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From the administrators and stewards sweeping corruption under the rug, their incompetence and their continuing to turn blind eyes from anything that may bring the racing industry into disrepute, their light handed slaps for infringements and their lack of foresight to run a transparent and highly policed industry.............. the trainers who are damned if they dont use doping to compete with the stables that are rife with it and are freely willing to use anything at their disposal to get a win................ the jockeys who bet against their own mounts and who organize race fixing amongst a select few..............the morally and ethically corrupt bookmakers who will go to any lengths to achieve their profit margins and wouldnt give a sniff about their obligations to problem gambling.
Its not as if any of the above hasnt been committed in the last few years if not few months, most reading this would be aware that a jockey who has admitted to betting is still riding, that B.Shinn got 6 months for betting, for fck sake 6 months, that trainers have been caught with positive tests and receive 2, 3, or 4 months on the side lines or the covering up of certain " high profile trainers" who have returned positive swabs, but we cant be dragging the biggest names in the industry down.
This industry is going down the toilet, and still journo's get lambasted for writing front page news reports because we want to protect a certain time of the year because the betting turnover is so big, what a joke that the biggest of all Administrator in the Victorian Industry would say it is irresponsible to write such a piece..............SHAME ON HIM
I am embarrassed to be part of this industry, and will seriously consider not betting on horse racing again, no longer can I claim that Australian horse racing is the cleanest in the world. I was never blinded to say there was no shifty business going on but now I feel that it is corrupt from the top down all the way and the only ones that walk away clean are the everyday punters that are hurt and deceived the most
Its not as if any of the above hasnt been committed in the last few years if not few months, most reading this would be aware that a jockey who has admitted to betting is still riding, that B.Shinn got 6 months for betting, for fck sake 6 months, that trainers have been caught with positive tests and receive 2, 3, or 4 months on the side lines or the covering up of certain " high profile trainers" who have returned positive swabs, but we cant be dragging the biggest names in the industry down.
This industry is going down the toilet, and still journo's get lambasted for writing front page news reports because we want to protect a certain time of the year because the betting turnover is so big, what a joke that the biggest of all Administrator in the Victorian Industry would say it is irresponsible to write such a piece..............SHAME ON HIM
I am embarrassed to be part of this industry, and will seriously consider not betting on horse racing again, no longer can I claim that Australian horse racing is the cleanest in the world. I was never blinded to say there was no shifty business going on but now I feel that it is corrupt from the top down all the way and the only ones that walk away clean are the everyday punters that are hurt and deceived the most
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some have been give life, some have lesser penalties, the stewards are doing their job,
police don't catch everyone that goes 2km/h over the speed limit on every road, but they do their job,
police don't catch everyone that goes 2km/h over the speed limit on every road, but they do their job,
blokes that think like aker all end up either counting days in Gaol or taking a long sleep...it's inevitable.
Too dumb to work out an honest way way to make money, so he can't believe anyone else does....a mental midget.
Too dumb to work out an honest way way to make money, so he can't believe anyone else does....a mental midget.
here we go,
can you read you poor simpleton, you just want to attack,
another keyboard WARRIOR ( the type that either get's bashed by his mrs, or recieves from his male partner)
can you read you poor simpleton, you just want to attack,
another keyboard WARRIOR ( the type that either get's bashed by his mrs, or recieves from his male partner)
I'm pretty sure Kye is not a communist. He's much worse than that. He's a Liberal voter.
And I'm pretty sure this isn't the same Aker who stuck a knife through my heart by kicking that goal late in the 2002 Grand Final.
Kye appears to have been pwned by a troll who likes to big-note himself by pretending to have jockeys in his pocket.
Hey, I got a tip from a jockey once. I was working as a strapper at the time and this apprentice borrowed $20 from me early in the week. On the Saturday he told me that a horse he was riding that day couldn't lose. So I had a tenner on it at 14/1 and it **** in. Naturally enough I told him not to worry about the $20.
Pretty harmless stuff really. I doubt if it was a boat race. It was a very heavy track that day and the kid knew that the horse was a swimmer.
I'm really not sure why it's such a big deal for jockeys to give tips. Owners and trainers give tips all the time. Sometimes they win, sometimes they lose.
T.J.Smith was a notorious tipper. He tipped just about every horse that he saddled up. If you followed his tips you would be on the bones of your arse. Gai is pretty much the same.
There's a big difference, in my opinion, between giving someone a tip or doing something dishonest to influence the outcome of a race. If a jockey is riding Horse A and he tells someone that he thinks Horse B will win, there's nothing wrong with that as long as he rides horse A on its merits. Of course, if he has $10,000 on Horse B then that's another matter.
And I'm pretty sure this isn't the same Aker who stuck a knife through my heart by kicking that goal late in the 2002 Grand Final.
Kye appears to have been pwned by a troll who likes to big-note himself by pretending to have jockeys in his pocket.
Hey, I got a tip from a jockey once. I was working as a strapper at the time and this apprentice borrowed $20 from me early in the week. On the Saturday he told me that a horse he was riding that day couldn't lose. So I had a tenner on it at 14/1 and it **** in. Naturally enough I told him not to worry about the $20.
Pretty harmless stuff really. I doubt if it was a boat race. It was a very heavy track that day and the kid knew that the horse was a swimmer.
I'm really not sure why it's such a big deal for jockeys to give tips. Owners and trainers give tips all the time. Sometimes they win, sometimes they lose.
T.J.Smith was a notorious tipper. He tipped just about every horse that he saddled up. If you followed his tips you would be on the bones of your arse. Gai is pretty much the same.
There's a big difference, in my opinion, between giving someone a tip or doing something dishonest to influence the outcome of a race. If a jockey is riding Horse A and he tells someone that he thinks Horse B will win, there's nothing wrong with that as long as he rides horse A on its merits. Of course, if he has $10,000 on Horse B then that's another matter.
"T.J.Smith was a notorious tipper. He tipped just about every horse that he saddled up."
Gai obviously though she'd out do the old man and tip the lot!
Gai obviously though she'd out do the old man and tip the lot!
Oh what a cynical world we live in........Aker i goota say i agree with u up to a point, this is definitely not the real aker, only 32 replies in 3 years the real aker could never keep his pie hole shut that much.
i never mention anything about tipping but anyways, Aker the system is getting far more corrupt now, that it has been in the whole of my involvement over 40 odd years. It is becoming organized in its big corrupt pockets. The administrators of the sport dont have the powers they need or maybe even they dont want to dig to deep for fear of what may be exposed, maybe its even the work load or under funded (but we all really know its a "boys club" protecting their resume for their climb up the corprate ladder)........... the trainers know what to do, where to get it, how much to use, when to give it and when not, how to mask it and so much more. This knowledge is not obtained thru trial and error, they are shown, they are told, the chain has a lot of links.
I've been doing this a long time and i'm not that naive to suggest the sport is brought to it's knees, and that we bring all the legends of the game crashing down but they must DRAW A LINE IN THE SAND. to say it will always be there is just not good enough.
I know and Aker knows, that the jockeys talk and yes they do bet. But betting on other horses in their race, having other jockeys aware that you are having a big bet in the race and offering reward for whatever. Talking on phones to other jockeys about tactics and speed profiles, talking to managers and so called advisors about race maps, having bowlers place the bets and collect for them. the chain has a lot of links.
And now we come to the betting juggernauts, the corporate organizing and controlling of the whole betting industry. You just mark my words, in 5 years, 90% of all race and sports betting in Australia will be managed by 4 companies and maybe even a duopoly, unless safe guards are taken. This is a corruption with a different head, this is the Gordon Gekko of the betting industry. This is where the blind eyes turn from because this is where the money trail starts, this is where the laws and investigation powers must be the strongest, and a national body needs to have powers. The crimes we are talking about ALWAYS HAVE A MONEY TRAIL.
Aker, anyone who says "where there is money there will always be corruption, so get on with it", may be described as a realist or a spin doctor, or maybe even "in on the rort". Whatever your motives are, or opinions are you are free to write, but to condone corruption so an industry can flourish doesnt fit will with me.
but hey after 4years and 30 odd replies, i'm glad it has brought u out of the closet.
please forgive the grammar (aimed at DA) its late and my drug of choice is at its highest
i never mention anything about tipping but anyways, Aker the system is getting far more corrupt now, that it has been in the whole of my involvement over 40 odd years. It is becoming organized in its big corrupt pockets. The administrators of the sport dont have the powers they need or maybe even they dont want to dig to deep for fear of what may be exposed, maybe its even the work load or under funded (but we all really know its a "boys club" protecting their resume for their climb up the corprate ladder)........... the trainers know what to do, where to get it, how much to use, when to give it and when not, how to mask it and so much more. This knowledge is not obtained thru trial and error, they are shown, they are told, the chain has a lot of links.
I've been doing this a long time and i'm not that naive to suggest the sport is brought to it's knees, and that we bring all the legends of the game crashing down but they must DRAW A LINE IN THE SAND. to say it will always be there is just not good enough.
I know and Aker knows, that the jockeys talk and yes they do bet. But betting on other horses in their race, having other jockeys aware that you are having a big bet in the race and offering reward for whatever. Talking on phones to other jockeys about tactics and speed profiles, talking to managers and so called advisors about race maps, having bowlers place the bets and collect for them. the chain has a lot of links.
And now we come to the betting juggernauts, the corporate organizing and controlling of the whole betting industry. You just mark my words, in 5 years, 90% of all race and sports betting in Australia will be managed by 4 companies and maybe even a duopoly, unless safe guards are taken. This is a corruption with a different head, this is the Gordon Gekko of the betting industry. This is where the blind eyes turn from because this is where the money trail starts, this is where the laws and investigation powers must be the strongest, and a national body needs to have powers. The crimes we are talking about ALWAYS HAVE A MONEY TRAIL.
Aker, anyone who says "where there is money there will always be corruption, so get on with it", may be described as a realist or a spin doctor, or maybe even "in on the rort". Whatever your motives are, or opinions are you are free to write, but to condone corruption so an industry can flourish doesnt fit will with me.
but hey after 4years and 30 odd replies, i'm glad it has brought u out of the closet.
please forgive the grammar (aimed at DA) its late and my drug of choice is at its highest
AKER, good old AKER.
I don't know you, never dealt with you, couldn't care less about your thoughts and levels of integrity but I will say this
if you think it's ok to steal, **** you.
if you think it's ok to cheat, **** you.
if you think you can show your smug head in this thread and mouth off like a 15 year old little brat, then once again, **** you.
yes it's happening, they're cheating, they're stealing but you can't condone it, there's no ****g way you can condone it, to support such efforts should only result in 1 thing and I want you to do this for me, it's what needs to happen for you to understand how stupid you are making yourself to be in front of all of these people.
I want you to walk into the bathroom, look into the mirror, squeeze up your fat little fist and drive it right underneath your chin because you're a ****g increpid little clown for coming in here with such an attitude, you carry on like you're apart of the mafia, I bet you're not, I know you're not.
You talk about keyboard warriors, you talk about "simpleton's", you talk about mugs, you're a ****g hypocrite, I had never even seen you post until you walked in here like you know what the **** you're talking about, it's plain as day you haven't a clue. I can only assume (and hope) you were off your face when you entered into this thread and took it upon yourself to make the unintelligent decision to express your delusional thoughts because plain and simply, you've embarassed yourself and I don't believe anyone could be so stupid to show themselves off in such a manner.
now kindly and I mean this in the nicest possible way, **** off.
I don't know you, never dealt with you, couldn't care less about your thoughts and levels of integrity but I will say this
if you think it's ok to steal, **** you.
if you think it's ok to cheat, **** you.
if you think you can show your smug head in this thread and mouth off like a 15 year old little brat, then once again, **** you.
yes it's happening, they're cheating, they're stealing but you can't condone it, there's no ****g way you can condone it, to support such efforts should only result in 1 thing and I want you to do this for me, it's what needs to happen for you to understand how stupid you are making yourself to be in front of all of these people.
I want you to walk into the bathroom, look into the mirror, squeeze up your fat little fist and drive it right underneath your chin because you're a ****g increpid little clown for coming in here with such an attitude, you carry on like you're apart of the mafia, I bet you're not, I know you're not.
You talk about keyboard warriors, you talk about "simpleton's", you talk about mugs, you're a ****g hypocrite, I had never even seen you post until you walked in here like you know what the **** you're talking about, it's plain as day you haven't a clue. I can only assume (and hope) you were off your face when you entered into this thread and took it upon yourself to make the unintelligent decision to express your delusional thoughts because plain and simply, you've embarassed yourself and I don't believe anyone could be so stupid to show themselves off in such a manner.
now kindly and I mean this in the nicest possible way, **** off.
ok second coming, where did i say it's ok to break the law, and or do the wrong thing or condone anything of the sort?
but i do believe in innocent til proven guilty, and there'll always be jealousy amoungst trainers and jockeys,
trainers have had their horse return positives that have been caused by feed contamination, vet's error and so on, should those trainers be jailed, or barred for life from the game?
jockey's betting is definately wrong,
second coming, what makes you correct and an expert on everything?
and give us a spell with the ***stars*** on every line, does that make you feel tough and powerful?
i 've got no doubt i'd turn over more in one year than you would in ten or 20,
i hardly post because i'm too busy betting or simply got better things to do, than deal with know all's when i've forgotten more than most of the posters will ever know about gambling...
but i do believe in innocent til proven guilty, and there'll always be jealousy amoungst trainers and jockeys,
trainers have had their horse return positives that have been caused by feed contamination, vet's error and so on, should those trainers be jailed, or barred for life from the game?
jockey's betting is definately wrong,
second coming, what makes you correct and an expert on everything?
and give us a spell with the ***stars*** on every line, does that make you feel tough and powerful?
i 've got no doubt i'd turn over more in one year than you would in ten or 20,
i hardly post because i'm too busy betting or simply got better things to do, than deal with know all's when i've forgotten more than most of the posters will ever know about gambling...
ok second coming, where did i say it's ok to break the law, and or do the wrong thing or condone anything of the sort?
but i do believe in innocent til proven guilty, and there'll always be jealousy amoungst trainers and jockeys,
trainers have had their horse return positives that have been caused by feed contamination, vet's error and so on, should those trainers be jailed, or barred for life from the game?
jockey's betting is definately wrong,
second coming, what makes you correct and an expert on everything?
and give us a spell with the ***stars*** on every line, does that make you feel tough and powerful?
i 've got no doubt i'd turn over more in one year than you would in ten or 20,
i hardly post because i'm too busy betting or simply got better things to do, than deal with know all's when i've forgotten more than most of the posters will ever know about gambling...
but i do believe in innocent til proven guilty, and there'll always be jealousy amoungst trainers and jockeys,
trainers have had their horse return positives that have been caused by feed contamination, vet's error and so on, should those trainers be jailed, or barred for life from the game?
jockey's betting is definately wrong,
second coming, what makes you correct and an expert on everything?
and give us a spell with the ***stars*** on every line, does that make you feel tough and powerful?
i 've got no doubt i'd turn over more in one year than you would in ten or 20,
i hardly post because i'm too busy betting or simply got better things to do, than deal with know all's when i've forgotten more than most of the posters will ever know about gambling...
where did i say it's ok to break the law, and or do the wrong thing or condone anything of the sort?
Here's where
, and we'll fill up laying! my jockey mates like doing that a lot more
So you're a liar as well as a thief.....well done.
Here's where
, and we'll fill up laying! my jockey mates like doing that a lot more
So you're a liar as well as a thief.....well done.
ok Aker now we know your a big/huge punter and you know what most have no idea about, you have an insight into the game that many are still learning. Why you or anyone would want to state your punting habits, to all on here bewilders me and proves nothing at all. Claiming personal kudos on an anonymous chat forum is about as smart as an ashtray on a motorbike.
AKER, I will ignore your first paragraph, once you read over your posts you'll understand what you have said and know that you're just humiliating yourself.
As for the 2nd paragraph you wrote, what makes me so correct? well if you weren't such an idiot and didn't exhibit such poor integrity, maybe I wouldn't come across that way.
You'd turn over more then me would you? I got no doubt you're a mug punter, that's not to say that i'm not either but I will tell you what, let's just say for the sake of the argument that you did turn over more then me, what the **** kind of importance does that hold within the current discussion? There's 2 possible ways of going about it:
you turn over more then me, that means?
I turn over more then you, that means?
either way it doesn't mean **** all in the scheme of things, you're obviously a prepubescent 18-21 year old punk or you wouldn't care to try debate that point, that's your ego trying to come to the fore because let's be honest, in every other facet of this argument you've been sat square on your fat ass.
You hardly post because you're too busy eh, too busy. Yet you decide to walk on in to this thread and post some of the most self-inflicting humiliating things I have ever read in a public forum, you bought all this onto yourself, you were probably under the effect of some sort of substance of beverage when you posted because I don't believe one person could be so stupid as I have already said but you can't sit here and look down on others just because you're "in the know", if you are in the know, that's fine.. each to their own but you can't belittle others because they're not.
Once again, I urge you to **** off, in the nicest possible way, of course.
As for the 2nd paragraph you wrote, what makes me so correct? well if you weren't such an idiot and didn't exhibit such poor integrity, maybe I wouldn't come across that way.
You'd turn over more then me would you? I got no doubt you're a mug punter, that's not to say that i'm not either but I will tell you what, let's just say for the sake of the argument that you did turn over more then me, what the **** kind of importance does that hold within the current discussion? There's 2 possible ways of going about it:
you turn over more then me, that means?
I turn over more then you, that means?
either way it doesn't mean **** all in the scheme of things, you're obviously a prepubescent 18-21 year old punk or you wouldn't care to try debate that point, that's your ego trying to come to the fore because let's be honest, in every other facet of this argument you've been sat square on your fat ass.
You hardly post because you're too busy eh, too busy. Yet you decide to walk on in to this thread and post some of the most self-inflicting humiliating things I have ever read in a public forum, you bought all this onto yourself, you were probably under the effect of some sort of substance of beverage when you posted because I don't believe one person could be so stupid as I have already said but you can't sit here and look down on others just because you're "in the know", if you are in the know, that's fine.. each to their own but you can't belittle others because they're not.
Once again, I urge you to **** off, in the nicest possible way, of course.
http://www.racingnsw.com.au/default.aspx?s=article-display&id=13112
good to see NSW trying to make an effort to clean up the sport (which i think is worse than Victoria). However it is not much use if they dont have powers to look at bank accounts, search premises, tap phones etc. They will still need police involvement to get anywhere.
good to see NSW trying to make an effort to clean up the sport (which i think is worse than Victoria). However it is not much use if they dont have powers to look at bank accounts, search premises, tap phones etc. They will still need police involvement to get anywhere.
Lazza the greatest Greek of all has bin telln you blokes for how long now?...Good Post Logmans.
Lazza was a **** though Otto, he thought even Group 1 races were fixed.....surely you don't think this too
Wake up Joel... Do you honestly think Dunaden and Maluckyday were trying in the Cup.... out the back running 20's to the furlong ...Half the country were on those Horses.... Absolutely impossible for them to figure in the placings... biggest rort all year.
Money Joel...Money.... The game is being ruled by smarter men than us...Those two riders are the up there with best judges of speed in the business..What they did was not illegal..and there in lay the quandary.
Otto it is illegal if they laid their mount on BF
But it would be hard to believe any jockey would deliberately pull a mount in a Group 1
But it would be hard to believe any jockey would deliberately pull a mount in a Group 1
I suppose the jockey of Ethiopia had it in the sweep too 
The overall time of a race is determined by the speed you go in the 1st half of the race... They were shootn for a 3.30 time.... lol...
The longer the race is the easier it is to count for the top Jocks...they knew how slow they were going.
The longer the race is the easier it is to count for the top Jocks...they knew how slow they were going.
What happened to Aker? has preseason training started at Wangaratta Rovers
... Funnily enough Joel it's the only thing they can do.
If only i could release a story i know about and survive telling
sorry boy's, it's makes me feel so special and wanted that you missed me,
and who would be silly enough to write horses weren't trying in the cup!,
i wonder what the trainers are setting them for? the grand annual?
and who would be silly enough to write horses weren't trying in the cup!,
i wonder what the trainers are setting them for? the grand annual?
I woulda thought golden delicious Nice one, Ted.
I suppose the jockey of Ethiopia had it in the sweep too Thanks for the laugh, Joel
Nice one, Ted.I suppose the jockey of Ethiopia had it in the sweep too Thanks for the laugh, Joel
This must be a terrible blow to you all......you deserve better imo.
On the bright side Aussie racing has still got a bit to go to rival England in the cesspit stakes.
Ireland now stands alone...like a shining beacon of light against the overwhelming tide of corruption.
On the bright side Aussie racing has still got a bit to go to rival England in the cesspit stakes.
Ireland now stands alone...like a shining beacon of light against the overwhelming tide of corruption.
Oliver charged....I figure if he's been caught once, he's probably done it 100 times.
One year for each offence....yep 100 years sounds fair.
One year for each offence....yep 100 years sounds fair.
What's easier...ie You have a Horse that's ready to win..Do you put a Jock on and hope for the best..or do you put all your Jocks on the opposition Horses... and make it a real good thing?
There is a thin veil that wofts through the Racing industry... Why is it that all the good apprentices go through Gai's stable at one point or another... is she just being nice?
Why don't we have accurate times taken at every meeting... We can spend 150million on a Grandfknstand but we can't have proper in race sectionals popping up every 200m?
Because they don't want punters getting savvy to times... They don't want punters knowing that those Horses in that race didn't have a fkn hope.
And they don't want punters thinking Why didn't the Stewards who know Racing backwards ...ask some questions...
Remember ..These blokes let Munce out early ffs.
You can't bet on Horses anymore... go and take some lotteries lol.
There is a thin veil that wofts through the Racing industry... Why is it that all the good apprentices go through Gai's stable at one point or another... is she just being nice?
Why don't we have accurate times taken at every meeting... We can spend 150million on a Grandfknstand but we can't have proper in race sectionals popping up every 200m?
Because they don't want punters getting savvy to times... They don't want punters knowing that those Horses in that race didn't have a fkn hope.
And they don't want punters thinking Why didn't the Stewards who know Racing backwards ...ask some questions...
Remember ..These blokes let Munce out early ffs.
You can't bet on Horses anymore... go and take some lotteries lol.
ollie looks like getting 6 -12 months which will be a joke..........they, the media are already drawing comparsions between him and Shinn who got about 15months for over a million in turn over 2 years. Maybe even Aker didnt turnover this much. Oliver, a muched like bloke in the game seems to be going to get off with with a minor slap on the wrist. This is the stewards chance to DRAW THE LINE IN THE SAND, and give him 2years +++, send a message to all those little monkeys that they will not tolerate it anymore
Read about Shinn's punting today. 
Talk about a desperate
, trots, DOGS!! lol
I wonder if he is............LOVEJOY!!
Talk about a desperate
, trots, DOGS!! lolI wonder if he is............LOVEJOY!!
Was ist das? Even our boy OVB grew bored of writing in a comedic German accent.
Was ist das? Even our boy OVB grew bored of writing in a comedic German accent.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaJPNrf1DPY
Nov 12, 2012 -- 9:53AM, Otto_Von_Bismarck wrote:
Wake up Joel... Do you honestly think Dunaden and Maluckyday were trying in the Cup.... out the back running 20's to the furlong ...Half the country were on those Horses.... Absolutely impossible for them to figure in the placings... biggest rort all year.
you ****g idiot
imaging what would of been said after the race if Dunaden sat outside the leader a the half mile marker
deadset, stick to your german gimmick or **** off if you're going to write nonsense like that
Calm down SC, it was obvious from the beginning that the horse travelled from France to Melbourne, won the Caulfield cup, entered in the Melbourne Cup all because the owners wanted to lay it. Obvious.
In the interests of knowing who you're talking to SC...Otto is the artist formerly known as Lazza.
Enjoy checking your lotto tickets mein Herr Otto Von Bismarck, ya stick (if, indeed, this is your real name).
Don't know what Lazza is on but it's seriously made him paranoid, talk about conspiracy theory bullshiit.
Just because Lazza's paranoid, doesn't mean people aren't following him.
Nov 13, 2012 -- 5:40AM, whoopi wrote:
In the interests of knowing who you're talking to SC...Otto is the artist formerly known as Lazza.
haha I don't care who wrote it, it's still an outlandish thing to suggest
fk me, imagine if Dunaden led ffs, after settling near last in the Caufield Cup and braining them, is someone going to tell me that would of been the right thing to do? would've raised more questions then doubts
it's horse racing, races need to be run to suit, the only place they don't need to be run to suit is in England because they always have pace on because of pacemakers, you already know what is going to happen, who will lead etc.. everyone knew Glencadam Gold was going to lead, any decent punter with any clue should have also known he would try make it a walk up front so that he could kick on the bend and win it, they walked and an on speed horse won the race, it's not rocket science
don't like it? don't bet.
lazza's always said ridiculously stupid things when bets don't go to plan, this is no different, get a grip pal, you lost, a lot of people lost, no.. the race wasn't fixed, the best on pacer won the race
regardless of any conspiracy .. there were certainly some interesting points about the big race
gai ... well her glencaddem horse gets away with murder in the lead ...
yes it was alwaays gonna lead .. everyone knew ... and yet they all left it alone in front
one was hughie on mourayan ... whose horse had won the 2500m bart cummings by leading throughout
my quest for peace .. corey .. whose horse had won big ones in the Uk leading them
jimbo on maluckyday ... whose horse won the city tatts club cup by jumping first then running just off the pace throughout
all the highest credentialled nsw jocks for some reason mistook the pace and gai's runner got away with murder up front
the official clock said they ran the last 600m of a melb cup in ... 34.07 ... fs lol
i don't buy into the conspiracy in the cup ... but for mine GW luckily seemed to jag a pace cartel lookalike rort up front ... and
oh yes .. her 2nd stringer ran ... 2nd
ah well ... who knows ... but there's a softie in the next i might take on ... let's race
gai ... well her glencaddem horse gets away with murder in the lead ...
yes it was alwaays gonna lead .. everyone knew ... and yet they all left it alone in front
one was hughie on mourayan ... whose horse had won the 2500m bart cummings by leading throughout
my quest for peace .. corey .. whose horse had won big ones in the Uk leading them
jimbo on maluckyday ... whose horse won the city tatts club cup by jumping first then running just off the pace throughout
all the highest credentialled nsw jocks for some reason mistook the pace and gai's runner got away with murder up front
the official clock said they ran the last 600m of a melb cup in ... 34.07 ... fs lol
i don't buy into the conspiracy in the cup ... but for mine GW luckily seemed to jag a pace cartel lookalike rort up front ... and
oh yes .. her 2nd stringer ran ... 2nd
ah well ... who knows ... but there's a softie in the next i might take on ... let's race
It shouldn't be an argument about how many jockeys pull horses & how often.
The fact is that some corruption is obviously occurring with jockeys betting against their mounts or laying on BF through agents. This should never occur and for the integrity of the industry harsh penalties need to be handed out to anyone caught doing so. I would be disappointed if DO didnt get 2 years. Any lesser penalty sends to wrong message.
The fact is that some corruption is obviously occurring with jockeys betting against their mounts or laying on BF through agents. This should never occur and for the integrity of the industry harsh penalties need to be handed out to anyone caught doing so. I would be disappointed if DO didnt get 2 years. Any lesser penalty sends to wrong message.
Bas, if you line up the form of the "2nd stringer" with a few of the favorites in that race, you'll see that he wasn't really "2nd string"
but you're right in your overall assessment of the race
but you're right in your overall assessment of the race
when I say line up the form, I mean he was really really well weighted to be there when it counted
I spose you knew Glecadem was was gonna go 1.14 for his 1st 1200m in the Caulfield Cup SC?... Look I realize when you don't get/savvy to the the times it's hard for you to understand .
They ran home in 34 in the Cup ffs SC... How was Dunuden gonna run home from back there. anyway GL boys.
They ran home in 34 in the Cup ffs SC... How was Dunuden gonna run home from back there. anyway GL boys.
pretty easy from the armchair isn't it Otto_Von_Bitch
stick the gimmick pal
stick the gimmick pal
this is just a whinge on your behalf, you were a mug and backed a back marker
nothing in that race was gonna run along and make it a real staying test
not the first time you've had a moan after losing in a big race, won't be the last either
nothing in that race was gonna run along and make it a real staying test
not the first time you've had a moan after losing in a big race, won't be the last either
Normally I'd scoff at the suggestion of The Cup being fixed, but when there's a jockey riding one of the favourites who has admitted to being a thief, suddenly the suggestion isn't that outrageous. The Cup's a big enough market to cover any potential loss of riding fee....and it's much easier to lose deliberately than it is to win.
Ed ..I only moan when I see a Jock pulling a rort.. I grant you sometimes I'm wrong when I look at the times later... Ed if it was a 5 Horse field where would Dunaden be in running?...or if it was a 40 Horse field ..where would he be?
My point being it's not that a Horse is a back marker.. It's what time he hit the halfway mark last week ffs that determines the form.
But clearly you are oblivious to it...Did you forget the Newcastle Cup last year Ed When Green Moon rolled along.lol
My point being it's not that a Horse is a back marker.. It's what time he hit the halfway mark last week ffs that determines the form.
But clearly you are oblivious to it...Did you forget the Newcastle Cup last year Ed When Green Moon rolled along.lol
Hey Ed ..We get the stable connection ok...Efficient ..Tanby..Fawkner..GREEN MOON... yeah keep that system up it's a beauty.
I betted against Tanby when I declared, I repeat, I declared that Puissance De Lune was a ****g moral
guess who ran 3rd at juicy odds?
don't worry about it laz, they're all out to get you, they've all been paid off so that you don't back the winner, pretty obvious to me, get over it ffs
guess who ran 3rd at juicy odds?
don't worry about it laz, they're all out to get you, they've all been paid off so that you don't back the winner, pretty obvious to me, get over it ffs
Nov 13, 2012 -- 8:35PM, Otto_Von_Bismarck wrote:
Ed ..I only moan when I see a Jock pulling a rort.. I grant you sometimes I'm wrong when I look at the times later... Ed if it was a 5 Horse field where would Dunaden be in running?...or if it was a 40 Horse field ..where would he be?My point being it's not that a Horse is a back marker.. It's what time he hit the halfway mark last week ffs that determines the form.But clearly you are oblivious to it...Did you forget the Newcastle Cup last year Ed When Green Moon rolled along.lol
so you expect two races to run exactly the same way, **** me dead if it was that easy we'd all be rich
Nov 13, 2012 -- 8:43PM, Otto_Von_Bismarck wrote:
Hey Ed ..We get the stable connection ok...Efficient ..Tanby..Fawkner..GREEN MOON... yeah keep that system up it's a beauty.
what's your system? back the loser and then bitch and moan about the jocks?
there's some stables you can just follow because you know they only get quality animals, if you're blind to what's happening that's fine but don't ridicule me about it, I suppose you're going to sit here and tell me Efficient's derby win wasn't one of the best turns of speed you've ever seen in a horse
delusional comes to mind
Ed .. "so you expect two races to run exactly the same way, **** me dead if it was that easy we'd all be rich"
This statement explains your total lack of Racing comprehension,lol
Answer..No Ed I don't but I expect the Jock to ride it similarly to the way when it won last start..ie as in "ridden to time" not position...You just don't get it hey... No hard feelings Ed.. But just for the record ..I can remember Danehill telling you to pull your head in over some MOANS from you about certain rides?...of course Dane was right ..and you were totally wrong lol.
This statement explains your total lack of Racing comprehension,lol
Answer..No Ed I don't but I expect the Jock to ride it similarly to the way when it won last start..ie as in "ridden to time" not position...You just don't get it hey... No hard feelings Ed.. But just for the record ..I can remember Danehill telling you to pull your head in over some MOANS from you about certain rides?...of course Dane was right ..and you were totally wrong lol.
.I can remember Danehill telling you to pull your head in over some MOANS from you about certain rides?
because that never happened to you either, right?
haha ****face, you're so stupid it's put me into a state of bewilderment, should of stuck to the gimmick pal
because that never happened to you either, right?
haha ****face, you're so stupid it's put me into a state of bewilderment, should of stuck to the gimmick pal
also, how does it explain my "lack of comprehension", you're the mug who expected them to roll along in the Melbourne Cup when it was plain as day for all to see Glencadam Gold was going to walk up front, just like he did in all his wins leading into the Caufield Cup
SecondComing • October 27, 2012 7:06 AM BST
Green Moon is as tough as they come if it comes down to a slog, I know who will win
having a big big go
that was in the Cox Plate racing thread and I stayed true
Nice bit of Aftertiming Ed.
Green Moon is as tough as they come if it comes down to a slog, I know who will win
having a big big go
that was in the Cox Plate racing thread and I stayed true
Nice bit of Aftertiming Ed.
Remember when I posted that Lazza was spending his time away from the forum cataloguing all the threads to use at a future date?
You all doubted me didn't you.
You all doubted me didn't you.
Another clueless spin doctor for the VRC stating that maybe 1 in 10000 races are tainted. Dale Monteith u are a jerk, try taking off 2 zero's to that quote, more likely 1 in 100 races.
Dont rock the boat boys make sure that that resume stays clean for your next corparate job
Dont rock the boat boys make sure that that resume stays clean for your next corparate job
until cops and courts get involved - this stuff will continue
until cops and courts get involved - this stuff will continue
http://au.news.yahoo.com/vic/latest/a/-/article/15374841/police-closing-in-on-les-samba-killer/
Police are closing in on a suspect in the murder of former Sydney horse trainer Les Samba and are focussing on a gangland figure with links to shadowy racing identities, according to the Herald Sun.
The paper says the criminal has a history of violence stretching over more than two decades and is known to be a big gambler.
It said the man has been connected to allegedly corrupt racing identities, AFL footballers and some of Melbourne's most feared criminals.
He was also linked to the Moran crime family in the years before all its main male players were wiped out in Melbourne's underworld war.
Police are closing in on a suspect in the murder of former Sydney horse trainer Les Samba and are focussing on a gangland figure with links to shadowy racing identities, according to the Herald Sun.
The paper says the criminal has a history of violence stretching over more than two decades and is known to be a big gambler.
It said the man has been connected to allegedly corrupt racing identities, AFL footballers and some of Melbourne's most feared criminals.
He was also linked to the Moran crime family in the years before all its main male players were wiped out in Melbourne's underworld war.
it seems the Samba murder may bring racing to its knee's, the phone taps that were put in place have uncovered a pandora's box of corruption within the racing industry
let's hope they all go down if that's the case log
& second, no point arguing with a dill who has been repeatedly barred from the forum
So Ollie gets 9 months. Shinn got 15months which i think was later reduced. One bets furiously over a 2 year period with turnover around 1-2 million but with no evidence he bet against his own mounts, the other has 1 bet against his own mount.................which has committed the biggest crime?
Ollie made around 350k last season, with at least one third being made in a one month period (which he wont miss with a sentence of 9 months)........are these penalties really a big enough deterrent. If in HK this blokes would have got 5 years or a jail sentence, now that sends a strong message...but 9 months, how do u make them shiver in their boots with such a slap on the wrist, surely giving them an extended holiaday to lay around and spend there winnings isnt the answer
Ollie made around 350k last season, with at least one third being made in a one month period (which he wont miss with a sentence of 9 months)........are these penalties really a big enough deterrent. If in HK this blokes would have got 5 years or a jail sentence, now that sends a strong message...but 9 months, how do u make them shiver in their boots with such a slap on the wrist, surely giving them an extended holiaday to lay around and spend there winnings isnt the answer
agree re HK guys ... that style of justice is there to keep em in check
but with ollie vs shinn ... only as an overview not a justification ... one was apparently habitual turning over between $100k and $200k every week over a 2 year period ... the other had a one-off (let's assume at this stage) of just $10k
how stupid is ollie .. or was it some form of depression etc
who doesn't know that digital phones can be tracked
who would phone from inside a jockeys room
who on $300k eanings per annum would risk it all and take the chance of being caught by backing against your own mount ... for what ... about $12½k ???
none of it makes any sense or rationality
9 months from race riding ... plus a psyche assessment ... and quick on the 2nd one ... person at risk for mine
but with ollie vs shinn ... only as an overview not a justification ... one was apparently habitual turning over between $100k and $200k every week over a 2 year period ... the other had a one-off (let's assume at this stage) of just $10k
how stupid is ollie .. or was it some form of depression etc
who doesn't know that digital phones can be tracked
who would phone from inside a jockeys room
who on $300k eanings per annum would risk it all and take the chance of being caught by backing against your own mount ... for what ... about $12½k ???
none of it makes any sense or rationality
9 months from race riding ... plus a psyche assessment ... and quick on the 2nd one ... person at risk for mine
9 months would have been fine if it hard started a month ago
they like soft targets
they like soft targets
slap on wrist. Stewards appear to have no intention of stamping out this activity.
If this was a lawyer committing fraud or a pharmicist providing unapproved drugs then they would never work in their profession again.
It is time that they introduced penalties such as 2year first offence & lifetime 2nd offence. Jockeys that want to punt should find another job.
If this was a lawyer committing fraud or a pharmicist providing unapproved drugs then they would never work in their profession again.
It is time that they introduced penalties such as 2year first offence & lifetime 2nd offence. Jockeys that want to punt should find another job.
2year first offence & lifetime 2nd offence
sounds about right ... if they are serious in stamping it out
out of interest ... can a registered jockeys manager have a punt ?
sounds about right ... if they are serious in stamping it out
out of interest ... can a registered jockeys manager have a punt ?
Jockey managers or any third parties is a problem. I have no opinion on whether they should be allowed to punt however i think that the offence for jockeys should include any third party putting bets on for jockeys or providing a finincial benefit for jockeys to give tips as that really is the same as the jockey betting.
Maybe all jockeys should be forced to bet on their own mounts, that way they should all be trying 
providing a finincial benefit for jockeys to give tips
yep ... that's the HK model ...
but ollie ... i mean ffs ... did he plan that bet for a week in advance ... or was it just a last minute thing sitting in the jockey's room
greed or a form of madness ... i suppose its all the same in the end
we call the jocks monkeys ... as a joke ... but in fact it is very much monkey behaviour
stealing a banana when one of your tribe is looking the other way
we've come a long way as a species ... in a million years ... not lol
reminds me a bit of Key Largo
Bogie has to work out what his captor Edward G wants
so Bogie he says to Edward ... "i know what you want"
Edward G is fascinated ... "What is it .. what di want ?"
and Bogie tells him "What you want is ..... more ... "
well Edward G's eyes light up like a fkn beacon ... glowing ... "yes" he says "that's it, I want MORE"
.......... 2 yrs first offence ... life ban 2nd offence might just be the only way
yep ... that's the HK model ...
but ollie ... i mean ffs ... did he plan that bet for a week in advance ... or was it just a last minute thing sitting in the jockey's room
greed or a form of madness ... i suppose its all the same in the end
we call the jocks monkeys ... as a joke ... but in fact it is very much monkey behaviour
stealing a banana when one of your tribe is looking the other way
we've come a long way as a species ... in a million years ... not lol
reminds me a bit of Key Largo
Bogie has to work out what his captor Edward G wants
so Bogie he says to Edward ... "i know what you want"
Edward G is fascinated ... "What is it .. what di want ?"
and Bogie tells him "What you want is ..... more ... "
well Edward G's eyes light up like a fkn beacon ... glowing ... "yes" he says "that's it, I want MORE"
.......... 2 yrs first offence ... life ban 2nd offence might just be the only way
lol joel 
... but then no-one would be taking a ride then in nsw ... when the pace cartel have one lined up for a kill
... but then no-one would be taking a ride then in nsw ... when the pace cartel have one lined up for a kill
Joel i like your idea.
How did he have a mobile phine 5mins before race? I wouldnt have thought they were allowed in jockeys room.
i dont think you have to go with HK model & jail them but at least suspend their licence.
a once off spur of the moment decision
How did he have a mobile phine 5mins before race? I wouldnt have thought they were allowed in jockeys room.
i dont think you have to go with HK model & jail them but at least suspend their licence.
a once off spur of the moment decision
The arranged outcome was damage control aimed at the general public, not die hard punters.
Allowed to ride over the carnival.
"He had only ever had the one bet."
"Gave himself up."
"personal problems"
Will return next year repentent with the right spin, and who knows, again ride the favourite in the Cup.
Allowed to ride over the carnival.
"He had only ever had the one bet."
"Gave himself up."
"personal problems"
Will return next year repentent with the right spin, and who knows, again ride the favourite in the Cup.
as i mentioned previously it was one week after the very dire rumours started surfacing so at that time he must have been in a very bad place - could be possible he acted that way only at that time imo
Sad day for racing imo. 2 years Minimum for mine.
What were the percentages he'd have made from his rides in the last month
Even if he wasn't already a multi.....I'll bet it tallies up to a fair few massages in Bali for 8 months
imo. 2 years Minimum for mine.What were the percentages he'd have made from his rides in the last month
Even if he wasn't already a multi.....I'll bet it tallies up to a fair few massages in Bali for 8 months
Yet they write 4 Page story on a Dead mans rorts that nobody Cared about what heppened the.
Live in Peace V.J.Knight
At least he was out there winning at all Costs
Live in Peace V.J.Knight
At least he was out there winning at all Costs
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