QUIZ on ROYAL ASCOT - Tonight 17/6/2013 at 9.30 pm

Clue was too easy

1980 3yo (Derby)
1981 4yo (Triumph)

So I'd guess were looking at 1983 or 1984 Mackerson winner.

Answers were

Henbit 1980 Derby winner
Baron Blakeney 1981 Triumph
Pounentes 1983 Mackeson

I have a memory of Baron Blakeney winning an early season 12f race at Leicester as a 3yo, carrying 9-7. is that anywhere near right? or wrong horse?

I know Baron Blakeney won on the flat but I can't remember him doing anything before the Triumph...can't help you Ged but I'd assume you're right.

Five minutes, all guesses welcome for this toughie

Q18) Fill in the names of EVERY missing jockey from the following 1982 race

Concorde Hero           H.Cecil                L
Horage                    M.McCormack        Pat    Eddery
Kafu                    G.Harwood        G
Landseer            D.Sasse                D
Orange Squash            R.Smyth                P
Sidab                    W.Musson        B
Stay Sharp            P.Kelleway        S
Telephone Numbers    H.Price                B

That didn't post too well, apologies

last one B Taylor.

Starkey for Harwood.

Is it Waldron for Ron Smyth?

Your memory is correct - ged.

Baron Blakeney - trained by Bill Marshall - won First time out as a 3-yr-old , in the Kibworth Stakes, at Leicester, on March 24th -

11/8 Fav, ridden by Lester - Managed only a 2nd and a 3rd in 9 further outings.

CL - I've only just seen this thread and even though I'd have got the question right about Kris' rival being odds-on (Young Generation) I find it hard to believe!

Were they level weights? I think it was only a group two in 1979.

1. must be Piggott

rouse for musson and cauthen for kelleway

In no particular order ...

Piggott
Starkey
Waldron
Rouse
Taylor

remember seeing horage win first time out at ayr - when asked why he'd come such a long way for a 2yo debut, trainer said he knew he had a good horse and in scotland he could get a proper bet on

COMBINED answers - so far ....

Concorde Hero           H.Cecil                L Piggott
Horage                    M.McCormack        Pat    Eddery
Kafu                    G.Harwood        G Starkey
Landseer            D.Sasse                D
Orange Squash            R.Smyth                P Waldron
Sidab                    W.Musson        B Rouse
Stay Sharp            P.Kelleway        S Cauthen
Telephone Numbers    H.Price                B Taylor

was there a derek fox - or am i getting mixed up with richard fox

thanks onlooker - I can remember being in the bookies and being mildly impressed by his toughness - and so felt just a tiny bit miffed when he won the Triumph at such big odds

was it McKay for Sasse?

Gordon - D Fox - is a very good shout - for Duncan Sasse

I was wondering, perhaps - Denis Letherby

Times up guys, very good effort

Navel, it was Group 2 and it was off level weights

Actual riders were

Lester Piggott - correct
Greville Starkey - correct
Denis McKay - correct
Paddy Young - missed
Bruce Raymond - missed
Steve Cauthen - correct
Brian Rouse - missed

Sorry should have confirmed it was the Coventry of 1982

Can anyone remind me why Young Generation was favourite at level weights?

If memory serves, didn't Kris hold off Young Generation for the runner-up spot behind Tap On Wood?

Five minutes for this and you already know there are only 16 to choose from and some can be automatically dismissed ( you'll understand now why I didn't post the 16 names earlier...!)

Q19) Six jockeys rode a single winner for Henry Cecil at Royal Ascot, name them?

didn't he win the Lockinge impressively against older horses? He had a sharp turn of foot, and Kris only just nodded him in the Guineas.

paul eddery, nigel day, alan bond, ted durcan, a mcglone, greville starkey

Geoff Baxter rode Le Moss in the Vase.

G Dettori?

Navel-Gazer    -

There were just 5 runners for the Kris/Young Generation, St James's Palace

They went off .... 5/6 Young Generation - 11/10 Kris.

Young Generation had won both the Prix Jean Pratt and the Lockinge - since the 2000 Guineas - prior to the St James's Palace.

Just a Short-Head has separated Kris in 2nd from Young Generation, 3rd, in the 2000 Guineas.

Ged - I seem to recall Kris stuffing him in the Greenham, so whatever he did between the Guineas and Ascot shouldn't have mattered.

Thanks Onlooker - how far was the Greenham romp? About 4 lengths?

Times up, decent effort 50% identified

Harwood claimed YG wasn't ready for the Greenham, and I guess the small field, and round track, was thought to favour a horse who had gears.

Yes, Navel-Gaver - BUT

The Grenham is, obviously, run before the Guineas - and Lockinge.

Both Young Gen and Kris made their seasonal debuts in the Greenham - Kris won by 3 lengths -

Form Book Pasdock comment for Young Generation reads ... 'bit backward'.

Onlooker - so by Royal Ascot, Young Generation was having his fifth run of the season...squeezing in two wins between the Guineas & Royal Ascot!

Full answer was

Eddie Ahern on Father Time in the King Edward V11 Stakes 2009 - missed
Geoff Baxter on Le Moss in the Queens Vase 1978 - correct
Alan Bond on Catalpa in the Ribblesdale Stakes 1976 - correct
Gianfranco Dettori on Bolkonski in the St James Palace Stakes 1975 - correct
Frankie Durr on Fools Mate in the Bessborough Stakes 1975 - missed
Johnny Murtagh on Thomas Chippendale in the King Edward V11 2012 - missed

Looks like long term memory is much better than short for most...!

Ged - I can't remember hearing/reading about Harwood's comments...I was still at school then!

Always the case - Cork

Same with Football memories.

People will reel off a Full FA Cup winning team - from their early/earlier days supporting a club - BUT ...

Not remember be able to who knocked their team out in the 4th round last year!

True, too.

Nearly there guys, two left and they are my "obscure" type of question that everyone likes so much...!
Five minutes

Q20) Name Henry Cecil’s 1st,25th and 50th Royal Ascot winners?

harwood horses were regularly 'overbet' - was never a fan of starkey so tended to avoid them (and this was pre-dancing brave), the second jock (was it tony clark or someone earlier?) seemed to do well too...i did however keep backing a horse called hays because i worked at a lemonade/beer bottling plant of that name and remember backing it first time out 15p e/w and it won at 8/1 which meant about half days pay as a poor student!

Clues, the 25th was in 1982 and the 50th in 1990

FIRST winner = PARTHENON

parthenon - first pretty definite

strigida - 25th guess

shavian - 50th guess

correct onlooker

Gordon63, good guesses, 25th is only 3 out and the 50th just one...!

Gordon - Hays was a 2yo in 1981 I think...either won or ran well in the Champagne Stakes.
Did it wear the Lear Fan colours?

somewhat educated but guesses none the less!

25. Chalon?

yes same colours as lear fan - won the mill reef - as 2yo it's form was 110310 - didn't really train on but did win a couple as a 3yo

correct navel gazer

Times up guys

25th - 1982

Mr Flourocarbon - Queen Anne

Ardross - Gold Cup

Full answers were

1st Parthenon 1970 Queen Alexandra Stakes
25th Chalon 1982 Coronation Stakes
50th Private Tender 1990 King Edward V11 Stakes

Cl - clue about 50th in 1990 please

I can barely remember Private Tender

Initials are PT

One question to go .....

- and then I can, FINALLY, go and put the kettle on.

Right last question guys, you know its going to be a strange one...!
Five minutes

Q21) There were four letters that none of Sir Henry Cecil’s 75 winners started with, U,X  and Z were three, what was the 4th?

I

J

Was Ivano a Royal Ascot winner Ged?

Imperial Ballet 1993 Royal Hunt Cup

Possibly. i remember it winning the Houghton as a 2yo

Jendali 1991 Queens Vase

Is there a list of these winners online that everyone else knows about?

ok last guess - e

ß

Endorsement 1999 Queens Vase

queens vase is one i obviously overlook!

Belmont Bay Ged Not like you squire

Plus Bolkonski/Bosra Sham/Burning Sun etc

B = Bolkonski - 1975 St James's

Times up, misery over guys...!

I'm trying to be clever. that was a german long ess

Q ?

or was there a Queen something?

I even forgot Bosra Sham

Has anyone got a list of all these winners?

Thought it was my laptop or my eyesight, was about to ask you to clarify it ged...!

Queen Midas

Queen Midas 1987 Ribblesdale onlooker

Have them listed Navel, if I post them though, it makes setting the questions even more difficult...!

Ged - you won't be getting away with the 'S' either

Shavian, Strigida, Space Cruiser and probably a few more too!

V ?

-  don't think Vacarme won at Ascot.

CL - cut out of a paper or collected after lots of hard work?
They aren't online are they?

Can you post then when the quiz has finished - thanks.

Vin De France?

Valevar 1983 Queen Anne

thats me off now guys - thanks for the entertainment and let's hope tiger cliff gets the job done tomorrow

Hard graft Navel

CL - is that Valiyar?

Kettle on ....

Yes Navel, apologies my eyes are done in and I missed my supper, apologies to all didn't think it would take this long to complete...!

Surprisingly the letter without a winner is "N" guys.

Will post full questions and answers and scores after some refreshment, good night to all, thanks for taking part and good luck over the next five days.

Goodnight all and thanks again Langer.

Good night, Cork Langer

Thanks for the extensive Quiz.

Is that all?
Thanks anyhow CL...I'll be expecting another at the July meeting

Very entertaining quiz.  I read the whole thread and wouldn't have got one answer (and I am the right vintage).

Time for the Questions and Answers to be revealed

Q1) – Who started odds on favourite against the mighty Kris in the 1979 St James Palace Stakes?
Answer – Young Generation

Q2) – 1979 saw a winner for the Queen after a nine year drought, who was it?
Answer – Expansive in the Ribblesdale

Q3) – Which horse gave Lester Piggott his 100th Royal Ascot winner?
Answer – Cajun 1981 Chesham

Q4) – This appropriately titled persons first ever runner at Royal Ascot in 1986 was a winner, name trainer and horse?
Answer – Lord John Fitzgerald, Sizzling Melody 1986 Norfolk Stakes

Q5) – Why were racing fans unhappy and disappointed about the 1983 Royal Ascot meeting?
Answer – BBC strike meant no TV coverage

Q6) – After Sagaro’s 3rd victory in the Gold Cup in 1977, what were his total career winnings?
Answer - £225,530

Q7) – 1980 saw this horse complete a hat-trick of Royal Ascot victories started by a 2yo victory in 1978 and a 3yo victory in 1979, who was the horse/trainer/jockey combination?
Answer – Blue Refrain for John Benstead/Brian Rouse

1978 Windsor Castle Stakes
1979 Jersey Stakes
1980 Queen Anne Stakes

Q8) – Who put up 8lb overweight on the neck runner up to Steve Cauthen’s first Royal Ascot winner?
Answer – Pat Eddery on Lobkowiez 1982 Prince of Wales Stakes runner up to Kind of Hush

Q9) – The 1976 St James Palace Stakes finished in a dead heat between two Clive Brittain trained horses until the Stewards intervened and disqualified one of them, name the horses involved?
Answer – Radetzky and Patris

Q10) – Dick Hern had 3 runners in the 1978 Hardwicke. Who rode the two (Smuggler and Sea Boat)  that Willie Carson (Dunfermline) discarded? Both jockeys had ridden Royal Ascot winners for Henry Cecil.
Answer – Lester Piggott and Alan Bond

Q11) Only one of the 75 Royal Ascot winners trained by Henry Cecil had “Ltd” in the Owners name, what was the horse and who was the owner?
Answer – One In A Million 1979 Coronation Stakes for Helena Springfield Ltd

Q12) How many different jockeys rode Henry Cecil’s 75 winners?
Answer – 16

Steve Cauthen 19
Lester Piggott 15
Joe Mercer 9
Kieren Fallon 7
Willie Ryan 6
Pat Eddery 4
Tom Queally 3
Mick Kinane 2
Richard Quinn 2
Greville Starkey 2
Eddie Ahern 1
Geoff Baxter 1
Alan Bond 1
Gianfranco Dettori 1
Frankie Durr 1
Johnny Murtagh 1

Q13) For which Owner did Henry Cecil train most Royal Ascot winners and how many?
Answer – Lord Howard de Walden 11

Falkland 1972 Queens Vase
Fools Mate 1975 Bessborough Stakes
Catalpa 1976 Ribblesdale Stakes
Kris 1979 St James Palace Stakes
Strigida 1981 Ribblesdale Stakes
Arden 1987 Queens Vase
Paean 1987 Gold Cup
Shavian 1990 St James Palace Stakes
Perpendicular 1992 Prince of Wales Stakes
Gondolier 1992 Ascot Stakes
Sandmason 2001 Hardwicke Stakes

Q14)Name in order of number of victories, the three most successful jockeys for Sir Henry Cecil at Royal Ascot?

Answer
Steve Cauthen 19
Lester Piggott 15
Joe Mercer 9

Q15) Based on the pre 2002, 4 day, 6 race meetings there were 3 races Sir Henry Cecil failed to win, what were they?

Cork & Orrery Stakes
Wokingham Stakes
Kings Stand Stakes


Q16) – Who won the Isle of Man Derby as a prelude to their victory at Royal Ascot?
Answer – Clanrallier 1985 Bessborough

Q17) – The 1979 Chesham went to Star Way who went on to be Champion Sire in NZ, behind him that day were 3 horses who later achieved much more on the track, who were they?

Answer
Henbit 1980 Derby winner
Baron Blakeney 1981 Triumph Hurdle winner
Pounentes 1983 Mackeson Gold Cup winner

Q18) Fill in the names of EVERY missing jockey from the following 1982 race

Concorde Hero        H.Cecil                L
Horage                    M.McCormack        Pat    Eddery
Kafu                    G.Harwood        G
Landseer            D.Sasse                D
Orange Squash            R.Smyth                 P
Sidab                    W.Musson        B
Stay Sharp            P.Kelleway        S
Telephone Numbers    H.Price                    B

Answer – Race was the 1982 Coventry Stakes
Lester Piggott
Greville Starkey
Denis McKay
Paddy Young
Bruce Raymond
Steve Cauthen
Brian Rouse

Q19) Six jockeys rode a single winner for Henry Cecil at Royal Ascot, name them?

Answer
Eddie Ahern on Father Time in the King Edward V11 Stakes 2009
Geoff Baxter on Le Moss in the Queens Vase 1978
Alan Bond on Catalpa in the Ribblesdale Stakes 1976
Gianfranco Dettori on Bolkonski in the St James Palace Stakes 1975
Frankie Durr on Fools Mate in the Bessborough Stakes 1975
Johnny Murtagh on Thomas Chippendale in the King Edward V11 2012


Q20) Name Henry Cecil’s 1st,25th and 50th Royal Ascot winners?

Answer
1st Parthenon 1970 Queen Alexandra Stakes
25th Chalon 1982 Coronation Stakes
50th Private Tender 1990 King Edward V11 Stakes




Q21) There were four letters that none of Sir Henry Cecil’s 75 winners started with, U,X  and Z were three, what was the 4th?

Answer – N

And the all important scores of course

Gordon63 - 12
ged - 11
comingupthehill - 4
onlooker - 4
sixtwosix - 4
navel gazer - 3

A very well done to Gordon63 who takes ged's long held crown, extremely close though, and full marks to our joint thirds and to navel gazer who only joined in late.
Thanks to everyone who participated or looked in, next quiz will most likely be Glorious Goodwood.
Any feedback on the questions or the new format of posting one timed question at a time, most welcome

Thanks again.

I would suggest a couple of things:-

1. Advertise it on the forum a couple of days in advance, and bump it a couple of times, so that more people have a chance to know it's coming.
2. Perhaps have it at a different time (maybe 1 day earlier), because there would be some who might want to have a go (including me) who really want to be studying the first day's card the evening before.

...and not that this will be relevant, but I'll be away for the weekend before Goodwood, and the first 3 days of the meeting itself.

Cork thanks for the excellent quiz mastery and rekindling some wonderful memories, Strigida and Horage being two standouts for me. Couple of additional suggestions - agree with Geds' point 1 above

1 Include some questions from 80s, 90s

2 Start a little earlier - it was a late night ahead of an early start!

Good luck today

Thanks for the feedback guys, will aim for the Sunday evening around 18.30/19.00 and see how we go.