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Ayo, with the US Open main draw starting on Monday it's time for y'all to get yourselves some mad props by participating in this fire comp and winning it. Going into the tournament we have snowynoon and SamuelMertens with two titles each on the year so far, trailed by Blencathra and stocks with one each.
HOW TO PLAY:
Rule changes compared to Wimbledon - None (Veterans need not necessarily read the below):
Basic rules:
For each day of play, pick one player that you think will win their match. If your player wins, you advance to the next day and get to pick again. If your player loses, you are out. Each player can only be chosen once over the course of the tournament. The picks continue every day until only one person is left, everyone has been eliminated, or the tournament has finished. Each pick has to be submitted before the relevant match starts and once you've submitted the pick, you are stuck with it unless the match did not happen due to a prematch withdrawal. In that case you get to submit a new pick. That's the basic rules already.
Tiebreaker:
If multiple people go out on the same day and no-one remains, these last people to go out submit their best educated judgements regarding the outcome of the final match of the tournament - winner of the final, amount of sets lost by the winner, amount of games lost by the winner, points won by the winner. Judged also in that order. If both are the same in winner, then we go to sets. If both also had the same number of sets, then we go to games. If that's also still the same or the same difference to the actual number, then points won. That should hopefully always lead to a conclusion.
To enable that, those tiebreaker judgements will be sent to me per private message (or maybe X in some cases) instead of being publically announced in the thread. If the tiebreaker involves me, we'd have to find someone else who accepts the private messages, but I'm positive that will not be a problem.
Onto the cases:
Case: A pick I made became invalid because the match didn't happen due to a withdrawal. I have a life and don't sit on the computer all day to monitor such things, so wasn't able to submit a replacement pick. Am I screwed?
Decision: No, there is a backup solution. The last to start eligible favourite (I will use average odds on tennisexplorer.com) of the day is automatically entered for you. Eligible means player that had not been picked yet on a previous day.
Case: There was a retirement. Does the pick still count?
Decision: Yes, picks count the moment 1 ball has been played in the match.
Case: I looked at the wrong schedule and picked a player that doesn't even play. What now?
Decision: Please submit a new pick.
Case: A lot of matches were rescheduled for the next day due to rain. Can I pick from those on the new day?
Decision: No, rescheduled matches are not eligible to be picked from. If this situation arises, I will try to post a list of ineligible matches.
Case: I have the same amount of winning picks as someone else, but I ran out of picks whereas the other person was able to make another pick (which then lost). What happens?
Decision: The other person finishes ahead of you. Think of it this way. The moment you ran out of picks to make, you navigated your bicycle into a big mountain of dung. You are unharmed, but you cannot continue your ride on the bike. The other person only rode their bike into the pile of dung the moment their pick lost, which is a long time after you did it. Therefore the other person made it further and gets to finish ahead of you.
Case: I have a great suggestion for the comp. Am I allowed to tell you and others?
Decision: Sure, suggestions are always welcome!
At the end, glory, lots of forum cred, and an entry into the competition's Hall of Fame awaits the ultimate winner. The Hall of Fame can be found at:
https://community.betfair.com/tennis/go/thread/view/94186/30945693/suicide-pool-winners-throughout-the-years
I hope that covers everything. If there are any additional questions, feel free to ask.
HOW TO PLAY:
Rule changes compared to Wimbledon - None (Veterans need not necessarily read the below):
Basic rules:
For each day of play, pick one player that you think will win their match. If your player wins, you advance to the next day and get to pick again. If your player loses, you are out. Each player can only be chosen once over the course of the tournament. The picks continue every day until only one person is left, everyone has been eliminated, or the tournament has finished. Each pick has to be submitted before the relevant match starts and once you've submitted the pick, you are stuck with it unless the match did not happen due to a prematch withdrawal. In that case you get to submit a new pick. That's the basic rules already.
Tiebreaker:
If multiple people go out on the same day and no-one remains, these last people to go out submit their best educated judgements regarding the outcome of the final match of the tournament - winner of the final, amount of sets lost by the winner, amount of games lost by the winner, points won by the winner. Judged also in that order. If both are the same in winner, then we go to sets. If both also had the same number of sets, then we go to games. If that's also still the same or the same difference to the actual number, then points won. That should hopefully always lead to a conclusion.
To enable that, those tiebreaker judgements will be sent to me per private message (or maybe X in some cases) instead of being publically announced in the thread. If the tiebreaker involves me, we'd have to find someone else who accepts the private messages, but I'm positive that will not be a problem.
Onto the cases:
Case: A pick I made became invalid because the match didn't happen due to a withdrawal. I have a life and don't sit on the computer all day to monitor such things, so wasn't able to submit a replacement pick. Am I screwed?
Decision: No, there is a backup solution. The last to start eligible favourite (I will use average odds on tennisexplorer.com) of the day is automatically entered for you. Eligible means player that had not been picked yet on a previous day.
Case: There was a retirement. Does the pick still count?
Decision: Yes, picks count the moment 1 ball has been played in the match.
Case: I looked at the wrong schedule and picked a player that doesn't even play. What now?
Decision: Please submit a new pick.
Case: A lot of matches were rescheduled for the next day due to rain. Can I pick from those on the new day?
Decision: No, rescheduled matches are not eligible to be picked from. If this situation arises, I will try to post a list of ineligible matches.
Case: I have the same amount of winning picks as someone else, but I ran out of picks whereas the other person was able to make another pick (which then lost). What happens?
Decision: The other person finishes ahead of you. Think of it this way. The moment you ran out of picks to make, you navigated your bicycle into a big mountain of dung. You are unharmed, but you cannot continue your ride on the bike. The other person only rode their bike into the pile of dung the moment their pick lost, which is a long time after you did it. Therefore the other person made it further and gets to finish ahead of you.
Case: I have a great suggestion for the comp. Am I allowed to tell you and others?
Decision: Sure, suggestions are always welcome!
At the end, glory, lots of forum cred, and an entry into the competition's Hall of Fame awaits the ultimate winner. The Hall of Fame can be found at:
https://community.betfair.com/tennis/go/thread/view/94186/30945693/suicide-pool-winners-throughout-the-years
I hope that covers everything. If there are any additional questions, feel free to ask.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect
Through to day 3:
aaronh: Krejcikova, Krueger
Anubis8: Badosa, Krueger
Blencathra: Stearns, Krueger
edy: Kalinina, Ponchet
GRANTCKING: Kalinina, Krueger
Journeyman: Stearns, Krueger
mesmerised: Vekic, Wozniacki
SamuelMertensBertens: Ruse, Krueger
snowynoon: Krejcikova, Pavlyuchenkova
wisewords: Svitolina, Krueger
Out on day 2:
Dolehide def. Wimbledon 2024 champ stocks
aaronh: Krejcikova, Krueger
Anubis8: Badosa, Krueger
Blencathra: Stearns, Krueger
edy: Kalinina, Ponchet
GRANTCKING: Kalinina, Krueger
Journeyman: Stearns, Krueger
mesmerised: Vekic, Wozniacki
SamuelMertensBertens: Ruse, Krueger
snowynoon: Krejcikova, Pavlyuchenkova
wisewords: Svitolina, Krueger
Out on day 2:
Dolehide def. Wimbledon 2024 champ stocks
I don't like doing down women's tennis, but it just wouldn't happen in the mens', you won Wimbledon Babora and yet lost in Round 2 to some Random Romanian plodder who wouldn't be recognised in her local Tesco, then again, neither would Babs
Aug 28, 2024 -- 7:13PM, mesmerised wrote:
I don't like doing down women's tennis, but it just wouldn't happen in the mens', you won Wimbledon Babora and yet lost in Round 2 to some Random Romanian plodder who wouldn't be recognised in her local Tesco, then again, neither would Babs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FcmX1uAlYQ&t=71s
Through to day 4:
aaronh: Krejcikova, Krueger, Kostyuk
Anubis8: Badosa, Krueger, Kostyuk
Blencathra: Stearns, Krueger, Keys
edy: Kalinina, Ponchet, Alexandrova
GRANTCKING: Kalinina, Krueger, Keys
Journeyman: Stearns, Krueger, Navarro
SamuelMertensBertens: Ruse, Krueger, Keys
snowynoon: Krejcikova, Pavlyuchenkova, Alexandrova
Out on day 3:
Ruse def. mesmerised, wisewords
aaronh: Krejcikova, Krueger, Kostyuk
Anubis8: Badosa, Krueger, Kostyuk
Blencathra: Stearns, Krueger, Keys
edy: Kalinina, Ponchet, Alexandrova
GRANTCKING: Kalinina, Krueger, Keys
Journeyman: Stearns, Krueger, Navarro
SamuelMertensBertens: Ruse, Krueger, Keys
snowynoon: Krejcikova, Pavlyuchenkova, Alexandrova
Out on day 3:
Ruse def. mesmerised, wisewords
Btw I'm pretty sure I'm the only player to have picked Stearns.
Doesn't make much difference just now but pointing it out to avoid potential confusion later on.
Doesn't make much difference just now but pointing it out to avoid potential confusion later on.
Has anyone ever seen Stearns and Svitolina together? I think they are the same person.
Through to day 5:
Anubis8: Badosa, Krueger, Kostyuk, Potapova
edy: Kalinina, Ponchet, Alexandrova, Kalinskaya
GRANTCKING: Kalinina, Krueger, Keys, Potapova
Journeyman: Stearns, Krueger, Navarro, Kalinskaya
SamuelMertensBertens: Ruse, Krueger, Keys, Wozniacki
snowynoon: Krejcikova, Pavlyuchenkova, Alexandrova, Potapova
Out on day 4:
Errani def. aaronh
Bouzas Maneiro def. Blencathra
Anubis8: Badosa, Krueger, Kostyuk, Potapova
edy: Kalinina, Ponchet, Alexandrova, Kalinskaya
GRANTCKING: Kalinina, Krueger, Keys, Potapova
Journeyman: Stearns, Krueger, Navarro, Kalinskaya
SamuelMertensBertens: Ruse, Krueger, Keys, Wozniacki
snowynoon: Krejcikova, Pavlyuchenkova, Alexandrova, Potapova
Out on day 4:
Errani def. aaronh
Bouzas Maneiro def. Blencathra
Can't get much closer than a matchpoint! It was worth a try.
GL everyone left.
GL everyone left.
Thanks JM. Gutsy play that almost came off.
Through to day 6:
Anubis8: Badosa, Krueger, Kostyuk, Potapova, Q. Zheng
edy: Kalinina, Ponchet, Alexandrova, Kalinskaya, Q. Zheng
GRANTCKING: Kalinina, Krueger, Keys, Potapova, Badosa
SamuelMertensBertens: Ruse, Krueger, Keys, Wozniacki, Badosa
snowynoon: Krejcikova, Pavlyuchenkova, Alexandrova, Potapova, Badosa
Out on day 5:
Badosa's iron will def. Journeyman
Through to day 6:
Anubis8: Badosa, Krueger, Kostyuk, Potapova, Q. Zheng
edy: Kalinina, Ponchet, Alexandrova, Kalinskaya, Q. Zheng
GRANTCKING: Kalinina, Krueger, Keys, Potapova, Badosa
SamuelMertensBertens: Ruse, Krueger, Keys, Wozniacki, Badosa
snowynoon: Krejcikova, Pavlyuchenkova, Alexandrova, Potapova, Badosa
Out on day 5:
Badosa's iron will def. Journeyman
Through to day 7:
Anubis8: Badosa, Krueger, Kostyuk, Potapova, Q. Zheng, Wozniacki
edy: Kalinina, Ponchet, Alexandrova, Kalinskaya, Q. Zheng, Shnaider
GRANTCKING: Kalinina, Krueger, Keys, Potapova, Badosa, Shnaider
SamuelMertensBertens: Ruse, Krueger, Keys, Wozniacki, Badosa, Shnaider
snowynoon: Krejcikova, Pavlyuchenkova, Alexandrova, Potapova, Badosa, Shnaider
Anubis8: Badosa, Krueger, Kostyuk, Potapova, Q. Zheng, Wozniacki
edy: Kalinina, Ponchet, Alexandrova, Kalinskaya, Q. Zheng, Shnaider
GRANTCKING: Kalinina, Krueger, Keys, Potapova, Badosa, Shnaider
SamuelMertensBertens: Ruse, Krueger, Keys, Wozniacki, Badosa, Shnaider
snowynoon: Krejcikova, Pavlyuchenkova, Alexandrova, Potapova, Badosa, Shnaider
Through to day 8:
Anubis8: Badosa, Krueger, Kostyuk, Potapova, Q. Zheng, Wozniacki, Sabalenka
edy: Kalinina, Ponchet, Alexandrova, Kalinskaya, Q. Zheng, Shnaider, Badosa
GRANTCKING: Kalinina, Krueger, Keys, Potapova, Badosa, Shnaider, Q. Zheng
SamuelMertensBertens: Ruse, Krueger, Keys, Wozniacki, Badosa, Shnaider, Q. Zheng
Out on day 7:
Navarro def. snowynoon
Anubis8: Badosa, Krueger, Kostyuk, Potapova, Q. Zheng, Wozniacki, Sabalenka
edy: Kalinina, Ponchet, Alexandrova, Kalinskaya, Q. Zheng, Shnaider, Badosa
GRANTCKING: Kalinina, Krueger, Keys, Potapova, Badosa, Shnaider, Q. Zheng
SamuelMertensBertens: Ruse, Krueger, Keys, Wozniacki, Badosa, Shnaider, Q. Zheng
Out on day 7:
Navarro def. snowynoon
Fully expected you to take Iga. It's what I was planning on doing if you had blinked and taken Pegula before I did.
That did cross my mind, but I have a pretty good feeling about BHM, or rather I don't think much these Woz these days, especially in long matches which BHM loves. If she pulls it off I keep my options open for Iga/Jess should that happen and I am still alive by that point. But yeah I generally don't like to take even shots this early in the comp.
Through to day 9:
Anubis8: Badosa, Krueger, Kostyuk, Potapova, Q. Zheng, Wozniacki, Sabalenka, Pegula
edy: Kalinina, Ponchet, Alexandrova, Kalinskaya, Q. Zheng, Shnaider, Badosa, Pegula
GRANTCKING: Kalinina, Krueger, Keys, Potapova, Badosa, Shnaider, Q. Zheng, Pegula
SamuelMertensBertens: Ruse, Krueger, Keys, Wozniacki, Badosa, Shnaider, Q. Zheng, Haddad Maia
Anubis8: Badosa, Krueger, Kostyuk, Potapova, Q. Zheng, Wozniacki, Sabalenka, Pegula
edy: Kalinina, Ponchet, Alexandrova, Kalinskaya, Q. Zheng, Shnaider, Badosa, Pegula
GRANTCKING: Kalinina, Krueger, Keys, Potapova, Badosa, Shnaider, Q. Zheng, Pegula
SamuelMertensBertens: Ruse, Krueger, Keys, Wozniacki, Badosa, Shnaider, Q. Zheng, Haddad Maia
Yes, I'm hoping to wake up in the morning to my trophy.
Through to day 10:
Anubis8: Badosa, Krueger, Kostyuk, Potapova, Q. Zheng, Wozniacki, Sabalenka, Pegula, Navarro
edy: Kalinina, Ponchet, Alexandrova, Kalinskaya, Q. Zheng, Shnaider, Badosa, Pegula, Sabalenka
GRANTCKING: Kalinina, Krueger, Keys, Potapova, Badosa, Shnaider, Q. Zheng, Pegula, Sabalenka
SamuelMertensBertens: Ruse, Krueger, Keys, Wozniacki, Badosa, Shnaider, Q. Zheng, Haddad Maia, Sabalenka
Anubis8: Badosa, Krueger, Kostyuk, Potapova, Q. Zheng, Wozniacki, Sabalenka, Pegula, Navarro
edy: Kalinina, Ponchet, Alexandrova, Kalinskaya, Q. Zheng, Shnaider, Badosa, Pegula, Sabalenka
GRANTCKING: Kalinina, Krueger, Keys, Potapova, Badosa, Shnaider, Q. Zheng, Pegula, Sabalenka
SamuelMertensBertens: Ruse, Krueger, Keys, Wozniacki, Badosa, Shnaider, Q. Zheng, Haddad Maia, Sabalenka
Sorry, Anubis8, you'll have to endure us for at least one more day.
TB gives you about 25% chance of winning. Going for BHM today gives you a 26.6% chance of winning if you believe the odds are correct. Then there's of course the scenario where Muchova wins and Iga loses which would favor me in case we all pick Muchova since I would be only one left with the Pegula option.
Tiebreaker gives me a far bigger chance with my expert knowledge.
Like recently when wisewords asked how many games Shibahara would win against Iga. Who said "1"? I did!
Didn't you see how shrewd I was with the BK/Paolini one? Although my brain could be very fried from all the thinking I've had to do these two weeks.
You know your hipster players, I will give you that.
You seem rather eager to talk me out of playing for the draw. Someone doth protest too much because they must be scared of having to compete against me in a tiebreaker.
Let's say Muchova wins today.
For Friday edy, grant both go Navarro and anubis and I go Iga.
Navarro and Iga both win.
anubis will then be out cause he has no picks left, but for the final edy and grant go Iga and I go Navarro.
If Navarro wins I will then win, but if Iga wins it's a tie between Edy and Grant. But the final will already have been played. In this scenario are Edy and Grant co-winners because they both made it to the end or do we still use a tiebreaker to determine a sole winner?
Should in this case tiebreaker be posted before the final just to break up the tie in needed? Of course if Navarro wins these tiebreaker picks will not matter.
I personally think a shared joy is a joy doubled in this case, but I don't think this exact scenario was addressed.
For Friday edy, grant both go Navarro and anubis and I go Iga.
Navarro and Iga both win.
anubis will then be out cause he has no picks left, but for the final edy and grant go Iga and I go Navarro.
If Navarro wins I will then win, but if Iga wins it's a tie between Edy and Grant. But the final will already have been played. In this scenario are Edy and Grant co-winners because they both made it to the end or do we still use a tiebreaker to determine a sole winner?
Should in this case tiebreaker be posted before the final just to break up the tie in needed? Of course if Navarro wins these tiebreaker picks will not matter.
I personally think a shared joy is a joy doubled in this case, but I don't think this exact scenario was addressed.
It was addressed in the original questionnaire as a draft of the rule
https://community.betfair.com/tennis/go/thread/view/94186/31805061/mouse-trap-trophy-rule-questionnaire
and then the first version of the rule at last year's US Open
https://community.betfair.com/tennis/go/thread/view/94186/31814989/2023-us-open-mouse-trap-trophy-formerly-suicide-comp-womens-edition
Rule changes compared to Wimbledon - 2:
1) To determine a single winner at the end of the comp, a tiebreaker is introduced in case all remaining participants go out on the same day. The concerned parties submit their best educated judgement regarding the outcome of the final match of the tournament - winner, amount of sets lost by the winner, amount of games lost by the winner. Judged also in that order. If both are the same in winner, then we go to sets. If both also had the same number of sets, then we go to games.
To enable that, those tiebreaker judgements will be sent to me per private message(or maybe twitter in some cases) instead of being publically announced in the thread. If the tiebreaker involves me, we'd have to find someone else who accepts the private messages, but I'm positive that will not be a problem.
If the situation arises that two heroic people make it all the way to the final match of the tournament, something we've never had I think, but you never know, and they can theoretically tie, then those judgements will also be sent to the host.
but I removed it when I phrased it as a general rule afterwards instead of as a rule change as it simply wasn't going to happen, right?
https://community.betfair.com/tennis/go/thread/view/94186/31805061/mouse-trap-trophy-rule-questionnaire
and then the first version of the rule at last year's US Open
https://community.betfair.com/tennis/go/thread/view/94186/31814989/2023-us-open-mouse-trap-trophy-formerly-suicide-comp-womens-edition
Rule changes compared to Wimbledon - 2:
1) To determine a single winner at the end of the comp, a tiebreaker is introduced in case all remaining participants go out on the same day. The concerned parties submit their best educated judgement regarding the outcome of the final match of the tournament - winner, amount of sets lost by the winner, amount of games lost by the winner. Judged also in that order. If both are the same in winner, then we go to sets. If both also had the same number of sets, then we go to games.
To enable that, those tiebreaker judgements will be sent to me per private message(or maybe twitter in some cases) instead of being publically announced in the thread. If the tiebreaker involves me, we'd have to find someone else who accepts the private messages, but I'm positive that will not be a problem.
If the situation arises that two heroic people make it all the way to the final match of the tournament, something we've never had I think, but you never know, and they can theoretically tie, then those judgements will also be sent to the host.
but I removed it when I phrased it as a general rule afterwards instead of as a rule change as it simply wasn't going to happen, right?
yeah no-one's picking Navarro tomorrow, but it's good that this has already been addressed then :)
I also think picks is a better word than judgements 
Will try to remember to maybe include it in the special cases at the bottom of the introductory post.....but that is already so long.....
Maybe I should split it in two for the future. A nice and short accessible opening post followed by the special cases in an extra post.
Maybe I should split it in two for the future. A nice and short accessible opening post followed by the special cases in an extra post.
I don't think you need to add. Just mention it if's a possibility by mid/late 2nd week and refer to the thread where this was originally discussed.
Maybe I should split it in two for the future. A nice and short accessible opening post followed by the special cases in an extra post.
this would also work with a link or have it in spoiler tags.
Maybe I should split it in two for the future. A nice and short accessible opening post followed by the special cases in an extra post.
this would also work with a link or have it in spoiler tags.
We all march on!
Anubis will need Iga to win tonight or he's stuck in the dung.
Anubis will need Iga to win tonight or he's stuck in the dung.
Getting to write
Dung hill def. Anubis8
later tonight sounds enticing even if I wish Anubis all the best luck.
Dung hill def. Anubis8
later tonight sounds enticing even if I wish Anubis all the best luck.
Through to day 11:
edy: Kalinina, Ponchet, Alexandrova, Kalinskaya, Q. Zheng, Shnaider, Badosa, Pegula, Sabalenka, Muchova
GRANTCKING: Kalinina, Krueger, Keys, Potapova, Badosa, Shnaider, Q. Zheng, Pegula, Sabalenka, Muchova
SamuelMertensBertens: Ruse, Krueger, Keys, Wozniacki, Badosa, Shnaider, Q. Zheng, Haddad Maia, Sabalenka, Muchova
Out after day 10:
Dung hill def. Anubis8
edy: Kalinina, Ponchet, Alexandrova, Kalinskaya, Q. Zheng, Shnaider, Badosa, Pegula, Sabalenka, Muchova
GRANTCKING: Kalinina, Krueger, Keys, Potapova, Badosa, Shnaider, Q. Zheng, Pegula, Sabalenka, Muchova
SamuelMertensBertens: Ruse, Krueger, Keys, Wozniacki, Badosa, Shnaider, Q. Zheng, Haddad Maia, Sabalenka, Muchova
Out after day 10:
Dung hill def. Anubis8
Grant will have to as well.
We have our own Battle of the Billionaire Daughters here, although I don't know if Ben is that rich.
So:
Pegula/Sabalenka = I win
Pegula/Navarro = I win, because you will all be stuck in the dung
Navarro/Muchova = Grant/Edy tie
Sabalenka/Muchova = threeway tie.
We have our own Battle of the Billionaire Daughters here, although I don't know if Ben is that rich.
So:
Pegula/Sabalenka = I win
Pegula/Navarro = I win, because you will all be stuck in the dung
Navarro/Muchova = Grant/Edy tie
Sabalenka/Muchova = threeway tie.
Grant has confirmed to me that he would like to take Navarro.
Foiled by Iga's dung hill
Good luck all for the semis.
Good luck all for the semis.
Need to sort this shared wins nonsense, should be one winner somehow. You don't see players sharing grand slams in singles do you.
so there's no more sharing titles, according to Caramba's post, there could be ties.
Edy sorted it out. The majority agree with you that it's just better with one winner. Caramba hankers after the day of the 'shared joy' but these days are gone.
Caramba just meant to say there are scenarios where the tiebreaker would come into place.
A US Open sweep and four titles in a single season.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7xIt-tnxcw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7xIt-tnxcw
Thanks. Was fun and stressful two weeks. And as always thanks edy for hosting the comps.
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