is it possible that a 3 yr old filly could push Frankel over a mile, plus?

I think she would be too far in front to 'push' him

Frankel who cares. Atlantic Jewel v BC at Flemington over 1400m ..You'd pack the joint!

whoopi, you have to be fair with the filly, let her flog the 2nd best horse (frankel) before she takes on the champ

yep, frankel camp making excuses, i wonder if he hasnt trained on as a 4 yr old?

http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse-racing/sir-henry-cecil-k-abdulla-teddy-...

no race AJ easily

I'd like to see Miata in the race too

that win was breath taking
as good as i have seen in many years

Frankel is finnish

wouldnt beat AJ anyway..imo

You need to think to yourself,Would MJ do that? Haylist? Fox wedge? Rain affair and the list goes on. I do feel it is fine to say she's very high class but a freak would be doing that against the horses I named earlier.

interestingly the three you mentioned are fcked atm, so she wont be doing that anytime soon

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You need to think to yourself,Would MJ do that? Haylist? Fox wedge? Rain affair and the list goes on. I do feel it is fine to say she's very high class but a freak would be doing that against the horses I named earlier.

umm she was a bee's dyck slower than the TJ Smith stakes which featured rain afair, foxwedge, and both were beaten hard ridden.

no horse races 4 wide without cover and wins like that.

Niccolo, those horses are all sprinters. AJ is a mile & a half horse.

Put simply if any person that thinks she is not a freak after her last 3 runs they are a poor judge.

Lets see AJ take MJ on over a mile or Manighar at 10f,Americain at 12f before we claim the title "Freak"

MJ wouldn't stand a chance

That's an assumption not fact,Coolmore hype machine has done it once again

omg MJ & Manighar should not even be mentioned in the same thread as AJ.

all Coolmore hype. Please keep laying her!!

Why not they're proven Grp1 performers..Is it fair to say AJ is dominate as SYT? Please. She wouldn't have caught him and look how well he has does. Freak? I Think Not.

Yes he has failed LOL multiple group 1 winner north and south

His Grp1 wins were very weak much like the competition AJ is facing now.

European campaign I am referring too

Weak LOL but the racing over there is so so strong ffs

Over there? Please explain a little bit more?

Niccolo_Machiavelli
Date Joined: 11 Apr 12 Add contact When: 15 Apr 12 08:23 That's an assumption not fact,Coolmore hype machine has done it once again

coolmore might hype up potential stallions...Atlantic Jewel is a filly. get with the program dill

Atlantic Jewel will show in the spring to be many lengths superior to So You Think and his only a length off the best of the best in europe being wrongly trained and slaughtered.

Lol, Coolmore hype any half ass horse. Dill.

Yes,We have heard this before year after year,first it was Lonhro then Diva then Princess Coup then So You Think then Phar Lap then , then..boring.

Wrongly trained? How can a man who dominates the staying races be training it wrong? Dunaden,Americain,Manighar,Red Cadeux are good horses but over here they are the BEST.

If SYT had of ran into Harbinger he would have got smoked.

For nsomeone thats only been alive four 4 days,your have a big mouth Nik-Mackka-velly

I read forums, But the Political crap spewed out by Wombleoz and others made myself sign up.

i thought you can't read if your not signed up.

Anyway you off the ball with the hype. I have been hyping this horse since Thousand Guineas & i have nothing to do with Coolmore. I'm disappointed that it took 4 wins before i realised how good it was. If you dont know by now then you are seriously a poor judge.

By: This user is online. Niccolo_Machiavelli
Date Joined: 11 Apr 12 Add contact When: 15 Apr 12 11:08 If SYT had of ran into Harbinger he would have got smoked.

if harbinger had run into Atlantic Jewel he would have been Triple Smoked

i must agree, for a newby, you sure got a mouth if in the past you only read threads?

You guys argue seriously on a subject that has as much in common with REALITY as the Boort Cup thread.

I sincerely doubt Atlantic jewel would keep up with Harbinger. If the English weren't compelled to greed we might have witnessed the greatest horse since Phar Lap. SYT margin when he defeated Workforce was 1-3? Harbinger beat Workforce by 17Ls. You would not have liked to run into this horse.

This is a racing forum,racing website and you come in here and spite everyone here? Are you seeking attention, Maybe you should continue talking to yourself you per-pubscenet girl.

prepubescent

So you think was a dud, why else would Bart get rid of it. May be competitive with the European Hacks but wouldnt get close to the likes of Atlantic Jewel, Mustard, General Mackjosh or Carbon Spirit.

N M...Just a punt...but seeing as you admitted that your motivation for JOINING was the POLITICAL THREADS...

Jez's team...have gotta get their numbers up...as the election approaches.

I'm with the retard. At least he's imaginative enough to make things up.

Hypothesising on the merits of form divided by thousands of km .... is similarly futile

just less creative.

AFL, Explain better?

SYT couldn't have been a dud if Bart was dirty over the whole saga?

Nicola this is a FANTASY thread. Never gunna happen.

Thanks Spoon

Dodged Blue Ribbon, too.

Sure you notice that also, Joel

I was referring to DoublePesonalityAgent, Joel

Make things up? I didn't create this thread nor debate. I posted a opinion which is obviously poison. If I'm wrong;And I won't be unless they meet, take it with a grain of salt rather then the name calling.

Bart lost $140 a day training fees

no wonder he was dirty

What about the multiple Group1s,5% Prize money and his name around the hype and in the news?

ah yes, don't forger the 2 years worth of work and time put into the horse. You guys seem to mention $$ a lot, yet you have opposing views on the Betfair/Court case saga.

All good..NM...

Nothing wrong with a good political debate.

Niccolo_Machiavelli • April 15, 2012 11:12 AM BST
I read forums, But the Political crap spewed out by Wombleoz and others made myself sign up.

Sorry All

Frankel won't race our best - stallion values goes down if he gets beat

Not sure where you're from .... Bart winning another Cup is like Bradman hitting another century.

Really makes no difference.... the die is cast

comprende?

Nicola your opinion on AJ is about as accurate or relevant on here as whether Blacks A Fake or Mount Eden will win the next at Boort.


Whatever you're on it's good sh1t!!!

Why are you apologizing to everyone especially people who share your views.


That was my view.

About time you apologised Wombler, hope it's sincere.

Kamikaze. I repeat you are a prepubescent girl looking for attention. I find it highly relevant to be arguing right or wrong about this in a relevant titled FORUM(Google this meaning)


NoSpoon. Doesn't matter if you have won 15 Cups,How many have 1? 2?, The hype,attention,work that goes into is enormous and if you think any trainer wouldn't bother about winning it you are mustn't have a good knowledge of Racing.

Who said he wouldn't bother? enormous amount of work....nah....reeeeallly?

Ironically similar manner of drawing conclusions to another forumite on here

Waffle on. Apologies for interrupting.

i'm apologizing for bringing you here!!! 100% sincere TINS

by your comment
"Really makes no difference"

in other words
Bart : If I win another cup or not it makes no difference



Do you agree with the example I have used?

Sometimes,like a cat playing with a wingless fly,it can be amusing to toy with an obtuse forumite.I put my hands up-I am guilty. But when does it cross the line from fun to not fun. Clearly Nicola is retarded,a functioning retard,I take my hat off to to her,she is doing fantastic.

But I won't be the kind of man that makes fun of intellectually challenged forumites. I wish you all the best Nicola.Maybe we could meet up for a drink some time.

Can you apologize for a lying,manipulative,strings pulled,police state government?

In other words,Defeated?

You quite clearly have no place here so you throwing in the towel. Courageous.

No. I do not agree with your drawn conclusion.


Bart winning another Cup is like Bradman hitting another century.

Really makes no difference.

in other words
Bart : If I win another cup or not it makes no difference

It makes no difference to the Legend of Bart ****s . Just like another century to Bradman.

Mentioning other trainers, as you have....is confusing the obvious.

When did his legacy come into this? We're talking about Group races and more specifically the Melbourne Cup

I feel like I'm being drawn into a turgid whirlpool of time consumption

Seem to be talking about alot of things, isn't Atlantic Jewel amongst the topics?

Joel says tongue in cheek that  So you think was a dud, why else would Bart get rid of it.

and you run off on that ridiculous tangent

Sincere apologies for involving myself after that unfortunate, but funny, turn in the thread.

Cheers

your done it now SPOOON you upset upset our new friend NICHOL

NICHOL you biatch
you want to mention harbinger beating a weakening workforce by 11 lens and be so c@ck sure.
The handicapper Jukebox Jury beat harbinger by 19 lens at york

Cannot wait to see Frankel put the old nag you Aussie dreamers call Black Caviar in her place at Ascot :)

Megsy, You're suggesting horses don't get better?? Ok.

I think Frankel has gone into retirement for fear of facing Black Caviar.

NICHOL..im suggesting Frankel wont improve compared to horses he has already beaten, he was a very forwarded galloper for his age, i recall they were stating he looked more like a 5 yr old entire as a 3 year old

MUGSGAME...pissoff w@nker...mummies calling ya

FRANKEL who?????

frankels pacemaker