Grand National
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11 Apr 18
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no matter how much ive tried this one is hard to fault.
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May win but I can find a big fault, it's run in last years Irish National which was it's only attempt in a long distance (3m plus) handicap chase.
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Disagree Binderee....agree with you Callisto.
Proven stamina in decent races, 3 x cheltenham wins shows he must have some class, trainer adept at geeting them ready on the right mark, will have a very good jockey on board, still only 8 but yet massively experienced and his best ratings have been this season so still showing signs of improving. Whats not to like!.......well maybe in the horses history it might be looked at that he likes better ground but winning last time on soft perhaps put that to bed. |
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I've backed this lad, but have to say his jumping has to hold up. As Bindaree says last year in the Irish National he jumped appallingly. He won the 4m NH Chase in spite of his jumping at Cheltenham last year. He must have some engine but if he jumps poorly he has no chance. At 50's he was worth the risk, but I couldn't play at current prices.
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Not saying wont win just answering the thread. The X country race is a mickey mouse contest, the horse that finished second is moderate. In the 4 miler it had the advantage of being the highest rated but ran off level weights. Also after the Cheltenham race this horse was very distressed and the TV cameras wouldn't even put it in shot for fear it was going to collapse.
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I do agree about the jockey though.
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just seen him on TV, knew he was quite a small horse but didnt realise quite how small
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I don't like small horses in the GN but it is probably the one horse taking into account it's weight, age, staying power and potential improvement who could blow the field away. Not betting it and don't really fancy but everything else does seem totally exposed without any scope for massive improvement.
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I am a great admirer of this horse and Elliott is a genius with all things equine....but,Mick Fitzgerald is worried about his jumping...he is low and choppy and after seeing him demolish the Aintree fence in the cross-country at Cheltenham...if he get's round, I will go to confessions..and I'm not even a Catholic
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Oh well ' .....if MF says ....' then you know it's got no chance !!!!
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Won't get round - place lay.
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Maybe not, Tiger Roll is one of my 4 selections. I've not had a GN winner for the last 7 years, but 6 2nds.
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think if he takes to the fences massive chance you have to be adaptable and nimble footed for x-country course Seagram only small but jumped them fine.
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Unfortunately the two races are poles apart. In the GN there is a relentless end to end gallop whereas in the mickey mouse race they are stopping and turning etc. Hence why a horse like Any Currency was rated in the 150s over X country but wasn't sighted in the GN off a low 130s rating.
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They used to just ' hunt ' them round, on the first circuit, and then start racing. Do you think this has changed since the fences were altered ?
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In short, definitely !!
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probably need to truly stay now certainly less emphasis on jumping
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What does a Catholic Church look like!
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Well done everyone who's backed him. A well deserved winner despite the winning margin.
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remember gordon told kevin blake who then passed it on during the ATR preview that tiger roll was absolutely phuckin flying and was going to run a big race (at cheltenham)
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Yes, I saw that interview and backed him whilst at Cheltenham simply on the authority with which he said it. Hacked up there and then had him again today as was most impressed.
A tremendous little beast :) |
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W d callisto
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A repeat perhaps. He was awesome lst time out winning as he liked.
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4/1 7/2
Fences ain’t worry, getting a run rd With out get brought down or something Why in world would you play them prices insane ! I’d rather wait play ew game get 7/2 or bigger With a firm that goes 1st 7 or 8 on the day 7/2 insane price |
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He will be on 11 5 if Bristol De Mai comes out.
His jumping style will not get him around to victory again imo. |
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Excellent lay to back trading opportunity. Must be a minimum of 6/1 available on the day, if not 7/1. Who in their right mind is backing at 5.1 on betfair and 7/2 high st. SP could be short mind you as those Aintree bookies don't give much away.
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I’ve got him in a £70 treble 4/1 winner Tiger Roll at 12/1 grand national and a 10/1 shot in the all weather finals ,we can dream can’t we it will be a itchy two weeks if T R does the buisness
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He might have just lasted home last season however, he was going easily and passed the eventual 2nd (by a neck) almost 2 fences - Anibale Fly was several lengths away in 3rd; he seemed to have progressed loads this season judging from the canter he won the X-country at Cheltenham last week. If getting a tow further into the race, and the ground less testing - it was heavy last year - he'd (again) put the race to bed at the Elbow.
Agree though 4/1 is very skinny for the Grand National, but he seemed to have improved massively this year; Rathvinden/Mall Dini (both also entered/the latter ran in for the Irish version too; Vintage Clouds the near bottom weight has credential if getting a run (highly so, I believe). |
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Very likable horse but I thought he beat a few slow boats who were past their prime at Cheltenham. Long-range forecast shows a fair few showers are due Aintree week, couple that with the fact he rapidly ran out of gas last year, I think his price is ridiculously short. Podium finisher for me but not the overall winner.
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Pros: Reigning champion; improved; only 2lbs worse off with runner-up; took it up too early on heavy ground; unproven and uncertainties about running plans with main protagonists.
Cons: Just lasted home; price is very skinny; new protagonists with promise (if running). 4/1 is skinny but fair, I believe, all things considered. |
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i had him a 90/1 doublw with tiger woods to win the masters happy days
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Tiger Roll definetly going for the
HATRICK Says the TRAINER Come on Gordon  |
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Another Red Rum come next April, I think, if he stays sound and just as lethal as the season's gone.
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Be 11.10 to carry this year ?
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It's a possibility given he carried 11st 5lbs to victory this year, what is another 5lb?. With some luck Native River and Bristol De Mai run too, and they could shoulder top weight of 11st 10lbs; 'sly' is 5/1 (nrnb).
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Biggest ever payout on the Tiger Roll Cheltenham/Aintree double this year
Fraction of the odds this time around but still gone in at 13/1 13/2 for the National, also Just think won with plenty in hand and can emulate the legendary Red Rum, winning the National an amazing 3 times |
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I hope you've done it with Sly who are nrnb. He'd be a doubt after sustaining an injury. But, connections are hopeful he'll be back for the Boyne Hurdle some time in February.
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Seems the operation gone well
Back on track for the GN according to the TRAINER!!! |