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Aussie Punter
09 Apr 12 03:21
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Had to go into ATO website recently and stumbled onto tax cuts page. Curiously , it's been called part of clean energy ( Agenda 21 - TheBas and Lazza Laugh) policy.....but the teeth is:

Main Points:

Tax free threshold moves to 18,200

1st Marginal tax rate moves to 19% (from 15%) bet 18,200 -$ 37,000

2nd Marginal tax rate moves to 32.5% ( from 30%) 37,000 - $ 80,000

Low Income tax offset cut from 1500 to $ 445

Done some simple calculations:

$40,000   is 11.36% tax rate

$50,000  is  15.6%  tax  rate

$ 60,000 is  18.36% tax rate

Throwing in GST on end consumers ( which can be controlled by households somewhat) re : consumption

and Carbon tax laid on from July , possible suggest aussie households at a guess would pay approx 25-30% in taxes going to Fed gov't , State Gov't , United Nations etc , which with a bit of guesswork ,equates as purely cost of living in tax terms at 30% of Gross Incomes.

That's without rents,mortgages etc loaded in.  Fk me .....Long live Betty
Pause Switch to Standard View July Tax cuts ....Thanks Labour
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Report bigted. April 9, 2012 5:14 AM BST
if we can afford to gamble we can afford to live imoBlush

we are used to rises over here in the west,under Barnett cost of living has gone up 58 per cent,even tho he suggests we dont use air con..
meanwhile he has spent millions upon millions on a new palace for himself and his team of spin doctors..and yes the palace has air con..
Report Live_in_Hope April 9, 2012 5:30 AM BST
e/w Serbian Crown
Report wombleoz April 9, 2012 6:04 AM BST
should pay more imo

i need a pay rise Wink

was that a subtle - if you don't like it move somewhere else LIH???  LaughLaughLaugh

Teddy - any chance Barnett is in trouble next election???
Report bigted. April 9, 2012 6:16 AM BST
no the emperor has this place sown up..rules with an iron fist and the minions follow..
his gonna stop taking minerals out of the ground till gillard gets ousted..mug..
Report wombleoz April 9, 2012 6:33 AM BST
he sounds annoying - very annoying

AP - your figures don't take into account deductions or welfare payments
Report Mrben April 9, 2012 7:00 AM BST
I know its hard to believe womble, but some of us don't need to consider welfare payments.
Report Aussie Punter April 9, 2012 7:23 AM BST
MrBen Laugh

Definitely Womble: Just a simple snapshot , but would assume deductions will get tapped in the near future.

Free's up more cash to absorb expected cost rises ...so is a good thing
Report wombleoz April 9, 2012 8:31 AM BST
more than half the country is on welfare of some type MrBen CryCryCry
Report Jez____ April 10, 2012 11:13 AM BST
wombleoz - trying to sound out exactly how well politically, Barnett is doing in WA eh?

And you sum up the Premier of WA by saying he "sounds annoying - very annoying"........WTF?

Was only a few weeks ago you stated he is "gone".  LOL.
You've got no ****ing idea, I'd suggest.
To busy hugging trees and thinking up new taxes with Bob etc.

Colin Barnett and the Liberal team in WA will be re-elected, wombleoz - and you will remain a minority.

You are so out of touch wombleoz, ffs

CrazyCrazyCrazy
Report Jez____ April 10, 2012 11:18 AM BST
Great thread AP.

It shows what a con this is.

This is a great big Carbon Tax.  The world's biggest Carbon Tax.

You didn't vote for it, but your gonna pay for it.

You might receive $1.20 per week extra in your pocket with a tax cut, but you'll pay when you fill up the car, you'll pay when you buy food to put on the table, you'll pay for the kids school clothes, you'll pay when get the chance to get away (air travel).....you'll PAY FOR THIS GREAT BIG NEW TAX ON EVERYTHING.

And that's not to mention gas, electricity and on and on it goes?
Electricity price rises of 250%....can you afford it ?Cry

These $200 cash bonus' will last a week, littlelone cover next quarters electricity bill.
The tax cuts will be lucky to get you a can of coke from the corner store.
These aren't free lunches as wombleoz and AFL will suggest - they're to COMPENSATE for this great big tax.

Only one way to get rid of this Carbon Tax and this lying PM......
change the government.
Report wombleoz April 10, 2012 11:20 AM BST
As long as the Libs/Nats don't win federally I don't really care what happens in WA - but if he keeps telling people to stop using air conditioning it'll be closer than many think LaughLaughLaugh

Just heard Peter Van Olsen talking up how significant the change to the tax free threshold is ShockedShockedShocked

spot on though, 1 million people will no longer need to lodge and will get to take all their pay home every week Cool
Report Jez____ April 10, 2012 11:26 AM BST
You see this morning's state by state Newspoll wombleoz?
On federal voting intentions?

I noticed there was no mention from you in the other thread.  Surprise surprise.

Too busy digging a deeper hole in the sand for you to wedge your head.

Desperation is a powerful emotion.
Report wombleoz April 10, 2012 11:37 AM BST
polls are awful at present but while there's time there's hope especially if you and your crowd keeping sprouting rubbish like 

And that's not to mention gas, electricity and on and on it goes?
Electricity price rises of 250%....can you afford it ?Cry


the truth will be out there soon Cool
Report Jez____ April 10, 2012 11:45 AM BST
The truth will be grim.

The world's biggest carbon tax - and no environment impact.

Electricity price rises - and no environment impact.

Gas price rises - and no environment impact.

Petrol price rises - and no environment impact.

Food price rises - and no environment impact.

Clothes price rises - and no environment impact.


your overall cost of living price RISES - - and no environment impact.

We didn't VOTE FOR IT, but WE'LL PAY FOR IT.

This is not about sprouting rubbish, wombleoz.
It's about standing up and demanding a government be accountable.
About demanding the Prime Minister stand by HER WORD.   
It's about the citizens being able to have faith in those in public office.

This is about real people wombleoz.  Genuine Australian's trying to get ahead.
They don't spend their days sipping lattes on Toorak Road, instead they stack shelves at Woolies.
Move bricks on building sites.  And at the end of the day go home and attend to feeding their families.

We need to stop this Carbon Tax.
The only way is to the change the government.
Report wombleoz April 10, 2012 11:52 AM BST
whatever Jez - yes costs will go up, those that need it most will be compensated - first payments next month - overall some will be better off, some square and some worse off

the 250% is what i was referring to - it's just stupid and will be shown to be so shortly
Report Aussie Punter April 10, 2012 11:56 AM BST
Changing gears lads a bit....Womble and Jez...I appeal to you both Mischief can you communicate to your respective policy development  think tanks and get some bi-partisan approach on:

1. Get negative gearing removed from the housing area

Will do two things : Burst the Housing bubble to create a "true" housing market and will avoid the unnecessary continuous lies that we have a housing shortage and will bring the cost of housing to affordable levels that isn't influenced by Investors looking to make a quick buck and artificially inflating prices which keeps the house of cards standing.

May as well do it on this Labour watch ....will give them a platform to build from again and Gillard and Swan will , in time , be remembered as labour heroes in years to come.
Report iHooT April 10, 2012 12:07 PM BST
anyone who think the coalition wont win the next federal election is completely DELUDED

but for people who spell the ALP as 'labour' instead of labor, should not vote in the first place, idiots............
Report wombleoz April 10, 2012 12:12 PM BST
AP - agree 100% negative gearing has to change, middle and upper class "welfare" at it's worst but no government will be game to touch it CryCryCry

They should change it this budget so that from now you can only use it on new properties - or limit the number of properties you can claim losses for.  Keating did try to make changes a while back and rents surged - that's the risk

iHoot - 18 months is a VERY long time in politics
Report iHooT April 10, 2012 12:16 PM BST
no, its actually not, the exact opposite in fact,

gillard will get rolled,  the alp will get decimated

thank god,
all the stupid retards wanted 'change' from john howard and the liberals

hows that change treatin you all???   LOL
Report wombleoz April 10, 2012 12:32 PM BST
i'm loving not having Howard - thanks for asking
Report AFL April 10, 2012 12:40 PM BST
Howard what a sad joke of a PM he was.

Lost his own seat if i remember correctly. He was liked that much.

Laugh
Report Aussie Punter April 10, 2012 12:41 PM BST
John and Peter were the ones that started all this mess....friggin putting everything on to the end consumer and convincing everyone all you need to be a millionaire is buy a friggin house and dump it to the next suckers in the batting line upCry
Report Jez____ April 10, 2012 12:41 PM BST
Of course your loving it wombleoz.

Because your a minority.

As working Australian's and families hurt....

You and your fellow minorities, dictate to the majority.

Taxes....Lying leaders....Wealth redistribution....

Never before have a heard a lone voice (wombleoz) preach such utter nonsense.
Such diatribe that is so hilariously out of touch with everyday Australia.

Well you and your little buddy's are about to taught a lesson in democracy.

Australian's don't like liars as Prime Minister's.
Julia's right about one thing, the next election will be about trust.

Australian's also hate this hung parliament "experiment".

You say you've got time wombleoz, in the supposed 18 months til the next election.

Yes you do have time, time to savour each and every dying second of this Gillard Labor-Green Government.  A government that will be a blip in the history books.  A scaring experiment involving two pathetic Labor leaders who continue to trade blows and a centre-left party that has lost its way and its soul.

Sadly it's taken the country along for this heart wrenching ride.

Well can I say it's time to get Australia back on track.
Time to listen to the MAJORITY not the MINORITY.

There's only ONE WAY.
Queenslander's know how.

It's to CHANGE THE GOVERNMENT.
Report Jez____ April 10, 2012 12:44 PM BST
Like Victoria, NSW, Queensland and WA.........

Australian's at large will join the chorus and again turn to the conservatives to restore good government.

Strength, direction and mainstream values.

An Abbott Government which will restore hope, reward and opportunity for ALL Australian's. Cool

Report iHooT April 10, 2012 12:45 PM BST
ahhh,  i see most people on here are alp supporters

how sad

I live in Qld,    what happened to you LNP/coalition haters??

labor DO NOT have enough people now to legally form a party and OPPOSITION LOL!!!!!

katter is 10 times better than alp


like or not, Qld will decide the next federal election, 
BOOK IT
Report Jez____ April 10, 2012 12:46 PM BST
AFL - is there all you've got?

Got nothing left to throw at Abbott.

So back to taking the p1ss out of Howard losing his seat, ffs.

Sad times for the true believers.  Seriously.
Report Jez____ April 10, 2012 12:46 PM BST
there=that
Report wombleoz April 10, 2012 12:50 PM BST
see what's happening to the poll numbers in NSW below - that will start happening in Qld soon as well - they were sick of tired Labor governments and booted them, now that's done they'll see the mistake of their ways and realise it's much safer keeping Julia federally

from - http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2012/04/10/newspoll-quarterly-breakdown-2/


The Australian today brings us Newspoll’s regular quarterly breakdown of its federal polling by state, sex and age group. Compared with the last quarter of 2011, it finds Labor gained a point to lead 51-49 in South Australia, was steady at 50-50 in Victoria, cut the Coalition lead in New South Wales to 54-46 from 57-43 (59-41 in the July to September quarter), and took a point out of the still enormous Coalition leads in Queensland and Western Australia, which are now at 58-42 and 56-44. The Coalition’s two-party lead in the five main capitals is steady at 53-47 and down from 57-43 to 55-45 elsewhere.
Report iHooT April 10, 2012 12:54 PM BST
pull your head out from your a s s


wayne swan cant even win his own damn seat outright, coalition gets more primary vote

only reason the alp members get in cause the little guys throw their support behind him

supporting LABOR is the same as supporting the GREENS
and if you support the green you are a sad and pathetic individual




BOOK IT, watch for the greens to be obliterated at the next federal election
LaughCrazyLaugh
Report wombleoz April 10, 2012 12:58 PM BST
go the Greens Cool
Report Jez____ April 10, 2012 12:59 PM BST
Is this your brand new, you beaut, definition for "momentum" is it wombleoz.

Coalition only leads in 2PP terms in NSW by 8 points...rather than 14 points.
An annihilation rather than a blood letting exercise???

LaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh

ffs, dear oh dear.

Desperation does strange things to be people.
Report iHooT April 10, 2012 1:00 PM BST
lol yea,  go the greens,   enjoy watching them become a nothing, the way it should beCool
Report wombleoz April 10, 2012 1:07 PM BST
18 point lead becomes 8 in 9 months of BOF - on that basis Labor will be well in front by the election Cool

Greens pretty well guaranteed to maintain the balance of power in the senate for a long time to come Cool
Report Jez____ April 10, 2012 1:09 PM BST
Back to the topic of tax cuts.

Hey AP.

Answer this for me.

How will these tax cuts benefit Australian's if they lose their job in manufacturing tomorrow...due to the Carbon Tax?

Or if they lose their job in mining tomorrow...due to the Carbon Tax?

Or if they lose their job in the retail sector tomorrow...due to the Carbon Tax?

Lets be clear and honest here.
The Carbon Tax will result in job losses.
"operational requirements." ...." changing economic circumstances"... "divisional restructuring".

For every 4 industry jobs lost, 1 Green job will be created.

Jobs have already been lost with the Carbon Tax on the horizon.

Again, how on earth will tax cuts and pension compensation assist me if I'm out of work?
Report iHooT April 10, 2012 1:12 PM BST
you know something?  i agree?  im VERY happy greens control the senate at the moment

because NORMAL australians can now see the extreme bullshit views they have and ****ing the country right up


if you think labor and the greens will get stronger, i wont argue, aint gonna worry me,  because nothing will stop the coalition in a WIPEOUT next year

sorry, but its the truth, and deep down every ALP member knows it
Report Jez____ April 10, 2012 1:14 PM BST
18 point lead becomes 8 in 9 months of BOF - on that basis Labor will be well in front by the election

Yes Joel, whatever you say Joel, ffs.

LaughLaughLaugh

So your politically inept enough to believe an 18 point lead would flow on at an election?
Maybe in Queensland at the moment, but no where else.
We all know the polls tighten during a campaign.
But the momentum is all one way.  The issues are all anti-Labor.

Australian's are fed up with Labor.
Same horse, different jockey.

You can spew your nonsense throughout this forum wombleoz, but its just that, nonsense.
It's desperate drivel with no factual basis.

Your one of the few within the Labor camp that they refer to as "delusional".
Most of the hard heads realise the reality.

This is a government that isn't interested in winning the next election.
They just are coasting to see it out, hoping, wishing and praying they don't do any more damage to brand Labor - any more damage that could render it (if not already) terminal.
Report wombleoz April 10, 2012 1:18 PM BST
iHoot - just out of interest - what "extreme" things have the Greens done since getting the balance of power in the Senate???

the other crucial figure - people don't like Abbott or Gillard, will they vote for him???

Both leaders were down three on approval in New South Wales, Julia Gillard to 29 per cent and Tony Abbott to 33 per cent, but Abbott was up five in Queensland to 40 per cent. Abbott took a knock in Western Australia to be down five on approval to 31 per cent and up three on disapproval to 56 per cent. Preferred prime minister was essentially unchanged, although a shift in Gillard’s favour in South Australia – from 40-33 to 44-32 – pokes its head above the margin of error.
Report Jez____ April 10, 2012 1:26 PM BST
crucial figure????

To who??  You, womble?

Tony Abbott is the Opposition Leader.
He has ratings similar to Fraser prior to defeating Whitlam.
Fraser's numbers skyrocketed after the election.

Fraser was, unfortunately, negative in his approach.
Abbott is relentless, some will see this as negativity.
But his approach is exposing this government - tearing it apart, piece by piece.

Opposition is not easy. 
Tony Abbott's task is not to be popular, but to present a credible alternative.
An Abbott Government will repeal the Carbon Tax.

Rudd was an Opposition Leader with instantaneous popularity, and where did he finish?

I'd love a Labor campaign on Abbott, a personal anti-Abbott campaign.  It won't work.
But I have no doubt they'll try.  Though, maybe Qld will put them off.

Will they vote for Abbott???

Yes they will, wombleoz.

He came within a whisker of defeating this government in 2010 ffs.

This time round, the Australian people won't miss.
Report iHooT April 10, 2012 1:26 PM BST
are you kidding me?   the greens want to stop all mining, dont bullsh!t me they dont,
hey, lets pay a premium for fuel, use electronic cars

BULLSH!T,   bet the greens use government statesmans with a v8 to run around in, i bet they use electricity at home, etc etc etc etc

the greens trying backing landholders with CSG    LOL WTF

the greens think importing cattle to indo is BAD and jump up and down to stop it,  what happens?????? MILLIONS of dollars gone..........

greens want to CUT funding to the military??

LOL WTF??

the green get sh!tty when people go out hunting kangaroos  LOL WTF
the greens want a huge mining tax,  LOL yea ok

the greens want to TAX EVERY SINGLE THING

THE GREENS ARE TRYING TO BRING THE DEATH TAX BACK IN

do you even know what that is?

its gonna be sweet when they all get booted out Excited
Report iHooT April 10, 2012 1:28 PM BST
oh, and one more time

QLD will decide who wins the next federal election




lol, and you think we will vote alp??




Report bigted. April 10, 2012 1:31 PM BST



imo


Excited
Report Jez____ April 10, 2012 1:34 PM BST
spot on I'd suggest teddy.

wombleoz is full of verbal diarrhea tonight.

CryCryCry
Report iHooT April 10, 2012 1:36 PM BST
Report wombleoz April 10, 2012 1:38 PM BST
iHoot - the question was - what "extreme" things have they done since having the BOP

i support the Greens but not everything they stand for - their entire policy wish list will never become reality BUT they will shape policy for the better in their current role

good to see you think popularity doesn't matter Jez, cause Abbott sure ain't popular

anyways - good to have you back

tine for bed - nite All
Report iHooT April 10, 2012 1:44 PM BST
if you genuinely support the greens then i have nothing more to say to you

a very sad individual,  good luck with saving the planet you stupid ****
Report Jez____ April 10, 2012 1:51 PM BST
LaughLaughLaugh
Report Jez____ April 10, 2012 1:51 PM BST
Thanks wombleoz, night
Report bigted. April 10, 2012 1:54 PM BST
im sure you two right wing nutjobs were in the crowd kicked out of parliment..
resort to insults is feral..

imo

Report iHooT April 10, 2012 2:03 PM BST
lol           yep ok sonny
Report Aussie Punter April 10, 2012 11:59 PM BST
Another thread hijacked ...
Report wombleoz April 11, 2012 1:38 AM BST
sorry about that AP - back to your opening post, it's a crock of s h i t e

taxes as a percentage of GDP lower than under Howard
Report shiraz April 11, 2012 2:41 AM BST
wombleoz, the OP was about personal tax burden.
Could you please explain how you calculate personal tax as a percentage of GDP?
Report wombleoz April 11, 2012 3:15 AM BST
Shiraz if tax under Howard was 25% of GDP and tax under Julia is 22% of GDP and it's a pretty reasonable assumption that individuals pay less. This is backed up by their being tax cuts since Labor took over
Report shiraz April 11, 2012 4:00 AM BST
I think you are referring to ALL taxes, rather than personal taxes.

The Australian system of taxation and welfare is already the most efficient at redistributing wealth from rich to poor of any country in the OECD (and has been for many years), so there really is no need for changes.
It is a testement to the generally "social" attitude of the vast majority of Australian society.
Report wombleoz April 11, 2012 4:10 AM BST
i'm referring to both

it's not even close to efficient in any way imo
Report shiraz April 11, 2012 4:25 AM BST
Read this article wombleoz, "efficiency" can be used as a relative term.  The system itself may not be efficient overall, but it can be relatively efficient when compared to other systems.

http://inside.org.au/how-fair-is-australia%E2%80%99s-welfare-state/

This can also be applied to gambling.  If you are able to calculate probability on sporting outcomes more efficiently than the rest of the market, you will win.
Report wombleoz April 11, 2012 5:23 AM BST
interesting article Shiraz - i'd suggest he is taking too narrow an approach to "welfare" but he makes a lot of good points

cheers
Report Aussie Punter April 11, 2012 6:25 AM BST
Shiraz on the mark Womble....Household burden was the inference
Report wombleoz April 11, 2012 8:54 AM BST
and as i said, the household burden is less now then it was before
Report iHooT April 11, 2012 10:03 AM BST
wombleoz
11 Apr 12 08:54 Joined: 15 Feb 03 | Topic/replies: 7,004 | Blogger: wombleoz's blog
and as i said, the household burden is less now then it was before


Laugh
Report Jez____ April 11, 2012 11:56 AM BST
and as i said, the household burden is less now then it was before

LaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report Jez____ April 11, 2012 11:59 AM BST
such a dopey comment wombleoz, it doesn't even justify a response.

drag yourself into the real world ffs
Report wombleoz April 11, 2012 12:08 PM BST
playing poker at the moment - will get the figures later
Report Mrben April 11, 2012 12:14 PM BST
are yu winning womble?
Report iHooT April 11, 2012 12:27 PM BST
wombleoz
11 Apr 12 12:08 Joined: 15 Feb 03 | Topic/replies: 7,016 | Blogger: wombleoz's blog
playing poker at the moment - will get the figures later



Laugh
i bet this guy doesnt have a job
Report wombleoz April 11, 2012 12:31 PM BST
i was - then made a totally stupid call CryCryCry
Report wombleoz April 11, 2012 12:39 PM BST
ok - assuming avg income of $65k

tax in Howard's last year 2006-07 - $14,850

tax in 2011-12 - $13,050 + flood levy $75 = $13,125

or $1725 less

so you are WELL in front
Report iHooT April 11, 2012 12:44 PM BST
how can you be well in front when **** costs a lot more than then?
Laugh


i feel sorry for your'e employer, seriously
Report Jez____ April 11, 2012 12:47 PM BST
If your an Australian citizen, iHoot.

Wombleoz actually works for you.  You are his employer.

Yep - a Commonwealth public servant.
Report Joel April 11, 2012 12:48 PM BST
iHoot weren't you calling someone a fool for spelling Labor, 'Labour'?
Report wombleoz April 11, 2012 12:51 PM BST
you pay $1725 less in tax for a start CrazyCrazyCrazy
Report iHooT April 11, 2012 12:53 PM BST
he is a public servant??


HAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHA
Report iHooT April 11, 2012 12:55 PM BST
so womble has never actually worked a normal day,  what a laugh


he is so anti tony abbot because abbot will **** all the government jobs off that are there for no reason

cutting the fatCool
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