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Whatsit2ya
01 Aug 13 05:07
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I don't have any issues with the process to dismiss or uphold a protest but there is one scenario that just isn't fair (in my mind).I'm gonna dumb it right down for everyone to understand because there are so many dim wits,half wits and fukwits on Betfair. Imagine a straight track sprint race on a completely even surface. Imagine a horse racing solo along the outside rail,we shall call 'brown' and a 'grey' horse leading a 'black' horse along the inside. Then the grey shifts out and causes 2 Len interference to the black horse,which comes back inside the grey only to cop another bump and lose another 2 lens. As they all flash across the finish line the grey wins by 1 Len,to the brown (2nd) and the black is a nose away in third. You all know what happens after the protest 3rd against 1st is upheld. Wouldn't you all agree that the brown horse was beaten fair and square by the grey who raced on the other side of the (wide) track and although erratic,caused no interference whatsoever. Also,the black horse can rightfully prove that it was better than the grey horse,which means that the brown horse was the worse performed runner and yet,claims first prize after the protest !. How can this logic sit comfortably with everyone in the racing industry. The other point I would like to make and would appreciate if anyone knows the answer to is......what happens if the first horse past the post (grey) breaks the record. We know the best horse (black, goes to 2nd place) can't claim it but does the worst horse (brown) officially become the record holder,remembering that the horse who stopped the clock in record time is relegated to third ??.
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Report Joel • August 1, 2013 5:21 AM BST
Do the stewards have paragraphs?
Report Whatsit2ya • August 1, 2013 5:29 AM BST
Read the 2nd sentence Joel,which one of the 3 do you belong......
Report Joel • August 1, 2013 5:54 AM BST
fukwit I think
Report spyvspy27 • August 1, 2013 6:28 AM BST
Whatsit2ya

You can't advance a horse past another that had nothing to do with the interference suffered, say the brown horse won by a nose, its obvious the black horse wins the race without interference, so do you then still say he should be elevated to 1st?
Report Thebas • August 1, 2013 6:29 AM BST
the stewards might also have more difficulty during those all grey races
Report spyvspy27 • August 1, 2013 6:48 AM BST
When questioned regarding the performance of Nediym’s Quest, N
Rawiller stated that the gelding did not travel comfortably at any stage throughout the event
and, when the tempo quickened from the 600m, did not respond to his riding and was left flatfooted. He added that when placed under pressure Nediym’s Quest was inclined to lay in
and proved difficult to ride out, although did finish the race off well over the final 100m. He
further stated that, in his view, Nediym’s Quest may be better suited by stepping up to
1200m. A post-race veterinary examination of Nediym’s Quest did not reveal any
abnormalities.


Did they ask N.Rawiller why he made no effort to take up a position from the jump, for an aggressive rider out of the gates he was extremely passive.

As you can see Mr Bas, the stewards have difficulty at the best of times and you want to be mean and inquire about an all greys race
Report Thebas • August 1, 2013 7:13 AM BST
9/2 bar one ... just another of those unfortunate 7/4 shots it ... that don't seem to want to jump from the gates ... for experienced riders lol

the stewards must be compeletely perplexed Laugh

(but then again nediym's is a bay ... the stewards have little experience with those Wink)
Report wonby10 • August 5, 2013 2:48 AM BST
A loosely disguised "talking out of my kit thread" by someone described in the second sentence.
Report Whatsit2ya • August 5, 2013 6:20 AM BST
Wonby,you useless ****.
You've just given away for all of us to see,what a shallow individual you are.
Report AFL • August 5, 2013 6:46 AM BST
My guess would be that the 2nd horse over the lines' time would be the new race time, and the new track record (before the protest) would not stand.

Only a guess though.

As to any amended margins how about.....a nose....1 Length. Laugh
Report Whatsit2ya • August 5, 2013 8:45 AM BST
Thx for your guess AFL.
My guess is that the 2nd horse across the line would claim the record time but really not sure either.
Report wonby10 • August 6, 2013 3:22 AM BST
Pay attention!! Fact. 2nd horse over the line (given that the stewards dsq the 1st horse and promote the 2nd horse)time would be the winning time and if it was a record then that would be the record.

Hey Whatsit2ya. I'm sure the **** is an abbreviation for genius. something you're not!
Report AFL • August 6, 2013 3:38 AM BST
So my guess was correct then.

Thks.
Report Whatsit2ya • August 6, 2013 5:04 AM BST
AFL,I think you'll find that Wonby doesn't agree that the time would be amended - which means he thinks your guess is incorrect .
But I wouldn't give up on your guess just yet because he also thinks that the word genius is a 4 letter word.
Report AFL • August 6, 2013 6:14 AM BST
LOL, yes but the way i read his post was......

2nd horse over the line (given that the stewards dsq the 1st horse and promote the 2nd horse)time would be the winning time and if it was a record then that would be the record.


So that reads to me as......

That the second horse over the line's time would be the new winning time.......and if that was a new track record also, given that it was 1 length behind the relegated horse .... then that record would be recorded.

If you take the brackets out of the sentence and read the sentence without the brackets.

Laugh
Report Whatsit2ya • August 6, 2013 6:31 AM BST
You may be right,key word being 'also'.
So if the brown horse doesn't break the record 'also',then the grey never broke the record and the time was never ran ?
Why can't the black horse be elevated to first and the brown relegated to third. What right does the brown horse have in claiming first prize here.
Report spyvspy27 • August 6, 2013 7:24 AM BST
Whatsit2ya • August 6, 2013 6:31 AM BST
You may be right,key word being 'also'.
So if the brown horse doesn't break the record 'also',then the grey never broke the record and the time was never ran ?
Why can't the black horse be elevated to first and the brown relegated to third. What right does the brown horse have in claiming first prize here.

Its pretty basic whatsit2ya, We have a relegation rule, not advancement rule in protests, if a horse successfully protests, he doesn't get advanced past that horse, rather the horse he protests against gets relegated behind the horse that successfully protested against it. The 2nd horse in your scenario that eventually ended up the winner, well he was just lucky enough to be in the right place at the right time.

Re overall race time, i'm 99% that it stays at the original time
Report Whatsit2ya • August 6, 2013 7:35 AM BST
Spy,I mentioned that we all know that the upheld protest promoted the brown horse to first but my question was 'how does this logic sit with the racing industry'.
I'm with you regarding the brown horse claiming the record as well as the race. It just doesn't feel right.
Report spyvspy27 • August 6, 2013 7:48 AM BST
Agree it doesn't feel right, but 2nd horse was just lucky interference was great enough to enable him to finish in front of 3rd horse, also as 2nd didn't contribute to interference, hard to relegate him to 3rd
Report earlycrow • August 6, 2013 10:49 AM BST
Look who the fckn dog dragged in ffs
Report Live_in_Hope • August 6, 2013 11:57 AM BST
this has certainly caused me some lost sleep
Report wonby10 • August 7, 2013 1:43 AM BST
Whatsit2ya.. You really are a combination of those you described in your second sentence. Let me "dumb it down" for you as you seem the most in need of it.

The "logic" is the brown horse had no part in any interference ran an exemplary race and here is the the thing, it passed the post before the black horse (the grey horse being dsq) therefore the brown horse beats the black horse! If there was any other logic there would be a different outcome. All the ifs in the world don't change that just like you wondering if your aunty had balls whether she would be your uncle?   or if you hadn't been dropped on your head as a child whether you'd have turned out half intelligent? Things we will never know! Clear? Crystal clear?

Now just for an exercise try and work this out, people have been trying to do it for nearly 60 years so for you  Whatsit2ya it could prove to be a thesis and until you have worked it out do us all a favour and don't post on the forum!

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Report Whatsit2ya • August 7, 2013 4:21 AM BST
Hmmm,I just can't change my original opinion of Wonby,he continues to immaturely show us what a silly individual he is.
I've really identified him as the quintessential Betfair troll in my second sentence.
A dimwit because - an educated person would understand that the way you express yourself is a giveaway to the level of intelligence you hold.
A half wit because - the lame attempts at humour would make a  primary school student cringe.
And a ( complete) fukwit because - this is a thread regarding the abnormality that some protest results can through up. We all know the rules of the protest but he seems to think that he is the only person on the planet that 'gets' it. Then he gets upset like a petulant child if some would dare to question them. I'm sure he walks around all day thinking to himself "everyone is dumb except for me".
Report spyvspy27 • August 7, 2013 1:20 PM BST
earlycrow • August 6, 2013 10:49 AM BST
Look who the fckn dog dragged in ffs

Judgey tells me you you won money hand over fist today. He wants to subscribe to crowformpremium but asks if you will provide it on tick, just until he gets on his feet
Report Live_in_Hope • August 7, 2013 1:24 PM BST
how they hangin spy?
Report spyvspy27 • August 7, 2013 1:25 PM BST
1 lower than the other
Report Live_in_Hope • August 7, 2013 1:27 PM BST
I will take short odds its the left one
Report spyvspy27 • August 7, 2013 1:30 PM BST
So you think i'm right handed, pay up Laugh
Report Live_in_Hope • August 7, 2013 1:31 PM BST
LIH Fact No 213: Having a good girlfriend can save you about 40gb of hard drive space.
Report spyvspy27 • August 7, 2013 1:32 PM BST
Experience talking? Laugh
Report Live_in_Hope • August 7, 2013 1:34 PM BST
yeah! time for this little battler to hit the sack - gn spyman and the other 3 who are online
Report Joel • August 7, 2013 1:35 PM BST
Goodnight
Report spyvspy27 • August 7, 2013 1:37 PM BST
STS said both of his hang at the same level, asked him how come, he said he is ambidextrous
Report Live_in_Hope • August 8, 2013 5:58 AM BST
your jokes havnt improved even after the spell Cry
Report spyvspy27 • August 8, 2013 6:27 AM BST
Mrs said to me, you may tell jokes Mr Spy but you're no comedian..... not sure exactly what she meant by that
Report earlycrow • August 8, 2013 12:02 PM BST
She means you not fckn funny so give it away, you are to comedy what STS is to the writen word
Report spyvspy27 • August 9, 2013 2:30 AM BST
earlycrow • August 8, 2013 12:02 PM BST
She means you not fckn funny so give it away, you are to comedy what STS is to the writen word

Mr Crow, I might be bad but that comparison is extremely harsh. You know STS sometimes even makes a mistake when writing STS, he writes STD. Now that was pretty good imo Laugh
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