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wisewords
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Here's a thread to discuss the final.

I think Ons finally gets her first Grand Slam title today. I'll predict she does it in straight sets. Good luck with your bets!
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Report SamuelMertensBertens July 15, 2023 2:41 PM BST
2006 is the only year Mauresmo won Slams, so that's how I remember.
Report mesmerised July 15, 2023 2:42 PM BST
the answer to the men's was Edberg, retired at 5-2 down in the third, long before my time, don't know if he was genuinely injured or trying to save face
Report mesmerised July 15, 2023 2:42 PM BST
that was AO 1990

both retirements in slam finals in OZ
Report alun2005 July 15, 2023 2:43 PM BST
Is Mauresmo still the grestest coach in all of sports, as I believe was her status when Murray hired her?
Report SamuelMertensBertens July 15, 2023 2:44 PM BST

Jul 15, 2023 -- 2:42PM, mesmerised wrote:


the answer to the men's was Edberg, retired at 5-2 down in the third, long before my time, don't know if he was genuinely injured or trying to save face


As a Swede I'm insulted you would even suggest the latter. Also it was 1-1 in sets, so not like he retired one game away from defeat.

Report Wesdag July 15, 2023 2:47 PM BST
Ons being out-Jabbed
Report mesmerised July 15, 2023 2:47 PM BST
he was 5-2 down in the third, that is one game away from defeat
Report SamuelMertensBertens July 15, 2023 2:47 PM BST
I set the clock for that. As an 11 year old. At the time AO finals were played at 4 or 5 in the morning European time. I think I fell asleep again during the beginning of the match Sad
Report stu July 15, 2023 2:47 PM BST
blimey - at least it's a tad surprising so far...
Report Platini July 15, 2023 2:48 PM BST
oh the pain in Sam Smith's voice Laugh
Report Angela Rebecchi July 15, 2023 2:48 PM BST
1.21    £4,501.00        £47,853.54
1.22    £26,424.37        £51,534.58
1.23    £13,287.58        £35,690.99
1.24    £13,172.81        £87,974.52
1.25    £13,583.04        £49,359.98
1.26    £8,260.31        £101,906.02

Ons !
Report Des Pond July 15, 2023 2:48 PM BST
Pathetic effort from Jabeur.
Report SamuelMertensBertens July 15, 2023 2:48 PM BST

Jul 15, 2023 -- 2:47PM, mesmerised wrote:


he was 5-2 down in the third, that is one game away from defeat


it was best of 5, even in 1990.

Report mesmerised July 15, 2023 2:49 PM BST
oh yeah, ffsLaugh

what happened to him?
Report Platini July 15, 2023 2:49 PM BST
Ons a choker
always a choker. Wink
Report Wesdag July 15, 2023 2:49 PM BST

Jul 15, 2023 -- 2:48PM, Des Pond wrote:


Pathetic effort from Jabeur.


Simply out-Jabbed

Report SamuelMertensBertens July 15, 2023 2:49 PM BST
I was asleep Cry Illness I think.
Report Wesdag July 15, 2023 2:49 PM BST

Jul 15, 2023 -- 2:49PM, Platini wrote:


Ons a chokeralways a choker.


Laugh

Report alun2005 July 15, 2023 2:51 PM BST
Another horrendous WTA nightmare occasion so far.
Report mesmerised July 15, 2023 2:51 PM BST
Vondrousova had a losing record on grass coming into Wimbledon, doubt anyone had the foresight to see her winning Wimbledon, didn't even consider her
Report Angela Rebecchi July 15, 2023 2:51 PM BST
She was horrific for most parts of that set, despite a great start.
Report Wesdag July 15, 2023 2:51 PM BST
The BBC comms were more upbeat for the Queen's funeral.
Report Des Pond July 15, 2023 2:51 PM BST
More posts about 1990 than the Final being played now. Says it all really. Can they withdraw the prize money? Probably not. Sad
Report SamuelMertensBertens July 15, 2023 2:52 PM BST
Marketa has been matched at 560 outright. She's not even listed under USO market with most books.
Report Angela Rebecchi July 15, 2023 2:52 PM BST
weren't tickets like £300 for this Laugh
Report Wesdag July 15, 2023 2:54 PM BST
Ons has gons Cry
Report johnnythebull July 15, 2023 2:57 PM BST
that's the thing with the WTA..a lot of the time your weapon i.e. your serve is the Achilles heel
Ons played really well to come from behind to win her 1/4 & semi(tho' imho that was some choke from Saba who just can't learn to keep the frigging ball in court rather than going 4 winners ALL the time)
well,yet again she's behind the 8 ball.let's see what happens
all the dy ke squad on the beeb will be apoplectic if she doesn't win,they were sooo wanting a PC winner
they might even start exposing themselves on social media such will be their mental anguish(allegedly)
Alun...stop ****footing around,call it how u see it!
Report SamuelMertensBertens July 15, 2023 2:58 PM BST
this is pretty bad, but if Ons somehow prevails with a 2-1 win it will be labeled a classic.
Report stu July 15, 2023 2:59 PM BST
There's the screaming! Laugh
Report SamuelMertensBertens July 15, 2023 3:00 PM BST
Louise should have overruled that.
Report mesmerised July 15, 2023 3:03 PM BST
Players can play badly in a final simply because of nerves, like Lisicki in 2013 who was crippled with nerves, even Alcaraz had to retire basically because of nerves against Novak at the French, albeit not a final, it happens, imagine 15000 people around you with all the lights and media attention, you can't relate to it yet people call them 'bottlers' lol
Report SamuelMertensBertens July 15, 2023 3:04 PM BST
Serena USO 2011 against Stosur.
Report SamuelMertensBertens July 15, 2023 3:04 PM BST
Stosur herself in the RG final against Schiavone.
Report stu July 15, 2023 3:05 PM BST
But that's the whole point isn't it mes - the challenge of overcoming the stress in sport?
Report SamuelMertensBertens July 15, 2023 3:05 PM BST
Söderling had a horror performance against Fed at RG in 2009.
Report mesmerised July 15, 2023 3:05 PM BST
it's easier in team sports, in individual sports there's far more pressure
Report SamuelMertensBertens July 15, 2023 3:06 PM BST
Mental giant Novak at the USO 2021 when going for the calendar Slam.
Report mesmerised July 15, 2023 3:06 PM BST
Federer will be forever grateful to Soderling for Knocking out Nadal so he could win his only French Open
Report mesmerised July 15, 2023 3:06 PM BST
of Sodermug as he was affectionately know to the tennis forum
Report stu July 15, 2023 3:07 PM BST
If it wasn't stressful, no reason to see a sports performance as great.
Report johnnythebull July 15, 2023 3:07 PM BST
it must be admitted nobody does a choke quite like the Gooners!
Report SamuelMertensBertens July 15, 2023 3:09 PM BST
Marketa had a nightmare in her only previous Slam final. Losing 1-6, 3-6 to Barty. Those numbers are generous.
Report Wesdag July 15, 2023 3:09 PM BST
This final in unsurprisingly a pile of dung.
Whoever is least nervous & unafraid of the finishing line will win.
Report stu July 15, 2023 3:10 PM BST
It is a bit of 'choke-off' for sure this one!
Report johnnythebull July 15, 2023 3:11 PM BST
but all the more absorbing for it..the fragility lends itself to more drama
Report SamuelMertensBertens July 15, 2023 3:12 PM BST
This match quality also has a lot to do with Marketa's playing style, like Tracy just said. With someone like Kerber, you are more likely to get an appealing tennis match with lots of nice shots and spectacular rallies. Ons herself doesn't give her opponent much rhythm so this is what we get.
Report SamuelMertensBertens July 15, 2023 3:12 PM BST
and then throw in the nerves on top of that ...
Report stu July 15, 2023 3:13 PM BST
I'd agree johnny that it's better than just one of the players choking, more interesting if both do Laugh
Report SamuelMertensBertens July 15, 2023 3:17 PM BST
Simon Cambers @scambers73
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Belated confirmation from The All England Club that the roof was closed over Centre Court and No 1 court from the start due to the yellow weather warning (which was for wind). No more details given.
Report SamuelMertensBertens July 15, 2023 3:17 PM BST
this in the wind would have been fun.
Report SamuelMertensBertens July 15, 2023 3:17 PM BST
doesn't sound like players had a say then.
Report johnnythebull July 15, 2023 3:18 PM BST
maybe we're being a bit unfair with the 'choking' a term bandied about maybe a tad too much
neither is trying to lose
one gets the momentum then the other
really gotten into the Womens'latter stages this year
enjoyed it..less robotic
all about perception and opinion
Report Wesdag July 15, 2023 3:18 PM BST
synchronised choking
Report Wesdag July 15, 2023 3:19 PM BST
oops
Report johnnythebull July 15, 2023 3:22 PM BST
Marketa's old man looks about 12
Report Angela Rebecchi July 15, 2023 3:24 PM BST
Ons looking like she will be relieved to be out of this intense atmosphere in her mind
Report Angela Rebecchi July 15, 2023 3:24 PM BST

Jul 15, 2023 -- 2:48PM, Angela Rebecchi wrote:


1.21

Report johnnythebull July 15, 2023 3:25 PM BST
Can she serve it out or are their more swings?
Report Wesdag July 15, 2023 3:27 PM BST
what a turgid affair Cry
Report Angela Rebecchi July 15, 2023 3:28 PM BST
1.21            £47,853.54
1.22            £51,534.58
1.23            £35,690.99
1.24            £87,974.52
1.25            £49,359.98
1.26    £4.00        £101,906.02
1.27            £41,818.78
1.28            £53,848.25
1.29            £127,994.50

Market did a whoopsie !
Report johnnythebull July 15, 2023 3:28 PM BST
girl done good..that was a good service game....other than the dbl at 40-0..unseeded well played
Report Platini July 15, 2023 3:28 PM BST
LOL at the BBC

they're having a bad week LaughLaugh
Report johnnythebull July 15, 2023 3:30 PM BST
3 wrist surgeries..respect!
Report Wesdag July 15, 2023 3:30 PM BST
served it out well tbf, was expecting a touch of the Jana Novotna's there

maybe the Jana Novotna's will be Jabber having a cry on a shoulder
Report stu July 15, 2023 3:30 PM BST
Glad the beeb can't celebrate their ethnic win ad nauseum...
Report SamuelMertensBertens July 15, 2023 3:32 PM BST
and just like that Marketa is a top 10 player!
Report johnnythebull July 15, 2023 3:33 PM BST
gotta feel 4 Jabeur that wasn't the same player from her 2 previous matches

not easy getting over the line in the big ones however 'inferior' ur oppo is deemed to be
Report SamuelMertensBertens July 15, 2023 3:34 PM BST
Does Kate know that this ova is not Russian?
Report SamuelMertensBertens July 15, 2023 3:34 PM BST
Ons is super sad.
Report mesmerised July 15, 2023 3:34 PM BST
she's breaking down now
Report Wesdag July 15, 2023 3:35 PM BST
If you can't turn up & play your best tennis then you deserve zilch.
Report stu July 15, 2023 3:36 PM BST
That's what big finals are for - to sort out the true champions, well played Vond, deserved it.
Report Wesdag July 15, 2023 3:36 PM BST

Jul 15, 2023 -- 3:30PM, Wesdag wrote:


served it out well tbf, was expecting a touch of the Jana Novotna's theremaybe the Jana Novotna's will be Jabber having a cry on a shoulder


I sayed it.

Report mesmerised July 15, 2023 3:36 PM BST
Why is Sue Barker there
Report johnnythebull July 15, 2023 3:37 PM BST
does that acerbic comment equally apply to the fitba team of urs ..WesWink
Report SamuelMertensBertens July 15, 2023 3:38 PM BST
Ons joins Safina on the list with 3 Slam appearances without a win.
Report Wesdag July 15, 2023 3:38 PM BST
Different sport johnny

How about the other 18 in the EPL?
Report mesmerised July 15, 2023 3:38 PM BST
I remember Raonic saying one day he'll be back to win Wimbledon after he is loss, didn't work out well
Report johnnythebull July 15, 2023 3:39 PM BST
Beeb just can't get away from this Woke sh1te
Report SamuelMertensBertens July 15, 2023 3:39 PM BST
I remember Marion saying Sabine would win a Slam for sure. That also didn't work out so well Sad
Report Wesdag July 15, 2023 3:40 PM BST
Ons is a serial choker.
She just doesn't play her best tennis when it matters.
Report johnnythebull July 15, 2023 3:40 PM BST
only 17 Wes..u can't count the Y ids Wink
Report SamuelMertensBertens July 15, 2023 3:41 PM BST
maybe Marketa can finally afford to get those tattoos improved now.
Report SamuelMertensBertens July 15, 2023 3:42 PM BST
oh ffs not another tattoo Cry
Report alun2005 July 15, 2023 3:46 PM BST
Can't wait for the rigorous professional analysis of the BBC pundits that will slaughter this horrorshow of a final.
Report stu July 15, 2023 3:51 PM BST
No alun of course they were two great warrioresses out there from start to finish PlainLaugh
Report alun2005 July 15, 2023 3:53 PM BST
What price was Vondrousova at the start of the event?  500 ?  1000 ?
Report stu July 15, 2023 3:55 PM BST
matched over 500 I think
Report alun2005 July 15, 2023 3:55 PM BST
Cheers Stu
Report Wesdag July 15, 2023 3:58 PM BST
High of 560.
Report roggrain July 15, 2023 5:13 PM BST
Based,not just on the final but the whole tournament, how can the Women justify equal prize money

with the Men?
Report roggrain July 15, 2023 5:16 PM BST
Based on the entire tournament not just the final, how is the Women getting the same prize money

as the Men justifiable?
Report SontaranStratagem July 15, 2023 5:20 PM BST
Jabeur should hire Andy Murray, he lost 6 finals before winning his first and even the first he went through the ringer losing a two set lead.
Report Platini July 15, 2023 5:21 PM BST
"equality" innit. Laugh
Report SirNorbertClarke July 15, 2023 5:40 PM BST
Women's tennis is pathetic. None of them can consistently serve.
Report SontaranStratagem July 15, 2023 5:42 PM BST
And to top it off women's cricketers are going to get equal pay despite literally no one watching it

Go figure
Report stu July 15, 2023 6:15 PM BST
Much as I love to knock the women's tennis at times, it is light years ahead of women's cricket as a sport. That is just a total joke.
Report wisewords July 15, 2023 6:21 PM BST

Jul 15, 2023 -- 3:42PM, SamuelMertensBertens wrote:


oh ffs not another tattoo


Laugh

Report Wesdag July 15, 2023 8:07 PM BST
I think you can just about justify equal prize money in tennis due to equal expenses (hotels, flights etc).

A journeyman or journeywoman player have the same expenses so I think they should be remunerated the same.
Report SirNorbertClarke July 16, 2023 9:49 AM BST
Womens tennis is like bad pingpong
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