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got it down to seven, want to back a maximum of 5, can any of you better informed types give me some obvious reasons to strike a couple of the list...

Quito De La Roque
Monbeg Dude
Burton Port
Chance De Roy
Raz De Maree
Soll
Night in Milan
Pause Switch to Standard View knock a couple off my shortlist for me..
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Report Fallen Angel March 31, 2014 10:17 AM BST
You might find that they dont all get in. You wont have a problem then
Report dunlaying March 31, 2014 10:39 AM BST
I would not discard Raz De Maree .
Report boy wonder 07 March 31, 2014 11:20 AM BST
I agree about raz de mare have taken a bit of 75 on here has won a cork and munster national and seems to be coming to the boil at right time only thing I would point out is not much left handed form my main bet is monbeg dude bet him at 33 after his Cheltenham win good luck
Report alabaster crashes down March 31, 2014 11:28 AM BST
going to leave out Soll I think, ran a good race last year and could easily run into a place this year with the extra experience but probably not got the class to actually win it even with some improvement?
Report sixtwosix March 31, 2014 12:12 PM BST
Monbeg Dude , his jumping will stand the test.
Burton Port , gone at the game ,should be retired.
Chance Du Roy , wouldn't got 36 furlongs if he started now.
Report Ming_the_Merciless March 31, 2014 12:15 PM BST
I like your list very much - which means you should discount all of them Laugh
Report GI MAC March 31, 2014 12:28 PM BST
I like your shortlist also, have backed two of them (CDR & RDM). The only two I would not consider backing from your list at the moment are QDLR & Soll as I believe both show their best form on soft ground (unlikely atm).

I don't really understand the comments above about Chance Du Roy staying the trip; 3m2f win over these fences in soft ground suggests he has stamina. He's my main bet for the race.
Report Ilnamar March 31, 2014 12:42 PM BST
looks like you are using a pretty similar set of stats to me for your selections....I like your top 5.  Soll lacks the class imo and horses that have previously finished unplaced have a poor record (although Mon Mome bucked this trend).  Night in a Milan unlikely to get in.
Report alabaster crashes down March 31, 2014 12:48 PM BST
thanks for the comments chaps, yes linamar loosely stats based but without hard and fast rules. Night in Milan needs another 6 or so to come out now?
Report Biscar Two from a mile back March 31, 2014 5:37 PM BST
8 came out today
Report jasey March 31, 2014 6:08 PM BST
Quito and Soll
Report THE MUFF FUFFLER March 31, 2014 6:14 PM BST
Quito De La Roque came into my reckoning but discarded as not placed at 26f or over.
Monbeg Dude im backing
Burton Port im backing
Raz De Maree im backing
Night in Milan, if gets in is 8 years old (puts me off) and has won less than 100k in total prize money and the same goes for Soll
Undecided on Chance De Roy

The other im backing is Balthazar King, although if it rains alot then it might not run.
Report sgt bilko March 31, 2014 7:06 PM BST
Have backed two of them Burton Port &
Raz De Maree
Report dunlaying March 31, 2014 7:20 PM BST
To look at the betting Raz De Maree appears friendless but clearly it is not.
Report jasey March 31, 2014 7:35 PM BST
Unfashionable horse
Report GoldCupWinner March 31, 2014 8:09 PM BST
I'm sure I read some stat about horses wearing blinkers or visors first time that season not having a good record. Was only thing that put me off.
Report jasey March 31, 2014 8:26 PM BST
Well they been hacking up at cheltenham
Report rogerthebutler March 31, 2014 8:34 PM BST
I'm going on a stag do to the National on Saturday and unfortunately, I'm seen as the racing expert (pause for laughter) and have offered to do a pen-portrait on all the runners left in the National (yeah, so what did you all do at the weekend Grin? ) and distribute it to the lads who are going

Anyway, for better or worse, here's what I wrote on the horses in question:

QUITO DE LA ROQUE – A shadow of the horse that won Grade One chase over 3 miles as a novice in 2011. May well bowl along at the head of affairs for much of the race but has stamina and now, unfortunately, class questions to answer at this level.

MONBEG DUDE –A Welsh National winner, carrying 10-09, with the requisite mix of youth and experience. May find the ground too lively for him if there’s no rain, but don’t expect to see him near the front until the last half-mile, which is the way his jockey (Paul Carberry – winner on Bobbyjo in 1999) likes to play things. Not always the best tactics given the carnage that can affect those in midfield on occasions, but the sort of ride in which Carberry specialises.

BURTON PORT – Looked to have the world at his feet a couple of years ago, when fourth in The Cheltenham Gold Cup, but has gone backwards since then and still has not won for 4 years. Nonetheless his last run gave grounds for optimism new trainer Jonjo O'Neil has found the key to revitalising him. He has been handed a seriously lenient weight for one of his ability.  If he takes to the fences, he is in with a real chance

CHANCE DU ROY – Won the Becher Chase over these fences in November after which he was given a gentle time of things to get him spot on for today. Tends to get behind in his races before staying on late and may find it all happening a bit quick for him on unsuitably fast ground.

RAZ DE MAREE – Useful chaser who possibly wants it softer than it's likely to be. Trainer Dessie Hughes has won the Becher Chase over these fences so knows what it takes to ready one for Aintree. Breeding is all stamina and could surprise a few and outrun his (big) odds if he gets into the race off 10-03.

SOLL – Like Across The Bay went well for a long way last year, tiring from Valentines Brook on the second circuit to finish seventh. Another who will stay forever if it comes up soft.

NIGHT IN MILAN – May not get into the race and has the Topham Chase here on Friday as an alternative. Rates a lively outsider if he does make the line up in the National, the forcing tactics employed last time, plus the first-time blinkers working the oracle over 3m2f at Doncaster. He’ll probably find a few too good even so, but was the subject of a gamble this last weekend from 50/1 down to 33’s generally, so someone thinks they know something.

HTH
Report alabaster crashes down March 31, 2014 8:45 PM BST
thanks roger.

I've backed my top five now with Night in Milan seemingly struggling to get in and Soll more a place hope than anything else. Hopefully get some good runs for my money, good luck and thanks to all that contributed. Cool
Report The RealDeal April 1, 2014 6:32 AM BST
Rog

How about popping the full list up, I quite liked the way the comments were written.

Good luck with the stag, it sounds like a long day!
Report sageform April 1, 2014 1:33 PM BST
I also have some doubt about Chance du Roy getting the trip but I happen to know that the owner wasn't keen a while back and it is more likely the trainer or jockey that thinks it has a decent chance. Experience of the course is a plus as he is not very big.
Report jasey April 1, 2014 1:55 PM BST
Chance Du Roy should at least complete the race
10 places market on here last year
Report rogerthebutler April 1, 2014 2:11 PM BST
PEN PORTRAITS: RUNNERS 2014

The final 40 runners for the race will not be known until 10.00 a.m. Thursday 3rd April, so the following is an assessment of those still declared to run and is in betting market order as of 31st March. Only the top 40 in the weights will run.

TEAFORTHREE – Hits the bullseye regarding age, weight and his third last year answers the Aintree factor and ‘will he stay the trip’ questions. Or does it, since he emptied out spectacularly after the final fence last year. His jockey (Nick Schofield) will surely try to play him that bit later this year. Rates a solid favourite though and hard to see him out the first four. If he does win, its trainer, Rebecca Curtis, is pure eye-candy and will be worth a watch in the post-race interviews!

LONG RUN – A former Cheltenham Gold Cup and King George Chase winner, this horse is pure class. Proven stamina and forget mutterings about his jockey. Although an amateur, Sam Waley-Cohen rides Aintree better than a lot of professionals. My doubts surround the horses appetite for the game now (he’s had a very long career over fences) and his weight of 11-09.

TIDAL BAY – Will bring the house down if this old boy (13), carrying top weight wins. Should show up for a long way, but the stats are against him and not for me, but will carry a lot of sentimental money.

MONBEG DUDE –A Welsh National winner, carrying 10-09, with the requisite mix of youth and experience. May find the ground too lively for him if there’s no rain, but don’t expect to see him near the front until the last half-mile, which is the way his jockey (Paul Carberry – winner on Bobbyjo in 1999) likes to play things. Not always the best tactics given the carnage that can affect those in midfield on occasions, but the sort of ride in which Carberry specialises.

TRIOLO D’ALENE – A seven year old, trained by Nicky Henderson, carrying 11-06. One of those stats I could live with, but all three? Hmm. Won a big handicap chase at Newbury in November and has a very light campaign this season, geared around getting him cherry-ripe for today but even so, his run in the Gold Cup a few weeks ago gave little sign of encouragement, though he has had an operation to help his breathing since then. Too many if’s and buts to be taking a short-ish price about him for me.

PINEAU DE RE – Given an unconventional prep race coming third over hurdles at Cheltenham recently. That was a tough race but he hits a lot of trends and his trainer, Dr Richard Newland, is no dummy about getting one right for a big day in the sunshine. Respected at around 25/1.

ROCKY CREEK – Not convinced he fits the National winner profile despite his two second places in very decent races this season. A second season chaser, and an eight year old, lacks the requisite experience for the National and may find things happening a bit quick for him. Set to carry 11-05. Not this year maybe but definitely one for the future if he takes to Aintree.

BALTHAZAR KING – A standing dish around Cheltenham’s ‘up hill and down dale’ Cross Country Course, which is part race, part show-jumping. Clearly has the requisite jumping skill to handle these fences but a conventional race at conventional race pace may not play to his strengths.

BURTON PORT – Looked to have the world at his feet a couple of years ago, when fourth in The Cheltenham Gold Cup, but has gone backwards since then and still has not won for 4 years. Nonetheless he has a very competitive weight for one of his (latent?)ability. If he takes to the fences, he could be a threat to everyone.

PRINCE DE BEUCHENE – The leading hope for Ireland, trained by the best in racing currently, Willie Mullins. Very few miles on the clock for an 11 year old and has won here in a big field, albeit over the more conventional fences on the Mildmay course. Unproven over extreme distances but given a chance by the handicapper and is likely to be the mount of Ruby Walsh (successful on Hedgehunter and Papillon) and therefore a popular choice with the ‘once a year’ punters.

DOUBLE SEVEN – Ran up a string of wins early in the season, including the valuable Munster National at Limerick. Looked scheduled for the Irish National after that but the trainer Martin Brassil (won this race with Numbersixvalverde in 2006) had a change of heart and now Aintree looks on his agenda, possibly with Tony McCoy riding. Has had plenty of runs for an 8-year-old, none at anything further than 3m 1f (there’s not that many at extreme trips in his native Ireland however) and whilst his breeding is all stamina, Aintree and the National is going to be a whole new thing for him.

COLBERT STATION – Fell at The Chair last year, when quietly fancied to run a big race, at 12/1.Has tooled around over a mixture of fences and hurdles at (generally) shorter trips this season, with today’s race seemingly very much ‘the plan’ for shrewd trainer Ted Walsh, who won this with Papillon in 2000. If mentally unscarred by last years’ experience is capable of a big run, but a fall in his prep race calls into question his jumping ability. Another that McCoy may end up piloting.

SHAKALAKABOOMBOOM – Possibly the forgotten horse of the race. Ninth a couple of years ago having been in the leading bunch for much of the race, but now running off 9 lbs less, he missed all of last season and only returned to action in January this year. Better ground will suit him which he should get here and had a spin around Cheltenham a couple of weeks back to put him spot on for this. If he retains his love for Aintree, could get competitive and will be up front for most of the race. Possibly ridden by top jockey Barry Geraghty and that, plus the horses name, will attract plenty of silly money.

BIG SHU – Passes a whole bunch of statistical trends and could be a player if taking to Aintree. Should enjoy the likely fast ground and, like Balthazar King, is better known for his exploits on cross country courses both in Britain and his native Ireland, but is one of the more interesting outsiders.

CHANCE DU ROY – Won the Becher Chase over these fences in November after which he was given a gentle time of things to get him spot on for today. Tends to get behind in his races before staying on late and may find it all happening a bit quick for him on unsuitably fast ground.

THE RAINBOW HUNTER – Passed the post first last year- unfortunately without his jockey who he left behind at the Canal Turn on the first circuit. Since then he has had a breathing operation which has transformed him, winning the Great Yorkshire Chase (which is a significant trial race for the National). Loves a battle and provided unseating his rider here last year hasn’t left mental scars rates a lively outsider.

HAWKES POINT – Has stamina in abundance and a second in terrible ground in the Welsh National in December indicates a good attitude when it comes to a scrap. May need it to rain in bucketloads for him to figure here though.

VINTAGE STAR – Represents last year’s winning stable and has become a very likeable chaser this season, who, barring a fall at Cheltenham last time out, has run with credit in all his races. Was out on his feet over 3m 5f in the Welsh National, so stamina may be an issue but that race was a real slog in bad ground. The likely better ground at Aintree should help him get home if he takes to the National experience.

ALVARADO – Won a big 3m 3.5f handicap chase at Cheltenham last autumn, being delivered very late. Those are his tactics so it will be a balls-of-steel ride for his jockey (and a similar experience for his backers) but if he’s close enough coming around the Elbow on the big run in from the last fence, then you’ll be in with a real chance. In the same ownership as Cappa Bleu and State of Play who had 7 Grand National ‘places’ between them, so they know the time of day when it comes to this race. Acts on any ground and is another interesting outsider, if he gets into the race off his low weight (10-02).

MOUNTAINOUS – Winner of the Welsh National at Christmas and stays longer than the mother-in-law but may want testing conditions, which he’s unlikely to get at Aintree in the spring.

WYCK HILL –  Does have plenty in his favour. He’s a very close match on profiles, and he’s at the right end of the weights. He jumps well and stays well – he won two starts back in the four mile one furlong Eider Chase, on heavy ground – and he has a bit of class. 40/1 with five places and non-runner no bet is a tempting proposition. That way, you get your money back if he fails to get into the final forty runners.

ALFIE SHERRIN – Along with Burton Port, represents the second prong of Jonjo O’Neils assault on the National. Is a thorough stayer but has had only two runs this season and as a result may not have done enough to get into the race and needs plenty to drop out at the time of writing, the weekend before the big race. If he does make the line-up, he’ll have a feather weight and be a lively outsider on the likely good ground.

LION NA BERNAI – May be a 12 year old but if he gets into a nice rhythm out in front this former Irish Grand National winner can lead them a merry dance for a long way. Goes very well with Andrew Thornton in the plate and  but you get the feeling his best years may be behind him now.

MR MOONSHINE – Represents the Sue Smith stable that won this last year with Auroras Encore, but pulled up last year off 10lbs lower. Probably outclassed to - he now has a record in £20k+ races of 57634062P06 compared to his record of 216321611023042 (all his career wins) in races worth less than £20k to the winner.

THE PACKAGE – Was the subject of something of a gamble last week, with his price dropping from 50/1 down to 33’s with several firms. This is probably due to his stable who have won this race with Minnehoma and Comply Or Die and are known to back their horses if they think they’re in with a chance. Has had injuries and unseated his rider on his previous run in the National, but plenty of encouragement in his latest comeback when 3rd in a big handicap chase at the Cheltenham Festival – but will this brittle animal have left his (National) race there?

BATTLE GROUP – Won twice in three days at the Aintree National meeting last year, but that was over the small Mildmay Fences and has turned into something of a rogue since, pulling up twice, sandwiching a refusal to race. The Scouse air may revitalize him but that’s something of a leap of faith and if you do want to back him, try finding a bookie who will let you bet ‘in running’ – at least you’ll know he’s jumped off at the start before laying out your hard-earned. His owners love a punt and are big-hitters, so watch for any market confidence for this one on the day.

WALKON – Done little to suggest that 4 miles-plus around here is what he needs. His best ever finish in a chase over 3 miles or more, was a far distant fourth at Newbury last time out. Readily passed over.

ACROSS THE BAY – Gave a decent account of himself for a long way in this race last year, until fading into fourteenth and won’t be winning unless the ground comes up soft or heavy.

SOLL – Like Across The Bay went well for a long way last year, tiring from Valentines Brook on the second circuit to finish seventh. Another who will stay forever if it comes up soft.

NIGHT IN MILAN – Unlikely to get into the race and has the Topham Chase here on Friday as an alternative. Rates a lively outsider if he does make the line up in the National, the forcing tactics employed last time, plus the first-time blinkers working the oracle over 3m2f at Doncaster. He’ll probably find a few too good even so, but was the subject of a gamble this last weekend from 50/1 down to 33’s generally, so someone thinks they know something.

LAST TIME D’ALBAIN – If (big ‘if’) he runs here, this one is the biggest plot since Guy Fawkes got a tad angry with James I! Placed in the Topham over these fences and has never fallen and won or placed in 7 of his 12 chases. Has 10st2lbs and though he just misses out on a few key trends – specifically the one about winning over 3m-plus (he has placed over that trip), at 66/1 you can afford a few quid to find out if he’s good enough. May go for the Topham again this year on Friday, but if he doesn’t and heads for the National, take the hint!

VESPER BELL – Has always looked a National horse in the making but got no further than the first in the Becher Chase over these fences last November and subsequent runs have left the impression that that fall left an impression.

RAZ DE MAREE – Useful chaser who wants it soft. Trainer Dessie Hughes has won the Becher Chase over these fences so knows what it takes to ready one for Aintree. Breeding is all stamina and could surprise a few and outrun his (big) odds if he gets into the race off 10-03.

OUR FATHER – Probably doesn’t handle heavy ground so his fifth at Haydock last time in the Grand National Trial, where his stamina appeared to give out, can be forgiven. His lack of any kind of form at this level (P750 compared to 1214122 at Class 2 level or less) cannot and he is probably best caught fresh after a longer break than the 23 days he’s getting here.

THERES NO PANIC – Capable of winning races off this kind of weight as he showed over 3m 5f at Sandown. Comes alive at this time of year and on good ground but may prefer a smaller field (12 runners or less) and probably won’t get into the race. Trained by Paul Nicholls who won this with Neptune Collonges a couple of years ago.

ROSE OF THE MOON – Will stay all day but is an ‘iffy’ jumper and didn’t really take to these fences when 10th and uncompetitive in the Becher Chase last November.

QUITO DE LA ROQUE – A shadow of the horse that won Grade One chase over 3 miles as a novice in 2011. May well bowl along at the head of affairs for much of the race but has stamina and now, unfortunately, class questions to answer at this level.

GOONYELLA – The kid of the race, at 7 years old, but no weight, proven stayer sound jumper – ticks plenty of boxes! Ran well over hurdles, finishing runner up to one who went on to win a decent race at Cheltenham so comes here in good heart, if somewhat lacking in experience for this kind of race and probably better on heavy ground. One to keep an eye on for the 2016 National!

WAYWARD PRINCE – Has never won a chase in a field bigger than eight runners and though he goes well at Aintree, his claustrophobic tendencies will surely count against him in the rough and tumble of the National.

ONE IN A MILAN – Stamina in abundance having finished in the places in both the Midlands and Welsh Nationals, but both of those were on heavy ground and you have to think he needs the heavens to open to figure here.

BUCKERS BRIDGE – The prices for both races suggest he is going for the Topham Chase here on Friday. Never won or placed beyond 2.5 miles, never won a chase with more than eight runners. Like a French Kiss at a wedding, just wrong on so many levels.

GOLAN WAY – Has suffered a number of injury setbacks meaning he has fewer miles on the clock than many 10 year olds and it’s not unheard of for horses to ‘come back’ after layoffs to do well here. Acts on any going and expect to see a bold bid from the front if he lines up however has refused to race in the past, so maybe a bet in running, once you know he’s jumped off, if you do fancy him.

HUNT BALL – Major doubts about his stamina for this race and carrying 11-07 and trained by Nicky Henderson who has such a poor record in this race. Not for me.

TWIRLING MAGNET – Backed this for a big handicap race at Cheltenham last time out, where it unseated its rider when out of contention two fences from home. Yeah, laugh it up why don’t you? Acts on good fast ground and needs to be kidded along into the race so the jockey booking will be interesting if he lines up, but will win races over 3 miles plus when the sun is out, off this kind of weight.

KRUZHLININ – Never won or placed over 3 miles or further and prefers racing at Kelso, so is easily passed over despite being trained by Donald McCain (son of Ginger McCain who trained Red Rum and Amberleigh House to win 4 Aintree Nationals).

LOST GLORY – Pulled up before the 17th fence here last year, pulled up on his last two outings. Can you see a pattern developing here? Needs a more conventional track to enhance his impressive win-to-run ratio.

MINELLA FOR VALUE – Off or 169 days (a negative in terms of the profile of winners of this race) and with question marks about his stamina and his ability to cut it at this level after a string of successes in Ireland on firm ground last summer sent his handicap mark soaring. A relative kiddy at eight year of age for this race too and probably won’t get into the line-up.

BAILE ANRAI – Perhaps just lacks the jumping ability when the pressure is on at this very high level, but will enjoy the likely good ground if he does make the cut for the race. He needs a good few to come out to do so though, so back ‘no runner, no bet’ if you do fancy a speculative tilt.

TRANQUIL SEA – Won some fine races in his youth but not the force he was and another for whom it’s touch and go if he makes the cut. Stays well these days but even after his win on his penultimate outing, is on the downgrade with enough miles on the clock now.

STANDING OVATION – On an upward trajectory but possibly better right handed. Stamina doubts too about him over this trip at the speed they will go here. One to keep an eye on for future Nationals though.

STORM SURVIVOR – A thorough stayer at home on decent ground but paradoxically, too high in the handicap to be a threat and too low to actually get into the race, probably.

COURT BY SURPRISE – Does stay but either idles or tires when hitting the front. Had a tough race at Doncaster in early March, which is not the ideal prep but is lightly raced for a 9 year old so there could be more to come under the care of his decent trainer Emma Lavelle. Expect him to be played late if he gets a run.

VICTRIX GALE – A mare, who stays well, especially on good ground and will plod around in her own time if getting a run.

OUT NOW – An Irish National 2nd in 2012 and would have been a prime contender for this last year, but for suffering an injury which kept him off the track for a year, coming back last December. However his four runs since them have been very uninspiring at is a leap of faith to hope Aintree rekindles his interest.

ANY CURRENCY – Seems more at home in cross country races these days, but he still hasn’t won since October 2012 despite a few near misses. Had a hard race when 2nd in the Cross Country race at Cheltenham a couple of weeks ago and unlikely to make the cut here.

SAINT ARE – Trading at 100/1 in places as I write and if there is to be a shock winner, then then this could be the one. On the stats, he’s too young (as an eight year old) though that’s not an overwhelming negative. He pulled up last time out and his jumping can be hit and miss. However, he ran on late to claim 9th last year and won at this meeting in the previous two years, so clearly enjoys the Liverpool air. Might scrape in off bottom weight and if he does, I bet he won’t come last!

TOUR DES CHAMPS – Won’t get in the race

QUISCOVER FONTAINE – Sixteenth in this last year and after a year spent plying much of his trade in Cross-Country races, hard to see him improving on that, particularly after having run twice in March (an idiosyncratic preparation for the National if ever there was one).

SOLIX – Getting right down among the 100/1 shots now.  Highly rated in his younger days, has slid down the handicap alarmingly because his jumping isn’t very good and he hasn’t won since 2011 over fences. Throw in his figures of 4,3,16,5,4 in races over 3 miles and you don’t have a compelling case for him even finishing the race, if he makes the line up

QUINZ – Better going right handed, particularly around Kempton, but barely stays 3 miles and has really failed to fire this season.

GULLIBLE GORDON – Peter Bowen is a trainer worth following at Aintree, and usually comes away with a winner or a few placed horses at the Aintree Festival meeting. Enjoys these fences in the main but is probably outclassed on all known form

MERLINS WISH – Won’t get into the final 40.

SIR DU BEAM – Another Peter Bowen inmate and has to be respected on that basis alone, but almost certainly will not make the line up

SERGEANT PINK – Will definitely not make the final 40 runners
Report sageform April 1, 2014 9:21 PM BST
If anyone had suggested that Teaforthree could give weight and a beating to Long Run or Tidal Bay a year ago they would have been laughed at and I can't see how he can unless the other two under perform over the national fences. Long Run has declined significantly but he missed Cheltenham and is still the class horse in the race.
Report Bindaree April 1, 2014 10:22 PM BST
Teaforthree doesn't have to give weight to Tidal Bay or Long Run lol
Report big edd April 1, 2014 10:34 PM BST
Prince de beauchence likely mount of ruby?? Don't think he's goin to be there somehow!!
Report jasey April 1, 2014 11:29 PM BST
Read the whole thread
Report The RealDeal April 2, 2014 6:47 AM BST
Thanks for posting it Rog, there's a bit of time been spent there.
Report sageform April 2, 2014 9:26 AM BST
Apologies and thanks Bindaree. Senior moment. I was looking at the betting order when I thought I was looking at the racecard order. I still don't see Teaforthree within a stone of the other 2 on a park course.
Report Alkeyhole April 2, 2014 9:54 AM BST
Not seen it mentioned much but Tidal Bay already had a go at this in 2011 & showed no sign of enjoying it before UR at the 11th.

Too old, too much weight & much too short a price.
Report sageform April 2, 2014 12:34 PM BST
I don't think that Tidal Bay will enjoy it this time either but he is a horse that can never be written off. I am a Rocky Creek fan and he like Long Run has been trained for the race.
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