*** Djokovic v Alcaraz -July 14th - Wimbledon final 2024 ***

Around 2011 or so, before Andy had even won a Slam, I said he was one of the top 10 best tennis players ever on the pure basis of hanging with the other Big 4. I was laughed at at the time, but I stand by the opinion I had at the time and he obviously made even more of a case for this in upcoming years.

Probably a little bit early to count Novak out just weeks after surgery, but the more alarming problem is that he hasn't looked good all year.

yep, he was the only player who could compete and live with them. Wawrinka tried but never came as consistently close as Murray.

I thought Novak would win today because he'd bring his A game when it mattered and wouldn't be here if he wasn't 100% because surely he'd know anything less and he wouldn't beat Carlos, not over yet though but I don't like his body language, he seems a bit resigned to defeat, not getting angry, no demostrative behaviour, again not a good sign.

his movement is very poor

Novak was poor in the final last year, shocking against Sinner in Aus. If things stay as is here it certainly looks like his time has come, sooner than I thought it would. Unless of course the knee is giving him issues here. He doesn't seem to be moving 100% to me at all personally.

Alcaraz wants to win in 3, get all the media malarky over and down with, shoot some madatory pics with Barboba and then go home and watc Spain beat England

shaking his bonce, I think he's injured

"I told you this was going to be a good day for Spain. Tonight it will be even easier" says Carlos in his postmatch interview, revealing the nice guy attitude was just a ruse. The crowd gasps and Charlotte rushes off in tears.

This is a beat down.
1.13 for Carlos looks free money.

I'd say it's actually sad to witness, Murray did the right thing, eventually, and retired knowing he couldn't cut it at the top level anymore, though I could have told him that 5 years ago

Seems like he's trying to shorten the points, which would suggest he's not feeling 100%.

movement after that overhead wasn't good.

Has there ever been a tap in a GS final? Not saying it will happen at all, no chance, but just out of interest.

yeah, Edberg once in Australia. Henin also Australia.

There's no way back for Novak, he looks like he's barely trying, everything is half paced

Your memory is superb, well played!

what is a tap in ?

those are the ones I know of. There might have been something from the 80's and earlier before my time.

Yes, Henin against Mauresmo 2006 AO.

I miss Henin, what a player Mauresmo too

6-2 6-2 is insane. Against Novak. Strange to witness this.

What is A TAP IN

Jul 14, 2024 -- 3:23PM, Wesdag wrote:

This is a beat down.1.13 for Carlos looks free money.

Daniil vs Rafa. No such thing as free money! But doesn't look good!

tap is when you give up.
From MMA, the sport of Jenna Jameson's ex Tito Ortiz.

oh a retirement

Isn't that called a 'tap out', not a tap in

A tap is when a player quits ,term comes from wrestling where a wrestler would tap the floor to indicate a submission.

Jul 14, 2024 -- 3:30PM, mesmerised wrote:

Isn't that called a 'tap out', not a tap in

It's just called a "tap" in tennis

They've "tapped" or they've "tapped out" never they've "tapped in" - correct!

I think tap or tap out, the in was for "in a Grand Slam final".

Jul 14, 2024 -- 3:30PM, snowynoon wrote:

A tap is when a player quits ,term comes from wrestling where a wrestler would tap the floor to indicate a submission.

it's from MMA, wrestling took it from MMA. It's not really used in tennis other than phorum lingo here.

I've been watching tennis for over 20 years and never heard that term in the sport before, heard it in MMA though

Jul 14, 2024 -- 3:32PM, mesmerised wrote:

I've been watching tennis for over 20 years and never heard that term in the sport before, heard it in MMA though

It's only used on this forum. It's like the youth saying peng, we don't see this in books but they say it!

RE Hennin v Mauresmo in 2006

I've always thought that Henin knew she was going to lose becaue of the scoreline and because of how she felt, taking treatment for a shoulder injury throughout the tournament, but could have carried on til the end - but because she didn't like Amelia, she took away her moment for her first Grand Slam win but not having that euphoric moment at match point, and so jusst retired.

https://www.tennis-x.com/xblog/2008-04-26/436.php
used outside the phorum as early as 2008

Sam ,I remember people tapping in submission in wrestling in the 1970s watching on TV before MMA was invented,it's from wrestling.

wow !!!!!

Rafa ???

ah, you mean wrestling, not pro wrestling. Sorry about my confusion, I was referring to pro wrestling because that's what people usually mean when they say wrestling.

or British pro wrestling from 70's?

wow !!!

I'm not a wrestling fan ,the stuff they used to show on TV in the 70s , with Mick McManus,Jackie Pallo, Giant Haystacks etc ,if a guy was in a hold tha was too painful he would submit by tapping the floor .

I remember coz my best friend was a wrestling fan and used to practice the moves he saw on TV against me , and I used to tap the floor to get him off me

ah, that's British pro wrestling. Interesting. The tap out in pro wrestling in North America was only popularized in 1997 or so.

...but...but....aren't there always disclaimers to not do the moves at home?

Impressive stat shown there, if Carlos wins his 4th slam, he'll be only th 4th player to win 4 slams before they were 21, Borg, Wilander and Becker

Jul 14, 2024 -- 4:01PM, edy wrote:

...but...but....aren't there always disclaimers to not do the moves at home?

might not have been in the 70's They probably only started showing those disclaimers after reports of children like snowynoon had wrestling moves done to them at home.

Novak fighting.

Alcaraz smashing these first serves

This was the Novak I was expecting to see all match.

Jul 14, 2024 -- 4:02PM, mesmerised wrote:

Impressive stat shown there, if Carlos wins his 4th slam, he'll be only th 4th player to win 4 slams before they were 21, Borg, Wilander and Becker

none of them reached 30 Slams. Borg and Wilander both lost motivation around the age of 25.

Not in those days,the Boston Crab ,the Half Nelson etc he took great delight in trying them out on me

Carlos won't win many slams up against Felix, Rune, Rublev, Shapo and co.

Carlos doesn't strike me as the type to be seduced by cocaine.

Does this mug finally realise he's in a grand slam final

Was that Emma standing next to Iga?

oh well, 3 break points

oh boy

Bring back Goran

Bring back the 3 Gorans

Carlos has just upped his level this tournament superbly. Looked awful at times versus Frances especially.

Federer beat Roddick in 3 Wimbledon finals, Novak beat Federer in 3 Wimbledon finals, Alcaraz will beat Novak in 3 Wimbledon finals, see you next year.

6            £1,410.20
6.2            £4,641.71
6.4            £6,706.98
6.6        £1.30    £2,768.46

3-0 Set backers in clover !

Novak to retire after this match !

Don't think Novak will be in another Wimbledon final. Draw won't be so kind to him and a year at his age is a big gap, time waits for no one, even GOATs !

Djokovic has been struggling to move in this whole match.  Cannot push off from the right leg.  The injury has taken it's toll

He'll be playing Paris Olympics, might have a chance in best of 3

1000            £1,738.13

Carlos' has got tight, serveing turned to pot

SCENES

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Clap !

£2,000,000 someone has at 1000.0 on Novak when it went to deuce

Carlos should be lifting the trophy already

let's hope the 1000 backers wants to lock in some profit and create some nice arbs for me.

Jul 14, 2024 -- 4:22PM, Angela Rebecchi wrote:

£2,000,000 someone has at 1000.0 on Novak when it went to deuce

No one else surprised by this !?

Carlos needs to regroup very quickly or could be the worst loss in history.

Biggest choke ever if loses from here.

Jul 14, 2024 -- 4:25PM, Angela Rebecchi wrote:

Jul 14, 2024 --  4:22PM, Angela Rebecchi wrote:£2,000,000 someone has at 1000.0 on Novak when it went to deuceNo one else surprised by this !?

yes

I got a lot at 240, then someone else was matched at 1000 later even though the point went Novaks way (real pics player with too much money thinking Alcaraz made the put away)

Four slams down, 26 to go

Superb from Carlos to hold his nerve. Never seen anything like it with regards the market when he was serving for the match initially. Huge errors from the money buyers

The box climb is so old now , can't they just wait till later to hug everyone.

I'd say it'a about 1.05 he mentions the football match tonight or the interviewer shoe-horns it in.

Jul 14, 2024 -- 4:41PM, mesmerised wrote:

I'd say it'a about 1.05 he mentions the football match tonight or the interviewer shoe-horns it in.

without a doubt!

did you get any of the 240 or 1000 mes ?

Carlos checking the time

Croft wants a piece of the Carlos.

Passing of the torch feel to today's game - seems like Novak feels that too.

Jul 14, 2024 -- 4:44PM, Angela Rebecchi wrote:

did you get any of the 240 or 1000 mes ?

got no where near

today did have a Federer v Sampras 2001 feel about it

or Graf v Serena at Indian Wells 1999

Jul 14, 2024 -- 4:47PM, edy wrote:

Croft wants a piece of the Carlos.

Carlos has no idea she's a former Pro

1.05 landed

Carlos more nervous than usual,but he's human,these situations not easy for a young guy .

Kyrgios in his England gear

Just 38 days till we see Kyrgios in UTS action.

Loosened code of conduct for more authenticity
Players and coaches mic’d up (live interview in-between quarters)
Never-seen-before entertainment show with a DJ on the tennis court, MC, and most importantly, no more limitations for the crowd!

How would you have played it had you got the £1,000 at 1000.0 matched ?