Ch 2012. Hurricane Fly & Long Run 8/1 double

not for me anyhow!

I guess Hurricane Fly's setback has made my decision for me. Hope he's back soon.

if they both turn up they could be both odds on shots.  i would be happy to take that price now(not for a big sum though)

i very much doubt long run will be odds on. i think hed have to win all his races impressively for that to happen

he probably will.  he has been outstanding already with an amateur onboard, although the horse is very intelligent and has been schooled by the best.

Newmanix - that's a big "if" for HF. He's missed two out of three Festivals in his career to date and he's already had some unspecified setback this season. Given an antepost bet is a double on the horse turning up and it winning, current proces look very short.

Agree to be cautious. Honestly, half of the attraction for getting stuck in came from gagging on the mid-week cards and wishing for something better. Lets sit out this week-end and maybe get stuck in just before Christmas. Good luck, all.

massive "if" now.

Let's get one thing straight Here. Hurricane Fly missed the cChapion Hurdle because he had a splint not because he's some sort of softy who cathces everything going.

The chances of him missing Cheltenham must be very slim indeed. Just because they decided to wait a month before brining him out means nothing. WM was never going to run him as often this year as he did last now he knows he is Champion Hurdle material.

However he's got some new faces to take on at Cheltenham and no doubt one of them will emegrs as a huge danger in the new year.

A double with Long Run wouldn't be my odea of a good bet. We've already seen evidence that Kauto Star was all wrong last season and Denman is surely booked only for places in Grade 1's these days.

Long Run IMO will struggle at Kempton let alone Cheltenham. Captain Chris is a good deal better than last years 2nd and if Kauto has got over the Betfair Chase then Long Run has 8 lengths to find.

Long Run was ready before the race according to SW-C but after it he wasn't Sure he should improve for the race but 8 lengths against the best chaser to grace ar acecourse since Arkle on his fav racecurse is a huge ask.

You can toss the rating out the window on this one, he may beat kauto but it won't be likelast year and if he makes one semblace of a mistake he won't see the way Kauto went.

HF? maybe. Long Run? In your dreams

kauto star...gold cup...at 12? next to no chance!

^My head says you're right. My heart says maybe.

But wouldn't it be wonderful.....

it would but when was the last horse to win at 12? wasnt today or yesterday!

What a Myth in 1969 then Silver Frame in 1951. Last 11 yos were Mandarin and Cottage Rake.

Rondetto so Denman is only booked for places and only beat Kauto Star last year because Kauto was all wrong?? So i suppose Kauto was all wrong the other 2 times Denman finished ahead of him in the Gold Cup??

Perhaps Denman is a better horse over 3m 2 1/2f at Cheltenham?? Kauto Star travelled really well last year where as Denman didn't travel with great fluency but still stayed on the better for 2nd place.

I had a decent bet on Kauto Star in the Betfair Chase but he was trained for that race and Paul Nicholls said he has never had him so fit at this stage of the season. Last season Long Run improved hugely from his run in the Paddy Power to his run in the King George, if doing so again he will be tough to beat but the price reflects that.

Denman available at almost double KS for the Gold cup is MADNESS

^true.

Denman cracking e/w value given his Festival record im on 25s!