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Bring on Frankel....Shocked
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Report Maxim-Reality April 3, 2012 3:02 PM BST
I think SYT is a finished subject now,been done to death.Let's wait for BC at Ascot.That will give us something to talk about.
Report Maxim-Reality April 3, 2012 3:31 PM BST
ima_mazed66 • April 3, 2012 3:24 PM BST
And you mugs have finally cottoned on that the SYT whilst decent and a trier is nothing like as good as some of you Aussie mugs made out.

Has Frankel only raced at 3 then by the way? Look through the horse's whole race career and he's had any number of GR1 winners in behind in both seasons that had already won multiple Gr1s or went on to, so wipe away the bitterness and tears and do some research. Plus has it ever occurred to you that plenty of other trainers decided it wasn't worth taking him on when Frankel's such a good horse and even if nothing behind him won another race, the horse can only win and go unbeaten and what more do you want from the it?

Imagine that eh, a bunch of Aussies not taking defeat too well and then they have the front to go on about whinging poms......sometimes this sh1t writes itself. JUST IN CASE YOU MISSED IT MEGSY,MY POINT EXACTLY.Do some proper research and don't cherrypick parts of a horses career to suit your argument.SillyWink
Report Maxim-Reality April 3, 2012 3:56 PM BST
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1st        7    117    Daddy Long Legs (USA)    55.0        A O'Brien    Colm O'Donoghue
2rd    1.25    8    108    Yang Tse Kiang (FR)    55.0        R Chotard    Thierry Jarnet
3rd    0.75    13    115    Wrote (IRE)    55.0        A O'Brien    Ryan Moore
Report sidepork1 April 3, 2012 4:07 PM BST
u cant answer it ...Excited
Report Maxim-Reality April 3, 2012 4:28 PM BST
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Report Maxim-Reality April 3, 2012 4:36 PM BST
Group or Grade 1 WINS.
Bart C..264
AOB..196
I give it 3 seasons to overtake Bart.And how competitive where those ancient poor quality Aus races.Not very i'd imagine.
Bart 84 yrs.
AOB  42 yrs.
Says it all really.Wink
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    £400000 Tattersalls Houghton Sales Stakes Class B    26Sep00    Mozart    M J Kinane    £229,200
    Aga Khan Studs National Stakes (Group 1)    17Sep00    Beckett    Seamie Heffernan    £91,680
    ESAT Digifone Irish Champion Stakes (Group 1)    9Sep00    Giant's Causeway    M J Kinane    £388,960
    Moyglare Stud Stakes (Group 1)    3Sep00    Sequoyah    Jamie Spencer    £78,600
    Juddmonte International Stakes Class A (Group 1)    22Aug00    Giant's Causeway    M J Kinane    £261,000
    Secretariat Stakes (Grade 1) (Turf)    19Aug00    Ciro    M J Kinane    £146,341
    Independent Heinz 57 Phoenix Stakes (Group 1)    13Aug00    Minardi    M J Kinane    £78,680
    Champagne Lanson Sussex Stakes Class A (Group 1)    2Aug00    Giant's Causeway    M J Kinane    £159,500
    Coral-Eclipse Stakes Showcase Race Class A (Group 1)    8Jul00    Giant's Causeway    George Duffield    £216,000
    St James's Palace Stakes Class A Showcase Race (Group 1)    20Jun00    Giant's Causeway    M J Kinane    £156,600
    Prix Lupin (Group 1) (Colts & Fillies)    14May00    Ciro    M J Kinane    £48,031
    Smurfit Champion Hurdle Challenge Trophy Showcase Race Class A Grade 1    14Mar00    Istabraq    Charlie Swan    £145,000
    AIG Europe Champion Hurdle Grade 1    23Jan00    Istabraq    Charlie Swan    £40,200
    Racing Post Trophy Class A (Group 1)    23Oct99    Aristotle    George Duffield    £106,900
    Grand Criterium (Group 1) (Colts & Fillies)    10Oct99    Ciro    M J Kinane    £107,643
    Prix de la Salamandre (Group 1) (Colts & Fillies)    18Sep99    Giant's Causeway    M J Kinane    £43,057
    Prix Morny (Group 1) (Colts & Fillies)    22Aug99    Fasliyev    M J Kinane    £86,114
    Persimmon Homes Nunthorpe Stakes Class A (Group 1)    19Aug99    Stravinsky    M J Kinane    £88,175
    Heinz 57 Phoenix Stakes (Group 1)    8Aug99    Fasliyev    M J Kinane    £100,313
    Darley July Cup Class A (Group 1)    8Jul99    Stravinsky    M J Kinane    £94,300
    Entenmann's Irish 2,000 Guineas (Group 1)    22May99    Saffron Walden    Olivier Peslier    £100,625
    Shell Champion Hurdle (Grade 1)    30Apr99    Istabraq    Charlie Swan    £58,929
    Martell Aintree Hurdle Class A (Grade 1)    10Apr99    Istabraq    Charlie Swan    £47,600
    Smurfit Champion Hurdle Challenge Trophy Showcase Race Class A (Grade 1)    16Mar99    Istabraq    Charlie Swan    £138,000
    AIG Europe Champion Hurdle (Grade 1)    24Jan99    Istabraq    Charlie Swan    £33,259
    Avonmore Waterford Hatton's Grace Hurdle (Grade 1)    29Nov98    Istabraq    Charlie Swan    £22,609
    Meon Valley Stud Fillies' Mile Stakes Class A Showcase Race (Group 1)    27Sep98    Sunspangled    M J Kinane    £103,550
    Prix Morny (Group 1) (Colts & Fillies)    23Aug98    Orpen    M J Kinane    £80,808
    Heinz 57 Phoenix Stakes (Group 1)    9Aug98    Lavery    W R Swinburn    £73,478
    Vodafone Oaks Class A (Group 1)    5Jun98    Shahtoush    M J Kinane    £177,000
    Sagitta 2000 Guineas Stakes Class A    2May98    King Of Kings    M J Kinane    £171,800
    Smurfit Champion Hurdle Challenge Trophy Class A (Grade 1)    17Mar98    Istabraq    Charlie Swan    £137,420
    AIG Europe Champion Hurdle (Grade 1)    25Jan98    Istabraq    Charlie Swan    £30,000
    Avonmore Waterford Hatton's Grace Hurdle (Grade 1)    30Nov97    Istabraq    Charlie Swan    £25,743
    Chiquita Drinmore Novice Chase (Grade 1)    30Nov97    Private Peace    Charlie Swan    £22,525
    Racing Post Trophy Class A    25Oct97    Saratoga Springs    M J Kinane    £94,096
    Grand Criterium (Colts and Fillies)    12Oct97    Second Empire    M J Kinane    £112,233
    Aga Khan Studs National Stakes    21Sep97    King Of Kings    C Roche    £111,485
    Budweiser Irish Derby    29Jun97    Desert King    C Roche    £394,257
    Lexus Irish 2,000 Guineas    25May97    Desert King    C Roche    £111,584
    Airlie/Coolmore Irish 1,000 Guineas (Group 1)    24May97    Classic Park    S Craine    £83,416
    Stanley Cooker Champion Novice Hurdle (Grade 1)    23Apr97    Istabraq    Charlie Swan    £18,416
    Royal Sunalliance Novices' Hurdle Class A Grade 1    12Mar97    Istabraq    Charlie Swan    £49,585
    MMI Stockbrokers Punchestown Chase (Grade 1)    7Dec96    Royal Mountbrowne    Charlie Swan    £23,454
    Avonmore Royal Bond Novice Hurdle (Grade 1)    1Dec96    Istabraq    Charlie Swan    £16,753
    The Aga Khan Studs National Stakes (Group 1)    21Sep96    Desert King    W R Swinburn    £116,082
    Murphys Irish Stout Champion 4Yo Hurdle (Grade 1)    25Apr96    Shaunies Lady    A P McCoy    £31,959
    Martell Aintree Hurdle Class A Grade 1    30Mar96    Urubande    Charlie Swan    £36,130
    Sun Alliance Novices' Hurdle Class A Grade 1    13Mar96    Urubande    Charlie Swan    £47,416
    Dennys Gold Medal Chase (Grade 1)    31Dec95    Double Symphony    Charlie Swan    £22,525
    Royal Bond Novice Hurdle (Grade 1)
Report Maxim-Reality April 3, 2012 4:56 PM BST
Wink
Report Maxim-Reality April 3, 2012 5:12 PM BST
Bart c has been training for 30 yrs longer than AOB and has never won an international race.Who's the Daddy?
Report Maxim-Reality April 3, 2012 5:24 PM BST
Sorry,40 yrs,even better.Grin
Report Maxim-Reality April 3, 2012 5:44 PM BST
For Megsy,Ima keeps beating me to it.Enjoy.
ima_mazed66 • April 3, 2012 5:32 PM BST
Unless of course Maxim-Reality we are doing Megsy a disservice and he knows exactly what he is doing by wording his statement to manipulate things and suit his own argument.

Limiting it to horses placed behind Frankel but only during his 3YO career means you can't including Nathaniel (King George winner), Treasure Beach (Chester Vase, Irish Derby, Grade 1 Secretariat Stakes winner and narrow Epsom Derby runner up) Roderic O'Connor (Group 1 Criterium International and Irish 2000 winner), Dream Ahead (July Cup, Sprint Cup and Prix De La Foret winner, all Gr1s) and so that only leaves Excelerbation and his German 2000, Hungerford and a Gr1 win at Longchamp plus Dubawi Gold winning the Celebration Mile at Goodwood and the fact that horses like Strong Suit won 3 more Group races including at Royal Ascot and Goodwood after being beaten by Frankel, or that Casamento won a Group race at Longchamp also after having been beaten by Frankel, doesn't count as franking the form because they finished further down the field when behind Frankel and not actually placed.

Apparently neither was the form boosted by the fact that Immortal Verse prior to finishing placed behind Frankel went into that race off of a 3 group winning race hat trick of which 2 were Gr1s because that happened before being beaten by Frankel. Nor does it matter that the likes of Canford Cliffs was a multiple Gr1 winner because that was also before being beaten by Frankel, or that Rajaman although beaten 10L by Frankel was only 4th so it doesn't mean he franked the form just because the horse won a Gr2 later on because it wasn't placed behind Frankel or that **** Turpin was 8L behind Frankel but had won a Gr1 by a short head the race before when beating Cityscape and that one has just won a near £2million race by over 4L in Dubai but none of this counts because they weren't actually placed behind Frankel in his 3YO season.

If you specify the criteria strictly enough, that would be a bit like saying that Lionel Messi fella is sh1t because look how few headers he has scored this season in the last 15 minutes of games on away grounds whilst wearing a short sleeved shirt and white boots! Laugh
Report Strapped April 3, 2012 7:23 PM BST
Erroneous. Bart won in HK with Catalan Opening. Stupid argument though as jet hopping around the globe with horses was hardly the done thing in the era in which Bart was in his prime, not to mention the different geographical location.
Report megsy April 3, 2012 11:28 PM BST
max..i enjoy taking the mickey out of ima_mazed66 Happyreason i put it up. i hope he got writers crampLaugh

but i did say frankels 3 yr old races and "place getters behind him" not his 2 yr old races. as ima has mentioned nathaniel whom he beat first start as a 2 yr old

2yr old form and 3yr old form are totally different all together, some improve, others dont, and some go backwards.


but what i wrote was FACT in black n white for to see if one looks at his race record.

i like watching frankel as the next guy. after reading the races he is likely to contend i feel they are attempting to protect his unbeaten record but sticking to the mile mainly.
Report megsy April 4, 2012 12:53 AM BST
as i posted to ima.

Treasure Beach won at  1m 2f and 1m 4f
Roderic O'Connor running in 1m 2f, 1m 4f
Dream Ahead 6f and 7f
Casamento won a weak grp 3 at 1m 2f
Strong Suit won at 7f


seems those mentioned by im amazed were sprinters or middle distance horses, NOT milers,

tells the story, sprinters you expect to weaken at the mile, middle distance horse's just winding up


show me one besides the australian sired  Excelebration that he has beaten that was a spealised miler like himself ?  just one please Happy ( injured canford cliffs doesnt count ) just his age group.
Report Thebas April 4, 2012 1:56 AM BST
the bottom line is ...

if we were to agree with topfarrier & max ... that SYT is not up to the grade of race aob runs him in ...

then the only FOOL ... is aiden o'brien for running the horse ... (how can aob NOT find the right race lol)

that is the reality ... max   

on your own UK/Irish assertions ... the biggest fool is the trainer aob ...

and that is what we have been arguing for the past how-ever-many-months   Laugh


*************

he ain't so smart max ... if you are correct about SYT .. and topf is correct about SYT ... then how come silly aiden CAN'T SEE IT YOO ...

so who is wrong max ... you and topf ... OR aiden ?
Report CrazySnake April 4, 2012 2:03 AM BST
You can argue all you like, but the simple fact is that SYT is clearly not the same horse as when he raced in Aus. He has lost something under AOB he obviously had with Bart and it's up to AOB to figure out what.
The raw material is there and something is amiss. A clearly gifted trainer such as AOB should find it.
Report Lets Elope April 4, 2012 3:25 AM BST
You only have to look at the horse to realise what's he's lost and that is his magnificent turn of foot, and guess why because he's a compeltely different body shape has lost a high % of his muscle mass from where he gets his drive and power due to aiden's I have had High chapparals before and I know how to train them, one size fits all training, plus the arduous travel schedule. Not a shadow of the horse he was when he left australia.
You want to learn something about your genius trainer MAxim go back and watch the video of his performances as a 4yo in australia under Bart and look closely at his body shape and what a big powerful imposing animal he was, now compare this to how he looked in Dubai and during his european cmapaign last year he looks a completely different horse. By the way as soon as he walked into the yard in dubai I knew he couldn't win he looked shocking. O'Brien doesnt have  a clue how to train this horse and the constant blunders he has made with it clearly indicate this. It's a factory mentality if they handle it they go well if they don't, good horse fall by the wayside, a sign of a top trainer is his willlingness to alter his normal routine to suit an indvidual horse clearly o'brien isn't capable of or stubbornly won't do this and I don't know which is worse.
when interviewed while the horse was stillunbeaten in europe Bar said he's going just ok  but from what I've seen to my eye he doesnt look  as big and strong and physically the same horse, guess what he absolutely spot on.

O'Brien's training, handling of and the racing tactics employed with this horse have nothing been short of incompetent.
He has in fact in succeeded in at least halving if not more than halved his value.
Report p_r_e_m_i_e_r__f_a_n_t_a_s_y April 4, 2012 10:24 AM BST
He hasn't lost anything you clowns, he was beating inferior horses down in Convict Land - SIMPLE AS (thick as pigsh|t you lot are)
Report p_r_e_m_i_e_r__f_a_n_t_a_s_y April 4, 2012 10:25 AM BST
And as i've constantly said he is a very very good horse, a real top group 1 horse but not the 2nd coming like you lot seem to think and he has not been ruined by Aiden O Brian as you lot try to make out.
Report bigted. April 4, 2012 11:26 AM BST
obrien needs to find the 10 lengths he has lost..he should ring Bart..
Report Thebas April 4, 2012 11:59 AM BST
PremFantasy  .. if you ... (and max and topf of course) .. have WORKED OUT THE HORSES ABILITY LIMITATION ... then

why hasn't aiden ffs lolololol ... why does aisen keep falling for the 3 card trick

for example ... one ... going to the US ... after his last campaign had finished .. to run on the dirt vs the lasix horses lol

example two ... the dubai surface

why is it YOU guys can asll see and position SYT correctly in your minds

but aiden CAN'T ????  LaughLaughLaugh

bottom line ... the horse is the horse ... pity aiden can't work it out Wink
Report Lets Elope April 4, 2012 12:00 PM BST
Spot on ted and I reckon 10 lengths is probably a fraction conservative. The horse look shocking and has run according to his looks.
Report Lets Elope April 4, 2012 12:01 PM BST
looks shocking
Report Thebas April 4, 2012 12:05 PM BST
of course the horse has lost lengths guys ... plainly obvious to all that know the horse

those guys over there just can't see ... and won't admit ... that it's the trainer .. it's aiden who can't work out the horse ...
Report p_r_e_m_i_e_r__f_a_n_t_a_s_y April 4, 2012 12:38 PM BST
What are you talking about the horses limitations?? I said the horse is a genuine group 1 performer and Aiden runs him in the top group 1 races in the world over 1m 2f - 1m 4f, what would you suggest he do?? Perhaps he should run the horse in a 2m handicap??
Report Thebas April 4, 2012 12:54 PM BST
tell me this premier ... what if after the QEII (i think that was frankel's last run last campaign) ..

what if henry cecil (sir) announced he was flying the horse over to america ... to run on dirt for the first time .. to round of the campaign

sir henry would have done a far better job with SYT .. than aiden ... who apparently is still working out the horse lol ...

the bots have told you SYT doesn't look a patch in physical condition ... on how he was presented to the track by bart

... but really premier .. you have come in at the tail end ... of us having to listen 'your guys' telling us how brilliant a trainer aiden is .. that is the crux of it

But the thread title by topfarrier tells it all surely ... SLOW you think ... witty ... but is really a pin point viewing of the trainer ... who is apparently placing this ... slow horse ... in the wrong fkn races lol

(even tho we believe he has lost lengths in ability .. pre race condition ... and now some ratings references)
Report megsy April 4, 2012 12:59 PM BST
can anyone name a group 1 performer to race in 6 countries in the northern and southern hempishere's in just over 12 months like SYT has

cant believe Obrien now says the horse cant handle dirt tracks, ffs didnt he learn his lesson at the breeders??? and still admits he hasnt learnt all there is to the horse.
Report Thebas April 4, 2012 1:01 PM BST
exactly megsy ...

you have brought up some excellent points on SYT  .. and frankel

and these discussions could have been full of good will and good info

but to have aiden thrust down our throats as some ... messiah ... when in fact he is running nothing more than a production line of baby ferraris presented to him

it's a dead conversation really .. but we all await SYT's next venture to the track

has aiden planned one yet ?
Report megsy April 4, 2012 1:13 PM BST
Thebas....i think 2 starts then heading to australia for breeding, bring him back to a mile they should,run him against frankel, running 2nd to frankel is nothing to be dissapointed about, who knows, might be an upset, wouldnt they hate that.

i see ankles ( thread host ) has signed in, he must be very embarrassed about his  drunken early sunday morning dribble on here Laugh
Report megsy April 4, 2012 11:14 PM BST
i see MAX has been banned again.
thinking the mad irishman reported him again*
Report Thebas April 5, 2012 12:05 AM BST
wtf does max do .. ive never actually seen a reportable post from him one here ... and the thread's still here ?


and nothing yet from premier .. regarding the furore that would have erupted in the UK if sir henry cecil had ...

1.  presented frankel to his first campaign race under-done (as aiden put it with SYT)

[an underdone horse first up .. unless you are just giving it the 'soft' run .. is very dangerous for a horse ...
they are exuberent & excited being back to the track after a lay-off .. and invariably overextend themselves in the race .. being competitive and winners by nature (well certainly SYT is) ... and
it can gut them ]

2.  after the end of an arduous campaign ... sir henry told the world he was now going to ship the horse to the USA ... to run against the cream of the US ... on a dirt racing surface for the first time lol

3.  sir henry would have been unmercifully lambasted by the UK press & racing followers


... but with aiden .. it's just business as usual ... and he's the best trainer we've ever seen

well the best production line foreman .. anyway  Wink
Report Slabster April 5, 2012 12:16 AM BST
I can't have all this that So You Think has lost lengths since he's been in Ireland, or that he's not as fine a specimen. He looked a real bull of a horse first time out at the Curragh last year, I was there and everyone was mightily impressed with build.

Whoever is saying Aidan is running him in the wrong class of race is ballistic. He's a Group 1 horse, run him in Group 1 races. He's a Group 1 horse but he's no world beater. His form is very closely matched with Snow Fairy: They were close in the Arc, the Champion Stakes at Newmarket and the Irish Champion Stakes. She's a Group 1 mare of similar ability, and there are many horses in Europe of the same caliber: Cirrus Des Aigles, Midday, St Nicholas Abbey, Danedream, Planteur etc.

So You Think is a very good horse but there are many others at least as good.
Report Live_in_Hope April 5, 2012 12:36 AM BST
... all this because some rich old chinaman wanted more money
ffs
Report megsy April 5, 2012 12:47 AM BST
Dato Tan should hold his head low, greedy so n so Sad

maybe if SYT  was raced correctly during a race he might have energy to storm home like the arc which was his non pre preferred distance.

its a shame they love pacemakers in europe
Report Live_in_Hope April 5, 2012 1:02 AM BST
i could no more understand why he sold him than i could comprehend space exploration.
Hope old Dato checks out one of his maiden gallopers being flogged around necastle or wyong and think of what he did have.
Report megsy April 5, 2012 1:28 AM BST
if he wasnt sold...the horse would look a far lot better than he does now, would be going for a 4th cox plate, which would have imortalised him, prize money best in the world here, stud fee's even higher and poor old Dato Tan aint short of a quid...did the dirty on his old mate bart who has lined his pockets with $$$$ and races people can only dream of winning.
Report Thebas April 5, 2012 1:44 AM BST
in a nutshell LIH & megsy ... dato the only one laughing from the sale 


and slabster ... spot on re the curragh ... SYT won by 8 or something that day ... but after the following run in ireland ... aiden said publically ... that he let the horse 'get away from him' .. before his first up run in the UK ...

and after 2 months off ... the same again before his first up run in france ...

oh well ...
Report p_r_e_m_i_e_r__f_a_n_t_a_s_y April 5, 2012 10:21 AM BST
The form of his win in that Group 3 at the Curragh is nothing special FFS, yes he won 10L but he beat Bob Le , Mid Mon Lady, Termagant, Cashlagar and Windsor Palace in quite possibly bar So You Think the worst Group 3 in the history of horse racing.
Report Thebas April 5, 2012 11:16 AM BST
The form of his win in that Group 3 at the Curragh is nothing special FFS, yes he won 10L but he beat Bob Le , Mid Mon Lady, Termagant, Cashlagar and Windsor Palace in quite possibly bar So You Think the worst Group 3 in the history of horse racing. 


.... then you would agree premierF ... that after winning a lowly G3 in ireland ... that not even a 2 bob trainer from county clare ... could not have his horse at correct fitness for a tougher G1 in the UK

... but aiden manged to c0ck it up .. thus we are saying that aiden o'brien is an over-rated production line trainer ... and NOT some genius with a racehorse that magically produces G1 wins from nothing ...  that is the gist of the whole argument

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In post-race interviews, O’Brien shocked many when he admitted: “It [the defeat] was more my fault than anyone else’s that he got beaten and all I can say is sorry. I think I just didn’t have him fit enough. I probably didn’t get stuck into him enough at home, and he had a heavy blow after the race.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/horseracing/8578256/Royal-Ascot-2011-Rewilding-victory-makes-Aidan-OBrien-think-again.html

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slow you think .... the horse maybe ... but the trainer is ... NO THINKEE ... lol  Wink
Report p_r_e_m_i_e_r__f_a_n_t_a_s_y April 5, 2012 11:26 AM BST
The horse is simply not as good as you lot think, he was never as good as you lot think, he is way overrated by you lot. SIMPLE - i'm off, it's like talking to spoilt children who just twist everything to suit them and just ignore the evidence in front of their eyes
Report Thebas April 5, 2012 11:31 AM BST
you have missed the WHOLE POINT again premier lol .. yes again LaughLaughLaugh

regardless of what the horse's ability is .... in your mind our mind ... or aiden's

but what trainer .... would ever step his horse up from a G3 in ireland .. to a G1 in the UK and do the following ....

In post-race interviews, O’Brien shocked many when he admitted: “It [the defeat] was more my fault than anyone else’s that he got beaten and all I can say is sorry. I think I just didn’t have him fit enough.

I probably didn’t get stuck into him enough at home, and he had a heavy blow after the race.



ffs LOL
Report p_r_e_m_i_e_r__f_a_n_t_a_s_y April 5, 2012 11:51 AM BST
You do not know what you're talking about and you are just guessing. He never went from a group3 in Ireland to a group1 in England. He ran in the Tatterstalls Gold Cup (G1) next again on the Curragh and beat Campanoligist 4 1/2L. He then went to Royal Ascot.

As for his comments after Royal Ascot they where clearly just to defend his son who made an absolute ballacks of pace making for the horse on Jan Vermeer, he firstly cut the nose off So You Think on the 1st bend and went a mental pace.

Even you lot agreed with that at the time but now you have changed your mind just to suit you're arguement.
Report Thebas April 5, 2012 12:09 PM BST
wow   Laugh

they were clearly just to defend his son who made an absolute ballacks of pace making for the horse

ah yes the pacemaking ... another favourite subject ...

aiden made an absolute ballacks of pace making in our melb cup too

he entered three horses in the race

the three of them were all up running as the pacemakers ... till they all collapsed and finished well down the line

... you must also see the pattern that is evolving ... regarding aiden

he doesn't have them fit enough

then he c0cks up the pacemakers

... while all you guys over there want us to believe ... he is some sort of G1 "messiah of trainers"


sorry ... don't believe you for one minute re aiden and his big skills lol
Report megsy April 5, 2012 12:15 PM BST
love how frankels connections now want to race black caviar, not over 6f or 7 furlongs, it has to be a mile.....they still wont take frankel out of his comfort zone.

it will never happened jumping from 6f to a mile on an english track that a mile is more like a 1800-2000m race in australia.

i do recall last november P Moody offered a match race over 7f and was decline.

listen to moody's recent views on a match race.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGo0lAODjAQ
Report BJT April 5, 2012 1:17 PM BST
Is it normal for Coolmore to value a horse at 40-50 million and buy majority shares in it, knowing that it is just a regular G1 horse?
Whether you mob want to admit it or not, EVERYBODY knew how good SYT was in regards to the rest of the world when that purchase went through, they just overestimated their trainers ability.

Can go on about AOBs record all you like.  The facts are, UK racing allows horses to be ran dead and have a group of horses all running to give another a better chance.
What sort of a ratio does he have in regards to winners?  What sort of money is in his stable?

Throw me a few hundred million worth of horse and I will likely win a few G1s with them too.

Simple fact is, the connections valued the horse when he was here at 40-50 million.

THEN

Gave it to Aiden O'brien to train.  That is the facts of the matter.  Can say the horse really isn't that good, was overrated, whatever.  So why exactly is your messiahs stable buying it for that sort of money?
Ridiculous arguments.  UK racing really can't be compared with Aus racing when it is legal in UK to enter horses in a race for show and hinderance value with no regards to trying to win.
Australia it is a requirement to have every horse entered in a race, race in such a way to give itself the best possible chance of winning the race.

Whether SYT is as good as it was rated here or not of course is up for debate, but the fact that Obrien slaughtered it as a racehorse cannot be disputed by any person with a resemblance of intelligence.

And all these rubbish arguments about Bart ****s and international racing?  The fact that the journey between Melbourne and Sydney alone is the equivalent of a UK horse travelling through half of Europe including quite a few countries.

****, we have horses travelling further across the state to compete in 10k races than your horses travelling "internationally"... 
Ridiculous argument.

You guys seriously overrate your racing over there which of course leads to the fact that any time there is a suggestion of a match race, it somehow always MUST be in Europe.
Racing is controlled by a select few over there, as are the races.

The other part of all this rubbish, is that a racehorse doesn't make a racehorse.  A racehorse is a team.  Trainer, horse, strapper, etc etc etc...  It is actually amusing somewhat that people are so blind to look at Obrien winning a group 1 in Europe so therefore must be able to do anything with any horse.

Only really need to look at his race when Jan Vermeer cut him in half and the jockey whipped him to within an inch of his life from near 1000m out and realise the jockey on Jan Vermeer was under instructions from Obrien, and the jockey of SYT was under orders from the same goose, to know that Obrien has very little idea of what he is doing.  He plays a weight of numbers game.  People win tattslotto multiple times, doesn't mean they play any better than anybody else, just means they play more.
Report sidepork1 April 5, 2012 1:18 PM BST
I think I just didn’t have him fit enough. I probably didn’t get stuck into him enough at home

wow...........spends 50million on a horse and doesnt have it 100% at every race wow
Report BJT April 5, 2012 1:23 PM BST
lol, yeah just watched that interview too.  Is a classic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yXRnpUz7Q8

In Obriens own words: One of the best horses ever at Coolmore, a very special horse.
He blew like a horse that needed the run.  "Maybe" I should have been harder on him for this race.  "Hopefully" it won't happen again.  With the benefit of hindsight.

"I was just feeling my way"......

The best trainer in the world, and he was just feeling his way?  rotflmfao......

Interpretation:  "I was winging it and hoping the horse was good enough to render my influence as negligible"....
Report BJT April 5, 2012 1:28 PM BST
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6elMmgyzBCk

Obrien one of the best trainers in the world.  Moore one of the best jockeys in Europe.  Given the winner of the race and between them they still manage to **** it up...  rotflmfao...  Jokers don't deserve our time.
Report p_r_e_m_i_e_r__f_a_n_t_a_s_y April 5, 2012 1:37 PM BST
O Brien says that about all his horses FFS, build them up tell everybody they will be a superstar 'propaganda' so when they retire Coolmore will make millions from them. There has been loads of examples of horses that have only been decent group1 horses he has talked up to be machines but they where not.

Believe what you like anyway, my belief is you are a nation of a bunch of facking fools
Report BJT April 5, 2012 3:15 PM BST
Says it all really.  Base your opinion of a nation on a couple of people in the Betfair forum.  lol..  Oh dear.  You don't even have a clue how to help your case.
Report BJT April 5, 2012 3:27 PM BST
So let me get this straight.  Obrien says that he was just feeling his way and hopefully things will be better next time, about all his horses?  Yet somehow you mob think he is the best trainer in the world?  Guy admits to winging it every time, and you think that translates into him knowing what he is doing?  rotflmfao
Report p_r_e_m_i_e_r__f_a_n_t_a_s_y April 5, 2012 3:37 PM BST
When did i ever say he was the best trainer in the world?? NEVER

Did i say he was a very very good trainer?? YES

Did i say O Brien says that he was just feeling his way and hopefully things will be better next time, about all his horses?? NO

I said he is always building them up as superstars for breeding purposes when the reality is they are not the machines he makes out.



All you do is tell lies to try and win the arguement just as Thebas did by saying he went straight from a Group3 at the Curragh to a Group1 in England when that is a load of baloney.

As i have said numerous times the simple fact is the horse is not as good as many thought (myself included). He is a very very good horse but is not the 2nd coming and is not or never was the best horse in the world, we overrated him.

If he was the best horse in the world why could he not win a handicap off 8-11 giving only 3lbs to American??? I suppose you will say he didn't get the 2m but then why did Bart run him in the wrong race??
Report p_r_e_m_i_e_r__f_a_n_t_a_s_y April 5, 2012 3:41 PM BST
The simple facts of the matter are:

Bart ****s - top trainer
Aiden O Brien - top trainer

as their records back up.

So You Think - really good horse
Report Slabster April 5, 2012 8:18 PM BST
Of course Aidan said he didn't have him fit enough at Ascot, what else was he supposed to say about their superstar horse?

"That's as good as he is."

Can't imagine Coolmore would have liked that.
Report BJT April 6, 2012 3:43 PM BST
So Coolmore would rather their head trainer go on public record stating that he is incompetent?  Hmmm
Report Slabster April 6, 2012 3:49 PM BST
That's not going to cost them any money though is it. Aidan would have known that and acted for the best financial interests of Coolmore.
Report sidepork1 April 6, 2012 3:52 PM BST
Look we all remember what happened to Aidan when he came down here before alright,he has nothing..he don't want a piece of us
Report Slabster April 6, 2012 4:01 PM BST
Well thought out and articulated argument, sidepork1.
Report sidepork1 April 6, 2012 4:03 PM BST
Thanks and its also true
Report topfarrier April 6, 2012 6:50 PM BST
An articulated argument.

Wrong forum Slabster.....Laugh
Report Slabster April 6, 2012 7:17 PM BST
So it seems! Laugh
Report sidepork1 April 6, 2012 7:56 PM BST
Last time i got into a debate with B1 and B2, TF headed for the hills and max refused to answer my question/ignore and yet you two plain dumbos keep coming back day after day stating the same sh1t,get a life or a mrs
Report topfarrier April 6, 2012 8:04 PM BST
Ah, Porky the Aussie forums answer to Magnus Magnusson..Laugh

Just don't expect to much Slabster,remember where you are.

A coherent sentence is the best you can hope for i'm afraid.
Report topfarrier April 6, 2012 8:07 PM BST
Talking of coherent sentences....nice try Porky, i see you did at least make an effort.
Report sidepork1 April 6, 2012 8:12 PM BST
u like to tickle the balls dont ya
Report topfarrier April 6, 2012 8:16 PM BST
If thats some sort of Aussie chat up line i'm not interested Porky...Shocked

Try Mugsy.  Wink
Report sidepork1 April 6, 2012 8:21 PM BST
come on no need to hide ur h0mos3xuality anger by attacking us
i see pain hidden in ur pride
just come out itll be a better place
Report topfarrier April 6, 2012 8:26 PM BST
I'm sorry Porky,dyslexia is not an affliction i should be mocking.

I think your very brave...Plain
Report sidepork1 April 6, 2012 8:26 PM BST
then let me ask u this,why do u come here every day starting and stating the same old garbage
Report topfarrier April 6, 2012 8:32 PM BST
You must have mistaken me for someone else surely.

I thought you would appreciate my input into the forum which you'd have to admit is a bit dull to say the least.
After all its not often you get to have a conversation with someone like me.
Report sidepork1 April 6, 2012 8:35 PM BST
After all its not often you get to have a conversation with someone like me.


yea ur gay
Report topfarrier April 6, 2012 8:39 PM BST
You wish.....LaughWink
Report sidepork1 April 6, 2012 8:50 PM BST
Alright

For startes if AOB is such a great trainer,why
1. if he hasn't figured out the horse why is constantly running it and under preparing it
2. taking him over the world,shouldn't he be prepping and working the horse more
3. after his second fail attempt decides only now he can't handle the turf
4. racing him left and right,how is SYT suppose to know if hes in a race or in a track work(to the idiots,horses who races right may think in a left race its a gallop and vice versa)
5. Why does he need to set up races if his horses are so dominate(what was those races where the pacemakers were opening up to let the favoured runner get rail run)
6. why does he avoid the good horses with his good horses?

Slabster,Snow fairy / SYT comparsion,Snow fairy was 3-4Ls superior to GH when GH was ridden from behind now if they meet and GH has a 2-4Ls HS whos going to win?? yet SYT was destroying horses who GH is struggling to beat???

His record looks good with all those Grp1s,but how many of those were really GRP1 on the world level(starters,tactics,prize money,competition) sweet fk all
Report sidepork1 April 6, 2012 8:52 PM BST
He said in a interview a while ago, he noticed how SYT has a high cruising speed...bet you he's taken the sprint out of the horse to try and gain fitness
Report topfarrier April 6, 2012 9:39 PM BST
Very inpressive Porky did you type that out all by yourself?

You've done Magnus Magnusson proud..Laugh

If AOB is guilty of anything its the fact that has been making excuses for a horse that is clearly not good enough.
I don't know if you have seen Ballydoyle but it is the greatest place on earth to train a

racehorse the finest stables,swimming pools, solarium's and certainly the finest

gallops ever devised,left handed,right handed, uphill,straight, grass,woodchip,polytrack any surface you want in fact.

The horse had every advantage he could have.

Incidently i've never stated that he is the greatest trainer in the world although if i was

composing a list he'd have to be on there along with John Oxx,Jim Bolger, Henry Cecil,Barney

Curley and Andre Fabre.
Report topfarrier April 6, 2012 9:52 PM BST
Here you go Porky watch and learn.......Grin


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfQjBpvh1Nw&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnmcdcyoJFg&feature=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmfNhsczhv8&feature=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cxag3l7elm8&feature=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CF8BhQnm8bs&feature=relmfu
Report sidepork1 April 6, 2012 11:07 PM BST
Hes training a speed freak and he cant train speed,in fact before he even made it he had one good horse who was a fkn hurdler,hes blessed with good horses. Thats why he cant figure SYT out,our trainers treat horses as individual hes a factory trainer plain and simple.
Report sidepork1 April 6, 2012 11:19 PM BST
Can you name me one other trainer who travels the world with pacemakers ready to get slaughtered??
Report earlycrow April 6, 2012 11:29 PM BST
Come on shoe hammer man, answer the pig
Report megsy April 6, 2012 11:48 PM BST
"ankles" ( loves topfarriers new nic Wink ) must have ran out of turps.
9 hail mary's ankles, drinking turps,have some fcukin pride, clean yourself up, its good friday...... HIC* Laugh


PS.....yeah like crow said, answer porks
Report megsy April 7, 2012 12:18 AM BST
"ankles" heading home from the australian thread Laugh

Report Slabster April 7, 2012 1:29 AM BST
Porky:

1) The horse is fit, is he meant to leave him in his box? He's not under-preparing him, that's as good as the horse is.

2) If everyone took this attitude no horse would run outside their own country.

3) Wtf this this even mean?

4) Most other horses seem to handle going both ways, maybe the great So You Think cannot?

5) I saw no pacemakers in Dubai.

6) Please give me an example of this happening. Every year he goes out of his way to take on the best around (Sea The Stars, Canford Cliffs).

Regarding the Glass Harmonium formline, in the race to which you refer Glass Harmonium finished 2nd last in a field covered by 5 lengths at the finish. Do you honestly believe that all the runners are that closely matched? The race was run at a slow pace which did not suit the good horses coming from behind (Cirrus Des Aigles, Vision D'Etat, Planteur, Snow Fairy). That she managed to win in spite of the race not being run to suit is a testament to her ability. She's miles better than Glass Harmonium.

The only Group 1's he has won here worth talking about are the Eclipse and the Irish Champion Stakes. Yet judges on this form he is no more than 2-3lbs better than Workforce or Snow Fairy.
Report earlycrow April 7, 2012 1:49 AM BST
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Don't worry spoony,the subject of SYT is now ended.Overhyped,overrated and over here.BC is next.
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Yet still winning group 1 races at will
Report Thebas April 7, 2012 2:40 AM BST
topfarrier
If AOB is guilty of anything its the fact that has been making excuses for a horse that is clearly not good enough.


lol topf ... he's an average production line foreman ... posing as a trainer and horse campigner

forget the pre-europe campign when he UNDER-TRAINED SYT

after a full campaign to the Arc .. he then runs again 13 days later back in the UK .. clearly at the end of his teher that prep ... but NOT FOR AIDEN

who decides to fly him over to america 21 days later ... to run on the dirt for the first time ... against the lasix locals ... in the Breeder's Cup ... ann out and out imbo imo lol ...

ffs aiden ... put on your gumboots ... and muck out a stall please ... and let someone else have a go with the training LaughWink
Report sidepork1 April 7, 2012 2:57 AM BST
1) how do you know if hes fit or not? do you know his training methods do you? - he said he wasnt fit and hasn't figured SYTs head out and youre trying to say he has?? he clearly stated he cant figure the horse out and continues to run it not only in ireland but the uk,fr,us,dubai -- umm? pure genius

2) were not talking about every day horses were talking about a 50million dollar race horse, a horse that likes to lead not sitting 1L of a pacemaker(LOL)

3) he cant figure by his breeding cup run or trackwork that SYT cant handle AW(Astro turf),not only does he take syt to uk,us,fr and dubai but he runs it on a totally foreign turf........lol

4) Are all horses the same?

5) Not Dubai,AW/Dirt is dominatd by ON PACERS;dont you know this? but every other race,infact look at most of his Grp1 win 1 AOB-2nd last AOB,last AOB

6) it escapes me i'll remember later


You answered my question at least,GH is now a improved front runner,no doubt he would beat her but hes way off what SYT was capable of over here

hes a factory trainer,ship em in ship em out..i think a factory trainer had Sea Biscuit before they shipped it to a real trainer
Report BJT April 7, 2012 6:01 AM BST
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYLTzXFVcb0

OBrien is an awesome trainer and his tactics are second to none, especially when racing in second class 2 mile handicaps in an inferior country with inferior horses....


Hmmmmm
Report megsy April 7, 2012 8:31 AM BST
AOB's special moment that 2008 melbourne cup, dictated the race with his pacemakers and the best stayer in the world at the time Septemis, what a finish, AOB runs distant near last all 3 runners and who horse wins the race after travelling nearly the entire straight in the lead?


BART !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WinkWinkWink
Report BJT April 7, 2012 10:51 AM BST
With his 40/1 pop.  Not to mention his other runner ran 6th.  Not going to speculate the odds of that runner, but was no.24 so I can imagine it was a very big price.

Seriously, I can imagine the conversation now with Obrien and his jockey.  "I want you to set the pace for my other runners"....
Pity he said the same thing to all his starters and as such they were all gone on the turn.  rotflmfao...  Guy is pure genius.  Travels half way across the world with 3 pacemakers all setting the pace for ummmmmm, each other?  Hmmmmmmmmm... 

If this guy is up there in the top trainers in the world, then I am in the wrong job.  If he is one of the best, I would be considered the ****ing messiah, and I have never trained a horse in my life.
Report Slabster April 7, 2012 3:45 PM BST
1) Horse looked ready to rock and roll to my eyes, had two previous runs. I certainly know more about his training methods than you do. I've already said why he has said these things, trying to protect the horses reputation. It's proving increasingly difficult to this however as the horse just isn't as good as everyone thought.

2) So instead of running the horse in the big races, he should be at home running up the gallop the whole time? He has to run some time. As I said, if everyone took this attitude no horse would run in the big foreign races. You make it sound like he's the best horse in the world, head and shoulders above his rivals. He is not, and it's been proven time and time again.

3) Seems this great horse of yours can't handle much...

4) See above.

5) Pacemakers ensure a truly run race, no harm in that. The best horse should win with a strong even gallop.

6) Convenient.

Glass Harmonium wouldn't see Snow Fairy for dust. Your grasp of European form obviously leaves a lot to be desired. Trust me when I say Snow Fairy would kick Glass Harmonium into touch. have you ever even seen Snow Fairy?

Factory trainer? Well that explains his tender handling of Yeats to 4 Ascot Gold Cups, and his superb placing of St Nicholas Abbey since his 3yo injury. Or his work with Fame And Glory to prime him for the big day at Ascot last year.

I admit they got the tactics all wrong in that Melbourne Cup. But that is one mistake in how many races? His record speaks for itself.

This will be my last post in this forum, because you are an unbelievably blinkered lot here. Might as well be talking to the wall.

I'm sure Black Caviar will come over to Ascot and trounce the home team, I hope she does, can't wait to see her. However the amount of sh1te being spewed about So You Think is diabolical. He's not in the top 5 Group 1 older horses in Europe:

Frankel
Excelebration
Danedream
Immortal Verse
Cirrus Des Aigles


The sooner you lot get over that the sooner some intelligent discussion may occur.

Good luck.
Report megsy April 7, 2012 11:29 PM BST
2) So instead of running the horse in the big races, he should be at home running up the gallop the whole time? He has to run some time.

ohhh looky, theres a race he can run in....5 fcukin countries later, 6 counting where he came from Laugh
Report megsy April 7, 2012 11:38 PM BST
So You Think is diabolical. He's not in the top 5 Group 1 older horses in Europe:

Frankel
Excelebration
Danedream
Immortal Verse
Cirrus Des Aigles


wow frankel, excelebration and Immortal Verse
yet to make their first appearance as older horses, pure arrogance dont you thinkWhoops
Report sidepork1 April 8, 2012 1:57 AM BST
1) Horse looked ready to rock and roll to my eyes, had two previous runs. I certainly know more about his training methods than you do. I've already said why he has said these things, trying to protect the horses reputation. It's proving increasingly difficult to this however as the horse just isn't as good as everyone thought.
-youre making this up unless you know AOB,and im pretty sure you dont so again youre just making it up

2) So instead of running the horse in the big races, he should be at home running up the gallop the whole time? He has to run some time. As I said, if everyone took this attitude no horse would run in the big foreign races. You make it sound like he's the best horse in the world, head and shoulders above his rivals. He is not, and it's been proven time and time again.
-again you dont know much? you take your time with a 50million dollar horse like Frankels trainer has

3) Seems this great horse of yours can't handle much...
- just like Galileo over 1000m, just like Sea The Stars over 1200m and on and on..idiot
4) See above.
-above
5) Pacemakers ensure a truly run race, no harm in that. The best horse should win with a strong even gallop.
-lack of knowledge,horses are individuals some horses may only try when ridden in front/vice versa, doesnt matter if its doesnt like running in the herd it wont run..
6) Convenient.
-Thanks
Factory trainer? Well that explains his tender handling of Yeats to 4 Ascot Gold Cups, and his superb placing of St Nicholas Abbey since his 3yo injury. Or his work with Fame And Glory to prime him for the big day at Ascot last year.
-How many other horses suvive past 3/4? Not many..u listed 3 I can list plenty more if u want me too,why get rid of a horse thats performing..yeats lol even he got his bummed spanked down under

I admit they got the tactics all wrong in that Melbourne Cup. But that is one mistake in how many races? His record speaks for itself.
-Tactic wrongs,more like didnt have more then 30% of the field so he failed to fix the race

This will be my last post in this forum, because you are an unbelievably blinkered lot here. Might as well be talking to the wall.

I'm sure Black Caviar will come over to Ascot and trounce the home team, I hope she does, can't wait to see her. However the amount of sh1te being spewed about So You Think is diabolical. He's not in the top 5 Group 1 older horses in Europe:

Frankel
Excelebration
Danedream
Immortal Verse
Cirrus Des Aigles

- all they need to do is finish second 10Ls behind frankel and theyre ranked higher then SYT..what a laugh
The sooner you lot get over that the sooner some intelligent discussion may occur.
- who made this thread? and the one before..and before

Good luck.
Report bigted. April 12, 2012 10:06 AM BST
COOLMORE Stud has confirmed the imminent retirement of So You Think to stand at stud in Australia.

The eight-time Group1 winner will head into quarantine "in a few weeks time"  according to a statement from Coolmore.

H0wever, the statement appeared to leave the door open for one final race in Europe.

It said:  "So You Think will join the roster at Coolmore Australia in September at the end of his racing career, alongside Musir, Uncle Mo & Zoffany."

The six-year-oldson of High Chapparal, a top level winner in both hemispheres, was last seen out when fourth in the Dubai World Cup.



Aidens probly cost coolmore 30 grand a pop from what they would of got had bart kept it

imo
Report Lets Elope April 13, 2012 8:03 AM BST
That's at a minimum ted but i think most smart owners in australia are intelligent enought to realise that o'briens training destroyed the horse and will remember its outstanding australian performances under the expert guidance of bart rather than his lack lustre efforts under O'briens care.
Report BJT April 13, 2012 8:56 AM BST
5) Pacemakers ensure a truly run race, no harm in that. The best horse should win with a strong even gallop.


What?  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6elMmgyzBCk

So this pacemaker ensured a truly run race?  Seems to me that all that happened here was a horse was pushed along from the start, got out to 6 lengths in front while the rest of the field carried on with their business judging their own pace, then the "pacemaker" became a hinderance with 1000 to go when he fell in a hole and tailed off last.

I have seen this so many times it is not funny.  That isn't a pacemaker, that is a tearaway horse with no chance of beating a horse home.  It is running a horse dead, and in no way is it setting any sort of pace when the other horses aren't sticking with him anyway.
A pacemaker by definition is there to set a pace that is productive for who he is making the pace for.  That isn't a productive pace, it is just a horse getting ridden hard from the start.  A horse running a sprint and costing punters bulk money while the trainers cash in since they knew they were running it dead.

Pacemakers are a hugely ridiculous idea in an event that people gamble on, and they can't even get it right.
In reality, instead of being called pacemakers, they should be called "horses that have their ears ridden off that do nothing but cost the punters money and become a danger to every other horse in the race"......

Pacemakers?  Please.
Report BJT April 13, 2012 8:58 AM BST
Pacemaker = corruption.  Simple as it gets.
Report bigted. April 13, 2012 9:02 AM BST
agree..poms dont see it that way tho..
Report BJT April 13, 2012 9:31 AM BST
Yeah, they think they need "pacemakers" to "ensure a truly run race".  In Australia we use jockeys..........   Hmmm.
Report Russell-the-Crow April 19, 2012 12:30 AM BST
Sausage jockeys.ShockedShocked
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