Have Liverpool improved under Dalglish

never supported Liverpool in my life chap,I can acknowledge Carroll is useful in our game,Torres is not.I never said he matched up to Torres in his one golden season,he may yet score 25 goals in a season.Torres will possibly never play 25 games in a season again.

disagree with you SUSO. He just hit a purple patch infront of goal for newcastle, anyone can have that. I never thought he was any good at newcastle to be honest, never rated him ever and i think that is being proven at liverpool.

bottom line - Tores is w@nk but caroll is worse

Oh Demba, whoa ah whoa,
Oh Demba, whoa ah whoa,
He comes from Senegal,
he's scored more than Carroll,
Oh Demba, whoa ah whoa

I see the point you are making. Shevchenko was worth 30 million at the time, Torres was worth 50 million at the time, whereas Carroll was never a 35 million pound player.

His performances at Newcastle last season made him worth 15 to 20 million max, considering his age, and the inevitable English player tax.

I think the only reason Liverpool signed him was because the new owners didn't want to look weak in their first transfer window in control, having agreed to sell Torres. There was a real feel of desperation about Carroll's transfer.

If Liverpool had waited until the summer, they could have moved for either Aguero or Falcao, who both would have been much better suited to Liverpool's style of play.

Would Aguero have chosen Liverpool over City Suso?

i am sure i read somewhere that liverpool would have had to pay more tax if they did not spend the money from the torres transfer

We wouldn't of got either.We might've been able to persuade Soldado,and i think he should be a target in January,fingers crossed.

you guys should try and get huntelaar! Goal scoring record wherever her plays, UTD were in for him at one time. Exactly what Liverpool need, someone who can score goals

Possibly If Liverpool had moved early in the summer. Aguero is close friends with Maxi, and claimed in an Interview a few years ago that the Champions league win in 2005 was the best night of his life.

Gazo yeah I think that was another factor. Also I think the last January window didn't count towards Finacial fair play.

Fair play mate.  Champions League football is massive in attracting the very best though.

Yeah I think It only could have happened if they moved before City, and wrapped up the deal early. City only moved for Aguero when Tevez started to kick up a fuss.

When Hodgson was sacked we saw Dalgish as our saviour & until the end of the season the good results he got gave us hope.

This year we look no better than we were under Rafa having spent £80m.
Given the recent farcical support of S*arez which has shown the club
in a very poor light, added to the poor results then only matter of
time sadly before Dalglish is also sacked

Easy to say now but Hodgson did great at Fulham, brilliant now at West
Brom then he should have given more time & some money to spend

The Liverpool fans were on Roy's back from day one, he never really had a chance.

Torres was the worst buy because he was woefully out of form for a long period before joining Chelsea. Who pays £50m for a player who has been off form for about a year previous?! Insane.

I think, for that reason, Torres is the worst transfer in history.

Torres really was a desperation buy and Liverpool kopped,£15 mill ahead on the 2 deals and nobody but Torres Mum would say Chelsea got the best deal.

buying the big lump and downing shows poor judgement imo
still team has no shape or real fluency,seems something is wrong at club as never play with confidence of actually scoring goals which is shocking,as far from a proper team as they have been for 20yrs

their fans will be hoping there is an upturn in talk of the big 6 because once they dropped from THE 4 they have never looked like returning to the upper echelons.A solid 6 to 12 outfit nowadays,capable on their as are most Premiership teams but generally toothless and inconsistent. Swansea,Norwich and now Blackburn......Shankly and Paisley must be spitting from beyond.

Improved us infinitely when he took over last Jan. Even though the pressure was off and the only way was up, he still deserves alot of credit for what he did and how he did it.

However, you have to question his judgement now. He sold our best central midfielder in favour of good honest pros who arent up to it. Its almost like he got hold of a team that wouldnt have been his preferred one out of luck and got them playing brilliantly, but has since got it massively wrong in changing that.

Now he has had time to shape 'his' team with his signings we look poor.

Couldnt agree more CCM but as a fellow Liverpool as much as it pains me to say it we are sh*te

How the hell was Meireles our best midfielder????

If football was a non contact sport then maybe! Meireles has been woeful at Chelsea, and only plays well in a second striker role.

....yet lfc fans will defend him with their last breath as they slip deeper into the dark

Suso. I meant midfielder in his position. So you think Henderson, Adam, Spearing, Shelvey are better than Meireles?

He wasn't a centre midfielder though. why do you think he only started to play well when Gerrard got injured and he was allowed to play a more advanced role?

Adam and Henderson are better in central midfield than him. Shelvey is unproven and Spearing plays a much deeper role.

Fallenangel If you think this is dark, this is nothing compared to last season!!

Each to their own, but I always thought he was better alongside Lucas myself. Could dictate the tempo of the game from there and didnt matter he wasant the best tackler as that wasnt his job for me.

And I find it astounding you think Adam and Hendo are better, but as I said, each to their own.

Kenny thinks he's back in the 80's - buying British and defending racism is sooooo 1987

We're 9 points better off than we were at this stage last season. Our football has improved, although it's not been reflected in the goals for column unfortunately. However, the fact that the opposition goalies are now having to work for their money, is a sign that we're on the right track.

Bet we dont come anywhere near our total in the second half this year, as we did last though...

I think he's a good player in that second striker role, but not in the centre of midfield. It's possibly because I'm thinking back to the early part of last season when Raul and Poulsen were playing in the centre. Also one of my Chelsea supporting friends has said how poor he's been for them this season. I don't think you can play Meireles and Gerrard in the same team, the same with Meireles and Lampard.

Adam frustrates me. To his credit it he always shows for the ball, and looks like he wants to influence the game, however sometimes I think he try's too hard too impress.

Liverpool generally play better in the second half of the season. Much will depend on who they sign in January.

Personally I'd have liked Meireles alongside Lucas and Gerrard in the hole ahead of them. But Kenny never played that much. I think that would have worked well. His interplay with the likes of Maxi and Suarez was in a different league to anything Adam and Jendo can do. WE played some of the best footy we have for years in games in the second half of last season and he was instrumental in that. Why we decided to chnage half the side and the way we play, I'll never kniow.

I dont think he;s played that much for Chelsea has he? Dont get me wrong, I'm not trying to make out he was a top player, but he was the best we had at that job for me, and has been replaced by worse options in my eyes.

Still, we are looking for a top class midfielder to replace him, so all may not be lost.

Adam frustrates me too, but mostly because I just dont think he;s good enough. His positional sense is terrible. His corners and set pieces havent even been that good for me. When SG came on today and took that free kick with his very first touch, it was the best of the game by a country mile.

suso buying players left right & centre is part of the problem.  Ok we needed to improve but needs to let the players we've got gel, that's the main problem

The point about Carroll/tax is a fair one - if we'd sat on the money till summer it'd have been swallowed up by the treasury.

That said, Torres had made his displeasure known for long enough you'd have hoped they'd scouted around for a suitable replacement in the meantime, though the change in management may well have thrown a spanner in the works.

If Dalglish genuinely thought Carroll was the best he could buy at that time then it does raise a massive question mark above his head, because absolutely regardless of price tag he just isn't a very good player. And don't even talk about style; Heskey won far more aerial duels than Carroll ever has and I've seen my nan show better movement. He will never ever be good enough for a team looking at a top 4 place.

Forget about a midfielder for now, as despite another poor showing today it's not critical especially if Gerrard can stay fit. We are in absolute desparate need for a striker. Desperate, and they should have scouts despatched to all 4 corners of the globe trying to find one. Our goals against record is as good as anyone's in the division, but we've scored fewer than Bolton. That's why we're struggling as our football has generally been good, though it's been increasingly noticeable of late that they're getting nervous if we don't get a goal early.


As for Meireles: good player; should never have been sold.

as much as I want to see Scotsmen do well in England how Charlie Adam is playing for Liverpool must be up there with man hitting the moon

our league is garbage and fair play to him he's got himself much fitter but he still looks the same player trying to play the hollywood pass whenever he gets the ball

He will never ever be good enough for a team looking at a top 4 place.

I can't see any of the Landan clubs wanting him to be fair.  Don't see your point?

good analysis from THS imo

Yeah that's another reason why Liverpool are struggling, due to the amount of new players coming in. In January, I hope that they just look to bring in a new striker. The rest of the team is ok for now, The only players that I think we should be looking to move on at all are Carroll, Downing and Kuyt.

Liverpool will finish 6th this season. I've thought that for a long time now. It's disappointing considering how poor Chelsea have been and how badly Arsenal started, but I still feel that they are making progress and heading in the right direction overall.

Sol, my point was we shouldn't have signed him in the first place. He didn't show enough as a Newcastle player to warrant it imo and, even if he was a £5m signing I'd still be saying he wasn't good enough for LFC.

take out suarez and reina, who'd get into the chelsea, city, man u, spurs or even arsenal first team?

Just winding you up mate.

Don't buy this whole 'wouldn't be good enough for LFC' crap.  Completely agree you should have got far more for your money, but it's more that his game will never suit the way you want to play.  Confidene looks shot to bits, and he'll be best off out of there.  Question is who will buy him, and how much of a loss KD will accept.  Can genuinely see him ending up somewhere like West Ham on loan.

Liverpool have the worst sqaud i have ever seen and thats all down to "king" kenny

Enrique - Arsenal
Agger - Arsenal, Chelsea
Johnson - Chelsea
Gerrard - take your pick
Lucas - likewise
Maxi - Arsenal (& would be ideal at Chelsea with Mata & Torres)
Kuyt - Arsenal
Carroll - Man City

You may be right about confidence but to be fair to Dalglish he's done everything he could over the last 12 months to big him up and get the very best out of him and has got absolutely nothing back in return.

He really just isn't very good, and apart from half a season at Newcastle never showed too much at your mob either iirc.

gerrard

Easy to say now but Hodgson did great at Fulham, brilliant now at West
Brom then he should have given more time & some money to spend


That is Hodgson's level though . Organizing set pieces etc well enough to finish mid table, which is where  Liverpool would have finished up with him .That style of football has never challenged at the top. I think Liverpool if Hodgson was still there would be like Villa are now.

Dec 26, 2011 -- 10:18PM, ours4keeps wrote:

You may be right about confidence but to be fair to Dalglish he's done everything he could over the last 12 months to big him up and get the very best out of him and has got absolutely nothing back in return.He really just isn't very good, and apart from half a season at Newcastle never showed too much at your mob either iirc.

Have to agree with you hear he is total Garbage..And he

....And he was not eye opening at Newcastle as Ours4Keeps has pointed out !!!

NO! . bring back rafa. with this team, he will take liverpool back to where they belong(top four)

Have to say i think it is difficult to make a case for Liverpool having improved. No doubt Liverpool fans will disagree and this failure will lead to "king kenny" remaining in charge long after he should have been given the boot. Just as what happened with Benitez.

Dec 26, 2011 -- 10:18PM, ours4keeps wrote:

You may be right about confidence but to be fair to Dalglish he's done everything he could over the last 12 months to big him up and get the very best out of him and has got absolutely nothing back in return.He really just isn't very good, and apart from half a season at Newcastle never showed too much at your mob either iirc.

We'll give you £5m, and show you how to get the best out of him.

Pardiola knows.

Lucas, Maxi and Kuyt would most definately NOT get in our first eleven.

Don't buy this whole 'wouldn't be good enough for LFC' crap

Start buying it Solano because its the truth, your Geordie hero is making us a laughing stock, you know nobody rates him at all, Liverpool fans or 'neutrals' think hes garbage, so the fact of the matter is he is NOT good enough for a club of Liverpools magnitude.

Song above Lucas?

Maxi's a fantastic footballer with one of the best footballing brains in the league imo. I actually think he'd be a great player for any of the top sides but given it's Arsenal it's easy to see how he'd get a game there.

As for Kuyt...I'm a fan of Walcott when he's on it and he's actually had a pretty good season but they're crying our for the teamwork he provides that will allow the individuals to carry on with gay abandon.

Dec 26, 2011 -- 10:31PM, cob316 wrote:

Don't buy this whole 'wouldn't be good enough for LFC' crapStart buying it Solano because its the truth, your Geordie hero is making us a laughing stock, you know nobody rates him at all, Liverpool fans or 'neutrals' think hes garbage, so the fact of the matter is he is NOT good enough for a club of Liverpools magnitude.

Bite.

Song has been our best midfielder for a year now. Scores and creates. Which is more than Lucas can do.

Maxi. Surely there's a reason he only plays once a month?

Kuyt. I admire his efforts but he's a workhorse whose career is on the downgrade.

Song above Lucas

Check the last month's fixtures - Maxi's played a lot.

Kuyt - a workhorse, something your team's cried out for for years.


We'll never agree because we each think we've got the prettiest wife but I can see your point of view, as I'm sure you can see mine.

Surely the question should be which Arsenal players would get in the Liverpool side

Just so we're clear bite means your post was a take the piss then?

Do you or do you not buy it that AC is not good enough for Liverpool?

On the basis he's a decent mid-table centre forward (albeit over-priced) he should be fine for Liverpool.

Carroll is only part of the laughing stock cob.  Not the perpetrator of it.

I remember rading a pundits column after Caroll was signed by Liverpool, think it Karren Brady.  The Birmigham board were high fiving each other when they did the £35 million deal for Caroll.

Last year for me Caroll was overrated, now he's underrated.  Tremendous when he's played for England.  The price tag not his fault, it's not rocket science as he's a young lad who needs a long run in the team to get his confidence up & run off the beer

Birmingham equals Newcastle...

It is very rare to come across a scouser with a modicum of common sense and humility.

Your honesty is appreciated THS.

THS/Sol - could you point me to a clip of Carroll being superb for England? I'm not an avid viewer but I can't remember too many rave reviews and Capello's later treatment of him doesn't exactly suggest he pulled up many trees.

Dec 26, 2011 -- 10:51PM, Solano1 wrote:

On the basis he's a decent mid-table centre forward (albeit over-priced) he should be fine for Liverpool.Carroll is only part of the laughing stock cob.  Not the perpetrator of it.

oh ok so I guess I didn't bite then if you  were serious with your original comment, I just pointed you in the direction of the truth, you're getting a bit giddy with Newcastles current lofty position methinks dont be kidded into thinking Liverpool and Newcastle are on the same level.

Oh dear.

Oh shock horror I said something derogatory about Newcastle, another 500 or so more and we'll call it quits....

The Irishman is flustered.

See you at Anfield, Friday night.

I will use your favourite line followed by a smiley , good night.

FOYDC

Come on cob no need for that we're better than that mate.
We've had a bad day a bad run in fact but we dont want to
come across as mard

THS - a breath of fresh air.

Shearer knows.

ths, the jury is out on you I smell something fishy, I'm not even convinced you support Liverpool yet, the AC comment about how you didn't think it would go down well on the LFC thread saying he isn't good enough was a bit odd, you seemed to contradict that here.

And the name seems a bit ironic too, I hereby declare you are part of an alliance with xxxxxxx and Solano, how do you plead?

behave cob, if me being honest comes across as being dishonest then it is up to you to be honest. Leave it out solano, long after youve gone I'll be here so dont cause bother for me mate

From what I saw on MOTD we deserved the points, TF for Gerrard being back, only on a few minutes & all of a sudden we looked a different team.  Caroll needs a goal no question, looked a handful at times.  As much as I like Suarez again fluffed an easy chance.  If he could finish he'd be unbelievable

Verdict.............................Guilty as hell

Dont be a tool all yr life ffs

ours4keeps

Enrique - Arsenal
Agger - Arsenal, Chelsea
Johnson - Chelsea
Gerrard - take your pick
Lucas - likewise
Maxi - Arsenal (& would be ideal at Chelsea with Mata & Torres)
Kuyt - Arsenal
Carroll - Man City

half those wouldn't,and the ones that are arguable would only get into those sides' weakest positions. and they'd immediately be looking to replace them.

VEP - I could easily name you far worse lb's, cb's, rb's & cm's with title medals than those mentioned while the others would be in that list were it not for the fact that they're now getting on and on the wane a bit, so I don't see what your point is.

the only two of those players who any of the named clubs would want in their first teams long term are lucas and maybe maxi somewhere, imo. obviously gerrard in his heyday, but that's long gone.

my point is, the liverpool squad's stuffed with players not good enough to compete at the top level.

liverpool fans in general are very slow on the uptake, it also took them ages to realise houllier was a negative defense orientated plank. dalglish's career has been on the slide since he flopped at newcastle and in his latter time their the team played turgid football. my jaw dropped when dalglish slashed out 35 million (i don't know if commoli has any influence in transfers) for carroll and 20 million for downing. carroll hasn't got either pace or great technique, and downing hasn't got any exceptional qualities, as a player a bit like pennant or etherington and you wouldn't pay 20 million for them. you have to question a managers judgement of a player when those sort of fees are splashed out on mediocrity. to his credit enrique was a snip at 6 million.
another reason i reacted with dismay and bemusement at liverpool's transfer dealings was the style in which the team would play. i wanted to see a fluent dynamic front line to link with the magnificent suarez (for uruguay he is sensational but spends too much time at liverpool in the channels and out wide, i really believe he is top class but is not being used properly, under a manager like redknapp a forward line of bellamy and suarez would be more lethal). it was almost as if downing was bought to service carroll so its a chain of expensive flops. also dalglsih is very one dimensional tactically and has badly underused bellamy and maxi rodriguez. i am afraid 'king' kenny is now a relic in modern football, the best modern teams have fluent, quick and interchanging forward lines and dalglish keeps buying slugs in a team crying out for pace and variety.
its a shame as dalglish has a wave of support which can generate great momentum through a club and there's no question the team will run through brick walls for him. also some of the play in midfield is good but the problem is a lack of cutting edge and variety and when bolton and blackburn have scored more goals its embarassing.

The support for Dalglish looks to be on the wane at last.

They're certainly funnier than they ever were under Rafa or Roy. Back then, errors in the transfer market were relatively low key.

viva el presidente!     27 Dec 11 00:22 
the only two of those players who any of the named clubs would want in their first teams long term are lucas and maybe maxi somewhere, imo. obviously gerrard in his heyday, but that's long gone.

my point is, the liverpool squad's stuffed with players not good enough to compete at the top level.


Agree to the core

Having a pop at the players now?

How about taking a look in the mirror and start realising you are picking this sh1te.

Players not ready to start the game?

How come the coaching staff didn't notice that before the game?

Not only picking them CCM - signing them.
5 out of the 11 yesterday I think.

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Improved us infinitely when he took over last Jan. Even though the pressure was off and the only way was up, he still deserves alot of credit for what he did and how he did it.

However, you have to question his judgement now. He sold our best central midfielder in favour of good honest pros who arent up to it. Its almost like he got hold of a team that wouldnt have been his preferred one out of luck and got them playing brilliantly, but has since got it massively wrong in changing that.

Now he has had time to shape 'his' team with his signings we look poor.





This post just about sums it up in my opinion. Dalglish did a good job, perhaps a honeymoon period, with the squad of players he inherited but his signings have been, at best, very poor yet he doesn't seem to be able to accept the majority aren't up to the job and perseveres with them and when things aren't working he just shuffles them to a different position!

Dec 26, 2011 -- 6:06PM, chelseapremierleaguechamps2010 wrote:

Benithez did alot of damage at anifield the team has been improving since.

yes it has:

benitez midfield: Mascherano, Alonso, Gerrard (prime)

Kennys: Adam, Henderson, Gerrard (past it)

yep, its been improving all right!

feck me any other manager would be out by now even if they'd won a carling cup
anyone saying Hodgson's reign was worse needs to take off the red specs.
Playing good football.....can see the improvement.......far better off than before.....not getting the rub of the green ...blah, blah, blah 

Nilsson Schmilsson     26 Dec 11 16:56 
away from like giggs, yes by miles

Is the pope jewish?

Since january Liverpool have picked up fewer points than any other prem team.

Concentrating on the cups and kit deals  no doubt. All is well...

Improved in style of play - Yes 100%

Overall Ambition to win games - Yes 100%

Where we want and would like to be as fans - Of Course not.

Playing better football than we had under Rafa - Yes 60%

Tactically - Not for me

Substitutions - Not for me....and this has probably one of the worst things with Kenny esp recently!

Use of Gerrard in Midfield - No.

tendy

they have gone right downhill

end of .....

lost 6 league games in a row

when has  that ever happened?
gone totally backward

they remind me of Manu 1990, no where near league material but cup winners, heading in the right direction imo.  Lucas back and a decent finisher next season could improve things considerably.

not could they will!

1-Gerrard fit from the start
2-any if assume the new mids cannot get any worse(this will be better for us next season!)


A creative midfielder with some pace would be fantastic too but at the moment its hard to see who.

They are an abysmal side to watch the majority of the time, hoofball will be the order for next season!

So with a full season under his belt and the Carling Cup won but an abysmal showing in the Premier League have Liverpool improved under his 'leadership'?

No and deep down all liverpool fans know it...

So that's a resounding NO then