tursunov

ollie g     26 Oct 10 18:30 
Can someone please explain to me in simple terms what the f---k is happening in this match. I am just an innocent punter?

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MAFIA RUSSA is here

Course Tursunov was in on it or he wouldnt of lost the 1st set

I actually wonder what it would take for the Betfair Integrity Team to find a match suspicious enough to void.

I wonder if Turs will mention it on his blog...

Tue 26th Oct 2010... just bought myself a new Ferrari... which was nice.

Going to be harder than ever justifying this one.

The Integrity Team knows full well it's fixed.  It's not up to it to do anything about it, though.

Most probably Przysiezny not in on it

1.4 million matched.  not a ridiculous sum by any means

this is too obvious - and they choose a game that's on tv - LOL, WELL DONE..

If Turs does somehow lose this... he will be found dead by the weekend

Zazen     26 Oct 10 18:33 
I actually wonder what it would take for the Betfair Integrity Team to find a match suspicious enough to void.

a sign printed on their head saying "I am going to lose this match in 3 sets" might have a small chance of the integrity team paying some attention but even that is only 50/50.

Amount matched depends on willing layers too. Everyone is suspicious after Gabs-Volandri, Hajek-Riba etc.

I didn't watch the Volandri or Tipsy 'matches, but this one I did.

There is no f**king way BF, TIU or ATP can say the odds reflected what was happening in the game. But they will.

Zazen - If BF are in loss after the match then they might void it

Do fixed matches ever get caught out?

b win tursunov 1.11

Showmethemoniez Joined: 06 Oct 10

Zazen - If BF are in loss after the match then they might void it

Do you understand how Betfair works?

lol tsango

lollll

Przysiezny both obviously part of the fix; he needs to be guaranteed to lose.

trying to throw his racquet to the ground?= HHAHHAAHAH, should be shot and buried

Imagine Turs turning on his ankle or having some form of crippling pain, Prys would suddenly feign a heart attack or something.

fascinating, not even trying to make it look authentic, wild ue's

Any Paul the Octupuss type charms around for Tennis?

Tursonov to get dementia(not tiava!) for next 30mins will be nice!

if tursunov wasn`t involved, why did he easily lose the 1st set?
the 21st set loss was clearly another trap. the fixers were just waiting for punters to lump on przszszsniey in the the 1st set.
both players involved imho.

wow.

I dont usually bet on tennis but did on this, watching the stream and I cant believe what is going on.

How obvious are they making this? Surely betfair will withhold money here?

1.60               £5,890
1.61               £12,978
1.62               £36,873
1.63               £11,936
1.64               £4,196
1.65               £3,611
1.66               £2,726
1.67               £3,596
1.68               £6,935
1.69               £20,063
1.70         £19    £25,427
1.71               £24,820
1.72               £23,026
1.73               £16,003
1.74               £6,990
1.75               £11,317
1.76         £4    £20,714
1.77               £10,050
1.78               £24,832
1.79               £71,665
1.80               £51,521
1.81         £44    £31,373
1.82         £44    £6,955
1.83               £9,179
1.84               £1,116
1.85               £12,191
1.86         £593    £654
1.87               £2,474
1.89               £1,038
1.90         £755    £4,300
1.91               £251
1.94         £39    £95

how long then for this one to be settled by BF...

0-2 minutes - 1.04
2-4 minutes - 1.1
24 hours, pending investigation - 100
voided - 1000

ok time to concentrate elsewhere..this is not gonna happen!

DISGRACE TO ALL SPORT! [:(]

Are you all sure that this is f ixed for Turs to win?

why maffia don´t take 1.01? maybe to affect that nothing strange happends?

Rob_The_Bantam

Oh I almost forgot lol, they set the odds so they are progressively in profit?

ok so its like this

they backed przy to create a big drift to make it look like it was f ixed for pryz. they waited for the bandwagon punters to start to get involved and then they absolutely nailed turs for their losses and much much much more. pretty sophisticated strategy.

i dont touch these matches, but i'm not sure i would be winning on them if i did

Good thing for us is that those guys can´t do it right. Everybody smart enough to bet big does see what´s going on and not give action (on the wrong side that is).

raqueta1 Joined: 08 Sep 10
Replies: 145 26 Oct 10 18:45   
why maffia don´t take 1.01? maybe to affect that nothing strange happends?


They already traded out

Zazen Joined: 30 Sep 10
Replies: 27 26 Oct 10 18:42 
how long then for this one to be settled by BF...

0-2 minutes - 1.04
2-4 minutes - 1.1
24 hours, pending investigation - 100
voided - 1000

10k to option a)

this time i didn't lose but i am very sad about whose money stolen by mafia

I won't lie, I've had a cheeky tenner laying Turs

People! Here in my country there are a few men from Slovakia and they are betting when they have a fixed matches. It's a few times a month. They have "their" players on the ATP tour and one of them is Przysiezny. That guy is playing for betting mafia and I certainly know that. I am watching their bets and they never failed.

Straight fix rule: it falls to 1.4ish minimum, or as low as pinnacle let it go before pulling the market.

The fact Przy stopped at 2.25ish was a huge warning sign.

LOL @ that game

What a player this Tursunov, how it turned it around ;) umm

Both players to eat Beef Stroganoff tonight (NAP)

i hate russian people

huge russian balls to come back from a set down. well played dimi!!!!!

if you feel like congratulating him personally, you could also contact him on twitter:

http://twitter.com/tursunovtales

Is Jerry Anderson the umpire there ?

Tremendous comeback from Dmitry. What a hero.

lol

settled

http://twitter.com/tursunovtales

I wonder what tales he will come up with to explain this one.

laughable as ever.

well done betfair.....three times in a week, and the settlements are faster and faster.

TursunovTales  Dmitry Tursunov
Bit of good news - I received a WC into St. Petersburg main draw... Can I use alleys in singles as well?!

only in the first set can you use the alleys, Dimi

Tursunov vs Pashanski here(or Moscow) a couple of years ago was similar.

i think betfair has to change its name.. commissionbet.com is more suitable imo.

ATP Player F. Gil won the Match vs. D. Tursunov with 2 : 1 (4 : 6) (6 : 4) (6 : 1) Sets.

@Jaap22: Yes, this match was exactly similar to the 2007 Tursunov-Pashanski match. Back then I merely watched the odds in amazement. This time I put some money on Tursunov when I realized what was going on. No reason only the mafia should benefit from a joke match like this.

Found this article about the Tursunov match in St Petersburg 2007. Some funny quotes in there.

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/tennis/news/story?id=3085408

Online bookmaker looks into suspicious Tursunov match, finds nothing

LONDON -- An online betting exchange investigated another professional tennis match for suspicious betting patterns, but found nothing wrong.

Betfair, the same company that voided bets on a match in August for the same reason, looked into Dmitry Tursunov's win over Boris Pashanski at last week's St. Petersburg Open.

Tursunov ended up reaching the final at the tournament, but he trailed 6-4, 2-0 in the second round before advancing 4-6, 6-3, 6-4. Despite the second-set deficit, there was still money being put on Tursunov to win.

"We investigate, as a matter of course, those markets that we have potential issues with," Betfair spokesman Adrian Murdock said Monday.

Murdock said the investigation revealed that a specific bettor known to the company continued to back the Russian Tursunov. The Serb Pashanski is ranked 84th, and Tursunov is ranked 29th.

Betfair eventually settled all bets, in part because the unnamed bettor loses more than he wins.

"This guy is a net loser on tennis," Murdock said. "He's such a high volume bettor that it skewed the market a bit."

Tennis has been hounded by match-fixing rumors since August when Betfair, in an unprecedented move, voided bets on a match in Poland after fourth-ranked Nikolay Davydenko withdrew against 87th-ranked Martin Vassallo Arguello in the third set because of a foot injury. The ATP is still looking into that match.

"It's quite a different scenario to the Davydenko thing," Murdock said of the Tursunov investigation. "We're not really seeing it as a potential match-fixing problem -- if there is indeed a problem."

In response to both the Davydenko match and other players speaking out about being approached by outsiders trying to influence a match, the ATP and other tennis governing bodies have been working together to help keep the sport clean.

At the Paris Masters, which started Sunday, local officials are looking out for anything strange.

"You have to be very attentive and very severe," French tennis federation president Christian Bimes said. "I hope there is the same severity shown as for doping."

FFT director general Jean-Francois Vilotte said the police could be called if there is a questionable match.

"The only ones capable of putting together a certain amount of investigative measures that the FFT is unable to do," Vilotte said.

French tennis player Arnaud Clement said Monday that he had refused money in the past to lose a match, but did not mention how or where this happened.

"It has happened to me, I won't say where or under what circumstances," Clement said Monday after his 6-4, 6-3 loss to Mikhail Youzhny of Russia in the first round of the Paris Masters.

"There was not a fraction of a second's hesitation [to refuse the proposal]."

He fears revealing more about the offer could lead to reprisals against him.

"That's maybe why I don't want to say too much about it," Clement said. "And it's for that reason that I won't mention either the place, or how it happened."

Clement thinks lower-ranked players struggling to make an impact may be under more pressure to accept such offers.

"The problem is for a player slightly lower in classification [ranking] or in a certain amount of financial difficulty," Clement said. "Even if he refuses, this can play on his mind during the match. It can upset him. That's not the case for me. To accept something like that is to betray the sport."


Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press

http://twitter.com/#!/TursunovTales

See what he is blaming.

Tursunov ended up reaching the final at the tournament, but he trailed 6-4, 2-0 in the second round before advancing 4-6, 6-3, 6-4. Despite the second-set deficit, there was still money being put on Tursunov to win.

Lazy reporting again, this doesn't describe the problem well at all.

I sent a tweet but he didn't reply to it.

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/2568/turs1.jpg

@Poolio: Lazy indeed. Journalists from mainstream sports media very rarely seem to understand how a betting exchange works.

nice one petr

Yes Kenneth on twitter last week I was trying to explain why Tipsarevic was dodgy to a reporter but he admitted betting was another world to him. This is part of the problem, reporters aren't going to run stories, only us who bet notice these fixes.

Petr, that was your first tweet, you joined just to send Tursunov a message!?

I think I joined a while ago but never used it!

Poolio, I know that The Sun was very close to running the Wozniacki retirement story from Luxembourg previously, but they did not have the footage to corroborate the story.

I rarely use it too, I sent Janko a message last week though :-)

S or A, that Woz match was one of the few dodgy ones I missed at the time, heard about it since though and it seems one of the most blatant ever!

I might start winding a few of them up and see if anyone bites.

the woz one was the only blatant fix ever that was entirely be accident.
it was well reported her coach told her to retire one game before winning because she wasn't able to play the next round due to injury anyway, and her opponent was a home crowd favourite. stupid mistake was he told her 6 games in advance in polish live on tv and people watching tv caught it.
no wrongdoing from woz herself. she was heavily fined by the wta as well.

petr, just send them a message saying 'we're onto you', from many different accounts to scare them into playing honestly :)

ffs, there was nothing dodgy about that Woz match. It was wrong of her and she should have known better, but it had absolutely nothing to do with betting.

I don't think the argument that Wozniacki was not to blame is correct. Surely a player of her ranking is not stupid enough to be ignorant of the fact that people had bet on her to win.

for someone who has probably never placed a bet in her life, i don't think it's so weird that something like that doesn't cross her mind in the heat of the moment

bjvv Joined: 30 Dec 04
Replies: 40 26 Oct 10 21:05 
for someone who has probably never placed a bet in her life, i don't think it's so weird that something like that doesn't cross her mind in the heat of the moment

True. and even if it did why should she continue the match to help the backers and not do what she done to help the layers? She doesn't give a to55 about people who bet on her and rightly so.

pmsl at S and A

Turs has responded to Rev All Green's message about fixing

http://twitter.com/TursunovTales

So your argument is that top tennis players are not aware that people bet on them? I shall point that out to you the next time you claim a match is f1xed.

Funny how social networking has bought these whole affairs a lot more closer, to have an actual response for us all to see is pretty amusing. Like how he was just in commu with Tipsa as well, nice mental pillow.

funny thing is that everyone is acussing tursunov now

what if its even not his fault? what if the other guy is dirty?

just because he is russian probably

****adoodledoo, what's he doing replying to the rev's posts?

surely you just ignore it, unless you've got a horrifically guily conscience...

i think its the opposite this time. He replied it sarcastically cause he may be sick of these accusations.

You still need to consider that he is well known, has had and still does have plenty of fans and supporters worldwide. He needs to think about his reputation too.

I doubt Tursunov had much to do with this today.

He chucked the first set, would suggest he had alot to do with it

of course he was involved. pryz is now way good enough to be guaranteed to take the first without assistance.

*no way

Did Turs drift pre-match to 1.8 or was it during the first set when he went a break down?

He drifted to 1.7-8 prematch, went to a high of about 1.9 a break down.

He was definitely 1.9 pre match.

Ah, I had a 10 minute lapse there, didnt realise he hit the 1.9 pre.

You are allowed those Kaiser...I normally have a few myself

Lol that Tusunov has responded. It's good though that some of these guys can be messaged on Twitter, I would presume that they look at messages addressed to them so even if it lets people know that some people know they're dodgy and makes them feel even a little bit bad then that's a good thing (even though I doubt those who fix a tennis match have much of a conscience).

Interestingly he doesn't deny Rev All Green's allegation! He just says 'I don't know. You tell me' regarding the amount he made from the match.....I guess he was pressured to do what he did and doesn't argue with these guys, he just gets what he's given [;)]

He hasn't posted on Twitter for over 12 hours

i remember pashanski-turs 2007 well. it was the same storyline and both have been involved. just like in this case.

how does this twitter-thing work. can i see the messages sent to him as well or just the crap he is writing himself?

Click on Rev on turs's wall and you get to see what he was replying to.

As DStyle said, amazed he replied, loving the fact he did though, deffo guilty conscience.

twitters with tipsarefix about tennisballs. seem to be friends.

What I don't get is this: (to put up an example): How come Betfair investigate the 2007 St. Petersburg Tursunov-Pashanski mathc and then 'let' go of the 'known bettor' because he has a net-'loss' on Betfair tennis. This hardly means that he is not involved. I too... sometimes have net-losses on betfair on a match where I have arbed. Don't tell me the 'russian' (if we say he is such) doesn't not have account(s) with other (lets call them Asian) betting companies where he probably makes more than the 'net'-loss which he (at that time) had at Betfair...

I don't get how come matches which are 'obvious' fixes - doesn't get more exposure in media's than we see...

Is it really a coincedence that the 'the same people are "involved" in mathces with drastical odds changes which goes against all reason... time after time'?

None of the Asian books take serious stakes on tennis. It's betfair and pinnacle, that's it basically.

TheManWithTheGoldenRun Joined: 12 Apr 08
Replies: 42 27 Oct 10 17:13 
What I don't get is this: (to put up an example): How come Betfair investigate the 2007 St. Petersburg Tursunov-Pashanski mathc and then 'let' go of the 'known bettor' because he has a net-'loss' on Betfair tennis. This hardly means that he is not involved. I too... sometimes have net-losses on betfair on a match where I have arbed. Don't tell me the 'russian' (if we say he is such) doesn't not have account(s) with other (lets call them Asian) betting companies where he probably makes more than the 'net'-loss which he (at that time) had at Betfair...

I was thinking the same thing. But apparently Betfair don't think like that.