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Otto_Von_Bismarck
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A Jewish Defector Warns America
By Benjamin H. Freedman


Introductory Note: Benjamin H. Freedman was one of the most intriguing and amazing individuals of the 20th century. Mr. Freedman, born in 1890, was a successful Jewish businessman of New York City who was at one time the principal owner of the Woodbury Soap Company. He broke with organized Jewry after the Judeo-Communist victory of 1945, and spent the remainder of his life and the great preponderance of his considerable fortune, at least 2.5 million dollars, exposing the Jewish tyranny which has enveloped the United States. Mr. Freedman knew what he was talking about because he had been an insider at the highest levels of Jewish organizations and Jewish machinations to gain power over our nation. Mr. Freedman was personally acquainted with Bernard Baruch, Samuel Untermyer, Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Roosevelt, Joseph Kennedy, and John F. Kennedy, and many more movers and shakers of our times. This speech was given before a patriotic audience in 1961 at the Willard Hotel in Washington, D.C., on behalf of Conde McGinley's patriotic newspaper of that time, Common Sense. Though in some minor ways this wide-ranging and extemporaneous speech has become dated, Mr. Freedman's essential message to us -- his warning to the West -- is more urgent than ever before.


SPEECH:

“HERE IN THE UNITED STATES, the Zionists and their co-religionists have complete control of our government. For many reasons, too many and too complex to go into here at this time, the Zionists and their co-religionists rule these United States as though they were the absolute monarchs of this country. Now you may say that is a very broad statement, but let me show you what happened while we were all asleep.

What happened? World War I broke out in the summer of 1914. There are few people here my age who remember that. Now that war was waged on one side by Great Britain, France, and Russia; and on the other side by Germany, Austria-Hungary, and Turkey.

Within two years Germany had won that war: not only won it nominally, but won it actually. The German submarines, which were a surprise to the world, had swept all the convoys from the Atlantic Ocean.

Great Britain stood there without ammunition for her soldiers, with one week's food supply -- and after that, starvation. At that time, the French army had mutinied. They had lost 600,000 of the flower of French youth in the defense of Verdun on the Somme. The Russian army was defecting, they were picking up their toys and going home, they didn't want to play war anymore, they didn't like the Czar. And the Italian army had collapsed.

Not a shot had been fired on German soil. Not one enemy soldier had crossed the border into Germany. And yet, Germany was offering England peace terms. They offered England a negotiated peace on what the lawyers call a status quo ante basis. That means: “Let's call the war off, and let room. There was absolutely no reason for World War I to be our war. We were railroaded into -- if I can be vulgar, we were suckered into -- that war merely so that the Zionists of the world could obtain Palestine. That is something that the people of the United States have never been told. They never knew why we went into World War I.

After we got into the war, the Zionists went to Great Britain and they said: “Well, we performed our part of the agreement. Let's have something in writing that shows that you are going to keep your bargain and give us Palestine after you win the war.” They didn't know whether the war would last another year or another ten years. So they started to work out a receipt. The receipt took the form of a letter, which was worded in very cryptic language so that the world at large wouldn't know what it was all about. And that was called the Balfour Declaration.

The Balfour Declaration was merely Great Britain's promise to pay the Zionists what they had agreed upon as a consideration for getting the United States into the war. So this great Balfour Declaration, that you hear so much about, is just as phony as a three dollar bill. I don't think I could make it more emphatic than that.

That is where all the trouble started. The United States got in the war. The United States crushed Germany. You know what happened. When the war ended, and the Germans went to Paris for the Paris Peace Conference in 1919 there were 117 Jews there, as a delegation representing the Jews, headed by Bernard Baruch. I was there: I ought to know. Now what happened? The Jews at that peace conference, when they were cutting up Germany and parceling out Europe to all these nations who claimed a right to a certain part of European territory, said, “How about Palestine for us?” And they produced, for the first time to the knowledge of the Germans, this Balfour Declaration. So the Germans, for the first time realized, “Oh, so that was the game!

That's why the United States came into the war.” The Germans for the first time realized that they were defeated, they suffered the terrific reparations that were slapped onto them, because the Zionists wanted Palestine and were determined to get it at any cost.

That brings us to another very interesting point. When the Germans realized this, they naturally resented it. Up to that time, the Jews had never been better off in any country in the world than they had been in Germany. You had Mr. Rathenau there, who was maybe 100 times as important in industry and finance as is Bernard Baruch in this country. You had Mr. Balin, who owned the two big steamship lines, the North German Lloyd's and the Hamburg-American Lines. You had Mr. Bleichroder, who was the banker for the Hohenzollern family. You had the Warburgs in Hamburg, who were the big merchant bankers -- the biggest in the world. The Jews were doing very well in Germany. No question about that. The Germans felt: “Well, that was quite a sellout.”

It was a sellout that might be compared to this hypothetical situation: Suppose the United States was at war with the Soviet Union. And we were winning. And we told the Soviet Union: “Well, let's quit. We offer you peace terms. Let's forget the whole thing.” And all of a sudden Red China came into the war as an ally of the Soviet Union. And throwing them into the war brought about our defeat. A crushing defeat, with reparations the likes of which man's imagination cannot encompass. Imagine, then, after that defeat, if we found out that it was the Chinese in this country, our Chinese citizens, who all the time we had thought were loyal citizens working with us, were selling us out to the Soviet Union and that it was through them that Red China was brought into the war against us. How would we feel, then, in the United States against Chinese? I don't think that one of them would dare show his face on any street. There wouldn't be enough convenient lampposts to take care of them. Imagine how we would feel.

Well, that's how the Germans felt towards these Jews. They'd been so nice to them: from 1905 on, when the first Communist revolution in Russia failed, and the Jews had to scramble out of Russia, they all went to Germany. And Germany gave them refuge. And they were treated very nicely. And here they had sold Germany down the river for no reason at all other than the fact that they wanted Palestine as a so-called “Jewish commonwealth.”

Now Nahum Sokolow, and all the great leaders and great names that you read about in connection with Zionism today, in 1919, 1920, 1921, 1922, and 1923 wrote in all their papers -- and the press was filled with their statements -- that the feeling against the Jews in Germany is due to the fact that they realized that this great defeat was brought about by Jewish intercession in bringing the United States into the war. The Jews themselves admitted that. It wasn't that the Germans in 1919 discovered that a glass of Jewish blood tasted better than Coca-Cola or Muenschner Beer. There was no religious feeling. There was no sentiment against those people merely on account of their religious belief. It was all political. It was economic. It was anything but religious. Nobody cared in Germany whether a Jew went home and pulled down the shades and said “Shema' Yisroel” or “Our Father.” Nobody cared in Germany any more than they do in the United States. Now this feeling that developed later in Germany was due to one thing: the Germans held the Jews responsible for their crushing defeat.

And World War I had been started against Germany for no reason for which Germany was responsible. They were guilty of nothing. Only of being successful. They built up a big navy.

They built up world trade. You must remember that Germany at the time of the French Revolution consisted of 300 small city-states, principalities, dukedoms, and so forth. Three hundred separate little political entities. And between that time, between the times of Napoleon and Bismarck, they were consolidated into one state. And within 50 years they became one of the world's great powers. Their navy was rivaling Great Britain's, they were doing business all over the world, they could undersell anybody, they could make better products. What happened as a result of that?

There was a conspiracy between England, France, and Russia to slap down Germany. There isn't one historian in the world who can find a valid reason why those three countries decided to wipe Germany off the map politically.

When Germany realized that the Jews were responsible for her defeat, they naturally resented it. But not a hair on the head of any Jew was harmed. Not a single hair. Professor Tansill, of Georgetown University, who had access to all the secret papers of the State Department, wrote in his book, and quoted from a State Department document written by Hugo Schoenfelt, a Jew whom Cordell Hull sent to Europe in 1933 to investigate the so-called camps of political prisoners, who wrote back that he found them in very fine condition. They were in excellent shape, with everybody treated well. And they were filled with Communists. Well, a lot of them were Jews, because the Jews happened to comprise about 98 per cent of the Communists in Europe at that time. And there were some priests there, and ministers, and labor leaders, and Masons, and others who had international affiliations.

Some background is in order: In 1918-1919 the Communists took over Bavaria for a few days.

Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht and a group of other Jews took over the government for three days. In fact, when the Kaiser ended the war he fled to Holland because he thought the Communists were going to take over Germany as they did Russia and that he was going to meet the same fate as the Czar. So he fled to Holland for safety, for security. After the Communist threat in Germany was quashed, the Jews were still working, trying to get back into their former status, and the Germans fought them in every way they could without hurting a single hair on anyone's head. They fought them the same way that, in this country, the Prohibitionists fought anyone who was interested in liquor. They didn't fight one another with pistols. Well, that's the way they were fighting the Jews in Germany. And at that time, mind you, there were 80 to 90 million Germans, and there were only 460,000 Jews. About one half of one per cent of the population of Germany were Jews. And yet they controlled all the press, and they controlled most of the economy because they had come in with cheap money when the mark was devalued and bought up practically everything.

The Jews tried to keep a lid on this fact. They didn't want the world to really understand that they had sold out Germany, and that the Germans resented that.

The Germans took appropriate action against the Jews. They, shall I say, discriminated against them wherever they could. They shunned them. The same way that we would shun the Chinese, or the Negroes, or the Catholics, or anyone in this country who had sold us out to an enemy and brought about our defeat.

After a while, the Jews of the world called a meeting in Amsterdam. Jews from every country in the world attended this meeting in July 1933. And they said to Germany: “You fire Hitler, and you put every Jew back into his former position, whether he was a Communist or no matter what he was. You can't treat us that way. And we, the Jews of the world, are serving an ultimatum upon you.” You can imagine what the Germans told them. So what did the Jews do?

In 1933, when Germany refused to surrender to the world conference of Jews in Amsterdam, the conference broke up, and Mr. Samuel Untermyer, who was the head of the American delegation and the president of the whole conference, came to the United States and went from the steamer to the studios of the Columbia Broadcasting System and made a radio broadcast throughout the United States in which he in effect said, “The Jews of the world now declare a Holy War against Germany. We are now engaged in a sacred conflict against the Germans. And we are going to starve them into surrender. We are going to use a world-wide boycott against them. That will destroy them because they are dependent upon their export business.” And it is a fact that two thirds of Germany's food supply had to be imported, and it could only be imported with the proceeds of what they exported. So if Germany could not export, two thirds of Germany's population would have to starve.

There was just not enough food for more than one third of the population. Now in this declaration, which I have here, and which was printed in the New York Times on August 7, 1933, Mr. Samuel Untermyer boldly stated that “this economic boycott is our means of self-defense. President Roosevelt has advocated its use in the National Recovery Administration,” which some of you may remember, where everybody was to be boycotted unless he followed the rules laid down by the New Deal, and which was declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court of that time. Nevertheless, the Jews of the world declared a boycott against Germany, and it was so effective that you couldn't find one thing in any store anywhere in the world with the words “made in Germany” on it. In fact, an executive of the Woolworth Company told me that they had to dump millions of dollars worth of crockery and dishes into the river; that their stores were boycotted if anyone came in and found a dish marked “made in Germany,” they were picketed with signs saying “Hitler,” “murderer,” and so forth, something like these sit-ins that are taking place in the South.

At a store belonging to the R. H. Macy chain, which was controlled by a family called Strauss who also happen to be Jews, a woman found stockings there which came from Chemnitz, marked “made in Germany.” Well, they were cotton stockings and they may have been there 20 years, since I've been observing women's legs for many years and it's been a long time since I've seen any cotton stockings on them. I saw Macy's boycotted, with hundreds of people walking around with signs saying “murderers,” “Hitlerites,” and so forth. Now up to that time, not one hair on the head of any Jew had been hurt in Germany. There was no suffering, there was no starvation, there was no murder, there was nothing.

Naturally, the Germans said, “Who are these people to declare a boycott against us and throw all our people out of work, and make our industries come to a standstill? Who are they to do that to us?” They naturally resented it. Certainly they painted swastikas on stores owned by Jews. Why should a German go in and give his money to a storekeeper who was part of a boycott that was going to starve Germany into surrendering to the Jews of the world, who were going to dictate who their premier or chancellor was to be? Well, it was ridiculous.

The boycott continued for some time, but it wasn't until 1938, when a young Jew from Poland walked into the German embassy in Paris and shot a German official, that the Germans really started to get rough with the Jews in Germany. And you found them then breaking windows and having street fights and so forth.

Now I don't like to use the word “anti-Semitism” because it's meaningless, but it means something to you still, so I'll have to use it. The only reason that there was any feeling in Germany against Jews was that they were responsible for World War I and for this world-wide boycott. Ultimately they were also responsible for World War II, because after this thing got out of hand, it was absolutely necessary for the Jews and Germany to lock horns in a war to see which one was going to survive.

In the meanwhile, I had lived in Germany, and I knew that the Germans had decided that Europe is going to be Christian or Communist: there is no in between. And the Germans decided they were going to keep it Christian if possible. And they started to re-arm.

In November 1933 the United States recognized the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union was becoming very powerful, and Germany realized that “Our turn was going to come soon, unless we are strong.” The same as we in this country are saying today, “Our turn is going to come soon, unless we are strong.” Our government is spending 83 or 84 billion dollars for defense.

Defense against whom? Defense against 40,000 little Jews in Moscow that took over Russia, and then, in their devious ways, took over control of many other countries of the world.

For this country now to be on the verge of a Third World War, from which we cannot emerge a victor, is something that staggers my imagination. I know that nuclear bombs are measured in terms of megatons. A megaton is a term used to describe one million tons of TNT. Our nuclear bombs had a capacity of 10 megatons, or 10 million tons of TNT, when they were first developed. Now, the nuclear bombs that are being developed have a capacity of 200 megatons, and God knows how many megatons the nuclear bombs of the Soviet Union have.

What do we face now? If we trigger a world war that may develop into a nuclear war, humanity is finished. Why might such a war take place? It will take place as the curtain goes up on Act 3: Act 1 was World War I, Act 2 was World War II, Act 3 is going to be World War III. The Jews of the world, the Zionists and their co-religionists everywhere, are determined that they are going to again use the United States to help them permanently retain Palestine as their foothold for their world government. That is just as true as I am standing here. Not alone have I read it, but many here have also read it, and it is known all over the world.

What are we going to do? The life you save may be your son's. Your boys may be on their way to that war tonight; and you you don't know it any more than you knew that in 1916 in London the Zionists made a deal with the British War Cabinet to send your sons to war in Europe. Did you know it at that time? Not a person in the United States knew it. You weren't permitted to know it.
Who knew it? President Wilson knew it. Colonel House knew it. Other insiders knew it.

Did I know it? I had a pretty good idea of what was going on: I was liaison to Henry Morgenthau, Sr., in the 1912 campaign when President Wilson was elected, and there was talk around the office there. I was “confidential man” to Henry Morgenthau, Sr., who was chairman of the finance committee, and I was liaison between him and Rollo Wells, the treasurer. So I sat in these meetings with President Wilson at the head of the table, and all the others, and I heard them drum into President Wilson's brain the graduated income tax and what has become the Federal Reserve, and I heard them indoctrinate him with the Zionist movement. Justice Brandeis and President Wilson were just as close as the two fingers on this hand. President Woodrow Wilson was just as incompetent when it came to determining what was going on as a newborn baby.

That is how they got us into World War I, while we all slept. They sent our boys over there to be slaughtered. For what? So the Jews can have Palestine as their “commonwealth.” They've fooled you so much that you don't know whether you're coming or going.

Now any judge, when he charges a jury, says, “Gentlemen, any witness who you find has told a single lie, you can disregard all his testimony.” I don't know what state you come from, but in New York state that is the way a judge addresses a jury. If that witness told one lie, disregard his testimony.

What are the facts about the Jews? (I call them Jews to you, because they are known as Jews. I don't call them Jews myself. I refer to them as so-called Jews, because I know what they are.) The eastern European Jews, who form 92 per cent of the world's population of those people who call themselves Jews, were originally Khazars. They were a warlike tribe who lived deep in the heart of Asia. And they were so warlike that even the Asiatics drove them out of Asia into eastern Europe. They set up a large Khazar kingdom of 800,000 square miles. At the time, Russia did not exist, nor did many other European countries. The Khazar kingdom was the biggest country in all Europe -- so big and so powerful that when the other monarchs wanted to go to war, the Khazars would lend them 40,000 soldiers. That's how big and powerful they were.

They were phallic worshippers, which is filthy and I do not want to go into the details of that now.

But that was their religion, as it was also the religion of many other pagans and barbarians elsewhere in the world. The Khazar king became so disgusted with the degeneracy of his kingdom that he decided to adopt a so-called monotheistic faith -- either Christianity, Islam, or what is known today as Judaism, which is really Talmudism. By spinning a top, and calling out “eeny, meeny, miney, moe,” he picked out so-called Judaism. And that became the state religion. He sent down to the Talmudic schools of Pumbedita and Sura and brought up thousands of rabbis, and opened up synagogues and schools, and his people became what we call Jews. There wasn't one of them who had an ancestor who ever put a toe in the Holy Land.

Not only in Old Testament history, but back to the beginning of time. Not one of them! And yet they come to the Christians and ask us to support their armed insurrections in Palestine by saying, “You want to help repatriate God's Chosen People to their Promised Land, their ancestral home, don't you? It's your Christian duty. We gave you one of our boys as your Lord and Savior.

You now go to church on Sunday, and you kneel and you worship a Jew, and we're Jews.” But they are pagan Khazars who were converted just the same as the Irish were converted. It is as ridiculous to call them “people of the Holy Land,” as it would be to call the 54 million Chinese Moslems “Arabs.” Mohammed only died in 620 A.D., and since then 54 million Chinese have accepted Islam as their religious belief. Now imagine, in China, 2,000 miles away from Arabia, from Mecca and Mohammed's birthplace. Imagine if the 54 million Chinese decided to call themselves “Arabs.” You would say they were lunatics. Anyone who believes that those 54 million Chinese are Arabs must be crazy. All they did was adopt as a religious faith a belief that had its origin in Mecca, in Arabia. The same as the Irish. When the Irish became Christians, nobody dumped them in the ocean and imported to the Holy Land a new crop of inhabitants.

They hadn't become a different people. They were the same people, but they had accepted Christianity as a religious faith.

These Khazars, these pagans, these Asiatics, these Turko-Finns, were a Mongoloid race who were forced out of Asia into eastern Europe. Because their king took the Talmudic faith, they had no choice in the matter. Just the same as in Spain: If the king was Catholic, everybody had to be a Catholic. If not, you had to get out of Spain. So the Khazars became what we call today Jews.

Now imagine how silly it was for the great Christian countries of the world to say, “We're going to use our power and prestige to repatriate God's Chosen People to their ancestral homeland, their Promised Land.” Could there be a bigger lie than that? Because they control the newspapers, the magazines, the radio, the television, the book publishing business, and because they have the ministers in the pulpit and the politicians on the soapboxes talking the same language, it is not too surprising that you believe that lie. You'd believe black is white if you heard it often enough. You wouldn't call black black anymore -- you'd start to call black white. And nobody could blame you.

That is one of the great lies of history. It is the foundation of all the misery that has befallen the world.

Do you know what Jews do on the Day of Atonement, that you think is so sacred to them? I was one of them. This is not hearsay. I'm not here to be a rabble-rouser. I'm here to give you facts.

When, on the Day of Atonement, you walk into a synagogue, you stand up for the very first prayer that you recite. It is the only prayer for which you stand. You repeat three times a short prayer called the Kol Nidre. In that prayer, you enter into an agreement with God Almighty that any oath, vow, or pledge that you may make during the next twelve months shall be null and void. The oath shall not be an oath; the vow shall not be a vow; the pledge shall not be a pledge. They shall have no force or effect. And further, the Talmud teaches that whenever you take an oath, vow, or pledge, you are to remember the Kol Nidre prayer that you recited on the Day of Atonement, and you are exempted from fulfilling them. How much can you depend on their loyalty? You can depend upon their loyalty as much as the Germans depended upon it in 1916.

We are going to suffer the same fate as Germany suffered, and for the same reason.”

― Benjamin H. Freedman
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Report Joel September 12, 2012 3:16 AM BST
Thanks Lazza
Report spyvspy27 September 12, 2012 3:20 AM BST
Good to see you always do as you're told Mr Joel Laugh
Report whoopi September 12, 2012 3:23 AM BST
conspiracy!
Report Otto_Von_Bismarck September 12, 2012 3:24 AM BST
Herr Lazza is Greek FFS?,
Report spyvspy27 September 12, 2012 3:27 AM BST
Maybe Herr Bis backdoored lazzas greek mudder LaughLaugh
Report Otto_Von_Bismarck September 12, 2012 3:29 AM BST
Laugh
Report Lets Elope September 12, 2012 3:54 AM BST
Sounds very suspiciously like the same prejudicial craap a former forumite used to spew forth on a regular basis. Exposed your true colour now Otto. I suspectedbefore but now I know.
Report whoopi September 12, 2012 4:00 AM BST
would the real Otto please stand up.Laugh
Report Otto_Von_Bismarck September 12, 2012 4:00 AM BST
Herr Let's is seldom right and wrong again Ha Ha!!

Za Truth is za Truth!
Report whoopi September 12, 2012 4:01 AM BST
i can settle this with one question.......................How do you feel about dogs Otto?Happy
Report spyvspy27 September 12, 2012 4:03 AM BST
He loves them so long as he has tomato sauce to put on them
Report whoopi September 12, 2012 4:12 AM BST
Otto i was a bit sceptical about this thread until Lets rubbished it...Now I know it must be true.Cool
Report Otto_Von_Bismarck September 12, 2012 4:12 AM BST
I have 2 German Shepard's ja!
Report whoopi September 12, 2012 4:17 AM BST
Excellent..They are the best breed ..ja ja
Report whoopi September 12, 2012 4:22 AM BST
some useless trivia...Did you know they changed the name of the breed to Alsation during the Second World War because of the stigma attached to the word German
Report Lets Elope September 12, 2012 4:47 AM BST
Particularly useless information Whoopi especially seeing you spelt the name incorrectly, it's actually AlsatianLaugh
Report whoopi September 12, 2012 5:11 AM BST
Lets...heard of people in glass houses?
Report whoopi September 12, 2012 5:20 AM BST
Does damn typos ring a bell?Laugh
Report spyvspy27 September 12, 2012 5:50 AM BST
Typos and don't forget hypocrisy Mr Cushion
Report spyvspy27 September 12, 2012 5:56 AM BST
Speaking of Mr Elope that reminds me, I think Indianapolis will appreciate the 1600 and I expect it to go straight to front and bolt in, also think the fav Chez Harmony has had enough and will struggle to even run a place
Report Lets Elope September 12, 2012 6:01 AM BST
I recognise my mistakes though whoopi
Report spyvspy27 September 12, 2012 6:01 AM BST
Wheres all my well dones, booms and bangs you mongrels?
Report Otto_Von_Bismarck September 12, 2012 6:07 AM BST
Herr Let's,is your real name Heinz or Helmet,Because you like a Dunder Brains.
Report whoopi September 12, 2012 6:11 AM BST
really Lets?
I've never seen you recognise that 200 word sentences, with no punctuation are incorrect.
Lets most of your posts are illegible at best.
I wouldn't normally bother to point out the obvious but some people require the sledge hammer approach.
As for admitting your other mistakes, urinating on the dead is a huge one in my book.

And Spy....

BOOM....BANG.....ZAP......KAPOW!!!!
Report spyvspy27 September 12, 2012 6:15 AM BST
Thank you Mr cushion, was starting to think that my help wasn't appreciated
Report Lets Elope September 12, 2012 10:45 AM BST
I've already addressed that Whoopi but seeing you're a bit "slow"  once again it was directed at the organisation indirectly responsible and was not having a shot at the player something that I pointed out from the outset
Furthermore I have no problem whatsoever with the opinion that I voiced, obviously basic comprehension wasn't your strong suit in school either.
Report CrazySnake September 12, 2012 1:07 PM BST
whoopi,

I dont have the citation but I suspect that your trivia might be incorrect. In England they were called Alsatians because of the place from which they originated (once again citation required). It could be that the English changed the name because of the stigma attached to the "German" word (and who could blame them at the time). However, they are still called Alsatians in England today (at least they were in 1978) and lots of the English drive BMWs and Mercedes Laugh
Now where's Tree...he'll no doubt suggest that it was racism that caused the name change Wink
Report CrazySnake September 12, 2012 1:46 PM BST
Well, that was quite a read...
Not being a history major, and not knowing what the original form of history took, I can't say if there is any truth to this dissertation. About all anyone could say with any certainty is that this man hates the very idea of Judaism in the form of the day, and if what he said is correct is puts a very different light on the atrocities of world war II and the genocide driven by Hitler's ethnic cleansing ethos.
It just goes to show, if you put lunatics in control of powerful puppets there isnt anyone who really stands a chance.
Report Otto_Von_Bismarck September 12, 2012 2:12 PM BST
History is written by the victor's,most of the time.In life,you must question everything.
Report CrazySnake September 12, 2012 2:13 PM BST
Any way you spin it, Hitler was still a nutcase Happy
Report Otto_Von_Bismarck September 12, 2012 2:32 PM BST
Herr CS,Was Ho Chi Mihn a mad men as well?
Report Otto_Von_Bismarck September 12, 2012 2:37 PM BST
By the way Herr CS,this story is not about Hitler.
Report CrazySnake September 12, 2012 2:38 PM BST
Nothing wrong with the advocation of communism (in essence it's a decent premise, even if men of power chose to exploit its ideals). Nothing wrong with defending home soil either, if that is the outcome. History, especially vietnamese history will say he was sane and Saigon is a remnant of the past because of that.

Similar outcome to Hitler, but a more elegant expression of that will would be my judgment. So, for mine, probably not.

Let the history lesson begin! Excited
Report Otto_Von_Bismarck September 12, 2012 2:43 PM BST
Cool
Report CrazySnake September 12, 2012 2:54 PM BST
I know the story was not about Hitler, but the anti-semitism that ensued was certainly about him.
My point was that it's fine to recognise your true adversary, but how you choose to fight that adversary should not be to gather up any and all innocents and expose them to copious amounts of lethal gas. By any measure, he was completely out of his mind. The fact that he convinced a nation (and more) to support that cause is a testament to his persuasiveness and his vehement lunacy.
The Germans lost a generation of credibility because of the way they allowed their outcomes to be recognised, and somewhere in that mess their original cause was lost.
Report CrazySnake September 12, 2012 2:59 PM BST
Having said all that I am starting to think Ho might have been a nutbag as well Laugh

There's certainly a lot of similarities in their MO.
Report zooot September 12, 2012 3:00 PM BST
WWI was in part a planned strategy to weaken Germany who was becoming a rival colonial power to England.  It was never expected to go on so long or cost so much but achieved the immediate aim.  WWII was partly a chess move to weaken Russia long term.  Both were great money making opportunities for certain bankers and businessmen including the some very well known US families.  The classic elite strategy is to play countries and empires off against each other to achieve certain ends and make the easy profits of war.  Read some of the history by Professor Sutton
Report CrazySnake September 12, 2012 3:07 PM BST
I find history a fascinating subject, but I suspect much of what is written is pure fiction.
It's next to impossible to know the whole truth, so I reserve the right to debate it for the fun of it and without any misguided belief that I might know what actually happened and why.
About all I know is people have become far more elegant at achieving personal outcomes. The machine of war is considered a necessary evil these days, and in the minds of many you could drop the four letter part of that without fear of reprisal Laugh
I shake my head....why can't we all hold hands and sing kumbaya.
Report Otto_Von_Bismarck September 12, 2012 3:08 PM BST
This story is about thinking laterally,This man has given us insight away from the standard indoctrination.He is asking you to think,not to recite.
Report CrazySnake September 12, 2012 3:09 PM BST
Sure, I see that part and I like it. But I am not reciting anyone with my beliefs about Hitler. His name could just as easily have been Suttler Wink
Report whoopi September 12, 2012 10:56 PM BST
so lets....You are proud of calling a dead man a drug user.....says it all really.
Report whoopi September 12, 2012 11:08 PM BST
And Snake...My story of the German Shepherd is correct.
The English call them German Shepherds today. In 78 the old habits die hard principle would still have applied.
An extract from the Wessex Area German Shepherd club:
A brief history lesson

In the wake of the First World War (1914 – 1918), there was a surge of anti-German sentiment in Britain, the Commonwealth and America. By association, anything ‘tainted’ by the word German in its name became quite politically incorrect. Even the British Royal family (who had German origins) changed their name from the House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha to the House of Windsor. This surge of anti-German feeling came at a time when the first German Shepherd Dogs were making their appearance in Britain.

Up until this time, the GSD was virtually unknown in Britain. It was returning soldiers that brought the first wave of GSDs to Britain. They also brought fantastic stories of the extraordinary feats and heroic deeds that the dogs had exhibited in battle. At the time it was feared that the public would not take to any animal referred to as ‘German’. To allay these fears the Kennel Club promptly changed the name in 1919 to the ‘Alsatian Wolf Dog’.


I did get my Wars wrongLaugh
Report whoopi September 12, 2012 11:13 PM BST
you don't go flying off blaconies generally on post season trips if you're not into drugs DT,

Do you remember writing that Lets?
Now in simple sentences that even I can understand, how are you NOT calling a dead man a drug user?
Report whoopi September 12, 2012 11:31 PM BST
You see Lets if you were an honourable man you would have written the following:

I realise that my post is offensive in that it implies that the deceased was a drug user.
I apologise to those offended and assure everyone that that was not my intent.

Instead you have continued to try and defend the indefensible.

Lies, spin and hypocrisy are far from honourable.
Report Otto_Von_Bismarck September 13, 2012 12:09 AM BST
Herr Crazy,How are your beliefs formed? From information if I may.You should re-read what he is saying.
Report Lets Elope September 13, 2012 4:16 AM BST
Whoopi I know what I have written and didnt write so rather than use selective excerpts to amanufacture your blatant lies anyone who wishes to read it in context will realise immediately that you have an agenda, not me and that I made it patently clear on numerous occasions that I was not having a go at the player but at the organisation that was indirectly responsible, enough said.
Report whoopi September 13, 2012 4:19 AM BST
you don't go flying off blaconies generally on post season trips if you're not into drugs DT,

Enough saidLaughLaugh
Report whoopi September 13, 2012 4:27 AM BST
Sorry Lets...you were very specific with your accusation.
Clearly it was a blight on the deceased.

In court the test is whether a reasonable person would have perceived it that way.
So why don't we put it to the forum.
Did anyone NOT think that Lets was saying the player used drugs?

Or Lets you could be a man, admit you were out of line, and apologise.

THE HYPOCRISY IS BREATHTAKING. You had a go at Monday Mike for accusing a trainer of drugging horses.....yet you have no problem accusing a dead person of being a druggie.

STAGGERING....to say the least
Report spyvspy27 September 13, 2012 5:24 AM BST
You think thats staggering Mr Cushion? Just wait for his reply Laugh
Report whoopi September 13, 2012 5:27 AM BST
yes spy, for my own sanity I have to let this go..Laugh
Report spyvspy27 September 13, 2012 5:29 AM BST
Please don't LaughLaughLaugh
Report CrazySnake September 13, 2012 6:21 AM BST
Herr Bismark,

I am now officially confused. What are YOU trying to say?
Are you implying that my assertions about Hitler are wrong? Or that I should not even be making them?
I know the author was not referring to Hitler. In fact, historically it had nothing whatsoever to do with Hitler or Germany in reality.
I have not misunderstood the text. I was merely making editorial comment so that any personal sentiment that might attempt to exonerate the Germans on the basis that the Jews "had it coming" was quickly squashed.
Report Otto_Von_Bismarck September 13, 2012 7:22 AM BST
I thought he was trying to give us a warning,Herr Crazy.
Report CrazySnake September 13, 2012 7:28 AM BST
Clearly he thinks that from the last line of the text, but he was speaking specifically about the US wasn't he?
He makes considerable mention of Palestine but he could not have known the current condition of that state when he wrote it.
Or am I being too literal?
Report spyvspy27 September 13, 2012 7:31 AM BST
Mr Snake Israel was formed in the 40s,the speech was made in 1961 wasn't it?
Report CrazySnake September 13, 2012 7:37 AM BST
The State of Israel was formed after the second world war....I assume we are not referring to the kingdom.

I must have missed the point. Now I'm really confused.
Report CrazySnake September 13, 2012 7:44 AM BST
Oh sorry spy, I see your point. He did know something of Palestine at that time. But as the foreward noted, the speech has become somewhat dated.
Report CrazySnake September 13, 2012 7:47 AM BST
Well anyway, it's certainly a fascinating article and very thought provoking. I am going to read it again.

I wonder what the Wachowski Brothers knew of this when they wrote the Matrix series. Sound like Polish Jews to me...
Report Otto_Von_Bismarck September 13, 2012 8:09 AM BST
It is a great article Herr CS,especially given the current state of affairs.
Report spyvspy27 September 13, 2012 9:00 AM BST
What if said article is just anti semitic propaganda?
Report CrazySnake September 13, 2012 9:39 AM BST
It's certainly anti-semitic, or at least a subset of. Given it is from a defecting Jew I think that's a given.
By definition it's propaganda because he is trying to influence the audience into a different way of thinking, but this does not qualify as propaganda in the negative sense IMO.
So what if it is?
Report Otto_Von_Bismarck September 13, 2012 11:05 PM BST
Laughing Loudly now!!,Herr Freedman is correct on all accounts here,even to the point of knowing your reaction "today',from zee grave ha ha.
Herr Crazypython,You mentioned the the Jews being gassed in the chambers,what about the other 4 million people or don't they count?.
It appears,that you are calling Black,White.

As for Ho Chi Minh,Of course you would think he was a madman.That's how it has been told to you.After all,if you woke up one morning and realized you couldn't vote in your own Country,you would just go back to sleep.ha ha.
Report Otto_Von_Bismarck September 13, 2012 11:29 PM BST
Herr Spy,Today,if you are against circumcision then "you are Antisemitic".We obviously we not born with zee right equipment ha ha.
It appears the "Phallic" ways are still around.Zee "D ick Worshipers" Laughing Loudly!!
Report spyvspy27 September 14, 2012 12:11 AM BST
The only thing i am against is septic, does that make me antiseptic? Which i'm sure they use whilst performing a circo
Report Otto_Von_Bismarck September 14, 2012 12:25 AM BST
Herr Spy,If you only knew what happened during that ceremony.You would drink antiseptic like fkn whiskey,not sctopping till you vere unconscious.No Laughing now.
Report spyvspy27 September 14, 2012 12:31 AM BST
Herr Bis, of course I know, zee little one gets circumcised, meaning his foreskin gets cut off.
Report Otto_Von_Bismarck September 14, 2012 12:45 AM BST
Let's just say Herr Spy zat a transference of fluids is exchanged.Bit like a Vampire,I know that you're Laughing Loudly but ziss is true or may my Iron Cross burn zee hole right through me.
Report spyvspy27 September 14, 2012 12:47 AM BST
Are you sure you didn't fall out of the same tree that Mr Tree did Herr Bis?
Report CrazySnake September 14, 2012 5:09 AM BST
Herr Bis,

If Ho Chi Mihn was not a madman, then perhaps you could explain why not.

It is not the ethos that defines you, but your methods...
Report Otto_Von_Bismarck September 14, 2012 6:42 AM BST
It's funny how America names it's Helicopter Gunships after victim's of genocide.Blackhawke,Apache and Comanche.I wonder what reaction the Germans would get,if the Luftwaffe named it's military Helicopter's Jew and Gypsy?
Report CrazySnake September 14, 2012 7:42 AM BST
That is one way to interpret the naming, or perhaps you could view it as recognition of their travesties...
Report spyvspy27 September 14, 2012 9:23 AM BST
Whats your opinion on Gaddaffi Mr Snake?
Report The_KAMIKAZEE_DRINKING_MACHINE September 14, 2012 11:32 AM BST
Interesting stuff indeed.
Report Barney The Bot Slayer September 14, 2012 12:00 PM BST
I can't be bothered reading this sh1t

But a german having a pot shot at a jew??

Has that been tried b4??
Report Otto_Von_Bismarck September 14, 2012 12:07 PM BST
He's actually a Jew having a shot at his own Herr Barney.
Report The_KAMIKAZEE_DRINKING_MACHINE September 14, 2012 12:09 PM BST
'I can't be bothered reading this sh!t' is what Barney says at work every day!!!
Report CrazySnake September 14, 2012 12:17 PM BST
Mr Spy,

I don't have an extensive opinion on Gaddafi tbh. About all I know of him is that he had a God complex. Beyond that I havent read a lot about him.

What are your thoughts?
Report The_KAMIKAZEE_DRINKING_MACHINE September 14, 2012 12:25 PM BST
He was an anti Israel/jew and has gone the way of all the rest of them!!
Report spyvspy27 September 14, 2012 2:53 PM BST
No real opinion on him Mr Snake, as what or who do you believe? But I find it strange that he went from being nominated for a nobel prize  to an evil dictator in the space of a couple of years
Report CrazySnake September 14, 2012 3:14 PM BST
Further evidence that it isn't the ethos by which you work, but your methods in achieving those ends.
Report spyvspy27 September 14, 2012 3:18 PM BST
So you're an end justifies the means guy Mr Snake?
Report spyvspy27 September 14, 2012 3:18 PM BST
The end justifies the means
Report CrazySnake September 14, 2012 3:28 PM BST
Quite the opposite, Mr Spy.
Report spyvspy27 September 14, 2012 3:34 PM BST
Just clarifying. I would suggest most Libyans didn't mind his methods, petrol 60 cents a gallon, water, electricity and education were all free, virtually no homeless, Libya had the highest HDI of all the middle east, every Libyan had $500.00 deposited into their bank accounts every month from the oil profits. I wouldn't mind if we had a leader like that and would be happy if he/she stayed in power for the term he did
Report CrazySnake September 14, 2012 3:51 PM BST
Well, he was very autocratic as I understand it, but few seemed to mind. Results carry weight if you're not committing widespread atrocities.
Let's be clear here. My stance against anyone would be that nobody is better than anybody else. On that basis, anyone who thinks they are must be mad or bad Laugh
Report Otto_Von_Bismarck September 14, 2012 7:29 PM BST
Herr CS,Would calling yourself the "chosen ones" fit your criteria?.Well said Herr Spy,What we are being told by the media is utter bullshizer.The truth never reach's light of day.Why,because of the agenda,Oil/money.

When Saddam attacked Kuwait,He said they were taking his oil.Kuwait did have oil wells set up near the Iraq border,which is quite legal.But the Americans had developed a way which they could steer the drill.They no longer had to drill straight down.Of course that never came out.
Report robl_lover September 14, 2012 10:19 PM BST
I can see lazza von bismarck sitting in his little hideaway, in his tin foil hat, muttering the jews and the cia are coming to get me....robbie put them up to it. It was more humorous when you were attempting to give trainers tips on how to train horses, from a failed trainer sitting in his little conspiracy filled bunker
Report Otto_Von_Bismarck September 15, 2012 12:24 AM BST
Herr Robl.I only know of him?
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