Joseph O'Brien

oh no,maz is going to get into semantics now and bore the tits of us

I haven't said how good, bad or indifferent he is Valuebetting, just pointing out the fact that he has already ridden as many Group/Grade 1 winners as he has when you were saying he's not good enough to. It's hardly my fault you said something inaccurate is it?

Plus I've only just noticed that you actually said group races and didn't mention a specific level of group race and I only listed the Gr1s, so that makes you view even more inaccurate considering he had just won a couple of Gr3 races at the Chester meeting.

Yeah I suppose facts can be a bit boring kingrat but then again that's not usually something you have to worry about when posting eh?

Silvergreaser

I did not mean to imply that he got the job on the basis of his everyday knowledge of the horses - was just trying to give a generous interepretation why he could be described as invaluable.

The reason he is in the driving seat is because Ryan Moore dilly dallied too much when offered the position, no doubt wanting the best of both worlds and not wanting to miss riding Workforce in his 4 y-r-o campaign. At the time we could not have envisaged how much the fortunes of the Stoute yard would cool.

Joseph is a capable jockey but so are many of his peers, because he's ridden group one winners doesn't suddenly make him into a super jockey, most capable jockeys will ride group one winners if given the right ammunition, Coolmore have a virtual arsenal at their disposal, so there will be many more group one winners for Joseph along the way and nearly all the praise will be funnelled towards Daddy and Son when in fact the most likely scenario was that the best horse had just won a horse race?.

sorry ima

lets see how many races he loses coolmore instead of winning them,

good luck

AOB and Coolmore know that they can trust Joseph. How many other trainers can say that with 100% certainty abot their jockeys. That is worth a lot.

so whats yre pt maz,is yre oppinion that the kid is the best jockey for the jop or sud a decent pro jock do the job.?

To my mind will give up in a year or two.
He will not be able to starve himself for much longer the lad is too big for the flat.
Will he switch to jumps.....I think not.

he'll be full time assistant to daddy.

Entirely true silvergreaser and there are a good few other jockeys good enough to ride the Ballydoyle horses that will never be given the chance to show that, with the main difference being Joseph O'Brien is good enough to but was fortunate to be given the chance. Although if he had shown himself to be no good even before getting the rides then he wouldn't have got them to begin with.

All jockeys lose races Valuebetting and I don't expect Joseph O'Brien to be any different. The only difference I am expecting is that when he loses one there will be plenty only to quick to say he was the reason why, which probably would have been the case if Camelot was beaten a neck in the 2000gns instead of winning by that margin. That was a top notch ride too in that he came from behind, had to weave his way through and also go for gaps between horses, had to change his whip hand a couple of times inside the final furlong and was still strong enough to win in a battling finish.......but that all gets put down to riding the best horse and so he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

It might actually be worth a few people going over to YouTube and watching the race again, although watch the winner only all the way through the race rather than the actual race itself to see just what a good ride that was.

Mr Magnier is probably the most astute men in bloodstock/racing world.
It is inconceivable that JOB would be riding these horses in major races
if there was even the sligthest doubt concerning his ability.It's ultimately his decision,
He's a very talented boy, he just needs to aquire the nesscessary experience
to go with his talent. As with all these jockey bashing threads, lots of ill informed
comments.

Not good enough and never will be, all of us can win on steering jobs. He is so lucky.

I think he's a decent jockey kingrat and other than a misjudged ride last time on SNA where a much more experienced jockey on Murtagh did the same thing in the race, I don't really see where J O'Brien has done much wrong. If I fancied a horse and he was on it then it certainly wouldn't put me off backing it and that would only be the case if he threw in a series of bad rides rather than a very rare one as all jockeys do that from time to time anyway.

Having said that, I probably wouldn't even have to make that decision anyway as Coolmore would do it for everyone anyway as they are a multi-million Euros business and not a benevolent fund and they had no problems in moving on Kinane and Spencer when they thought they were no longer up to it or not quite ready to deal with that kind of pressure.

18 years old.

All those Jockeys mentioned above Murtagh, Fallon and Kinane were all **** of the highest order when they were at Ballydoyle. Thought they had a divine right to do as they pleased. They all got the boot eventually bar Seamie and COD. Heff basically AOB good friend and COD a nicer fella you could not meet.

Give over about the above 3 they had loads of stinkers at Coolmore.

I think he's a decent jockey kingrat and other than a misjudged ride last time on SNA where a much more experienced jockey on Murtagh did the same thing in the race, I don't really see where J O'Brien has done much wrong

He was shíte on Betterbetterbetter two days after.

theres a difference them moving on the likes of kinane etc, surely if they gave joseph the boot it would put some strain on their relationship with aidan?

And I don't think he's as bad as made out, and seems like a decent lad, but the SNA ride is not some sort of isolated incident.

There are plenty of valid points raised about him - as someone already said, putting up OW in a Group race is very poor. Other jockeys wouldn't get away with doing that with Coolmore

They all ride stinkers at some time or other and Joseph would not be on them if he could not be relied on to do the job. It is as simple as that.

Remind me of Murtagh on Frozen Fire and Masterofthehorse at the same meeting last week. Two disgusting rides!!!!!!

'too much to do' and 'not reach winner' remarks on the racing post results are often a sign of a poorly judged ride. i remember that ride by murtagh on masterofthehorse, far from his finest. he made up for it on the duke though, murtagh got him to  dig down and rally like he never had before against papal bull. with joseph, he shakes the reins, tries the whip, and sits motionless.

i have no doubt he'll be fantastic for ballydoyle off the course working alongside his father, just have no faith or confidence in his riding ability whatsoever. cant really mention camelot, was far too good at newmarket and couldve won by a couple, all joseph had to do was get headway.

I think you'll find that Masterofthehorse ride was no accident!.

the ride he gave camelot was competant,no more no less,any journey man jock cud have won on it.but the fact is,the kid is dicey,the polarised oppinions about his abilities on this forum and among the general racing public prove that.imo the kid is week in a finish,hit and miss when judging pace ,gets horses beat when they sud have won far to often.i think coolmore is taken an unnecessary risk with him due to sentement.

problem is, if he rides one winning favourite in a g3 or 2 it just gives the coolmore a*se lickers even more ammunition.

i think a point people are forgetting is that joseph is picking up outside rides.....and riding some good winners on not as class of horses....like his ride on the nagle horse on the guinneas weekend....or his ride on hayley o connors mare at dundalk 2 to name but a few....so give the lad a break....

Its ok richters the Turf Club has afforded him a massive break, all his christmases came at once.

murtagh ride compared to obriens ride in the sna race last week, murtagh to start with was a doubtful stayer had only run at a mile obriens wasnt. that was a shocker joseph

Dr Gonzo

He was shíte on Betterbetterbetter two days after.

Do yourself a favour, empty your Betfair account and do your gambling on scratch cards and bingo because if you thought that was a **** ride then this game's clearly not for you.

He's had the horse in a good position all the way around and tracked the leader until hitting the front with a furlong to go and was then just pipped on the line a short head by a fast finisher from Johnston's yard, whose horses are renowned for running all the way to the line..........if that's the best you can do for finding a supposed **** ride of his then he must be doing OK.

some harsh and ridiculous comments mug thread

"You ride a damn good race and get beaten a short head when you thought you'd be lucky to get within three lengths of the leader and you may get booed. You make a mistake in the race, get shut in or your horse does something silly or you're unlucky, and you win by a short head when you should have won by a length and a half—and they clap. It's not your riding. It's whether they win or lose."

The above paragraph was from 5 time Kentucky Derby winning jockey Bill Hartack, sums it up perfect for me.

its nothing personal,i think the young feller is well grounded ,decent unassuming lad,a credit to his parents.there is going to be  alot of pressure on him at epsom.hope he gets a good draw so he can ride camelot handy.if comeing from behind it cud all go belly up and deja vu on the forum again,which i surpose is a bit unfair considering his age.i will be backing camerlot but at a lesser stake because of the jockey factor,.thats what it is all about me.

the kid is a joke,end of story! he wont last much longer in the flat game,coolmore will boot his ass out before long as he will keep making mistakes and keep putting up overweight,him and his dad should quit!

Clever owners don't let unclever jockeys ride their horses.

Lets look at some of your claims about him kingrat.

Weak in a finish? Didn't look that way in the 2000gns when winning a driving finish.

Hit and miss when judging pace? Didn't look that way when led all the way in the Irish 2000 or when coming from behind on SNA in America and Camelot at Newmarket.

Fair enough though you said hit and miss and I've given examples of the hits so did you have any particular examples in mind for the misses and can you give us specific examples regarding your other claim about the races where he got horses beat when he shouldn't have or is that just more generalising off the top of your head?

I bet they found the joke hilarious TheTipsMaster when he won the Irish 2000, Breeders' Cup Turf, Racing Post Trophy, 2000gns and various other big race wins.

Joseph stuck out like a sore thumb as a promising jock when he started riding,he has done little wrong.Just learning on the job.I would put him up over a lot of others.

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I bet they found the joke hilarious TheTipsMaster when he won the Irish 2000, Breeders' Cup Turf, Racing Post Trophy, 2000gns and various other big race wins.

are you really going to start dishing out credit for being able to win onboard horses such as Camelot and SNA big mac would have won those races if he was ontop,the fact is,he is winning races because the stables horses are the best around and you know it

can we just deal with the facts for a minute

if he was not the trainers son,would he be good enough to be stable jockey for ballydoyle-HELL NO!
if he was not the trainers son,would he be good enough to be number 2 jockey for ballydoyle-HELL NO!
if he was not the trainers son,would he be good enough to be number 3 jockey for ballydoyle-HELL NO!
if he was not the trainers son,would he be good enough to be riding at all for ballydoyle-HELL NO!
if he was not the trainers son,would he even be able to get a job riding any trainers horses in the UK,i very much doubt it and 100% of the blame goes to his idiot father and the owners for allowing this farce to continue-FACT!

Listen has Joseph got a nickname ?

PROBABLY 'CHARITY CASE'

So let me get this right, when he wins then it because he's on the best horses but when he loses it's because he's a joke? Oh and of course the best horse always wins doesn't it, you never get bad rides or hard luck stories where they don't do you?

I don't doubt for one minute that were he not the trainer's son that he would not have been given his chance at the job but if you really think hard nosed businessmen like Magnier, Smith and Tabor are going to let him ride their horses and not say anything if they didn't think J O'Brien was up to it then you really must be naive......oh and if that caused a problem for Aidan O'Brien I equally doubt they would have any problem replacing him too with another "idiot" to win untold group races all over the world for them.

And which farce is that by the way, winning multiple group races? Fcuk me I already knew there were some clueless and illogical members on here but there's no need to abused those traits?

ah maz will u ever stop been a pedantic bore,i am not getting into a pointless long drawn out debate on examples good or bad of the kids previous rides.u will only start bullshtting and splitting hairs,a complete waste of time imo.i have made my oppinion crystal clear on the matter.accept it or dont.get over yreself

So I'll take that as it was just more generalising off the top of your head then......thought so.

u think what u like m8,but yre mistaken me for some 1 that gives a shtt about yre views

'hard nosed businessmen like Magnier, Smith and Tabor'

i use to believe that myself,now it is impossible to do so,i cant respect these people anymore and they are embarrassing themselves and have become a laughing stock! its sad to see.

The fact is,they have the power,horses and money to employ 'ANY' jockey they desire,so what do they do,employ some 6foot 17 year old kidded who cant even make weight for his rides,its distgusting!

its no different than Alex Ferguson having a 20 stone 17 year old son who plays sunday league football for a pub team and bringing him in to play first team football at man united

people say how lucky jp o brien is , but look at it another way how unlucky he is .it will always be said and he knows it ,that he only has the job cause of who he is ,which must be a pain in the ass for him even if he went undeated for a season ,the moment he lost people will always throw the fact of who his day is in his face .And lets face it ,most of the comments on here are from pocket talker ,people will always think short price favs from this yard should win (bar sna which was a fcuk up)but every day after every race people are crying about jockeys the only different is there dads not a o.brien .wonder how richard hughes got his job

Listen Joseph has been doing alot of listening back home i reckon because i think with his father saying the word 'listen' all the time and constantly reminding him to 'listen'.He might not have been listening alot so his Dad might have got into the habit of saying 'listen' alot because he wasn't listening 

Funny you should mention Ferguson TheTipsMaster as he's another hard nosed type where winning is the most important thing and yet his son played 27 games for Man United in 4 years, which averages about 6 games a season before being sold on to Wolves where he played over 100 game and later to Wrexham where he played over 300. Alex Ferguson would no more have him as a passenger in his side as would Magnier have J O'Brien a passenger on his horses and this is the same Magnier that Ferguson came off worse against in the Rock of Gibraltar episode and was forced into a humiliating back down.

Buongiorno ima,just in from a most convivial wetting of the new babies head.Had to explain that in case my stalker is looking in,obsessed with closing times.

Any on the subject of Joseph N'Obrain,Anthony Culhane would have won on the vast majority of his winners and would have been more refined in burying some of his losers.hth

*Anyway* lol slight effect from the orange juice imo.

just for the record,i am a chelsea fan and despise fergie

You will be a fan of my old mate Dougie Rougvie then tipmaster?

well he was well before my time,but i know my chelsea history,i think i will have been 2 when he signed for chelsea but seen plenty of videos,seem to remember him loving the hard tackle and picking up plenty of red cards

He didnt take any prisoners even when he was a kid.My school only played rugby but I played alongside Dougie when we were 9 or 10 years old(Think it was the Boys Brigade team),remember him decking a lad and the boys eye popped out of its socket.Dougie just walked away when most of the rest were throwing up.

sounds like him,he was always more up for the fight than for the football

and at 9 or 10

He used to take the pee out of my school uniform and the fact we only played rugby but he never held a grudge that he was from an impoverished area.He had it tough as a youngster but never once mentioned our differences.All he wanted to do was play football and on the pitch there was no class division.I remember him winning a medal around about the same time for his school for a County trophy they had won.

He got the hump because it was presented by John Greig (Rangers legend) and not Willie Johnstone.I had to go away to boarding school the following year and never saw him again until the late 70s when I bumped into him in a pub.Took the pee mercilessly when he found out my posh schooling had led me to join the army on a fraction of what he was earning.

Top man.

Hypothetical situ: If it became apparent that Joseph would be able to do a comfortable 8st7lb for the rest of his racing life do you think for one minute that he'd have been ushered into the Ballydoyle top job?, not a chance!, and do you think the incestuous Turf Club would have moved the goalposts so as to accommodate one individual probably the only flat jockey riding in Ireland who has a problem doing anything around 9st.

Maidens and conditions races were never a weight problem for flat jockeys, its not so long ago the Turf Club upped their minimum weight for handicaps to 8st4, you can still ride in Britain at 7st12 and nobody is banging the door down for change.

Shame once again on the rish racing media for not reporting on one of the most cynical changes ever introduced to Irish flat racing, a damning indictment on the so called Irish racing regulators and the media too!.

Do yourself a favour, empty your Betfair account and do your gambling on scratch cards and bingo because if you thought that was a **** ride then this game's clearly not for you.

Condescending as well as tedious. You ever thought about applying for a job writing for the Racing Post?

you cant do it without the horse,as said previously eaves,hanagan,liam jones,danny tudhope could all do as well as young o b if they were riding the same quality.
GOOD HORSES MAKE GOOD JOCKEYS.

as i said before joseph is winning week in week out on averaged ability horses.....if he was an average jockey as some on here are claiming he wouldnt be getting these outside rides...

kingrat
u think what u like m8,but yre mistaken me for some 1 that gives a shtt about yre views

Well you give a sh1t enough to keep replying until the one time I actually ask you to do so after making a generalisation off the top of your head and you pass over the opportunity, which is quite telling really.

GT-MOLE
Any on the subject of Joseph N'Obrain,Anthony Culhane would have won on the vast majority of his winners and would have been more refined in burying some of his losers.hth

That's far enough then and if the general consensus is that anyone could win on their horses and J O'Brien is doing so then where's the problem with him?

Dr Gonzo
Condescending as well as tedious. You ever thought about applying for a job writing for the Racing Post?

You should be thanking me as some people need saving from themselves and if you think that was a sh1te ride on Betterbetterbetter than I'm afraid you are one of them. Although how about telling us specifically what was so bad about the ride or are you another like kingrat who just spouts off and then can't back anything up when your views are challenged?

Even if you said it was because of x, y and z I might still disagree but at least I would respect the fact that you gave your reasons rather than it just be a tired and lazy criticism purely for the sake of it.......but then again there was nothing at all wrong with the ride so I appreciate it can be had to detail something that isn't there.

oh dear, joe from the front,

Yeah baby, its a 7f race! All aboard the pacemaker

Valuebetting, shut the fcuk up, u know absolutely nothing
about jockeys, you fcuking idiot, what the fcuk did he do
wrong there, he was told to ride it from the front, not good enough.

His judgement of pace leaves a lot be be desired. Add Ernest to the list.

maybe went off a bit too fast but looked after the horse once beaten for his next day.

cant really have a go at him for that, plenty of other jockeys produce that sort of ride on a daily basis. probably team orders too.

FOYSDC

He did nothing wrong in that race.

agreed andrew, it must be team orders.

Every 3yo middle distance trial I've seen him ride he's gone from the front.

ohyouknowdoya

gowanbacktomaamystitty

U fcuking clown, the pure sh-t u come out with here, shfuup

take a pill sunshine, you'll give yourself a headache.

I see from you other thread you know as much about tipping horses as you do about jockeys
you pick 3 and can't get of them in the frame, do everyone a favour and quiet down. t-sser

calm down dear, turn down the telly and have a rest, this place will be the death of you.

looks like you're a last word freak too. quiet down there

lol

That got rid of the fcuker, didn't it

just sent you a "add me as a contact" I might need a few of them pills you are on,

O hold on, hold on he's back, what the fcuk is he saying now.























no no no no, oh shut up will you, ffs just shut up

ye 2 are taken up too much space,leave room for maz

This c00nt just doesn't stop, who is he eh? does anyone know who the fcuk this valubetting geezer
is eh, what the fcuks goin on eh.

So is that what are going to get every time he's beaten on one? Wait to the end of the season and judge they say and yet as soon as he rides a beaten one.......

The horse was unraced as a 2YO and has raced once before today when making all and winning by 10L in a maiden over the trip (or almost 11f) and this was obviously a big step up in class, but why ride the horse any differently to how it had previously won? The placed horses were running all over it coming towards the latter part of the race and the horse clearly wasn't good enough but isn't that exactly what these trials are for, to find out these things?

No doubt the horse was ready to run at Chester last week but that's a tricky course for an inexperienced horse, they had other runners in trial races and probably thought the ground and the extra time involved for today's race was the better option for this one.

add me to your contacts, a few winners might calm you down,

Ima, all joking aside (I'm only winding the other clown up and he fell hook line sinker)

to a certain extend I agree, the coolmore gang sent over horses to test the water over there and although I do rate joe as a jockey I just think to skip the other jocks in the yard for the kid is just strange considering his inexperience at the big english tracks, it is not like epsom is an easy track to ride, agree the kid will only get better but with his weigh rising the only reason I can see is money and if I were in their positions I would do the same,

so good luck to them

Add you to my contacts, are you having a fcukn laugh, you don't suppose
I could buy back my introduction to you in the first place do u, ill giv
u gud money. U don't half spout off som fcuking sh-t, dont u eh.

Oh no he's fcuking off again, on another one, what the fcuk the matter with this
boy eh, hes still at it, holy fcuk where do you get your breaths from eh.

will I email you instead.

try lifetime in the place market @ 3.5

gl

I think you're a bit of a scitzo kid, what's up with u eh ,does no one listen to you at home, why do you have to come on here annoying people eh. lol

check my blogg out

Yeah that's fair enough Valuebetting and for what it's worth I have always though both Heffernan and O'Donoghue were hard done by even when Ryan Moore was getting the rides considering both are multiple Group1/Grade1 winning jockeys. Whether it's fair J O'Brien got the opportunity is another matter but my view on it is that now that he has then people should judge him fairly and honestly on ability alone but because some seem to begrudge him getting the job then I don't really think that's always been the case.

The ride on the Fav today was a really poor ride. He set a suicidal pace and showed poor pace judgement.
The horse may end up being moderate but it was still a poor ride imo. He's still young and learning and
for me is doing better than Spencer did when he had the job. I don't think that there's anything wrong
with AOB puttting his son up on his top horses ,for me it shows he's human and has a heart.Even alex ferguson let his son play for Man Utd!. He may not
be as good as  Ryan moore but I very much doubt Heffernan and O'donoghue are any better and he has excellent balance and a good head under pressure, he just needs to hone his pace judgement skills.

Ima agree with some of your points, in particular he has the job now and the way coolemore operate they don't change their mind so either his weight or the results this year will make them do something.
tinkler
I think he is strong in a finish and if dad keeps telling him to ride them as if they will win, we
are gonna see a few threads started as soon as they pass the line (I'm guilty of that today) saying WHAT THE FOOK WAS THAT.

Also who on here would not do for their son what A0B is doing.

ahyouknowdoya

sorry for the slagging could n't resist it when you came on raving like father jack from father ted. oh and the losing tip

I, was taking the p-ss out of you.

ok good luck

I'm afraid you are already wrong Valuebetting

ima
come back at the end of the year, you have picked out 6 races he won I am sure punters can pick 60 on here they think he should have won, personally I could not give a monkeys fook how good he is but at least let the kid ride a year of group races before you come on here spouting how good he is.


end of year Ima

not being smart but the jock cost everyone fortunes there.

he is a hit and miss jockey one day he good other he usless

cb1985

I think they will be very angry with themselves (coolmore). he is only a kid and to put the horses future stud value on a kid was madness.

well joe ended up irish champion jockey but there were alot of mistakes made by people along the way and I am referring to those around "young joe".
hope the kid can take it on the chin and come back better next year.

Joseph O'Brien


Sickman
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Kinane, Spencer, Murtagh, Fallon and O'Brien. Not hard to pick the odd one out.


The OP missed the best one out.....

The clowns around this kid still continue to pile the pressure on his young shoulders ffs when will they come to the  conclusion that he needs more time riding before he can tackle the best jocks in the world however look at hughies and buicks rides on friday night and it really puts things into perspective on how jocks can fook up no matter how inexperience you have

Whats your view on this now Ima as I like yourself thought the kid should be given until the end of this flat season for people to make their minds up.