executed plan.....not talking thru my pocket, didn't back Avonnova and couldn't get enough on For A Reason during the race!
anyone bagging Avonnova after that stich up is either blind or has absolutely no idea
hats off to Ian Gurney for buying a no name horse for $20K (?) and turning it into his personal ATM, has made about $200K on the deal
I'm sure he couldn't give a rats about anyone bagging the horse as he's laughing all the way to the bank!!!

just to add to that mix Village - I P Gurney is in the ownership of horse 1 Our Hi Jinx

Were you aware of that?

oh no Bitobliss wins

Aussie will start dreaming again


Just remember he only beat Victorians, and not even the best of those

thanks for reminding me Craig, he did mention that in a pre race interview
no wonder he was sweating bullets about For A Reason and said he needed
to be 4 lengths clear of him turning for home or he was toast because he couldn't out sprint him
that doesn't change the fact Todd McCarthy gave Hi Jinx next to no chance of winning
he handed up to his big bro because he knew 100% what the plan was
Team driving is a blight on the sport "Team Purdon" which includes brother in law Tony H got away with it for years
I had a party when the McCarthy's left Queensland, it was a very happy day, just wish they wouldn't ever come back

having said all that Village been been great racing up in QLD this year?

even the Dodgy dealer race last night was a thriller

drilled but still too classy

yes Craig I agree, I'm having a great time, stay tuned as I may spark up on Twitter again
I've had a break as I seem a bit jinxed there

off topic and I know the Aussies didn't have their "A Team" but have you ever seen the Kangaroo's play that bad
and be so dominated by another team??......I didn't check the odds pre game but the Kiwi's were $4!!!

i was at work and couldn't watch but sounds like too good kiwis

I don't think you should be watching a replay then as it would be painful 
the Kiwi dominance around the ruck had to be seen to be believed
Shaun Johnson had the ball on a string, it was just pretty to watch
and an emotional Keiran Foran post game who had "dreamed of beating the aussies since he was a kid" and finally got his wish
and hats off to Peter Stirling and most of the commentary team for their unbiased praise of the Kiwi's
it was refreshing that they gave credit were it was due and didn't make excuses

VK - I think K Foran will prove to be one of the greats by the time he hangs up his boots - but what is this thread about again ????

Interdominion, Isn't that Australia vs NZ??.......good to see the Kiwi's on top in both Rugby codes, shame about the Netball but you can't win everything

every thread I start gets hijacked by the haters

bring on the Flying Stakes, Terror To Love aiming to be the first horse to win it three times

Classic Art in the next at Ashburton, could be another star off the Purdon production line

bang, just too good on debut

1:58:8 for a mile and a half from a 3yo filly at her first time to the races = IMPRESSIVE

don't suppose that has anything to with the Inter either

Craig TS might finally realise that Avonnova is not top shelf.  Might start $4 in an Inter Final you said.  Well you can have $4.50 with me for as much as you like.

who cares? It's a free world, anyone is welcome to buy a horse for $20K and make over $200K in less than a year
maybe some of the self appointed forum experts should try and do that if it's so easy
money talks and we know what bullshit does

What a mate Adore Me is. Only horse who lost face there at all was Franco Nelson who is slightly below the best. So many good runs giving the way it panned out. Bring on the big one in a fortnight

WOW what a race ADORE ME blew to bits and unplaced as a very short fave on this day last year
this years she gives the boys a spanking paying 21.0.....a lovely bit of Team Purdon driving to boot
Terror To Love and Christen Me too far back and mathematically impossible to win the way the race was run

Bring on the Cup!!!

8. Christen Me     *     3.32     250.45     Lay          
9. Terror To Love     *     2.11     394.87     Lay          

happy days, think I'll take the rest of the day off

well while Craig was at work today I was doing the form.  Can't say I am complaining. 

How Christen Me is not at least equal fav for the Cup has me beat.

And you're right everyone is free to have an opion.  But how many horses woluld you have taken out of the NZ meeting today ahead of Avonnova.  Probably puts his place in the pecking order into perspective.

opinion*

fair point, I wouldn't back Avonnova to win the Inter with stolen money, Queensland bashing shouldn't get me wound up but it does
I just think it's a great story about a very astute purchase and think all involved should be congratulated for landing such a good bet

apologies for getting lost in the heat of the moment and posting my bet's as it was aftertiming and a bit of knob polishing

hahaha I don't see much wrong with a bit of bragging re a collect. 

As good a purchase as you will see for $20k considering the big money some people torch looking for a horse to race at that level.  Good luck to them.

I was a touch harsh on Craig TS.  He loves the sport and is a real optimist which is very hard to maintain when betting on the trots!

the leaders ran the last quarter today in 26.0, half in 54.9 so TTL and C Me obviously went quicker but you have to factor in
that it was Ashburton where they run in a straight line downhill uaually with a tailwind, at any other track bar Menangle that would be jaw dropping
either way they both ran excellent Cup trials

no probs at all leftrightout

i admit saying Avonnova would be $4 in an Inter Final was silly but I did think it was somewhat tongue in cheek when i wrote it

having said that I have been onboard as Avonnova has come from being a claimer and a horse ridiculed at this level to a horse that started 1.70 in a group 1 and ran a great race

VK - did I hear tat For A Reason is heading to kiwi for the NZ Cup ????

On a completely unrelated topic - do they have a retention barn for that race ????

no unfortunately Trotman, I can still recall NSW horse Steel Jaw streeting them in an NZ Cup by about 8 lengths
what ever they gave it nearly killed it and I don't think it ever won another race but definitely didn't keep racing like an NZ CUP winner
The McCarthy's winning the Cup with either For A Reason or Seel N Print would be one of my saddest moments in the sport
I'm praying it just doesn't happen, that smug look Luke McCarthy gets post race would send me into a meltdown from which I may never recover
no matter how good a sprint you have two miles run in around 4 minutes at Addington can take it out of you
it does relate to the Inter because if you ask any NZ trainer or owner if they'd like an NZ CUP or the Inter Trophy  on their mantle piece they will pick the Cup any day....it's something they get to dine out on for the rest of their lives

Classic Art now 2/2.....impressive again today, looks an Oaks filly

good to see opinions supported in the markets....for tonights race Avonnova's best price fixed odds is 3.30 but you can get 4.0+ here

your view VK?

I am on as you would expect

go Avonnova

my view will be from an armchair firmly resting on the fence as I'm not betting on the race
but I think Avonnova's worth a few bob at those odds

well get onboard the QLDER

good luck, too many unknowns for me

thanks mate

These two favs may well destroy each other. Teo Enteo over the top?

a good trading op gone begging there......back @ 4.0-5.0 and lay around 3.8

2.94 the last priced matched on Avonnova

well done craig for keeping the faith!!!......hope you plenty

bang!!!!!


love that

thanks Village

You must be cheering Craig - Avonnova vs Bitobliss? We won't talk for a week

that was just pure grit.....is Avonnova the new Smoken Up

lol Aussie

fck that was exciting


good to see Bitobliss win and getting somewhere near the ability you believe he has

hope you got plenty even

funny when one reads a sentence they dont even miss a missing word in the middle

true

1:52:2 track record for the Queensland pretender

1     AVONNOVA                 Fr8     9     I P Gurney     S R Graham         $ 3.80      
2     TEO ENTEO                 Fr5     5     D R Hancock     D R Hancock     2.4m     $ 7.20      
3     CHARIOT KING                  Fr2     2     J F Tapp     J N Douglass     3.8m     $ 6.20      
4     SUAVE STUEY LOMBO                  Fr9     10     S P Tritton     L R Panella     5.6m     $ 2.00 fav     
5     LATERRON                  Fr4     4     S P Tritton     G K Chapple     8.3m     $ 42.40      
6     LIVING LORD NZ                  Fr1     1     D J McCall     D R Morris     8.8m     $ 23.70      
7     FREYBERG NZ                 Fr6     6     K J Pizzuto     K J Pizzuto     13.9m     $ 70.40      
8     WESTERN ROCKSTAR                 Fr7     7     D J McCall     D J McCall     15.4m     $ 80.70      
9     MARTY MONKHOUSER                 Fr3     3     S P Tritton     R P Morris     29.6m     $ 29.70      
10     SHIPWRECK                 Fr10     11     S P Tritton     J L King     145.3m     $ 151.00      


Track Rating:         Gross Time: 1:52:2     Mile Rate: 1:52:2
First Quarter: 27.1     Second Quarter: 28.9     Third Quarter: 28.5     Fourth Quarter: 27.7

he may never win a group 1 who knows but it's been a great ride from where he was at

Bitobliss 1st half last night 59.2......Avonnova tonight 56.0

exactly craig......like I keep saying it's a great story......and you hardly see any free legged pacers these days
I've always been a fan of them.........I can't remember one that raced in NSW since the 1980's

Hats off to the Avonnova cheer squad.  Big win.  A bit of humble pie for me and I will finish it if he takes the Miracle Mile.  Still an outstanding buy and you blokes have been in his camp for some time.  Nice work!

very well played leftie, hats off to you......but its Craig who deserves it, he kept the faith....I didn't back him tonight as all the Trittons worried me

thanks Leftrightout (and village) i did 5 star rate your reply Left

we all can get things wrong - somewhere in this thread i said northview punter may be contesting group 1's and last night it couldn't place behind whos mistake in a run of the mill FFa

no worries, you have to say when you got it wrong (as I did well and truly here) and you should get a wrap when u get it right.  Tuesday will be great and the Miracle Mile should be awesome too.  Really hoping Dexter Dunn can produce something good on Tuesday.  Talking through my kick as it would be a big effort for TTL to win again

three more sleeps!!!

what about that NZ meeting during the week

looked like Oakbank on steroids and the ocean as a backdrop

Should be a ripper race as per usual, however the team driving possibilities if they eventuate could prevent it from being a great spectacle.

Just watched the replay, another tactical "gem" of a drive from that "gun" driver Panella, I seriously doubt if she could even spell the word tactics, let alone have any comprehension of its meaning. Well done Craig by the way, hope you got plenty.

thanks Lets was a nice result

Craig the meeting you refer to is Kiakoura Cup day, it's a small coastal town a couple hours north of Christchurch famous for Crayfish, Seals and Whale watching
they have one meeting a year and last Monday was the 100th Anniversary, it always brings back a flood of memories
There are some excellent surf breaks nearby to the north and south and I first surfed there when I was 12
as a teenager we would try to sleep on the hay in the barns at the track but most times we would get busted and kicked out

every trot fan should have Cup Day at Addington on their bucket list and ideally get there early to fit in Kiakoura Cup day

Cup day in Christchurch is something special, unlike Melbourne Cup day it's not just about one race, the races on that day
have remained the same for as long as I can remember with the Junior FFA (used to be the Firestone FFA), the Trotting FFA and the 3yo Sires Stakes

not to mention the body painting

thanks Village - very interesting