Can anyone remember these horses for me from around 1985

thats re no refuge,star rage did win a county hurdle a few years earlier.

im sure i backed it and cant mind it

Arcalis!

Arcalis!

arcalis

doh

That's a good question Jimnast...I won't forget it AGAIN!

correct arcalis also won a fighting fifth and was 2nd in a county hurdle.

name the horse that started 2nd fav to miesque in the 1000 guineas

Is this question open to others...?

yeah

milligram?

nope

Interval?

Minstrella?

was it favoridge or was that against ma biche ?

interval is the one. seems to be a forgotten horse from a vintage guineas

Favoridge & Ma Biche were both 1983 3yo's I think

It was Interval, started at 6/1

11/2 in my book cork

Fidway - who was the notable absentee from that race?
She would definitely have been at the top end of the market through the winter.

got to be the irish 1000 guineas winners

Interval is a forgotten filly in some ways.  She won a decent sprint race in France later that year if I remember correctly.

navel i take it i am correct with the irish 1000 guineas winner of the same year

Pauli - she won the Maurice de Gheest, but it wasn't a group one in those days...also well beaten by Ajdal at Haydock.

Yes Fidway...it's too easy!

Fidway, I bow to your greater knowledge, 6/1 must have been the price I took, a missed opportunity, could have arbed it...!

Thanks NG.

Like all thing they have changed the rules  so it cannot happen
give you 2 of yester year Sky Gypsy , Young Emperor
babies 2 year old could run has many times has the trainer liked  penalties were unheard of   Today win a micky mouse race UP 6lbs win 2 micky mouse races  you will never win again

I think the first JOHN SMITHS MAGNET CUP, as it was originally named was won by,
PIRATE KING I think he was owned by MAJOR L.B. HOLLIDAY could have been trained by HERN,
he took over the training of HOLLIDAYS horses from GEOFFREY BROOKE, if I remember rightly.

The first Magnet Cup was run in 1960, won by Fougalle for Norman McIntosh and Rufus Beasley.

There's a 10-minute film of the race and the day here:-

http://www.yorkshirefilmarchive.com/film/magnet-cup-1960

(click on the picture to start it)

You see a few bookies including firms of Fred Binns, Harry Lawrence, Dave Thompson, Bob Beresford, Morry Peter (latter towrads the end of the film).


...and some supping of the golden ale at the end!

Major Holliday and D1ck Hern won the race the next 2 years, with Proud Chieftain, and then Nortia.

Anyone remember Moores Metal, Hollinshead trained it in the 80's. Used to run loads of times per season and pop up at a big price every now and again.

Seem to remember it being a big black horse that cost quite a bit as a yearling.

For a couple of years me and my mates called any horse who ran up a series of duck eggs then won, a right Moores Metal.

Pirate King won the St James Palace in 1956, and was twice 2nd in the Eclipse ('56 and '57). He went to stud in Australia for 7 years (first foals born in 1959). After that he returned to the UK, and produced a mixture of horses - including the sprint handicapper Privateer (won Portland; 2nd in Stewards Cup), middle-distance handicapper and hurdler Tortuga, and stayer Random Shot (awarded the Ascot Gold Cup on a DQ). His best horse in Australia was sprinter Bowl King.

Who trained a horse called Wiki Wiki Wheels,remember clicking a yankee with him around 1984.Helped put me on the road to ruin backing horses

i remember moores metal. sounds like a m johnton horse. canna predict what will happen with them.

jimnast     17 Oct 12 16:06 

mellottie and rambos hall happy days.
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jim - We appear to have followed, and backed, many of the same horses.



I have not been on this thread earlier.

dallas brings bad memories.

I had backed Power Bender of presoctts and Dancing Brave for the arc in an ante post double 12's and 7/2.

Power bender finished 2nd.

Anyone remember a horse called Jazetas,  think it was a Neville Callaghan horse,  Lorcan Wyer mistook a winning post one day at Sandown or Newbury and dropped his hands and let a horse called Albert Hall of Hendersons wins  this was mid 80s i think.

Of course i was on jazetas.

Francombe trained a really good hurdler in the 80s who refused to race on many occasions.  Anyone remember?

I remmber lots of cecil horses that i backed in the 80s

Kudz
Gayane
Rakapohsi King (spelt wrong) to name 3.

Kudz was my 2nd horse in a 500 quid double that came up. 

1st days jump racing ever at Mussleburgh i backed nearly every winner on the card.

Rapier Thurst i think  - Jimmy Fitz
The Builder   - revely
General Chandos - Bradbourne at the time
Sonny one Shine - i think won the last or was second.

cant remember the rest.

I used to love a horse called Bishops Yarn trained by Toby Balding and ridden at the time by the faultless Richard Guest.

was it Major Rose aberdonia?

collywobble,you are thinking of derring rose,abu kadra might be the francome trained horse.

Abu Kadra it definitely the francome horse.

re abu kadra don't think it   didn't start,aberdonia probably means derring rose who francome rode.

just remembered a prolific novice hurdler who I backed many times in the mid/lates 80s, think it ran up a sequence of wins.

Mister Point.

Cant remember who trained it?.

Think it used to bomb out in front and stay there.

oh right first time!

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heres some forgotten horses from the mid 80s.

aventino

Aventino sent me on the road to ruin. 

Had a 20 quid double on Aventino and a horse called Kalshan,  won over 900 notes.

Phoned up the Will Hill Raceline for the results when i was at work.

Never been more excited when the Kalshan result came through.

Things may have been so different if that double had not come in.

Jamesmead
Claude Monet 
Grannys Pet or Grannys Bank - trained by Paul Cole.

they are more of my favs from that great era.

onlooker its been a pretty lucky race for me,especially around the early 90s another series which i really made pay was the rothmans north/south series,the final been at the rowley mile but qualifyers at tracks like newbury and doncaster decent handicappers runing against each other on a regular basis.of course it stopped when cigarette advertiseing was banned.

Mister Point rings a bell aberdonia.  He was a front runner and he won a few races.

Perkin Warbeck
Hendeka

another couple of Cecil horses of the time.

mister point was around in the late 80s i remember him getting beat by an old favorite of mine called blazing walker in a novice chase.

there is a horse running these days called perkin warbeck too

Blazing Walker could have been a superstar.

Arthur Stephenson trained with a big white blaze?

so was carrick hill lad

im posting on this thread far too much.

Anyone remember a turnell trained horse called Tawridge.

Really promising novice chaser who was killed on track one day.

And did Sherwood have a horse called The Thatcher who again died on track.

Welsh Oak was another grand horse, a grey trained by David Gandolfo?

sir blake wasdestined for the top too

i stared backing horses seriously when i was about 19 when i was still with mummy and daddy.

I used to put my winning tickets in my golf bag out of harms way.

They are never out of harms way when your mother is about.

I was going to Perth races one Saturday, 85, or 86 before i went, i went to the bookies and backed a horse called Rattle Along , put a grand on , took 5s, it won at something like 13/2.

When I got home Mummy was waiting with ticket in hand.  I had to do quite a bit of bullshi tting that day.

Horses running at Perth that day included Thareleos and a Richards horse called Atkinsons.

Dread to think what else your 'caring' mother found ! 

your not wrong , mothers are a nightmare but you got to love them.

Rattle Along won at Sandown that day, ridden by the greatest (Cauthen).

Floyd was running on the flat that day at Sandown.

great thread lads. not my earliest memory but some of my favs would have to be from mid90s ish i think. i would hav been in my early teens-no superstars here but some favs. on the all weather half tone dane o neill used to ride him think he was a grey not sure who trained him but he used to race over 5and6f and come from behind,2 more off the pace merchants were gone savage at sandown w musson trained and r cochrane used to ride him to perfection.the other was statajack around windsor elsworth trained and t quinn used to get the best out of the old monkey. 1 over the jumps that ran up a sequence was fiveleigh builds i think lucinda russell trained.great memories. off topic but used to love the channel4 coverage back then with lord oaksey and brough scott-compared to emms and catt group1 vs seller. keep up the good work. spot.

It's comforting to watch the forty/ thirty somethings struggle to remember details from the recent past. It makes us older ones realise that our memories really aren't that bad when attempting recall happenings some forty or fifty years ago. Good thread.

are you still 'down under' PAUL?

David Elsworth ruled the roost over jumps. Horses like Floyd, Barnbrook Again and Combs Ditch were regular Saturday winners. Floyd led all the way in a Bula Hurdle but wasn't quite a Champion Hurdler. Very Promising won a Mackeson for David Nicholson the year after Newlife Connection for Arthur Stephenson who regularly had 3 or 4 winners at Sedgefield. The other great southern trainer was Josh Gifford whose best horse at the time may have been Door Latch. I think it was around this time that Strands Of Gold won The Hennessy and my first flat winners were Go Bananas for Ken Ivory and Al Amead, a sprinter who won a few round Lingfield for John Benstead.

I remember the Elsworth trained Hypnosis, another who used to go like a scolded cat from the off, a really exciting horse.


remember strands of gold when trained by Jummy Fitz, i backed it when it was beaten a nose by Cross Master at Chelteheham

Comeragh King was another for Fitz, a Budge horse who raced with his nose almost on the ground.

As for Gifford, the great Vodkatini and Yeoman Broker.

Cavvies Clown maybe should have won the 88  Gold Cup.
Favourite Jimmy Fitz horse Trainglot
Told lots of people that Door Latch would win the National only for him to fall at the first. The following year his owner Jim Joel won the race with Maori Venture. I did not have a penny on.

my favorite jimmy fitz horse was killed in the gold cup cavvies clown should have won steamship,by the way i was also keen on door latch in the national.

didn't floyd win a county hurdle at the festival?

Floyd had a tremendous season in 1984/85.  He won the Imperial Cup and then carried a 7lb penalty to win the County Hurdle at the Festival 5 days later.  He followed that with a win in the Queen's Prize on the flat at Kempton.  He was a lovely horse and one of my favourites.

If I remember right I took 7/2 about FLOYD Imperial cup and he started 4/1, early
in the week of the race, not certain though.

Floyd started a very well backed 13/8 favourite for the Imperial Cup.  He was again a well supported 5/2 favourite for the County Hurdle.  Floyd ran 5 times over hurdles that season and won on 4 occasions.  His only defeat came in the Swinton Hurdle at Haydock where he ran below par but he'd done enough for the season by then.

I seem to remember floyd being a bigger price than that (I thought I got around 7/1) for the county hurdle.

was he the subject of a big gamble or am I mixing him up with something else.

There will never be a more courageous racehorse than Floyd. Was a flashy chestnut with four white socks too. He had a fantastic hurdling technique, like Make A Stand's. Jumped to his right, though, yet still made all in a County Hurdle(!), a Bula Hurdle, the Fighting Fifth.

Won the Long Walk at the age of 12.

Going back to the start of this thread ... Chatam, an ex-French beast trained by Martin Pipe. In all the years I kept speed ratings, the two highest figures I ever recorded were for Chatam winning a juvenile handicap hurdle at Newbury by a distance on heavy ground (after he'd finished 4th in the Triumph) and a couple of years later when the same horse won a novice chase by a distance at Newbury on heavy ground.

Chatam was a really imposing horse who jumped to his left, hence a flat left-handed track on bottomless ground made him unbeatable. He won a juvenile hurdle at Worcester on his only outing before the Triumph and, of course, later went on to win a Hennessy at 10/1.

My memory is really letting me down now, was there a horse trained by
SMYTHE that won the Imperial about that period, IMP SOMETHING?

Baz - you're not thinking of Olympian are you? Or should I say ol-IMP-ian!

I know he was a Pipe acquisition but I can't remember his background.

bazzar, Insular under Eamon Murphy and trained by Ian Balding won the 1986 race and Inlander under Steve Smith Eccles trained by Reg Akehurst won the 1987 running, was it either of those you were thinking of...?

one gifford trained i used to back was no pain no gain pip hide used to ride im sure.red ans blue colours.

the widget man ?

A few old friends from the flat in the 80's that did me a few favours;

Chaumiere
Basil Boy
Vorvados
Hallgate
Spindrifter
Century City
Governorship

2favs mary revelly trained were cab on target and marello.

nav LOVED CHAUMIERE bet it twice in a row at 20/1 then 11/1 in the 80s go bananas an auld fav of mine too and the mighty mac makin all top wait as well

nav LOVED CHAUMIERE bet it twice in a row at 20/1 then 11/1 in the 80s go bananas an auld fav of mine too and the mighty mac makin all top wait as well

Mention of Ian Balding's Insular reminds me of another staying handicapper he trained called Cheka who won the Great Metropolitan Handicap in 1984.  This race was significant for a particular reason - does anybody know why?

i think my 1st ever fav horse beat hallgate in the greenham.was called faustus

Fid - remember Hallgate's very high head-carriage?
He looked so ungainly but it didn't stop him producing an explosive finishing burst.

Pauli - I can barely remember Cheka so you've got me on this one again!
Claire Balding ride it?

Re: Cheka, was it the last time they ran across the inside of the course...?

Correct Cork Langer - well done.  It was the last time the race was run over 2m 2f.  Since 1985 the Great Met has been a 1m 4f handicap.

W/D CL...I can't remember it ever being over 18f

Pauli - did Claire ride Cheka?

Navel, you must be a mere whippersnapper compared to us old ancients...!

CL - too young to remember the 70's hurdlers but old enough to clearly recall Troy, who was a brilliant Derby winner often overlooked in the debates about the greats.

If he'd have been an also ran in the Arc (like St Jovite, Generous or Reference Point) he would be rated higher.
Despite being disappointing, he ran his heart out on really soft ground to be placed and it's as if he's 'judged' on that performance - unfair I think

Ernie Johnson rode Cheka that day NG.

Thanks Pauli...maybe she took the mount on other occasions, though in the light of subsequent 'developments' it seems unlikely

Troy remains the best Derby winner I have ever seen.  He made some high class horses look very ordinary that day at Epsom.  As you say NG he doesn't get the credit he richly deserves because of that Arc defeat.  A great shame that his achievements are measured on that one race.

bazzar probably thinking of Flash Imp:-

1974
EPSOM handler Ron Smyth'S Flash Imp (J King) makes giant strides to score an impressive win in Sandown's Imperial Cup. The 5-1 jt fav is too smart for Staff Ingham's Legal Tender (J Uttley) and two years later would run third behind legendary Night Nurse and Birds Nest in the Champion Hurdle.

Pauli - there have been some great performances from some great Derby winners at Epsom, but the quality of the field in comparison to the norm, and the manner of victory was much better in my view to something like Shergar whose main opposition (Glint Of Gold & Kalaglow) just didn't have a fair chance to get in a blow.

Golden Fleece
Slip Anchor
Nashwan
Generous
Motivator &
Authorized all looked fantastic on the day but none faced the opposition that Troy encountered.

troy and sinndar have never really been given the credit they earnt,as i have said many times on this forum troy won the strongest derby i have ever seen by 7 lengths.

Last Tycoon was a fav of mine, a french sprinter who went on to win breeders cup mile.

I always backed the horse when he came to England.

He used to take on the likes of Green Desert and Double Schwarz?

Those were the days when proper group 1 horses took part in sprints.

Anyone remember a stoute horse called Scottish Reel.?

Great 2 year old sprinter was Provideo, Chaplin's Club set the record for number of handicap wins in a season and I think ran twice on the last day of a season at Doncaster, once in a handicap and once in a Listed race. Mel Brittain trained Grey Desire to win several pattern races and Lefrak City was as exciting a 2 mile chaser round Sandown for Captain Forster as you'll see.

Scottish Reel was considered a Derby horse I think and may have run in The Glasgow Stakes when it was run at York and in memorial of Michael Seely who was a friend of Stoutey. Ran in red and white stripes I think.

Scottish Reel was involved in a fantastic finish to the Challenge Stakes in 1985 won by Efisio - one of my favourite ever races that wasn't a group one.

I wish it was on youtube because it's one of the most exciting finishes I've ever seen!

That was the one GED, the one that I took shorter odds early in the week of the race and he returned bigger odds on the Saturday.
ACQUAINT was another that I took 16s early in the week before he won and he returned 16s even though he had won 3 or 4 days before, owner rode him on both occasions a top trainer in
F.WINTER I think.