25% chance of 'no deal' Brexit

Barnier just said " we are moving towards uk position on backstop" !

No market move yet

yajyaj must be ramping
news,comments from barnnier press conference is Barclay should save the airfare about tonights meeting

, maybe i misheard, or is it wishful thinking, I was starting to doubt when I couldnt find it on twitter as thats where sky gets all its news from

slight move on "will happen in march", sorry fella

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Feb 11, 2019 -- 1:54PM, yajyaj wrote:

Barnier just said " we are moving towards uk position on backstop" !

Wouldn't take anything that comes out of next few weeks literally.

There has to be some airbrushing whatever May comes back with as you aren't allowed to actually try to pass the same vote you already lost, it has to be different, so expect "clever" changing of words rather than actual change.

barnnier states there,ll no more negotiating on the withdrawl bill and the 2 negativesides in the commons need to look at labours proposals
still think their coming round yajyaj

the Italian government say they have lobbied the president of the European Parliament as no deal would be a disaster for them but was told that Juncker is totally in command and the Parliament are not consulted. The Italian politician also said "why do they want to punish their best customer" (the UK). He also said they would try to get a bilateral agreement with UK. They export twice as much to us as we do to them.

, I had already seen that, but at approx 1.55pm the guy on sky said what I posted AND it was on the bottom of the screen # or was it ?

The EU will not give way before March 29 but the individual countries worst affected by no deal will be looking for "deals" pretty soon after and I can't imagine they will obey Juncker for long. He is the emperor with no clothes.

Italy are a basket case anyway with no time for the eu presently so a no deal that would damage the EU IN THEIR OPINON ,would be good news long term wouldn't it

Italy will be bankrupt in a year or two anyway because the Euro is ruining their economy. Brexit will just bring it closer.

to get labour mp,s onside may has offered legal certainty over environmental rtegs and workers rights to at least mirror eu rights in the future,does that mean she and the brexiteers are admitting that without labours support,they will be a decline in those workers,enviromental rights

They can easily overturn any agreement struck with Labour after we're out.
I mean when were Labour ever as good as their word?

that's why labour wont play ball they don't trust may,brexiteers or a vague aspirational document that can mean anything or nothing to anyone and everyone,its the whole point brexiteers promised a deep meaningful outlook of the future relationship,and we,ve got nothing

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Labour would have to be mugs to take anything she's offered so far. Her offer to Labour atm is basically vote for me now and you'll get a say further down the line, but otherwise I'm not going to listen to any of your suggestions. You'd have to be a mug to even trust her for this let and out do it. Plus why would Labour vote for anything May wants, that would help the Conservative party, by voting against it brings the Conservative party closer to tearing apart, thus good for the Labour party. Thus unless May buckles to them (and therefore is facilitating a Labour Brexit) they should just send her on her bike.

And Mrs May would be naïve to believe anything that the Labour party says.

Yes, but she kinda needs them, as she isn't passing anything without them.

blackmail is an ugly word , what reprehensible creatures remainers are

Labour are still clinging to the hope of an election before March 29.

It's too late for that but imo it can't be ruled out completely later in the year.

I'm amazed the odds on this haven't gone back to where they were a few weeks ago. No deal seems as unlikely as ever given recent news and what is likely coming up in a series of votes I'd expect May to now lose. Don't really know what's keeping it down.

Sometimes a bit of pain is a good way to focus people.
I don't think Brits realise how lucky they are compared to other nations.
Reality checks and a reset might be just the kick up the arris that folks need.
So what if jobs are lost and even if there is rationing, it's hardly the end of the world.
They should get off their arses and train for another job rather than whining, it's pathetic really.
Living overseas for over 10 years and since the referendum it's cost me 20/25% of my monthly transfers, but I still think it's the correct decision.

Feb 12, 2019 -- 1:05PM, lfc1971 wrote:

blackmail is an ugly word , what reprehensible creatures remainers are

Read that fcuking gob**** Terry Christian's twitter page. Full of scumbag remainers with outlandish views

Feb 14, 2019 -- 4:35AM, jucel69 wrote:

Feb 12, 2019 --  1:05PM, lfc1971 wrote:blackmail is an ugly word , what reprehensible creatures remainers areRead that fcuking gob**** Terry Christian's twitter page. Full of scumbag remainers with outlandish views

He's cheering on employers sacking people who voted for Brexit, prick

Losers hate democracy.

Jucel hasn't lived in country for 10years but thinksd it would be ok for people to live on ratins and lose their jobs,another rightwinger with an ideologiocal agenda,living in the past would and will never happen..

Nothing right wing about wanting trade and immigration policies that treat people equally regardless of skin colour and where they were born.

Where do people get the idea that Brexit is right wing?

Two types of brexiteers those working class that voted mainly on immigration like my mum,have no other ideas of what brexit entails, then the rightwingers that will do anything affluent, houses paid for plenty of capital unaffected by whatever happens age 50+...
They are the ones like jucel who would couldn't care and let people suffer regardless and anything goes,rations,jobs etc right wing ideologies, also reflected on these forums 90% of the posters with same points of views on everything..

Rations and Jobs???

On what basis will there be ration books?

We have more employment than ever yet everyone says just a vote for Brexit will cause mass unemployment.

Remainer types suggest areas will be understaffed because of Brexit.. farming, NHS, hospitality etc etc and yet others scream there will be job losses. Make up your minds.

Well strictly it could be argued...

farming- not exporting so no need for extra staff
NHS- no health tourists so no need for extra staff
hospitality- no need for extra staff as businesses will cut down on this type of spending

quality sealioning

Its just strange that people are complaining they will not be able to get staff and they are also worried there will not be enough jobs.

Frankly, the fear of the unknown is the worst part.

whilst all brexiteers are having end of freedom of movement parties this valentines day,migration watch  estimate under the tories immigration bill 700,000 a year will be flooding in, so the loons don't want 300,000 coming in because its not under our controil but are perfectly ok with us controlling 700,000 coming in 580,000 of them from outside the EU,IF as people tell us immigration,freedom of movement was number 1 reason for Brexit,we,ll be having a reff to rejoin once we leave,after all some people who voted leave actually believed some migrants would be sent home the week after Brexit ,there going to love 700,000 coming in, 3 times as many from sub continent than Europeans,
BRING BACK CONTROL

,migration watch  estimate under the tories immigration bill 700,000 a year will be flooding in

Have you got a link to this? Cannot find reference to 700,000 a year anywhere.

yesterday,.s mail

Farming not exporting! What planet are you on. We import as well but we also export a lot and would like to export more if we are allowed to do so. I still maintain that what ever short term problems ensue from Brexit, it will quickly be sorted between buyers and sellers who will find a way. Our fishing industry also exports a large proportion of its catch. The biggest problem for farming and fishing is staff. They need to lobby hard for an exemption from the £30k limit for immigrants. Very few British youths are willing to get wet never mind dirty. Horse trainers are in the same dilemma.

Feb 15, 2019 -- 8:24AM, sageform wrote:

Farming not exporting! What planet are you on. We import as well but we also export a lot and would like to export more if we are allowed to do so. I still maintain that what ever short term problems ensue from Brexit, it will quickly be sorted between buyers and sellers who will find a way. Our fishing industry also exports a large proportion of its catch. The biggest problem for farming and fishing is staff. They need to lobby hard for an exemption from the £30k limit for immigrants. Very few British youths are willing to get wet never mind dirty. Horse trainers are in the same dilemma.

Money and business find a way.
It's these 'academic' liberal fools who have never made a penny in their lives who are completely obtuse about real life trade

sageform
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Farming not exporting! What planet are you on. We import as well but we also export a lot and would like to export more if we are allowed to do so. I still maintain that what ever short term problems ensue from Brexit, it will quickly be sorted between buyers and sellers who will find a way. Our fishing industry also exports a large proportion of its catch. The biggest problem for farming and fishing is staff. They need to lobby hard for an exemption from the £30k limit for immigrants. Very few British youths are willing to get wet never mind dirty. Horse trainers are in the same dilemma.


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Why should the rest of society give subsidies to those businesses?

Where exactly have I mentioned subsidy. It is the EU that pays subsidies to protect their farmers(including UK) from competition. If they are not allowed to use foreign labour a lot of crops will be rotting in the fields.

Farmers could always pay a living wage to British staff.

As I have said, try persuading any young British person to get up at 6 or 7 am and get wet and dirty even for a much higher salary than the industry could afford to pay. I heard a fruit farmer recently asked that question and he said most of the Brits he has employed lasted until lunch time on day 1. It is a sad commentary on the economies of Spain and Eastern Europe that their citizens are prepared to do it but they are. Agricultural wages are determined by the Wages Board and are well above minimum wage. A good stockman would be offered around £35k plus bonus and overtime.

Well if I was fortunate enough as a young person to have my choice of jobs, I would rather pick fruit than serve in a burger cafe or on a supermarket checkout.

Don’t believe a word farmers say , they will have to adapt like everyone else

Now if our local farmers can’t compete against foreign competition and without using British workers that’s too bad
They can go bust

I sold out 19 years ago so have no financial interest these days. But I do know a bit about the state of farming compared to what it used to be when I admit it was quite profitable-only until around 1995. I would prefer to believe a farmer than someone who has never ventured outside the M25 as is true of most politicians.

Fine, if farmers go bust most of our countryside will return to scrubland and in 70 years to woodland and there won't be any footpaths to enjoy. Many farmers these days are hobby farmers who have enough income from other businesses and enjoy the privacy of a farmhouse so they will carry on if they can find staff. When we sold, four separate people bought the land and all were multi millionaires.

If a farm is in Britain I expect it to employ British staff, not someone from Poland or Romania or Greece or anywhere else in the world
I don’t care if the farmer claims this is not possible

You expect it do you. Do you also expect horse trainers to only employ British staff? You speak as if you are the Tsar of all the Russias.

I’m not particularly interested in horse trainers either , as long as they employ British staff

A lot of money in racing  , no ?

companies need to  invest more in the modern machinery available,
saw a waste disposal business on tv few weeks back unbelievable in 2020 theynhad dozens of people either side of a conveyor belt picking unsuitable items out, besides been totally unreliable must be terribly time consuming

In Britain we have some of the best agriculture land in the world , we have a large home market
That’s all we need

Feb 15, 2019 -- 4:18PM, lfc1971 wrote:

Now if our local farmers can’t compete against foreign competition and without using British workers that’s too bad They can go bust

So your solution for British business is them all going bust as none of them in competitive markets will be able to compete with foreign competition.

that’s correct

If we need our own farmers that’s fine , if we don’t that’s fine also

that's also the rights new hero JRM,S view

Feb 15, 2019 -- 4:52PM, lfc1971 wrote:

In Britain we have some of the best agriculture land in the world , we have a large home market That’s all we need

True, we also have some of the best fishing waters, grow potatoes and oil seed. We can happily live on fish and chips for the foreseeable future,

Well said esox , although hopefully fish and chips won’t quite so expensive as now

argentian fish lfc?

jollyswagman do you know during the Falklands war and indeed WW2 ,  not a single british person or soldier starved to death

i didnt know that lfc, is that a real fact or is it something that isnt strictly true but is true nevertheless?

ps i dont think brexit will cause us to starve to death.

That’s good indeed and I don’t think about that  because this is England and not some other country , like Russia or China or even Argentina that doesn’t have fish
We don’t have to think about things like that in England so I don’t
God goes with thoughtless people like us

I suspect that a few British soldiers starved in Japanese prison camps.

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jollyswagman do you know during the Falklands war and indeed WW2 ,  not a single british person or soldier starved to death

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3 million British subjects starved to death during WW2.

You are wasting your time even reading the drivel that lfc posts, both of him. Simply block him, best thing I ever did on here.

Blocked him a while back. Blood pressure down ten points. Amazing what cutting drivel out of your diet can do.

I am sure we are not the only ones!

3 million British subjects starved to death during WW2..... sorry Trader I'm gonna need a source for this ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_famine_of_1943

Feb 15, 2019 -- 5:21PM, lfc1971 wrote:

If we need our own farmers that’s fine , if we don’t that’s fine also

There is no greater manifestation of the wealth divide in the UK than who owns land and who doesn’t: 70% of land in the UK is owned by fewer than 6,000 people. Yet these people are not paying tax on the land they own, they are receiving subsidies for it instead. Landowners are being paid by the EU to own land.
In the EU budget, 40% goes to agricultural policy. This has created vast amounts of waste. It has propped up inefficient businesses that have failed to modernise. It has re-enforced monopolies which should be broken up.
Worst of all, it has meant that African farmers have been unable to compete, depriving millions of a livelihood (not to mention cheaper food for the rest of us).
More and more voices are rising against land concentration across the EU, especially in eastern Europe. A phenomenon called “farmland grabbing” is extensively described in a report of the Transnational Institute.

Cheers Trader

Feb 16, 2019 -- 7:12PM, InsiderTrader wrote:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_famine_of_1943

He did say British soldiers/people not subjects, they were all Indian who died in the famine
Obviously POW's starved but his point is valid in broad terms

Feb 16, 2019 -- 12:29PM, InsiderTrader wrote:

lfc197115 Feb 19 17:42Joined: 06 Nov 11| Topic/replies: 31,397 | Blogger: lfc1971's blogjollyswagman do you know during the Falklands war and indeed WW2 ,  not a single british person or soldier starved to death^3 million British subjects starved to death during WW2.

wrong! 86% of the deaths in the famine were down to malaria, cholera & other diseases

Yes juce, I wouldn't normally bother asking but as it was Trader I knew there would be some truth in it and wanted to understand the detail

Looks like Trump is going to help old Blighty out by pumping tariffs on EU cars to 25% from 2/3!!
That will throw Germany into recession
Should get Frau Merkel's back passage tweaking a bit (what a horrible thought) and force her to have a few words with the fanatics

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