KENNY OUT!!!!!KENNY OUT!!!!!KENNY OUT!!!!!!

I guess its one way to console yourself after that pasting today Solano, go on another Kenny rant, whatever floats your boat I guess.

fair play solano...Rafa wasnt given any cash...fact.

rafa spent £230m so not sure you can it is a fact that he wasn't given any cash

kenny good point but cobbs not daft enough to let the facts get in the way

sssh Paul this is a kenny bashing, stick to the script

You misunderstand me cob.  I am content sitting in mediocrity in sixth.

He had a bit of cash Kenny.  To be fair to him though, he generally got the big signings right (besides Keane).  Torres, Alonso, Mascharano, Reina, Agger, Lucas etc.

we need to get the manager of the USA

paul, think he sold a few as well

kenny spewed £100m in one season & yet we now say the team rafa left it better than when he cam in

Bellamy got another fan there

Had Bellamy played for you Pand, you'd like him. 

Can see how he winds people up the wrong way mind you.

If Bellamy had ever played for us it would have meant we were second rate.

Mind you - Johnny Evans

Rafa's net spend, courtesy of the Torygraph.

TOTAL BOUGHT: £229,340,000
TOTAL SOLD: £151,000,000.
TOTAL NET SPEND: £78,340,000.

David de Gea, Anderson, Welbeck, the list goes on Pand, many supposed 2nd rate players have played/play for united.

I know.
Anderson is one but then there's O'Shea, Brown, Park and Fletcher to name  but a few. How they've managed to get 22 titles between them is a total mystery.

How many titles has Anderson won Pand?

if you are going to talk about net spend then you could say that dalglish has done not too bad. he spent £110m on 11 players and recouped £75m on 14 players. net spend=£35m.

3.
Jonny Evans has 2.

ssssssh paul, no point saying that, lets round it up to 100m in Kennys case but of course for Rafa just go by net spend.

Not a bad return for a 23 year old, just in my opinion of course.

Djimi Traore has a Champion league medal lads, I think that should conclude this argument......

Stevie G must peruse Wiki, shaking his head.

Still he might have a hat-trick of League Cup medals by the end of the season.

I'd swear Stevie G is the only professional footballer to have never won a Premier League Medal.

I'll guarantee hes the only player ever to score in a League cup, F.A cup, Uefa Cup, and Champions league final though.

Giggs will be dead jealous.

Night all.

The difference with united having second rate players is the man in charge of them installs a winning mentality into them

Pand- stop twisting it anyway, you made a flippant/arrogant comment about Bellamy and united been 2nd rate

read today that Giggs has been disowned by his own father

so turn it into stevie g never won a league medal, well done.

My work here is done.

Is looking a plank paying much these days?

pity he didnt score in a title winning match ,,,,ooops ,,ye wafflers ,,,the pool are mediocre at best ,arrogance against lesser teams is where the problems begin ,,,ye expect teams to lie down ,,wake up it aint the 80s anymore ,every team has a go nowadays and the players should learn that beating man city by playing with passion is whats needed week in week out ,not just when they feel like it,,,,

and by the way even im level with stevie g on premier league titles ,,boooooom

the honest scouser , cant be asked to read through your thread , i take it you are a liverpudlian , dont forget to ring up talksport , and 606 , and twitter too , and what a great supporter you are . .............. prick

Liverpool are a money making machine the ridiculous odds they start matches at are incredible

I agree Hamsterdam, I dont back against my own team but I can imagine it would have to be profitable, Everton are the same though, when they play teams outside the top 6 at home their prices are comical always worth a Lay!

WTF talk abou getting stabbed in the back

Woahh!!!!  Kenny was allegedly helping Hodgson, was he, not imo he was looking after number one & putting himself forward in my eyes for the job.  With all the shouts of Kenny for manager he should have stepped aside & given Hodgson the chance.

Now it's turn his name's on the block.  Trouble is he's also spewed a £100 mill down the b*g, he's a much worse manager than Hodgson or Benitez.  He was when in his last job at Newcastle a decade ago.

Should we be loyal to someone whose clearly garbage, no, we need an experienced manager (without the history lesson)

Andy Carroll to Villa............. straight swop for Darren Bent. Nap 1.01

Dalglish won the league with Liverpool and Blackburn and finished second at Newcastle. To say he is a worse manager than Hodgson and Benitez is clearly bolox. Hodgson is a good coach for a medium sized club, Benitez is the master of two leg cup ties, while Dalglish has actually won a Premier League title. It could be that Kenny's time has gone, that he's taken too long out of the game, but he's proven he's a good manager.

paul appreciate you teaking the time to post but what youve said is clearly bllx.


He originally took over a great Liverpool side but allowed it to age without replacing the players.  It started to unfold & the next manager had to rebuild.

Dalglish after being given a fortune by jack walker, way in excess of others, nearly took blackburn down the next season & bailed out before he was sacked if I remember.  He was terrible at Newcastle & was sacked as they were struggling after him taking over a great team. Noone gets sacked for doing a good job

Dalglish wanted the Liverpool job before Hodgson & made it well known to the extent the next manager didnt stand a chance.  Fans constantly singing his name meant Hodgson was a dead man walking as he took over the job

Please dont talk about loyalty.  Hodgson showed him loyalty by giving him a job within the club.  If he had any loyalty himself he wouldnt have took over fron the man that brought him back.

Benetiz would have won the league with 100m

Jan 22, 2012 -- 12:38AM, Hamsterdam wrote:

Benetiz would have won the league with 100m

reina, torres and alonso did well but what about josemi, nunez, morientes, kromkamp, gonzalez, babel, pennant, keane, itandje, paletta, degan, dossena, pellegrino, voronin, riera and aquilani?

Thats a good list Paul, the only 1 i feel you're being slightly harsh on is Riera . We had our best campaign and finished 2nd in the league when Riera was on the left, he done well , not spectacular but gave us good width and balance.

THS, Kenny obviously benefited from Fagan's team to win the Double but he still deserves much credit (much like Benitez winning the CL with Houllier's players). Kenny then rebuilt that team by bringing in Barnes, Beardsley, Alridge and Houghton. They went 37 games unbeaten and won trophy after trophy. Six whole years after becoming Liverpool manager, he left with them top of the league, hardly a team in decline.

To put the Blackburn title win down to money is ridiculous. It was an amazing achievement. His team were hardly world-beaters. Flowers, Gale, Kenna, Sherwood, Hendry, Le Saux, Ripley, Gallacher, Shearer and Newell.

oh they were definitely already on the slide in 1991 when kenny left. who can forget the bizarre signings of david speedie and jimmy carter towards the end ? neither remotely good enough to play for a title challenging side.

He was to long out of the game. If it was Roy he would be slaughtered. Has to go pissssssed money on crapp. Also he is behind the time. 35m on carollll. bye.

could of had robben for 35 mill got andy caroll

voronin wasnt that bad..better than carroll and he didnt cost anything, carroll's so crap even darlington would turn him down

what a sore loser,1st roy now kenny. i bet the next manager will bring to the champion ,if you dont have Patience,

Made me chuckle:

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liverpool fans,

would u be happy with a league cup success and a 6th place finish in the league ???

cups are worthless, only thing that matters is top 4 and liverpool are further away than ever from this

unfortunately clueless, the way the game has become over the last few years, i tend to agree with you...

its about time teams were rewarded for winning things rather than finishing 4th dont u think...

after all, i dont think u can beat a day out at a final, and hopefully some silverware at the end of it

Liverpool at 1.69 for the CC is surely too short.

i agree with that Panther,

It would be nice to win the CC, no doubt, but when you have spent £100 million you expect to be in the top 4.

The trouble is there are five better squads than ours.

The loss of Lucas and Suarez is huge for us, but there is no excuse for performances like that one last night.

We need to get rid of Caroll and buy a goalscorer, if Kenny does not buy a goalscorer in this window then i too will be calling for his head.

I am hoping that KENNY will be getting his o.b.e this year


OUT BEFORE EASTER

Liverpool supporters need to get real.

Rafa spent years getting Liverpool set up the way he wanted it and when he left the Liverpool backroom staff was decimated.

Running a Premiership side is not a one man job. Woy & Kenny have had to scramble around for backroom staff - fitness coaches, defense coaches, attacking coaches, goalkeeping coaches, scouts, analysts, sports psychologists etc etc etc

Remember how long it took Fergie to turn United around.

Good  players , seldom make good managers , dont know the  reason  ,but that  is how it plans  out  . K enny D   now in troubled waters  ?  after 12 months  ................got himself into  all sorts of  contraversy  ,players  ability  in question ,buys of the century  ?  kist is  empty  no  more buns  to  feed  the  hungry  ,very unhappy  legion of  fans  ,will they STICK  WITH HIM  ?  UNLIKELY ? AS SUCCESS  IS THE NAME OF  THIS  FOOTIE  GAME  .?  THS  you  know  it  makes  sense , one  more  point  should a club  ever go  back to  previous  manager ? who  succeeded at that game  before ... its  like  answers on a postcard ? ..........ths......   you have  been let  down here ,you hope  for the  best  ,and its  not  happening ..  unlikely it can  right  itself  from your position  now  ,sorry for  kenny , but  returning  to  dugout  appears a  huge  mistake ,even  when  fans chant  your  name  while  a man is in  the  job    ,,,,a  sign of desperation    ..... THS  you are a good  fan  and  deserve  better  .............Managers  ....becoming a  young  mans  game   Coyle  type  lad is  future  for  managing a club ,OWEENNY HAS A  GIFT    on  small money in comparison  ,and  pelters  every  week  head  his  way  ....thats how  it is  unless you  WIN.......BARCELONA s   MAN IS  A  YOUNG  guy  and  brought  with him a  great  brand of  football .....  Question  during the  great years  did  pool  ever have a  world  footballer of the  year ,,,maybe  not such a reward at  that  time  .......... ?Pray for a few  top  signings  soon   ...all the  best  THS  ....

hows anyone meant to read that?!

he bought andy carroll....worse still he keeps playing him......this is gross misconduct itself.......of which the ultimate price must be paid..........LIVERPOOL HAVE NO OPTION BUT TO RELIEF KENNY FROM HIS DUTIES

I understood it ok, mightymoyes

Thanks for the message & support jim.  There are a few clowns that have given me a hard time but it needed saying.  Many of us have been saying the same on the Liverpool thread.  If it was ok to call for Hodgson's head publicly then why not Kenny's.

Kenny's done a worse job imo as he's also done in £100million.  If any people that work on here are bad at their job they get sacked.  Why should KD be any different...

He's clearly out of touch with the modern game & some of the events this season have caused massive embarassment to the club on & off the pitch, much of which is down to KD imo

Do you give a team that finished 6th £100 million & then say same again please.  No, the least I would expect is top 4 & yet we'll do well to finish as high as last year

MIGHTY MOYES ,............................... AN OPINION IS EXACTLY THAT ....AN  OPINION  ,Sorry  you  dont  understand  ...  list  what  doesnt  fit  your  bill  ...TA  ...

chances are liverpool will win a trophey this year .

Not saying it is right but i get the feeling this may be enough to save his job fot the time being. Unless the fands turn against him in their masses.

If they were knocked out of the carling cup by city then this could be a different story

daz it's not just about what's said at masses, few people go to church nowadays & the internet a much more powerful device in getting a message across. 

Winning the Carling Cup would make no difference.  Most teams are only putting out a 2nd team & it's micky mouse these days.  Agree with earlier thoughts it's all about the top 4 & the champions league.  Given the money KD has spent the owners would surely expect that as a minimum.  Time to get an experienced manager in & not just spew more money on second rate players

T.H.S.   THE  MISTAKES ARE ADDING UP  NOW ? QUITE  A  few  will not be  repaired  overnight  ..  Sorry sorry state    ... but  when you  come to  a  fork  2  roads to  travel  decision made  1  is  right   1  is  wrong  for  you  ...................I  feel  the  decision to  call for  a  K.D.    RETURN    is  not  working  things  that  have happened  during his  WATCH  ?  are  now  unacceptable  for  a club who  should  be  marching  proudly  alongside the  ELITE  IN THE  GAME  ...................... ROCKET   SCIENCE  IT  IS  NOT   ONLY  A  GAME  OF  FOOTIE  .....................................????  TA  for your  kind  words  THS   ...................................

Well said THS - I totally agree, and it does need saying. Kenny has been bullet-proof on the strength of his illustrious playing career but even in his first stint I felt he left us with an aging team and a massive rebuilding job from which we have never fully recovered to this day. But to voice that opinion among Liverpool supporters was regarded as treasonous. We have since found out how traumatised Kenny was at that time by Hillsborough and for that he has my utmost sympathy but to bring him in last year as long-term boss was a desperate measure which has totally backfired and I personally think he just can't cope in the modern game. The second-half defensive strategy against Man City in the CC first leg was a shambles and we were lucky to come away with the win. We had outplayed them in the first half and were sitting comfortably on 1-0, if we try to defend like that again on Wednesday I can see City having a field day. The transfer strategy has been a disaster and now we're going back to the old Rafa tactic of two holding midfielders and a lone striker  when we should be attacking teams who are there for the taking. Obvious example of this was the Utd game when we could have had a win with a little less caution. I could go on and on about the home draws and Bolton game yesterday and the handling of the Suarez affair etc but its already well documented and it all just makes me despair to be honest.
Anyway well said mate - YNWA

honest scouser i agree.

I thought he was bad appointment in the first place but I am saying what I think will happen.

I think the carling cup will save his bacon for the time being.

Personally I think his judgement is poor and out of touch but I fear the club will stick with him for the time being if he won the carling cup. This could further liverpools problems unfortuanately

RE vidou, "the old rafa tactic" got us consistently into the top 4, so it obviously worked!

If any of you guys are regular viewers of page 459 on sky text you may remember an e-mail sent in during the summer which read:

"The Liverpool board obviously thrusts Dalglish if they give him £80m+ to spend on average players like Downing, Henderson & Carroll when we could have signed Mata, Cavani & Thaigo, quality players for cheaper. We will be lucky to get top 8 at this rate, very dissappointed!"

and then on 06/11/11 I e-mailed this in:

"During the summer I wrote into these pages saying that Liverpool blew over £100m on average players (bar Suarez), and should have went for Thaigo, Mata & Cavani if we wanted to finish in the top 4. Sadly it looks as if I am going to proven right, we are just not good enough."

NOW I DONT LIKE TO BLOW MY OWN THRUMPET BUT.....

grumpyjim 22 Jan 12 10:56 
MIGHTY MOYES ,............................... AN OPINION IS EXACTLY THAT ....AN  OPINION  ,Sorry  you  dont  understand  ...  list  what  doesnt  fit  your  bill  ...TA  ...
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nothing to do with your opionion mate, it was your style of writing and lack of paragraphs and full-stops made it hard to read. especially with a hangover!

You get used to it MM. After a while you start wondering why THS doesn't post like Jim.

PHIL THE POWER ,   LOOKS LIKE    the  fork  kenny  took  was wrong , regards  aquisitions  who have  under performed  ?    I really  thought at the  time  kenny  was mad  decision for him at  the  time , TO  RETURN ...    MAYBE  SUPPORTERS HAD A  BIG  HAND  IN THIS  ? ,,,,then he  got  the  money  and  backing  which  now  is  questioned  and  if  he  chooses  your  players at  that  time  it  may  well have  been  such a  different  story  unfolding  ................. TODAY ,, Still to  play  for  pride, still if  nothing  else failure in the  C.C.  COULD  SEAL  HIS  FATE    ......................... To  mighty moyes  try  my  best  1  finger job  at heading for  nearly  seventy  sorry  not up to  scratch  ,but it is  my  best  shot  for  now  .....................

Phil I take your point but don't forget we made the top four at a time when there was a top four - Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea and us - you've also now got City and Spurs in the mix so lets not kid ourselves, we should have been title contenders in those days and we only came close one year when negative tactics cost us the title and we should be title contenders now after have spent just short of 100m in the space of a few months. We've been linked with various superstars over the past few years (Mata, Silva, Villa to name a few)but we've squandered so much on average players. People are now talking of Cavani costing 35m - look what we got for 35m and weep. Houllier, Benitez, Hodgson and Dalglish all responsible for absolute shocking waste. Kenny came in and galvanised a team that had totally lost its way, that was the time when we should have looked at the managerial situation and gone out and brought in the best available (Hiddinck??) and let Kenny carry on in an ambassadorial or consultant's role, now more long-term damage is being done and Kenny could end up losing respect of fans, don't think anyone at LFC wants that to happen.

IKWT (YMCA)

Incidentally guys we currently have 2 key players out suspended and injured, Suarez and Lucas, we also squandered big money on 2 players who could have come in for these players - one who could have filled in for Lucas cost 20m and is currently one of the best players in ITALY starring every week with Milan and playing in the Italian national team. The other, although a free tranfer, was awarded a huge contract and is an England international who is currently starring for Lille every week where he scored a hat-trick 2 weeks ago. What fooking use are these players out on loan, why sell Mereiles to one of our big rivals and then bring in Adam? Shocking decisions - and it goes on and on...

mereiles has been sh1t for chelsea, yous robbed them twice.

haha true

vidou agree, Cole talked about as an England return, might replace Downing, that would be ironic.

Trouble is the likes of Cole, Caroll, Downing, Kuyt, Adam, Henderson et al are on £100k a week.  Who do you sell them to though as noone wants players on those sort of contracts that are garbage.  Whether we like it or not they are likely to be our future

OHOHOHOHO

You reap what you sow... and u sowed ****!

THS - I know I was egging you on last night mate, but you really need to get over this.

Beat City this week and you win a trophy, and I can't see Fergie being too bothered about the FA Cup game next week.

You've also got Suarez coming back shortly after a much needed rest.  His presence alone will lift the club, and with Arsenal and Chelsea not out of sight you are still in with a chance imo.

In my mind's eye I'm seeing you pat THS on the head Sol.

Just an affectionate gesture for a good lad Pand.  I'd even nip his arm, given the chance.

solano thanks but winning the Carling Cup & losing out on the Champions League is the equivalent of losing £50 & finding a fiver.  Problem is that might just keep KD in a job but like others I hope not.  Things will only get worse if it does

If he was playing everyone in their right positions I don't think it would be so infuriating, but he isn't and he hasn't been at any stage this season.  He's not giving the team a chance to play to its potential, regardless of what your views are on Downing, Henderson and Carroll.  What's more, there's absolutely NO excuse for it.  What is the point of spunking a load of cash of players and then asking them to do roles that don't suit them?!?  If you're going to pay over-inflated prices, at least get players to play the positions you're looking to fill.  Square pegs, round holes doesn't work.

stop buyiny $hite english players,shelvy better than downing,adam etc
joke of a club atm imo

Is that the key to it padlock

lol im no genius but even i could have bought better
no pace,no shape,no passion, would like to heatbutt 90% of squad tbh

god i was as down as any1 after yesterday and stoke but lets be honest. did u eva see the team under woy? yesterday was bad but not as bad as blackpool at home blackburn away everton away and i could go on and on. lets have faith apart from carrol his buys aint been that bad. downing is lacking as he plays on the right not the left, enrique is the best 7 mill u will spend eva. adam started too well and is missing lucas and suarez apart from 1 incident is gonna be a hero number 7. henderson started poor and played well apart from last 2 games. look at the fixtures and see where we are after the 2 cup games and next 5 league games. i guarantee it will look a lot more rosy then, chelsea are poor and will come 5th then arsenal and newcastle. we will get 4th and hopefully win the carling and fa cups. very poor thread and if ur an honest scouser you shuld speak honestly and not in anger after 2 bad results

he can take KEN Bates with him

downing cost @20million ffs he is kak even on leftwing
carroll ffs
adam-bad buy
jose ok
henderson-mabey but not a @20million player

downing has no one to aim at as kuyt wont go in the box and luis is about 5 ft7. would you aim for carrrol when he plays dont think so! who wuld replace him then?? steve bruce, mick mccarthy or sum1 else. get a grip

Bellamy was a great sigming .If we could only get a few others with his desire.

I cringe when I watch Kuyt and Carroll - professionals who cannot control a ball, neither of them could trap  a bag of cement, how many times does Kuyt find a team-mate with a pass, ain't checked optifax but his pass-completion is dire, Carroll is worse I don't think he's ever been able to hold onto the ball long enough to qualify for for optifax. They make Heskey look like Messi ffs (don't mean that).

lack of skill this is why we cant beat the smaller clubs

I have to agree. Kenny is a joke. Time for him to go.

yes aint won fck all and wont be in the top 4

I fundamentally disagree THS. I think Liverpool should hand him an extended contract right now.