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27 Feb 17 18:46
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Minello Rocco is the value at 33/1 for this years national, this year has been a complete disaster regarding his performances but they were equally as bad up till the 20th Feb last year. He simply proved last spring that he was the best 4 miler in the British Isle when winning the National Hunt Chase. Native River who was second has been nothing short of sensational this season which included the Hennessey Gold Cup and then there is Noble Endeavor who was travelling well along side Minella Rocco at the 2nd last when falling going on to win Ireland's Paddy Power chase at Leopardstown. A Cheltenham race of this calibre cannot be underestimated.
The falls this year are a huge negative but I expect him to again come to his own as the Season progresses and a big run even in the Gold Cup will leave him spot on for the Grand National. It is just a case that there are not that many 33/1 shots who boast the form this lad does.
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Report DHB March 18, 2017 1:47 AM GMT
Nearly favourite now. However, there's three major issues. One, he's fallen twice in nine chases. Two, he's only had nine chases which is the least since Minnehoma's nine in 1994 (I don't know the previous to have that little experience). Three, 7yo has been placed since 1971.
Report casemoney March 18, 2017 6:10 PM GMT
Im surprised they are Running Him Shocked
Report Fallen Angel March 19, 2017 9:52 AM GMT
Any decisions from JP on what horses will actually run? I have backed cause of causes who was a little unlucky not to get in last year. Anyone know if its this one or Irish Grand National?
Report Fabulous March 19, 2017 12:38 PM GMT
I think Cause of Causes is a cert to go, and I've chipped away at him myself over the last few months.

Minella Rocco had The Irish National as preference a couple of months back, but I suppose with the weights already framed for both races, they are in a nice position with him, and you could understand if they changed their minds.

The hardest one of the JP entries to weigh up is Shutthefrontdoor. Is he gone at the game, does he really want The National trip, or has been laid out for this again, who knows?????

I really wanted More of That to go, as I have a few quid on him at 1000's, but the market vibes aren't great, and I fear the worst.

Good luck with Cause of Causes (obviously lol) Happy
Report GoldCupWinner March 19, 2017 7:38 PM GMT
7 year olds don't have a great record but I don't think it is a reason to avoid Minella. He's ran in two fiercely contested races at the national and has also displayed his stamina in abundance.  If these are the reasons 7 year olds normally fail then I wouldn't be worried. Obviously he has fell a couple of times which is a worry over these fences. It will be interesting to see how the pipe runner does. Clearly lacked for stamina imo at 4 miles last year so will be interesting to see if an extra year has brought about extra stamina as he is excellent over the fences.
Report Fallen Angel March 21, 2017 11:07 AM GMT
What has happened to the horse? Found to have an injury after the race?
Report Fabulous March 21, 2017 11:41 AM GMT
Jonjo said he is fine, and will now be trained for next years Gold Cup.

Shutthefrontdoor heading to Irish National, but More of That confirmed as heading for The National.
Report Johnny_Mustang March 21, 2017 1:44 PM GMT
Report Rydal March 21, 2017 1:51 PM GMT
8 maids a-milking?
Report tashkent terror December 28, 2017 6:01 PM GMT
Great run in the (Lexus) today...looking something back to his best. I believe Cheltenham GC is no 1 target but anyone know if GN 2018 is a possibility?

Taken a few nibbles around the 30's mark just in case.
Report The Dragon January 3, 2018 7:40 PM GMT
round abour 25s now
Report irishone February 5, 2018 10:15 AM GMT
fell at the last in the irish gold cup yesterday. was jumping well up to that point but got very tired when the sh1t hit the fan . was well up with them. assuming wont go for english gold cup now. ran straight through the fence and will need time to recover. interesting that derek preferred the winner. aintree would be perfect, 4 miles plus, plenty of time out. worth a punt.
Report irishone February 14, 2018 10:17 PM GMT
Too much weight now for me, mouse and noel meade must be pleased
Report baNjackst March 19, 2018 8:32 PM GMT
Having backed him to win a right few quid in 2017 I was devastated when he was pulled out when favorite. I stick to my original post that his win in the 4 mile national hunt chase was underestimated but with the second now a Gold Cup winner the 162 he has been allocated doesn't appear as harsh. He is a spring horse and everything he does in winter months can always be ignored. I haven't a cent on him this year but he must be shortlisted now that the national has been pinpointed as the target. Personally I think McManus's racing manager made a huge error last year not running him as he proved in the 2017 Gold Cup he was in form. I know I'm going to get shot down on my last point but I hope BG rides one of the owners other horses. BG is one of my favorite jockeys of all time but through all the falls and injuries he has suffered he has lost his edge. When your riding Minella Rocco you'd need balls of steel and throw him at the national fences. I just don't believe BG would be able to do so. I have to back him.
Report woodmanchester March 19, 2018 10:47 PM GMT
Why was Rocco withdrawn from Gold Cup. Bad vibe? The other horse mentioned on this thread Cause Of Causes ran like an absolute pig in the Foxhunters. Happy to stick with Blaklion and The Last Samuri
Report woodmanchester March 19, 2018 10:53 PM GMT
Oh, think it was the Cross Country
Report bigH March 20, 2018 5:12 PM GMT
CoC was kicked by a faller and went lame

It happens
Report buddeliea March 20, 2018 5:25 PM GMT
Im on Rocco,big chance imo.
Nice price for a Gold Cup runner up,still young,has fallen a few times, but puts it together hes a big runner.
Report Meat Loaf March 20, 2018 6:34 PM GMT
Top weights do not win Grand Nationals.
Report Facts March 21, 2018 5:26 PM GMT
Unless your name was Red Rum
Report sixtwosix March 21, 2018 6:23 PM GMT
Crossed off the list a long time ago . no chance.
Report Bindaree March 22, 2018 7:49 PM GMT
This is why I think the GN has been ruined. As it stands the topweight (sic) only has to concede 17lbs to anything. More like a conditions race.
Report adamski April 11, 2018 12:35 PM BST
They missed the boat with this one, should have run it last year when it was thrown in.
Report duffy April 12, 2018 2:53 AM BST
Has a big chance IMO but is definitely one to wait for I/R, he just gives himself too much ground to make up with his poor jumping, if he takes to it and can stay in touch nothing will come home better the run to the line after the last is positively made for him, if he's looking like it after the first circuit then I'll be backing him.
Report bigH April 12, 2018 9:56 AM BST
spot on duffy

If it is within 20 lengths after the 2nd last, it wins

Beaten the current GC winner ( a top stayer) twice and when it won the 4 miler at Cheltenham it looked like it could do another lap
Report bigH April 12, 2018 9:56 AM BST
spot on duffy

If it is within 20 lengths after the 2nd last, it wins

Beaten the current GC winner ( a top stayer) twice and when it won the 4 miler at Cheltenham it looked like it could do another lap
Report Bindaree April 12, 2018 11:04 AM BST
Are you forgetting how much weight it has ? There are plenty of other stout stayers and they certainly wont have 20 lengths taken off them receiving a load of weight.
Report buddeliea April 12, 2018 12:30 PM BST
more concerned about the ground
Report Rydal April 12, 2018 12:37 PM BST
He beat Native River over 4 miles on good to soft...
Report buddeliea April 12, 2018 12:43 PM BST
Yep, good to soft is fine.
Don't need any more rain.
Report Bindaree April 12, 2018 1:26 PM BST
True he did beat Native River over 4 miles 2 years ago but Measureofmydreams was only 7 lengths behind and he hasn't been sighted in any race since. Just putting that performance in perspective.
Report Bindaree April 12, 2018 3:27 PM BST
Surely Geraghty would be riding if this is the most fancied of JPs entries ?
Report buddeliea April 12, 2018 7:00 PM BST
MR has finished 2nd in a Gold Cup and proved he stays at least 4 miles.
His main problem is whether the ground will dry up enough for him.

As for Geraghty,well hes got another horse that has placed in the Gold Cup,and one that will appreciate current ground conditions more. They are both big runners imo......he cannot ride both.
Report Bindaree April 12, 2018 7:54 PM BST
Not sure if i heard it correctly but believe Ruby Walsh said to forget the horses carrying more than 11 st under current going.
Report Rydal April 12, 2018 8:00 PM BST
....some of us will just have to hope that the current going changes then Laugh
Report sewter lives again April 12, 2018 8:09 PM BST
McCoy seemed adamant today that ground was wrong for MR
Report Bindaree April 12, 2018 8:09 PM BST
Would be one of the mightiest performances ever under any conditions.
Report bexley April 12, 2018 9:18 PM BST
and that doesn't even factor in the terrible form of his trainer's stable
Report Bindaree April 13, 2018 9:54 AM BST
Rydal, it has Laugh
Report J.J.Cale...pedrocadiz April 13, 2018 9:55 AM BST
i can see minella getting withdrawn personally.
Report sewter lives again April 13, 2018 9:58 AM BST
was just thinking the same thing JJ given the recent rain wouldnt be surprised if Vincente was rerouted to Ayr as well
Report Bindaree April 13, 2018 10:02 AM BST
I find Vicente farcical. All season we hear from the trainer that it doesn't like soft to explain below par performances but then they run it at Cheltenham and Aintree on very soft ground !!
Report dyno-layer April 13, 2018 10:07 AM BST
Cannot have Minello Rocco on my mind here at all. So many negatives
Report irishone April 13, 2018 10:12 AM BST
Non runner

Everything goes up a pound as well ????
Report sewter lives again April 13, 2018 10:12 AM BST
MR non runner according to ATR
Report J.J.Cale...pedrocadiz April 13, 2018 10:17 AM BST
Cant get highsight like this anywhere else.. lol. Now for Raz De Maree to win for the JJ/Sewter double. ha ha
Report bexley April 13, 2018 10:22 AM BST
Nice, a maximum lay replaced by a £5k green. Let’s keep going with the non runners please let’s get Vintage Clouds in
Report J.J.Cale...pedrocadiz April 13, 2018 10:24 AM BST
I'm with you on that Bexley. Gagging for vintage to run.
Report sewter lives again April 13, 2018 10:32 AM BST
I am green on both but RDM much more than VC
Report bexley April 13, 2018 12:01 PM BST
I agree with you re Vincente, Bindaree, been expecting him to be withdrawn.
I have a bad feeling Nicholls will wait until after the first race, get the jockey feedback and race time, then withdraw him. Would be a real crap way to treat the reserves connections. I’m probably just being paranoid
Report bexley April 13, 2018 12:10 PM BST
Vincente out
Report bexley April 13, 2018 12:11 PM BST
Apologies Mr Nicholls
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