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SamuelMertensBertens
12 Nov 23 04:08
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Green Group
Novak Djokovic [1]
Jannik Sinner [4]
Stefanos Tsitsipas [6]
Holger Rune [8]

Red Group
Carlos Alcaraz [2]
Daniil Medvedev [3]
Andrey Rublev [5]
Alexander Zverev [7]

Matches starting today, final next Sunday.
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Report SamuelMertensBertens November 13, 2023 10:57 AM GMT
What is it that I've always said? Sabine always doing well on courts with green on them! ExcitedLove
Report SamuelMertensBertens November 13, 2023 10:57 AM GMT

Nov 13, 2023 -- 9:59AM, edy wrote:


The WTA released somewhat of a schedule for 2024.


Is Cancun on there?

Report edy November 13, 2023 11:10 AM GMT
No, and it doesn't state another WTA Finals location either yet. The season seems to be longer and the WTA might have chosen to clash with the ATP Finals. The last regular WTA tournaments are scheduled to end November 3 2024. If they keep the usual thing of Elite Trophy and then WTA Finals the two weeks after that, the WTA Finals would indeed clash with the ATP Finals that start on Novembe r 10.

So BJK Cup will most likely also be pushed back and clash with Davis Cup.
Report edy November 13, 2023 11:18 AM GMT
Merida's spot is wild.

US Open in the two weeks ending September 8
Guadalajara the week after that as a WTA500 (Wuhan is back with its licence later)
Then exclusively Asia from September 16 to October 27.
Followed by Merida in Mexico in the final week of the season (plus two more Asian tournaments that week)

....Cluj-Napoca gone. If they want, I am sure the WTA would allow them to have a WTA125 though. Those aren't really in the calendar yet.
Report edy November 13, 2023 11:22 AM GMT
I guess Merida would make some sense if there will be strong hard court ITFs or WTA125s around it, but no sign of that as of now.
Report n88uk November 13, 2023 12:07 PM GMT
Honestly think Zverev is significant value today, Alcaraz has been awful recently, and has no real pedigree indoors.
Report SamuelMertensBertens November 13, 2023 2:01 PM GMT
Cluj-Napoca is never on the calendar and always end up finding a spot in the end Love

Would be very classic WTA if they decided to clash their year end finals with ATP's.
Report SamuelMertensBertens November 13, 2023 2:04 PM GMT
That's interesting regarding Carlos indoors. Unlike with Rafa where I see reasons why he'd not as good indoors I think with Carlos it's more of a case of him being injured/fatigued last year and out of form/fatigued this year and that his time will come eventually.
Report SamuelMertensBertens November 13, 2023 2:14 PM GMT
Carlos had a weird season overall.

Not a convincing start in South America despite 1 W, 1 F and an 8-1 record.

Then went on a tear in IW.

Lost to Sinner in Miami.

Mixed bag in Barcelona and Madrid, but people tend to remember the good results.

The shocker against Marozsan in Rome, some say soft tank, I think it was another case of playing with fire and this time not getting away with it.

Playing well in Paris and having market go crazy for him only to be owned by Djokovic there after having cramps.

Wobbly start to the grass season. Almost lost to Rinderknech, then going on another tear like in IW.

Hasn't really found form since, possibly due to overplaying. Playing Hopman Cup just after Wimbledon probably not the wisest move.

Disappointing Canada. Somehow made Cincy final before losing a classic final against Novak.

Looked good in NY before the surprise loss against Medvedev.

Then poor results after that.
Report SamuelMertensBertens November 13, 2023 2:16 PM GMT
If he loses today, it will be the first time since 2021 he suffers three losses in a row.
22‑Mar‑2021    Miami Masters    Hard    R128    132    83    Emil Ruusuvuori [FIN] d. (WC)Alcaraz    6-4 2-6 7-5    
15‑Mar‑2021    Acapulco    Hard    R32    132    7    (2)Alexander Zverev [GER] d. (WC)Alcaraz    6-3 6-1       
1‑Mar‑2021    Las Palmas 2 CH    Clay    R16    131    248    Marco Trungelliti [ARG] d. (1)Alcaraz    7-6(5) 6-3
Report edy November 13, 2023 2:16 PM GMT
I think his tendency to be playful/adventurous simply hurts him more indoors against all those big servers than it does elsewhere.
Report SamuelMertensBertens November 13, 2023 2:16 PM GMT
what a mug Zverev.
Report n88uk November 13, 2023 2:17 PM GMT
A big part of it with Nadal was he was always tired/injured by end of year too. The few times he turned up to YEC in good shape he'd do decent, but more often than not he wasn't in good shape.
Report n88uk November 13, 2023 2:22 PM GMT
I think you're probably bit harsh on some of Alcaraz's season, but I think it's just reality of the standards he's being judged to. And yes he does seem to overplay a bit. He's signed up to Laver Cup next year for the first time, so we will see how he will manage that.
Report SamuelMertensBertens November 13, 2023 2:44 PM GMT
yes it's because of the standard he's being judged. Obviously, his peak is insanely good. But he's having more bad matches than Roger, Rafa and Novak had in their prime.
Report n88uk November 13, 2023 2:54 PM GMT
I mean tbf, Roger and Djokovic hadn't even won their first slams at Alcaraz's current age right? I think Djokovic won his 1st around this age? But it took years for him to be consistent after that, as went through that mugging period soon after winning his first slam (messing about with his serve etc.).
Report SamuelMertensBertens November 13, 2023 2:56 PM GMT
Fair enough.
Report Angela Rebecchi November 13, 2023 3:02 PM GMT
The Carlos roar as he takes the first set !
Report edy November 13, 2023 4:33 PM GMT

Nov 13, 2023 -- 12:07PM, n88uk wrote:


Honestly think Zverev is significant value today, Alcaraz has been awful recently, and has no real pedigree indoors.


Report edy November 13, 2023 4:34 PM GMT
Aw bummer, the unicode thumbs up emoji doesn't work here the way some other unicode emojis work.
Report n88uk November 13, 2023 5:05 PM GMT
It was actually quite bad how Alcaraz fell away tbh. At the end of the 1st set Alcaraz looked in total control and Zverev was having big trouble with his forehand looking awful, and then after having a chance to break in 1st game of 2nd set it felt like Alcaraz basically just gifted the rest of the match from that point with pretty poor tennis.
Report n88uk November 13, 2023 5:06 PM GMT
I also thought Zverev had kinda blown it after the 1st set tbh, as it felt like he'd missed his chance, blew that 0-40 at 3-3 pretty meekly, and by the end of the set seemed to be falling apart himself.
Report n88uk November 13, 2023 5:06 PM GMT
Wouldn't be surprised if Alcaraz goes 0-3 anyway with what we saw today.
Report edy November 13, 2023 5:08 PM GMT
The ATP Finals are stupid anyway. There is a reason they used to be known under the acronym WTF (and it took the ATP way too long to change it away from that).
Report SamuelMertensBertens November 13, 2023 6:09 PM GMT
why you so mad? The Germug won.
Report Angela Rebecchi November 13, 2023 6:50 PM GMT
It was Carlitos in bad mode again for sure. Far from the beast we have seen in parts over the last few years.
Report Angela Rebecchi November 13, 2023 9:41 PM GMT
Rublev in tears - not nice to see !
Report SamuelMertensBertens November 13, 2023 9:50 PM GMT
Sabine Lisicki @sabinelisicki
First title since knee reconstruction surgery which has been almost exactly 3 years ago. The odds were against me to ever play pro tennis again, yet 19 months of brutal rehab, training, believing and here we are. We made it. We won in Calgary!
Report Angela Rebecchi November 13, 2023 9:53 PM GMT
Wimbledon awaits ! Bartoli and Woz and Konta stand in her way !
Report SamuelMertensBertens November 13, 2023 10:10 PM GMT
and about 200 ranking places still Sad
Report Journeyman November 13, 2023 10:57 PM GMT
Relax. She just won a very competitive 60k in style. Brutal drop shot repetition to melt Hovde's mind.
If she maintains that, no injuries she's 100% getting a wild card for SW19.
Report edy November 13, 2023 11:03 PM GMT
Unless she manages to amass a lot of points in half a season, she will need that wild card too because those damn German tournaments are keeping her from playing qualies for Wimbledon.
Report SamuelMertensBertens November 13, 2023 11:27 PM GMT
that's a lot of ifs. Don't see Wimbledon giving her a WC unless she wins one of the Grass 250's/500's in week 1 or 2 of the grass season. She's unlikely to get a WC to 's-Hertogenbosch, Nottingham or Birmingham so that leaves Berlin. That's a small window of opportunities.
Report Journeyman November 14, 2023 12:46 AM GMT
Too much cynicism! At least RMB's cynicism was quite witty.
Report SamuelMertensBertens November 14, 2023 12:59 AM GMT
we can revisit in July. Sabine just having had her one tournament per year when she plays fairly well won't change much imo.
Report edy November 14, 2023 1:19 AM GMT
Oy, she had already played fairly well in a tournament in February this year.

"Her one tournament per year" you wrote...pfft.

Speaking of that tournament: any particular reason why the woman that defeated Lisicki in Orlando, Rebecca Peterson (sometimes known as Rebekkah Pettersson), hasn't played since the US Open? Injured? Having problems getting over Iga's bakery products that were handed to her in her most recent match? Peterson has had some mental health issues before.

On Instagram she posted herself practicing and a message about seeing light at the end of the tunnel, but that can mean anything really.
Report edy November 14, 2023 1:20 AM GMT
https://www.instagram.com/p/CzUCrvDN5Va/
Report SamuelMertensBertens November 14, 2023 1:23 AM GMT
on average ... I do count the Orlando one as a good tournament. It does feel like a year ago, but it is 9 months.
Report SamuelMertensBertens November 14, 2023 1:25 AM GMT
sounds like an injury. But of course journalists never write about Rebecca Sad
Report edy November 14, 2023 1:13 PM GMT
I'm not entirely sure because ITF streams are usually stationary cameras and you can't hear everything, but I think Adithya Karunaratne just did a most remarkable thing.

She was serving at 2-6,5*-6, 30all and hit what, to me, looked like a ball that was long. Karunaratne was on the lower end, so her shot was near/beyond the far end baseline. However, the umpire called it good and gave the point to Karunaratne. Her opponent argued it was out by quite a bit. I think, in passing, Karunaratne then told the umpire it was indeed long and the call was changed - setting up match point for the Indian's opponent.

The norm is for players to stay squeaky silent in such situations even if they themselves are probably convinced they had hit a shot that was out.
Report edy November 14, 2023 1:14 PM GMT
And especially if it's such a big point instead of them being in a comfortable lead.
Report edy November 14, 2023 2:01 PM GMT
Bartunkova just lost a set in which she won 100% of her first serve points. Problem is - she only got the first serve into the required area in 7 of 28 attempts and on the second serve her double fault issues persist.
Report edy November 14, 2023 2:02 PM GMT
Playing indoors makes the serve percentage particularly depressing.
Report n88uk November 14, 2023 2:06 PM GMT
I was kinda thinking Tsitsipas was a big price lol, even though I'd heard the injury rumours, guess I know why he was that price now (albeit irrelevant betting wise anyway).
Report edy November 14, 2023 3:29 PM GMT

Nov 14, 2023 -- 2:01PM, edy wrote:


Bartunkova just lost a set in which she won 100% of her first serve points. Problem is - she only got the first serve into the required area in 7 of 28 attempts and on the second serve her double fault issues persist.


Her serve percentage improved in the second set. From 7/28 to 8/28.

Report edy November 14, 2023 3:35 PM GMT
One of the two took a medical timeout after the first set, but I couldn't be bothered to turn on the stream. Maybe Bartunkova was suffering from an injury that affected her getting serves in.
Report SamuelMertensBertens November 14, 2023 8:34 PM GMT
GET OUTTA HERE!
Report SamuelMertensBertens November 14, 2023 9:58 PM GMT
Just noticed the umpire's chair in Turin. That's some clever marketing.
Report SamuelMertensBertens November 15, 2023 12:08 PM GMT
https://twitter.com/tennis_inmyhead/status/1724443091661144150
classic Dominic Thiem humor.
Report SamuelMertensBertens November 15, 2023 2:11 PM GMT
"José Morgado
@josemorgado
·
8m
“A revision to today's practice schedule. Novak Djokovic is now no longer practicing today.”

let the ramping start
Report edy November 15, 2023 2:54 PM GMT
Anisimova is said to have entered Hobart and the AO.
Report edy November 15, 2023 2:54 PM GMT
https://twitter.com/OpenCourt/status/1724445588815532441
Report SamuelMertensBertens November 15, 2023 3:21 PM GMT
NID
Report Journeyman November 15, 2023 4:05 PM GMT
If only you guys had bought her paintings.
Report edy November 15, 2023 4:13 PM GMT
She is bound to have more than enough money to buy some paintings herself if she wants them.
Report SamuelMertensBertens November 15, 2023 7:51 PM GMT
I didn't buy her paintings because I want her back on the tennis courts.
Report SamuelMertensBertens November 15, 2023 9:12 PM GMT
What a muggy TB this is.
Report SamuelMertensBertens November 16, 2023 1:21 PM GMT
G Maristany Zuleta de Reales rising!
Report SamuelMertensBertens November 16, 2023 1:44 PM GMT
https://twitter.com/BJKCup/status/1725146309424738570
clip of the one edy calls Soccer Mom
Report edy November 16, 2023 2:01 PM GMT
https://www.reddit.com/r/tennis/comments/17vvh3k/til_rublev_was_out_injured_for_some_of_2019_after/

Unlike what the URL suggests, the above is a clip of Rublev hurting himself last night and drawing blood when he (yet again) chose to hit himself with his racquet.

https://twitter.com/TennisChannel/status/1724918586186100926

Andy Roddick and Nick Kyrgios weren't entirely impressed by it.
Report edy November 16, 2023 2:03 PM GMT

Nov 16, 2023 -- 1:44PM, SamuelMertensBertens wrote:


https://twitter.com/BJKCup/status/1725146309424738570clip of the one edy calls Soccer Mom


hot

Report edy November 16, 2023 2:22 PM GMT
Astonishingly Rublev has never retired in a match and he's obviously played tons of matches.

What I'd like to know. Do you guys know more about the 2019 accident that commentars allude to in the clip on reddit? Looking at his results I'm made to believe he did it after his loss to Monteiro in Munich (he was out for a bunch of weeks after that and missed Roland Garros), but I can't find information about it in either German or English. Rublev was just a random barely top100 player then (although with a promising junior career)
Report brain dead jockeys November 16, 2023 4:19 PM GMT
if alcaraz wins v medvedev, does that mean he is thru regardless of what happens zverev v rublev?
Report brain dead jockeys November 16, 2023 4:28 PM GMT
or if alcaraz wins 2-1 but zverev win 2-0..........what happens then?.........the table is based on sets on right........please help
Report edy November 16, 2023 4:51 PM GMT
The website of the ATP Finals has a scenarios website which hopefully answers your question (not checked for validity, but one should hopefully be able to trust the ATP to not make errors on this)

https://www.nittoatpfinals.com/en/scores-centre/scenarios

Singles Red Group qualification scenarios after the completion of the 2nd round of the event's group stage:

1) Regardless of score, if C. ALCARAZ defeats D. MEDVEDEV and A. RUBLEV defeats A. ZVEREV, then C. ALCARAZ wins the group and D. MEDVEDEV qualifies 2nd.

2) Regardless of score, if D. MEDVEDEV defeats C. ALCARAZ and A. RUBLEV defeats A. ZVEREV, then D. MEDVEDEV wins the group and C. ALCARAZ qualifies 2nd.

3) Regardless of score, if D. MEDVEDEV defeats C. ALCARAZ and A. ZVEREV defeats A. RUBLEV, then D. MEDVEDEV wins the group and A. ZVEREV qualifies 2nd.

4) If C. ALCARAZ defeats D. MEDVEDEV in 2 sets and A. ZVEREV defeats A. RUBLEV in 2 sets, then C. ALCARAZ wins the group and D. MEDVEDEV qualifies 2nd.

5) If C. ALCARAZ defeats D. MEDVEDEV in 2 sets and A. ZVEREV defeats A. RUBLEV in 3 sets, then C. ALCARAZ wins the group and D. MEDVEDEV qualifies 2nd.

6) If C. ALCARAZ defeats D. MEDVEDEV in 3 sets and A. ZVEREV defeats A. RUBLEV in 2 sets, then D. MEDVEDEV wins the group and C. ALCARAZ qualifies 2nd.

7) If C. ALCARAZ defeats D. MEDVEDEV in 3 sets and A. ZVEREV defeats A. RUBLEV in 3 sets, then D. MEDVEDEV wins the group and C. ALCARAZ qualifies 2nd.
Report edy November 16, 2023 4:55 PM GMT
“I’m well, training, and happy,” said the 22-time Grand Slam champion on Wednesday afternoon in Barcelona. “I’m at a good stage of my life. Until now I didn’t know if I would play tennis again someday, and now I genuinely believe I will. I’m still not ready to say when, but I’m able to train increasingly longer, and the progress is good,” he explained.

more at: https://www.atptour.com/en/news/nadal-recovery-november-2023

Fresh in regarding Rafa
Report SamuelMertensBertens November 16, 2023 4:58 PM GMT
he also said he wouldn't win more Slams than Novak, so I take it that means there's a good chance he'll at least tie him by winning another RG. Unless Novak wins AO as expected, then obviously no chance for even that.
Report edy November 16, 2023 5:51 PM GMT
Doesn't matter. He will still be the BOAT.
Report Blencathra November 16, 2023 10:01 PM GMT
Siñner loses this he knocks Djoko out
Report n88uk November 16, 2023 10:38 PM GMT
What a mug Sinner.
Report SamuelMertensBertens November 16, 2023 10:42 PM GMT
Darren Cahill should have had a word.
Report n88uk November 16, 2023 10:44 PM GMT
Was Cahill Halep's coach in 2014 too?
Report SamuelMertensBertens November 16, 2023 10:44 PM GMT
no
Report SamuelMertensBertens November 16, 2023 10:44 PM GMT
but he should be familiar with her scenario
Report SamuelMertensBertens November 16, 2023 10:56 PM GMT
it's good that Novak and Sinner progressed. Having Rune qualify due to beating an injured Tsitsipas and a tanking Sinner would have been lame.
Report n88uk November 16, 2023 10:57 PM GMT
Halep worked unofficially with Cahill for years before it became official via the Adidas Player Support Programme as it was at the time.
Report SamuelMertensBertens November 16, 2023 11:04 PM GMT
then I'm not sure.
Report SamuelMertensBertens November 16, 2023 11:09 PM GMT
Wimbledon might come off looking super shrewd by putting Alcaraz and Sinner on that painting.
Report n88uk November 17, 2023 12:12 AM GMT
Predicting them as the next big guys was hardly difficult at this years Wimbledon was it.
Report edy November 17, 2023 12:17 AM GMT
That's what Eurosport thought when they predicted Dimitrov and Paire to be #1 and #2 respectively in 2019.
Report n88uk November 17, 2023 12:26 AM GMT
But that was a far less certain prediction when it was made, Alcaraz was already #1 when they did that painting, Sinner was what, about #8?
Report SamuelMertensBertens November 17, 2023 11:27 AM GMT
They had done nothing on grass at the time and while Alcaraz was a no-brainer it was a rather brave shout to have Sinner on there.
Report Journeyman November 17, 2023 6:10 PM GMT
So is NK now bedded in to a new life as a commentator? He did a Wild World of Sports interview a couple of weeks ago where he simplified his ambitions in the sport. 'I want to just be able to say I won one grand slam, singles, before I retire. I think that's really driving me. I was so close, I was two sets away. Laugh I guess that's what's driving me.'

The rest of the interview was standard NK nonsense about still being in his prime and one of the best in the world etc but then extensively focused on his ongoing knee issues. His commentating has gone down well, he's entertaining and not shy of sharing his opinions. Maybe the warmth of the studio will be hard to resist.
Report edy November 17, 2023 6:37 PM GMT
Not in your prime if you can't move and bend down anymore imo.
Report SamuelMertensBertens November 18, 2023 1:50 PM GMT
Daniela is so cute when she does whispering commentary during play.
Report edy November 19, 2023 3:00 PM GMT
https://www.tennisforum.com/threads/takasaki%F0%9F%87%AF%F0%9F%87%B5-w100-final-yue-yuan%F0%9F%87%A8%F0%9F%87%B3-d-harriet-dart%F0%9F%87%AC%F0%9F%87%A7-5-7-7-5-6-0.1409777/

Harriet Dart must be real mad she didn't get to win this trophy today.
Report SamuelMertensBertens November 19, 2023 3:12 PM GMT
she saw it at the end of set 2.
Report Journeyman November 19, 2023 3:12 PM GMT
The first sign of Christmas approaching = Diane Parry remembering how to vulture properly.
Report Journeyman November 19, 2023 3:15 PM GMT
Harriet Dart must be real mad she didn't get to win this trophy today.

Grin At least it's big. I'd rather win that than the glorified glass flower pot that Leylah won in Hong Kong.
Report SamuelMertensBertens November 19, 2023 3:20 PM GMT
is it inflatable? With rent/housing prices being what they are in London, you might be better of with a glass flower pot.
Report edy November 19, 2023 3:27 PM GMT
Don't think it's inflatable, but the way she holds it, it must still be pretty light. I think modern darumas are typically made of Papier-mâché.
Report SamuelMertensBertens November 19, 2023 3:28 PM GMT
good thing a Chinese player won it then. Sounds like a nightmare to bring that on a flight.
Report SamuelMertensBertens November 19, 2023 7:13 PM GMT
Mike Dickson @Mike_Dickson_DM
·2m
That wraps up Amazon Prime's stint of tennis coverage in the UK. Most would judge it a good (and affordable) service for those making the effort to find it. Sky likely to confirm its takeover in the coming week or so.


Sad
Report Wallflower November 19, 2023 7:22 PM GMT
Personally glad to see the back of Amazon Prime and get tennis back to proper coverage. For traders it was useless - so far behind the play. I basically had stopped watching tennis outside of the majors.

Besides streaming just never looks right in terms of picture quality.
Report SamuelMertensBertens November 19, 2023 7:29 PM GMT
They made Daniela cry showing highlights from their five year run.
Report edy November 19, 2023 7:54 PM GMT
In the Florianapolis WTA125 qualification match between Conny Perrin and Sada Nahimana they called a foot fault (the only I saw, but I didn't watch for long) on Nahimana when she served a second serve at 4-6,4*-5, 30-40. Pretty damn sure that second serve was out anyway and she would have sealed the match with a "normal" double fault even without the called foot fault, but....that's a big moment to call a foot fault.
Report SamuelMertensBertens November 19, 2023 8:01 PM GMT
if it's a foot fault it's a foot fault. Hawk-eye live doesn't take score into consideration and neither should humans.
Report edy November 19, 2023 8:05 PM GMT
I know, but I feel the average human line judge will be careful to call foot faults on such occasions, just like umpires aren't completely consistent with when and who they call e.g. time delays on.
Report Journeyman November 19, 2023 8:23 PM GMT
I know, but I feel the average human line judge will be careful to call foot faults on such occasions

That offers up an edge so I agree with caramba. This is one area where handing over control to technology is going to be an improvement. Technology will eventually be able to properly discipline strategic use of missed ball tosses to break an opponent's rhythm etc.

Hopefully it will expand to include shoe sqeaking faults and make them retrospective.
Report Journeyman November 19, 2023 8:25 PM GMT
On the subject of Daniela I will always tip the hat to Prime for their Daniela day at Indian wells where her unbeaten tally of titles was celebrated by Navratilova and Rusedski.
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