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michael I know you're just a troll but do us all a favour and F*CK OFF

check spot on pal

silly user name , stfu . if i see someone has typed cobblers i will comment and 50 quid at 2s and 30 at 4/6 is not bookies taking big money , so a massive contradiction i feel and im certainly not a troll im a man that likes to show up idiots and theres certainly a few on this thread

michael59 • May 7, 2012 8:44 PM BST
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Once again I would like to thank the genius at Betfair who came up with the "block user" concept 

micheal59, just because they dont want you on the " loose women " thread ...no need to disturb ours !!   

oh please please shut up sweaty you are embarassing yourself go av a bottle or 3 of buckfast ffs

the thread is about the joy of flapping, if this is too much for you to comprehend i genuinely feel sorry for you. 

Glasgow no doubt you have had a load of abuse again from michael59 . This fellah goes round every B F forum insulting people and trying to wind them up. I checked him out once by putting Michael59 on the search forums at the top of the page, so revealing. There must be about six other forums he uses that have the same opinion of michael as we have. Shame really , I think he needs help !

thanks irish, your not a bad judge...i like to give people the benefit of the doubt, but as you say this fellas beyond help. !! 

I always think it's a shame that there's so little about dogs history online. I guess we were too busy punting to take photographs. Flicking around Google the main historical photos of tracks seem to be on Speedway websites.  Love threads like this.

Only flap I have ever been to was Ellesmere Port for a trial, though not on a race night.

The best days racing the big derby s where brill every one was on tender hooks when got to the final in case you got bubble   . One sat   night in the Bolton derby run are dog on the monday he was in the select stakes at wembley so funny 3 of us in the select stakes where all in the same heat on the sat at Bolton . One was nickos best dogs east mead milos

Michael read my post again at chasewater was were the bookies would price up like i said,Norton canes was were the big money was bet £1,000 to £2,000 bets were struck on every race,a lot of gypsies bet at the track.Obviously youve never been flapping, and think glancing at a post then trying to be clever will adhere you to people it wont coz your not popular and certaintly not clever so either find a thread you know something about,or start 1 up and we can all read it wrong and call you a ****......

here here !!!!

about right there alan

you could get a bet on at warwick no probs you might get 500 on at 3s 500 on at 2s 500 4/6 500 1/3 but when you knew the dog would be close to the clock it didnt matter we put 2500 on one once and a mate was to slow getting on by the time i realised he hadnt got on it was 1/3 and i sent him back in
he was moaning saying there was no value and no point backing a dog at 1/3 it won by 10 lengths

a very well known trainer had backed his dog in the race and said we had cheated and woudnt be laughing when we got the red light  i pointed out it was a very good plot which had gone to plan and the man mountain stood in the racing office doorway had only come along to make sure that didnt happen

i never went to hinkley but got told you could get more on there but you would only get to do it once

also got told of 2-5k match bets on boxing day over the years wish id of seen them

hinkley was a great place to get money on,and was never a problem as long as tommy was in on it

Big fat Garry w use to make a book there would bait you to take the odds on when you was put in grant y new every time we switch ringers never gave a ****

bolton, before it went permit was the best track in the country ngrc included
after it going permit that was the slow death of the flaps sadly

No flap Sound won on the Saturday Milos broke his hock on the Monday

Tom long time ago but good times how good was the blue wonder springwood micky one of the best flappers ever him and lacca champ

I always wonder what made the bookies stand at flaps - I guess they were hoping that 2 or 3 plots would go against each other and cut each others throats?

Flap Mickey was a black dog super hound held Bolton Sprint and 4bend clock no other dog ever done that great blue dog was Blue Max thot Max was faster than Mickey but only my opinion

catford never seen anybody cut each others throat at warwick but i got a shot gun shoved in the back of my knee by another punters  family/mates for cheating better than them

decided to give it miss after that was only given two legs  at birth and had grown quite fond of them over the years

Tom springwood Micky blue dog came off second best on many a time some races on you tube

Crack up Tom springwood Micky  fair boot was a handsome black and I think blue max was the faster we came second to him at long eaton 1k winner take all races beat us 2L    Both done clock

When they are too big they get in your teeth.

Thats what i said if u read my post mickey was a black dog thot u said he was a blue dog reading ure post if im wrong i apoligise flap great thread u started

I agree with u flap as i said in my post "thot blue max was faster"

One of Harry Thorpes tricks(bolton handicapper)was to put adog he new to be a job dog in to win only to bring in a reserve to beat it remember this happening to a great private trainer the bitch he put in was Stay in Business later the mother of the great Game Ball

Fair boot had a blue son that won pboro derby twice how good was spiral bridge ?

Spiral bridge was good won plenty a nd no disrespect to him did not run against the class of dog that was a bout in 70s 80s and early 90s remember English Derby winner beating Laurles runner up in open sprint Bolton in 80s

Sorry flap got wrong dog meant Bridge Spire who was unbeatable on flaps 3yrs back or almostDont no Spiral bridge remember Spiral Darkie

Tom did springwood Micky ever race n g r c  a match race with phantom flash was the one that would have been great . In the day every Irish dog over for the derby flap

nO MR Jeffreys would not put him with a licensedtrainer and n.g.r.c would not sanction a match race with Greenane Squire

Joe booth king of the flaps

Being modest would hav 2 agree with u flap

Cricket ball

these derby plodders would't have seen springwood mickey's backside for sand dust

do u mean cricket bunny flap won Wishaw Spring Cup as Lonely won the Laurels also won the Greyhound Council race  at Hyde Park my dog was fav for last race mentioned wee wullie stopped for a drink on way home dog got stolen never saw him again

anybody ever go to hyde park flap in sheffield >>>

Dave, I went to hyde park a few times in the 70s, you needed a very good dog for there, class of graded dog very good, don't think they ran many open races at the track in the 70s from what I can remember.

Tom would you have know bluey drake

clayfield m8 i was a regular there when i lived south side of sheffield and you are right the class of dog was terrific..imo...just cant remember what nights they raced im swaying towards mondays and thursday and saturdays but not sure lol

Remember betting Albert Drapers quirky blue dog to win the Bolton derby when he ran as Bill Trent ? Albert had two entries that year when he ran the blue dog in the first round heats on the Saturday when the dog won odds on he then ran him again on the Monday winning more money in bets than the actual final .

Sheksburn saw him stop run in at Preston Albert sadly missed

Got me flap never heard of him

Dave did you go to any other flapping tracks in south yorkshire.

hi mate im from the north east but lived in sheffield for twelve yrs ..went to askern and highgate and also ma fav flap of all time chesterfield which was at brimington common and i think it was the 99 bus from pond street lol

no flap,litter brother of Milos a fawn dog Westmead Sound broke hock when 3 lengths clear in semi of Blue Riband at Wembley.I think he would have done clock that night.This dog should be in the top ten of Savvas best fastest dogs.

For me Doncaster was great and also Whitwood in Yorkshire

oh i forgot about whitwood (castleford) great track for getting money on also ellsmere port in the 80s

Hi Dave plenty of flaps in the north east in the 70s think there's only Wheatley Hills left up there now not sure if Wansbeck is still open. 9 flapping track within 20 miles of me when I ran dogs inthe 70s, Better times dog racing then than now.

Tom, Doncaster was a good track for getting money on, plenty of ngrc dogs ran opens there, a fair track with long straights, sadly now a housing estate.

Easington very good track clayfield

Tom how many tracks are still open in the north east.

hi lads easington a good track wansbeck/cambois still going wheatley hill,gretna.thats it in the frozen north lol..i used to love taking my dawgs on at stanley(murray park) spenymoor and pelaw when it was a flap had 2000 on my dog in the 80s at pelaw in the first race and the dog did the then clock (oooops)

3 flaps wheatley wansbeck easington also newcastle sunderland pelaw gbgb

Competition for 12dogs @£1000per dog over sprint at Bolton Entries invited Blue Max, Springwood Mickey,Linda,Rover,Ravage,Superior,Orange Peel,Moy Rover,Lonely,SaucyB, Instant G,if oversubscribed all dogs will get a run entries guarded proof of flapping required

Gin an gazz I'm skippy lacca champ

Drinkwater has already entered 2 flap and is kkeeping Gin and Jazz for 500yds comp about to be advertised Im skippy as u call him is already entered Orange Peel Pat has also shown interestinthe 500yds for Lacca

During the early 7Os a change was seen in the Scotish flaps People began to earn more money Pits were closing Steelworks shutting men armed with huge redundancies began buyin a far better class of dogs and it became a lot harder for English raiders

Will there be  a 800 we have a black son of old rip who can run abi t

Think we will make that one a handicap flap and we will need more cable for the traps

Flap will u bring Echo Spark for the 500 going to get the race on at wishaw a Pitmans Derby

A great little dog

24 dogs at 1k entry fee 2 run Pitmans Derby over 500yds WishawBlue Max,Oakfront Bronze, The Creditor,Springwood Mickey,Gin &J,Instant Gamble,Squire Ca,Yellow Cow, Lacca,Lonely, Orange Peel,Echo Park, Filipino,Sauce Buck.Sparkle,Sum Pic.Superior Cha.Ballymaclune, Ices Please, Super Tiger,Glamour Ho.Lauries Panth.Old Soldier.some names hav been slightly distorted not my  spelling all entries guarded

Sq cass love the red came up with team turner for his heat

What about Merry Rogue winning the Preston Derby spring cup at Ashfield and the Powderhall sprint? Also what about Albert Drapers other dog Rodneys Parade winning the Ashfield Derby? He was the litter brother to the great dog The Stranger.

greytom is there room in that Bolton comp.for Spring.

Would Merry Rogue hav stayed 500yds mint any dogs entered will get a run

Definetly Derryman the more the merrier

once got out dog off 5 in long un at askern, he had done a trial taken in by someone else faster than the scratch dog, but he was very nervous dog so we had to take him into track at the last minute walked through gates everyone looking at us , dogs for our race going in the traps, went mental, guy who owned it/racing manager goes oh weve cracked on tonight wanted to get meeting finished your too late,I went mental but to no avail, entered him again week after ,we was off scratch giving upto 8 away ,we never went back

my mate once stopped his dog for 4 months so everyone thought it was useless ,it was infact a2 off sheffield ,before the days of internet to check earmarks on data to see what dogs really like, anyway he eventually got her off 7 yards start at whitwood got 400 on at 3s ,he said thats paid for our summer holiday, the dedication to go week in week out knowing dog wasnt going to win he deserved that holiday just for that

Funny story we had a top heat dog not the best but could not beat him at Huntingdon some times we see top open races taking him on would only have a small bet but in 12 opens they never got near him by now he was odds on no matter what turn up so we got the black dye out took for the open got 4 s ran like screw every one said should have brought the old fawn dog

I can remember going to Southall one night and counted 18 Bookmakers standing up, all taking money.

Knew a lad who had a very good dog in the 70's, turned out to be a one man dog so didn't perform very well on NGRC tracks, but flapping, different class.  He was called "Oatfield Bow".  He ran a few times against "Come on Wonder", a twice disqualified litter brother to the great "Dolores Rocket".  Think he won The Luton Derby, maybe Aldershot Derby, but he was an absolute machine.

Oat field bow was a blue dog for the leg end joe booth

Oatfield Bow was a black dog flap

Joe collier bot a blue dog called Oakfield Colin at cradley heath sales and put it with Joe ran at belle vue won they had 3 winners that nite at Bolton derby

Was only a teenager early 70s went with the old man to Bolton  great big brindle dog used to run belle vue remember seeing him give 6 of our drivers £300 each now wait for the signal,someone recognised dog all hell broke loose in ring think they got £300 on lol won half track great days

Oatfield Bow was a July 1969 Black Dog (Spectre II x Little Rattler).  He was trained at Harringay for a short period by Ted Parker

dave d - do you recall a couple of guys that used to place bets for Joe Booth esp at long eaton,highgate & chesterfield . One was Fire sadly he passed away other was kelvin carnt recall his second name

We were lucky enough to have a lot of top racers and mainly ran them in opens on the flaps, especially in wales.We had at least 2 dogs over each sprint,middle and stayers trips.We would switch the dogs around and had look alikes for them all aswel, who were bottom grade flappers.One night each week we traveled away; often mondays to chesterfield,or other days to warwick, hinkley for graded as not many opens there.Highgate was great on a sunday.I remember those days well and wish it could all be repeated.

Remember Aubrey from Wales he had Great dogs boothie involved and his welsh trainer was George think young Robert is still involved

Bedford and Luton....both closed so then went to 'proper' racing at Bletchley (Milton Keynes as it became - now sadly gone) where my dad had an A4 bitch (very quick trapper) for a couple of years.
Now I have to go to Henlow or Peterborough for 'local' live stuff.
Prefer to just follow the decent graded stuff on RPtv from Newcastle on a Saturday night nowadays.

Loved Luton won Luton Derby twice 2nd time he won icalled him no danger won by 12 lenths

We finished third at Luton one night,but the judge gave a triple dead heat.

No clues as to the owner.

luved the welsh flaps skewen forestfach bedwelty valley

aubrey sadly passed away last year greytom,george was his greyhound trainer/minder and was very adept at both roles,an absolute gentleman also. Robert was a bookmaker at the valley and at the trots still.

Sorry 2 hear that Patrick my thots are with his family rest in peace old pal till we meet again

just found an old programme fromthe time i took a dog to glastonbury ( 1996 ), the dog won his race over

84mtrs. !! at the top of my programme i had wrote down my bets...60/40, and a 45/30...happy days. 

also recall going to exeter with a dog that came second in an open and i got £50 prizemoney. 

aldershot would have to have been my fav track though, many happy days spent there.

You would have seen some great dogs in Aldershot Derby Glasgow

Flap was Bluey Drake great friends with Willie Gray never met him but have heard he was very respected in the flapping game

Yes Tom when he went up north would stay with him and other way round two very clever men some great tales mum always tell me the time the chandlers of walthamstow borrow a 600 y off grandad to run in a 12k match race the dog was so iffy he would stop in a solo but put some thing in front he always would catch them after the race they gave my mum earrings neckles rings that could buy a house

wish we had an open kennel system like ireland

flap did ure mum ever tell u the story about the baboo

Flap did ure mum ever tell u the story about the baboon

No just ask her she said how is wally

Certain people had a fighting dog said it could beat anything and would fight anything Bluey turned up with a baboon killed dog in no time Willie 92yrs still going strong p.s dont no where they got the baboon

About right they were one offs