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Yes they are offering real betting on FAKE WWE - How ever i am guessing only 4-5 know the actual result.
whats everyone's opinions??
I think its strange & a very grey area....
whats everyone's opinions??
I think its strange & a very grey area....
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Thing is, they won't take big bets on it anyway yet they potentially get new clients and there is a shot at some decent marketing.
If a substantial flow of money comes through (which is very unlikely), then they pretty much know somebody knows something and act accordingly with little liability.
If a substantial flow of money comes through (which is very unlikely), then they pretty much know somebody knows something and act accordingly with little liability.
I've been betting on WWE for years with 5d and there's no reason that they shouldn't lay a market on it. ($500 max bet)
The performers are multi millionaires and often only the booking team and the two guys fighting know the result and more importantly this often changes very late.
Also, it's not as predictable as it used to be years ago. Modern booking is much smarter than it was (Ironically unlike modern bookmaking which is much dumber).
Don't see why it's a big deal myself.
The performers are multi millionaires and often only the booking team and the two guys fighting know the result and more importantly this often changes very late.
Also, it's not as predictable as it used to be years ago. Modern booking is much smarter than it was (Ironically unlike modern bookmaking which is much dumber).
Don't see why it's a big deal myself.
Lori, the 'results' are scripted in advance and set weeks in advance. The wrestler holding "the belt" will lose it and regain it a few weeks later.
The entire television production team know and plan the show accordingly.
The only time a result changes will be if there is an injury during the performance.
The entire television production team know and plan the show accordingly.
The only time a result changes will be if there is an injury during the performance.
I'd have to agree to differ on this one. There are some amazing stories in the autobiographies (Which I am aware could also be a work) of where last minute politics changes things.
For instance, when Hogan was scheduled to lose to Sting many years ago, he changed his mind on the day of the fight because he didn't think Sting had put enough work into being in shape.
Taker was supposed to lose to Punk 3/4 years ago, but Punk upset him backstage by insulting John Cena's work ethic and Taker said he wasn't willing to lose to him yet (and set back Punk's career about 18 months)
For most of the bigger matches (Other than the massive ones, where I agree with you), a lot of the crew are kept in the dark. Eric Bischoff used to not tell his announcers the results because they were so bad at keeping it secret in the commentary (Though I believe the WWE ones usually know.)
When Jim Ross was traded to Smackdown from RAW, he himself hadn't been told until it came up on the show!
While they have a script idea and usually works around a set date for a belt change, they will often delay this a month or bring it forward a month and that makes working it out from the outside for the large part pretty awkward, even though you know it's "sometime soon he'll lose the belt"
For instance, when Hogan was scheduled to lose to Sting many years ago, he changed his mind on the day of the fight because he didn't think Sting had put enough work into being in shape.
Taker was supposed to lose to Punk 3/4 years ago, but Punk upset him backstage by insulting John Cena's work ethic and Taker said he wasn't willing to lose to him yet (and set back Punk's career about 18 months)
For most of the bigger matches (Other than the massive ones, where I agree with you), a lot of the crew are kept in the dark. Eric Bischoff used to not tell his announcers the results because they were so bad at keeping it secret in the commentary (Though I believe the WWE ones usually know.)
When Jim Ross was traded to Smackdown from RAW, he himself hadn't been told until it came up on the show!
While they have a script idea and usually works around a set date for a belt change, they will often delay this a month or bring it forward a month and that makes working it out from the outside for the large part pretty awkward, even though you know it's "sometime soon he'll lose the belt"
That's off the top of my head by the way, I've thought of about four more since posting and could ramble all day about last minute stuff that goes on.
Lori, more curiosity that debunking when I ask this:
Hogan: He lost his contract (including merch rights) because he changed results.
Jim Ross, again, a contract dispute and "sold" (this was in some business trade mag I received).
But it does come down to ratings and star factor. As long as the public want someone to hold the belt, they will retain it. And when they loose it, nothing tastes sweeter for the script writers than revenge
Hogan: He lost his contract (including merch rights) because he changed results.
Jim Ross, again, a contract dispute and "sold" (this was in some business trade mag I received).
But it does come down to ratings and star factor. As long as the public want someone to hold the belt, they will retain it. And when they loose it, nothing tastes sweeter for the script writers than revenge
May 1, 2012 -- 11:12AM, Lori wrote:
That's off the top of my head by the way, I've thought of about four more since posting and could ramble all day about last minute stuff that goes on.
You mean "rumble", don't you 
The Hogan one, he had full rights to his character and results in his contract. He'd taken a long time to decide on allowing Sting to beat him, it was a big moment for some reason I forget.
I didn't know he lost those rights through it, that's interesting to me and I'll google it later.
The JR one I din't know but I believe you.
I think we're probably disagreeing on scale more than what goes on. I was under the impression that a lot of the crew only get told about the spot they need to worry about as I agree with everything else you've posted.
You'd probably enjoy Bishoff's book actually given your business side.
I didn't know he lost those rights through it, that's interesting to me and I'll google it later.
The JR one I din't know but I believe you.
I think we're probably disagreeing on scale more than what goes on. I was under the impression that a lot of the crew only get told about the spot they need to worry about as I agree with everything else you've posted.
You'd probably enjoy Bishoff's book actually given your business side.
Big Daddy Vs Gaint Haystacks, with Manuel as referee!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DSro4l_0cE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DSro4l_0cE
Watching now jack , awesome.
Some of the stuff they used to do to keep stuff secret was amazing. Ted Dibiase spent a week in hospital where they tried to work out where the blood was coming from. Bad guys and Good guys travelled seperately and drank in different bars.
Best one I remember was Bret Hart having a "loser leaves town" match and telling his fiancee he was pretty sure he could beat the guy (He lost, they moved town)
Some of the stuff they used to do to keep stuff secret was amazing. Ted Dibiase spent a week in hospital where they tried to work out where the blood was coming from. Bad guys and Good guys travelled seperately and drank in different bars.
Best one I remember was Bret Hart having a "loser leaves town" match and telling his fiancee he was pretty sure he could beat the guy (He lost, they moved town)
Lori, you'll find that Vince Junior made huge efforts to control every aspect of wrestling and went from finding wrestlers to creating characters and finding wrestlers that fit that mold.
Hulk Hogan was contracted just when that transition in approach took place so was one of the first wrestlers to discover how little he owned when he left the ring (including the event Hulkmania, I believe).
Similar to the rape and pillage record contracts of the 50's and 60's.
Hulk Hogan was contracted just when that transition in approach took place so was one of the first wrestlers to discover how little he owned when he left the ring (including the event Hulkmania, I believe).
Similar to the rape and pillage record contracts of the 50's and 60's.
Lori, I met Bret Hart back stage at a show in Calgary. He brought his teenager (son or daughter / can't remember) to a show I was working at.
Gave me his card while we were chatting. "you never know when you need a wrestler". Great line
Gave me his card while we were chatting. "you never know when you need a wrestler". Great line
Awesome on Hart. One of my heroes.
Hogan thing makes more sense now, the Sting incident was after he moved to WCW and his contract gave him character control (Which makes sense if he was screwed over by Vince)
Hogan thing makes more sense now, the Sting incident was after he moved to WCW and his contract gave him character control (Which makes sense if he was screwed over by Vince)
Actually, Jerichos books, especially his second one will likely appeal to you too as a lot of it is about his band and a lot of it is in Canada!
Just buy them all, along with Baseball Prospectus 2012!
Just buy them all, along with Baseball Prospectus 2012!
..oh, and Moneyball (haven't seen the movie so no idea if it's close to the book) too.... to save me changing threads
Final story then need to get some work done.
There was a wrestling event in Montreal at the Forum in the afternoon / non-televised. That evening, the same cast of wrestlers were in Ottawa - around a two hour drive.
I was promoting a show in Ottawa that same night so was driving from Montreal to Ottawa with two or three other people.
It was snowing really bad and there are long, open stretches. We saw a car that had skidded and was in the ditch so we stopped to help the four people trying to get their car back on the road.
As we approached, we realized they were four, huge athletes that had been crammed in a tiny rental car.
Then my friend recognized them. They were two tag teams from the WWF.....that were "enemies"...sharing the same rental car to Ottawa
What it also showed is how hard they worked them. Based on Pollstar which reports ticket sales, I often saw WWF in two or three cities on the same day. What I didn't realize was that often they would finish their fifteen minutes and be given a car and told to hit the road for the second show that night.
Not an easy life.
There was a wrestling event in Montreal at the Forum in the afternoon / non-televised. That evening, the same cast of wrestlers were in Ottawa - around a two hour drive.
I was promoting a show in Ottawa that same night so was driving from Montreal to Ottawa with two or three other people.
It was snowing really bad and there are long, open stretches. We saw a car that had skidded and was in the ditch so we stopped to help the four people trying to get their car back on the road.
As we approached, we realized they were four, huge athletes that had been crammed in a tiny rental car.
Then my friend recognized them. They were two tag teams from the WWF.....that were "enemies"...sharing the same rental car to Ottawa
What it also showed is how hard they worked them. Based on Pollstar which reports ticket sales, I often saw WWF in two or three cities on the same day. What I didn't realize was that often they would finish their fifteen minutes and be given a car and told to hit the road for the second show that night.
Not an easy life.
I need to check my books, I have a feeling I've seen that story from the other side. Please remind me if I haven't posted here a couple of days from now! (It's also possible you've told me the story before) - awesome as always either way.
A lot of the guys lived that lifestyle and barely made a living, just in case they could move up the ladder. Seems hard work to me!
A lot of the guys lived that lifestyle and barely made a living, just in case they could move up the ladder. Seems hard work to me!
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