Best Rating Service

There needs to be a site that rates the rating sitess.But i suppose you would then need a site that rates the  sites that rate the rating sites.

They tell me Let's Elope has got a brilliant rating service. 100% strike rate, I'm told ... but the only problem is there's a bit of a time delay and you don't get the info until after the race has been run.

Pity 'bout that.

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Kochy, are "ratings" the same as tips?

Phil, I'm expecting a pre-race full rundown of the Perth Cup card from Lets.

I hope all you clowns and farkwits are brave enough to lay his tips

I don't think he works on Public Holidays but they will be up the very next day

there will be 8 of them
LOL

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Yes ratings are the same as tips. I'm not talking about those that post tips on these forums. I am asking about those websites who provide ratings and tips for a fee. Looking for a service that has a decent strikerate at a reasonable average price.

kochy just wondering what u consider a "reasonable average price. "

Things to remember.
Ratings are just a guide, they aren't the be all and end all.
Those who sell tips and ratings are human excrement.
There are free ratings on Racingandsports.com.
Hope this helps

A reasonable average would be between $3.50 & $4.50. For prices around this mark the strikerate should be a minimum of 30%. It will be interesting to see if anyone posts a reply about an actual tipping or rating service that they have had experience with.

if you dont want to do the work follow selected punters on here or twitter and you will go ok

Craig The Speculator. That's all very well to make that comment, so how about you name some names. Afterall that is what this thread is about. Which tipsters out there are good and which are bad.

why do i feel this thread is leading somewhere

kochy you do have to do some work

Disagree Craig. Knowing which trainers and jockeys have a decent strike rate is all that's required IMO.

market movements are the most important when all is said and done imo

Lille too general there, of course there's DISCILIPLINE and a STAKING METHOD ... IMO

That's after mounting yard appearance of course, Mopey?

i would imagine the market would take into account mounting yard appearance Loon.

And, for the record, Paying for ratings, tips , no offence.....is hilarious, ...IMO

Well said, Mope. most diplomatic of you......and probably correct btw

kochy
wants to do no work...
wants others to do it for him
and doesnt want to pay

GOOD LUCK WITH THAT

Where did he say he didn't,t want to pay, Nick?

kochy
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Yes ratings are the same as tips. I'm not talking about those that post tips on these forums. I am asking about those websites who provide ratings and tips for a fee. Looking for a service that has a decent strikerate at a reasonable average price.


so kochy.....u want to pay a tipster $3.50 to $4.50 a race is it? or is that a meeting?.........well yeah good luck with that, u may as well pay for the herald sun paper at $2 and follow their tipsters

kochy
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A reasonable average would be between $3.50 & $4.50. For prices around this mark the strikerate should be a minimum of 30%. It will be interesting to see if anyone posts a reply about an actual tipping or rating service that they have had experience with.


so kochy.....u want to pay a tipster $3.50 to $4.50 a race is it? or is that a meeting?.........well yeah good luck with that, u may as well pay for the herald sun paper at $2 and follow their tipsters


sorry copy and pasted the wrong reply

28point8.com has FREE Parade Yard fitness tips email to you, big strike rates.

So it seems Kochy was a vehicle to re-introduce the bottom watching app.....refer to the human excrement advisory.

i'm waiting for the next one that is 101% fit and unloading imo

i'd suggest most here like to do the form for themselves and wouldn't want to pay for tips - although some of us might do better if we did!!!

good luck finding a service though Kochy although my guess is it was actually just a plug for the service you mentioned in your op

I can pick my own losers I don't need to pay someone to give me their losers.

why do i feel this thread is leading somewhere


think i got that one right

heres one for FREE Adore Me @ Alexandra Park = JUST GET ON!

Amazing scenes, where can I sign up for more VK?

28point8.com has FREE Parade Yard fitness tips email to you, big strike rates.

What about convincing a few of us, Jim?

How about simply providing us with the fittest horse in the yard for each race at Flemington on New Years Day?

If not, something similar please.

THERE....IS....NO....SPOOOOON

Your own eyes r the best judge..................

Torbrae

Race 2 GLOUCESTER PARK 28 December 2012

Not a bad run, 20/1......was $70 start before beaten 7m

Might be one to follow at odds.(I'm not convinced but I will have a little something on him just in case)


Talon Spike

Race 4 GLOUCESTER PARK 28 December 2012

This horse is going well finishing 2-4-3-4 at its last 4 starts. jumped at 33/1, 30/1, 66/1 and 33/1 (this one i do like - so prolly put a line thru him and back the other...u know how it works)


If I'm real lucky they will both win on the same night.


You can watch the videos here  :  http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=GP281212&ms=wa

heres another kochy kochy - brunette Blonde at achoookar

this wan is da very best... imo... 3tracks the claims are correct

Big day at Flemington and Rosehill, only 2 - 4 super fit horses emailed out free, or a horse to lay.

Very selective service.

That's great Jim. Putting them up on the forum today is much appreciated. Happy New Year

I make a conscious effort not to bet on anything unless it's in the yard about to race. The horse or horses I prefer or bet on are my only focus in the race, I do not go out of my way to see replays and do not remember the names/performance of a great majority of competing horses- not even all the ones I back. I do NOT blackbook or follow horses as such, I find it a loss making habit, particularly because I do no form and would find myself betting on a blackbooker purely because it's running, without any realistic idea of other factors, including comparing it to it's opposition.

This abstinence is usually only tested  when I back one on looks and for example , it's extremely unfortunate in the run.
Other times (very rarely) it has been a horse that has won a race I've bet in that has captured my attention.
Chase The Rainbow was one of those.

Cut to the chase. I saw Warwarick parade two starts ago at ?. It looked very well and was clearly the pick of the yard. I did NOT back it as it was in a weak STAYING race (I generally ignore them) and had a jockey on I'd never heard of.
Rode it poorly and it won easily. It's last start was a carbon copy.

Same rider today I think I'm rather impressed with Warwarick. Should I bet? Should I stick to the plan and avoid

such follies?

Discuss....

While the experts are gathering, I've had a rare tip in the last at GC #12. Gluck

tough race looking aside the sparkling diamond. I'll re invest some of the forties from the ballarat cup and hope the granny isn't over.

I havent backed a winner all year

so you're making a killing on the lay side whiskers

Caesar Augustus @ the Creek....JUST GET ON!!!!

The most disturbing thing about the grub known as Jim Valuebet is that he keeps popping his head up on this forum, which means he must be having some success roping in suckers!
Say it isn't so people
You'd be better off taking a picture of your own backside and referring to that before punting

Jury is still out on that one, Whoopi. When Jim finds his laptop and puts them up on here....

a decision can then be made

what drugs are you on spoonman?.....don't you remember when James put a thread and showed the world how brain dead he really is
all he did was dribble all over himself and soiled his nappies.....how big a fool are you when you take sarcastic pay outs and post them on your website as testimonials?.....PLEASE Betfair ban this deluded spamming snake oil salesman for good!!!

how could we forget the "buy a house' challenge

it was a house of cards, now he's paying "52 pick up"

I think spoonman is his love child

Damian Oliver needs a Job.
His tips would be like Gold

Not lovechild, more like brotherfromanothermother.

value bet 31 Dec 12 21:49

Big day at Flemington and Rosehill, only 2 - 4 super fit horses emailed out free, or a horse to lay.

Very selective service.

I can't vouch for his method and I'm certainly not vouching for his "service", however! I think I agree with the

fundamentals of his method.

Mounting Yard appearance does count.

If one had the patience of a Saint (and reasonable M. Y. vision) a regular profit can be made from it.


I think he adds his own form assessment alongside their appearance, there we differ.

Bit like the Punters Show MYM that used to be spruiked on here, I personally don't like it.

I am certainly a cynic but I would be interested in seeing a few days of his selections. (Free of course)

FREE selective Parade Yard tips emailed.

Strike rate yesterday, 2 tips:

•    1 lay unplaced, 100% profit
•    1 tip, winner $3.40  $1.80, in field of six Betfair bet $1.64 place, huge!
•    Profit for day over 420%

Three weeks:

23 tips / 20 winners includes 2 lays / 87% win strike rate.

Place strike rate 21 tips / 20 places 95% place strike rate.

Overall strike rate in the money 95.5%

Horses finish in first 4 plus lays: 100%

Profit would be several thousand percent.

I just have to wait, wait and more wait.

Horses rated in fitness: over 3,000 for 23 selections.

you are full of sh!t James.....if you were as good as you claim you would be a billionaire!

how come when you actually put stuff up PRE RACE publicly in this very forum you IMPLODED!!!.....it couldn't have been a bigger disaster

you're not related to Lets Elope are you?

VK, I don't remember the thread and plan to have a look. The one I have found and read, I found interesting on many levels.

1. Seemed to be 18 pages of overall "successful"  tipping.???? (I'll leave the accounting to others)

2. Several forumites, surprisingly, expressed that they were genuinely impressed by his efforts.

NOTE; I DO NOT SUPPORT HIS TIPPING SERVICE ( or any for that matter )

This one

http://community.betfair.com/australian/go/thread/view/93998/26520553/fit-ho...

" Check out the unsolicited feedback from Jim's Betfair forum "value bet" below....
"He's posted more selections that have won in 30 minutes that most tip in 3 months. He knows his stuff....."

"Thanks Santa, looks like you stuffed up right - we ordered a forum Gym and you gave us a forum Jim - I think this one will be more useful"
"This bloke is sheer gold, I can sleep in now, and give up going to the track at 5.00 am.......Thank God..IMO."
"This guy is a beast lol"
"I know who value bet is......He's the bad dude from Back to the Future who travels back in time with a racing almanac and makes a fortune coz he already knows the winners. He has already made his fortune and is now sharing the love.........it can only be so.....brilliant"
"Value Bet is either 1 of the luckiest punters, or 1 of the best enclosure watchers around, I'm tipping it's the latter, very well done"
"Speaking of groups 1s, Value Bet appears to be G1 class at assessing them in the enclosure, well done"
"Hey VB do you reckon your Mum can let you come out and play again tomorrow...huh huh PLEASE lol"
"My physchiatrist advised me I should no longer believe in messiahs as it is detremental to my mental health however she also tells me not to stop taking my meds but I feel good now so I've stopped. I believe that VB is the new messiah and I'll put my faith in you the next fav you reckon is not fit. I'm going all-in with a lay"
"WD Judge...this is the best value thread in a long time lol"
"Just logged onto this thread. I think we have a new messiah."
"VB your a phenomenom!!!!!!! Move over all pretenders."
"Vb you can be a regular poster any day in my book....."



now all above is apparently in reference to this forum taken from 28.8 site.

funny i dont remember any type of success rate as posted by VB above ????????????

•    1 lay unplaced, 100% profit
•    1 tip, winner $3.40  $1.80, in field of six Betfair bet $1.64 place, huge!
•    Profit for day over 420%

Three weeks:

23 tips / 20 winners includes 2 lays / 87% win strike rate.

Place strike rate 21 tips / 20 places 95% place strike rate.

Overall strike rate in the money 95.5%

Horses finish in first 4 plus lays: 100%

Profit would be several thousand percent.

I just have to wait, wait and more wait.

Horses rated in fitness: over 3,000 for 23 selections.

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!


the simple challenge then ( if youre not full of it as suggested by some members ) "money talks bullsh!t walks"

so post youre next 20 tips "PRE POST" and if u hit anywhere near above, i'm sure you'll get the accolades deserved and maybe some paying clients.

others wise we may all have to agree with ..... what was it, oh thats right!!!    SNAKE OIL SALESMAN

"My physchiatrist advised me I should no longer believe in messiahs as it is detremental to my mental health however she also tells me not to stop taking my meds but I feel good now so I've stopped. I believe that VB is the new messiah and I'll put my faith in you the next fav you reckon is not fit. I'm going all-in with a lay"

i take personal offence to this feedback, surely it is not true

Loggy, they were the posts I was referring to in POINT 2 No doubt they are all there...... for all to see.

They weren't favorable comments from AllBlack types, either.

(I'll leave the accounting to others)  Maybe he goes to MondayMike's bean counters.


NOTE; I DO NOT SUPPORT HIS TIPPING SERVICE ( or any for that matter )

how dumb are you when you can't tell someones pulling the p!ss?

spoonman maybe you can look for James threads about winning a house and his "staking plan"....I still lmao with I think of that one

I intend to, VK. Sounds like he's melted?..LOVEJOY style

imo, They weren't all taking the piss, VK. Soooo I guess one of us maybe dumb

there are some outrageous claims on the web site.........this one i had a



28.8Win will pay owners millions of dollars for the fitness photos of their horses.

also got a



Purchase 28.8 Merchandise...



Bar Mats  $USD49.88
Bar Mats - Personalised, (eg: Merry Xmas Dad) $USD69.88
Stubby Holders
$USD15.88
Coffee Mugs $AUS24.88
Coasters 8 for $USDS25.88




F!ck me $16 for a stubby holder.......better start selling mine

I remember looking at it, Loggy. Offered to assess and manage? aspiring Olympians

I'm too scared to have another look

NOTE; I DO NOT SUPPORT HIS TIPPING SERVICE ( or any for that matter )

go on you love the man loon

I find myself "aligned" in some respects with Jim and Lets.

the astute amongst us here identified that long ago

you confusing astute with











obtuse?

did you get the xmas stubby holder Loony?
lol, or are you a bar mat kind of guy

I don't drink, as a rule. Jim kindly sent me two s holders that I have cut the bottom out of and fashioned into blinkers

attached to the underside of the peak of my baseball cap. It keeps the light out and helps me focus on the horses, you

wouldn't understand.

oh but i do loony
you must look real cute

bump

remember this.............

powerfan • December 31, 2012 4:17 AM GMT
THERE....IS....NO....SPOOOOON

Your own eyes r the best judge..................

Torbrae

Race 2 GLOUCESTER PARK 28 December 2012

Not a bad run, 20/1......was $70 start before beaten 7m

Might be one to follow at odds.(I'm not convinced but I will have a little something on him just in case)


Talon Spike

Race 4 GLOUCESTER PARK 28 December 2012

This horse is going well finishing 2-4-3-4 at its last 4 starts. jumped at 33/1, 30/1, 66/1 and 33/1 (this one i do like - so prolly put a line thru him and back the other...u know how it works)


If I'm real lucky they will both win on the same night.


You can watch the videos here  :  http://www.harness.org.au/meeting-results.cfm?mc=GP281212&ms=wa

Whoever started this thread, if you want to pay for your own information, you are already miles behind.

I would consider the stock exchange, or a real job.

Just IMO