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brain dead jockeys
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novak is 2.8.........going for history to pass nadal with 23 slams and trying to be the only man to win all 4 slams at least 3 times.
he hasnt played well since he won the aus open. he played a few tournaments on clay and he was bang average.
he has dropped only 1 set on reaching the semis here. he hasnt looked explosive but has he ever at Roland garros?
alacaraz has walked into the semis, only dropping 1 set but winning his matches easier than novak.
i was expecting the 1.55 - 2.8 prices.
what u think guys? will the market be correct? this may be novaks last chance to win another french. hes 36 after all.
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Report SamuelMertensBertens June 9, 2023 5:07 PM BST
moment of truth!
Report Journeyman June 9, 2023 5:08 PM BST
I hope he's thinking 'I have to find a way to win this, some way somehow' and not 'I'll get him next time'.
Report SamuelMertensBertens June 9, 2023 5:08 PM BST
no signs yet. Be a man Carlos, and I won't say anything mean about you until August!
Report SamuelMertensBertens June 9, 2023 5:10 PM BST
no cramping after running for that dropshot and missing the smash.
Report SamuelMertensBertens June 9, 2023 5:12 PM BST
it's a remarkable sport in how so much is mental. Beast in the gym and starts cramping one game into the 3rd set.
Report mesmerised June 9, 2023 5:12 PM BST
54.5% of people picked Alcaraz as winner for this tournament, only 21% for Novak on d
Report mesmerised June 9, 2023 5:12 PM BST
54.5% of people picked Alcaraz as winner for this on drawchallenge, only 21% Novak
Report SamuelMertensBertens June 9, 2023 5:13 PM BST
not as shrewd as the people here. If you scroll to the top, most are on Novak. I didn't see it going down like this though.
Report mesmerised June 9, 2023 5:13 PM BST
if Serena hadn't of got all broody and had a baby, she'd have beaten Court's record as well
Report SamuelMertensBertens June 9, 2023 5:14 PM BST
nice to give the baby a headstart though, already one Slam for Olivia.
Report mesmerised June 9, 2023 5:17 PM BST
booing him for hitting an ace ffs
Report SamuelMertensBertens June 9, 2023 5:18 PM BST
I think he hit that ace with a certain dismissive swagger and look !
Report Des Pond June 9, 2023 5:18 PM BST
I've taken plenty of hits at odds on, we all have, I guess. But I feel sorry for anyone lumping on Alcaraz near the end of the set. Not many saw that coming, I assume. Shocked
Report SamuelMertensBertens June 9, 2023 5:19 PM BST

Jun 9, 2023 -- 11:18AM, Des Pond wrote:


I've taken plenty of hits at odds on, we all have, I guess. But I feel sorry for anyone lumping on Alcaraz near the end of the set. Not many saw that coming, I assume.


yeah, you'd think he was over his pre-match jitters by that point having looked much better in the 2nd.

Report mesmerised June 9, 2023 5:22 PM BST
I think Alcaraz has only been bageled once on tour
Report mesmerised June 9, 2023 5:22 PM BST
against Fucsovics in Winston Salem 2021
Report Des Pond June 9, 2023 5:25 PM BST
I reckon Ruud will beat Zverev. What do the regular tennis audience think?
Report edy June 9, 2023 5:25 PM BST
+ Tsitsipas at the USO 2021 if you count it as tour.
Report The Leopard June 9, 2023 5:25 PM BST
Jocko can't do any fist pumping ...surely ?
Report Angela Rebecchi June 9, 2023 5:25 PM BST

Jun 9, 2023 -- 11:25AM, Des Pond wrote:


I reckon Ruud will beat Zverev. What do the regular tennis audience think?


I think so too. Going to be a cracker !

Report mesmerised June 9, 2023 5:26 PM BST
yeah twice
Report wisewords June 9, 2023 5:26 PM BST

Jun 9, 2023 -- 11:14AM, SamuelMertensBertens wrote:


nice to give the baby a headstart though, already one Slam for Olivia.


Olympia

Report SamuelMertensBertens June 9, 2023 5:27 PM BST
well done Carlos for staying out there, now listen to wisewords next time!
Report SamuelMertensBertens June 9, 2023 5:27 PM BST

Jun 9, 2023 -- 11:26AM, wisewords wrote:


Jun  9, 2023 --  5:14PM, SamuelMertensBertens wrote:nice to give the baby a headstart though, already one Slam for Olivia.Olympia


opps Cry Something didn't feel quite right.

Report wisewords June 9, 2023 5:27 PM BST
Novak humiliated him today.
Report mesmerised June 9, 2023 5:28 PM BST
what's a matter with these mugs booing him
Report The Leopard June 9, 2023 5:29 PM BST
Typical Jocko .....can't stop himself !
Report Journeyman June 9, 2023 5:29 PM BST
I wonder if Rafa was watching this, glowering at the telly.
Report wisewords June 9, 2023 5:34 PM BST
night session would have suited Carlos better. would have dealt with the physicality better
Report The Leopard June 9, 2023 5:41 PM BST
Jocko : "I'm so special " .....lol
Report The Leopard June 9, 2023 5:41 PM BST
...no humility
Report Wesdag June 9, 2023 5:48 PM BST
Man v boy.
Report Wesdag June 9, 2023 5:49 PM BST
No doubt Novak is the GOAT.
Could get to 30 slams if he really wants to.
Should already be on at least 25 but for covid & bad manners.
Report stu June 9, 2023 5:51 PM BST
Impressive win, has to be said, against the great new hope...

In other news, nice to see a match thread that gets 5 pages of posts too on here.
Report mesmerised June 9, 2023 5:54 PM BST
yeah, forum ruined by the mega tart threads
Report edy June 9, 2023 6:13 PM BST
Show dedication and run match threads.
Report SamuelMertensBertens June 9, 2023 6:18 PM BST
in all seriousness, there were people posting during this match that usually don't go in the main thread, and everyone from there was happy to post here, so make them and they will likely be posted in, especially big matches.
Report brain dead jockeys June 9, 2023 6:23 PM BST
the market bias in that game for carlos was crazy. novak was 2.1 and a set up...........
both ruud and zverev are as good as stan warinka on clay and novak lost a french final to him so it aint over yet
Report mesmerised June 9, 2023 6:32 PM BST
tried a few years ago and all I remember was the likes of n88 and his merry men refusing to post in the match threads so people generally went where there was more traffic.
Report edy June 9, 2023 6:36 PM BST
Advertise the chosen match thread matches in the big thread.
Report edy June 9, 2023 6:38 PM BST
n88 and his merry men might not be aware of the match threads even if they would generally coincidentally be interested in the same match.
Report mesmerised June 9, 2023 6:41 PM BST
you all knew full well, some posted in both, but the casuals who don't frequent the forum posted in the most active thread.
Report edy June 9, 2023 6:46 PM BST
Unless you created threads for Dulgheru matches at the W25 Hodmezovasarhely it's unlikely I had more than a passing interest.
Report SamuelMertensBertens June 9, 2023 6:49 PM BST
"Tumaini Carayol@tumcarayol
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Alcaraz: “I would have felt sorry for myself if I retired. If I retired from that, it would have been tough for me. Thinking about the third set is tough, but in the fourth set I thought I had 1% chance to come back.”
Report SamuelMertensBertens June 9, 2023 6:51 PM BST
"Says arms started cramping in the end of the 2nd set and then full body in the 3rd. Thinks it was “the tension of a big match.”"
Report edy June 9, 2023 6:58 PM BST
More beer before the next match time.
Report SamuelMertensBertens June 9, 2023 7:02 PM BST
I still think he's better off listening to wisewords than you.
Report SamuelMertensBertens June 9, 2023 7:04 PM BST

Jun 9, 2023 -- 4:11AM, SamuelMertensBertens wrote:


Jun  8, 2023 -- 10:29PM, Journeyman wrote:Btw will this be the official match thread instead of burying posts forever in the megathread?This match seems too important.works for me, tt thread has reached 3,000 so I'll be getting my contribution bonuses regardless.


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Sad

Report SamuelMertensBertens June 9, 2023 7:08 PM BST
"José Morgado @josemorgado
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Alcaraz insists it was the tension of the moment. Says it was the most tense match of his career because he had Novak Djokovic on the other side of the net. “If someone tells you it’s the same having a player like Novak in the other side of the net, he is lying”."


Interesting that he actually admits this.
Report edy June 9, 2023 7:11 PM BST
wisewords' advice is good for when your conditioning and nutrition is bad.

My advice is good for when you suffer from anxiety in certain situations.
Report wisewords June 9, 2023 7:16 PM BST
A few beers the night before might make you sleep better if you're feeling very anxious about the big match the following day. not really recommended but it can work. the alternative is to barely sleep because your mind won't switch off due to worrying
Report SamuelMertensBertens June 9, 2023 7:30 PM BST
people mock Mannarino for never looking at the draws, but if Carlos had done the same, and not known he was playing Novak until they stepped on court, he might not have had these issues today.
Report SamuelMertensBertens June 9, 2023 7:32 PM BST
if Ruud wins he'll have made the final of 3 of the 5 most recent Slams.
Report edy June 9, 2023 7:41 PM BST
Hasn't looked back since Zhizhen Zhang had 0-40 against him to go up a set and a break.
Report mesmerised June 9, 2023 7:45 PM BST
Zverev is such a mental midget
Report mesmerised June 9, 2023 8:19 PM BST
well that was embarassing.
Report Kriskin June 9, 2023 9:06 PM BST
Alcaraz knows when your playing the GOAT it's a different mentality than playing any of the other players.  Alcaraz was beat before he stepped on to the court with that quote he give above
Report Wesdag June 9, 2023 9:13 PM BST
Yep, when Novak is used to going hammer & tongs v Nadal on clay all these years, anybody else will be a walk in the park.

Mortgage job for sunday imo, Novak is effectively 1.24 to avoid injury.
Report wisewords June 9, 2023 9:38 PM BST
Novak was 1.09 today, 2 sets to 1 up, to beat a Carlos who couldn't run
Report Wesdag June 10, 2023 12:09 AM BST
bonkers odds from start to finish
Report stu June 10, 2023 10:29 AM BST
Only possible issue IMO against Ruud is that Novak did show some muscle issues himself, with the trainer - Ruud had an easy match, and makes you work pretty hard, so can he work that problem against Novak...?
Report stu June 10, 2023 10:59 AM BST
Plus, I'd argue, if you're ever going to beat Novak, then it's going to be on clay...
Report Wesdag June 10, 2023 11:29 AM BST

Jun 10, 2023 -- 4:29AM, stu wrote:


Only possible issue IMO against Ruud is that Novak did show some muscle issues himself, with the trainer - Ruud had an easy match, and makes you work pretty hard, so can he work that problem against Novak...?


Novak been doing that for years - pure mind games imo.
He always finds a way even if he does look a bit spent physically.

Report Wesdag June 10, 2023 11:31 AM BST

Jun 10, 2023 -- 4:59AM, stu wrote:


Plus, I'd argue, if you're ever going to beat Novak, then it's going to be on clay...


Nope - for the reason I gave further up.
He knows that if he can go toe to toe & even beat the greatest ever player on clay, then nobody else will come close.

Report stu June 10, 2023 11:35 AM BST
You're right, on both points - but it still remains his weakest possible surface overall.

So here is the best chance to beat him, especially as it's Ruud's favourite surface by far.
Report stu June 10, 2023 11:46 AM BST
He has beaten great players like Rafa on this surface, but he's also lost plenty times on this surface too. And he isn't exactly going to be better than he's been in the past, when younger.

He's worthy favourite of course, just putting out the possible chances for Ruud here - only Rafa stopped him last time here.
Report Wesdag June 10, 2023 12:28 PM BST
He's been to the quarter finals here a record 17 times - more than Rafa.

Tomorrow is his 7th final here.
Report Wesdag June 10, 2023 12:29 PM BST

Jun 10, 2023 -- 5:46AM, stu wrote:


He has beaten great players like Rafa on this surface, but he's also lost plenty times on this surface too. And he isn't exactly going to be better than he's been in the past, when younger.He's worthy favourite of course, just putting out the possible chances for Ruud here - only Rafa stopped him last time here.


Over 3 sets on clay - yes.
Over 5 sets - almost a different sport.

Report Journeyman June 10, 2023 12:36 PM BST
“If someone tells you it’s the same having a player like Novak in the other side of the net, he is lying”.


This just feels such an odd quote for a world number 1.
Report Wesdag June 10, 2023 12:41 PM BST
Yep.
You might think it but you shouldn't be saying it publicly.
Report stu June 10, 2023 12:44 PM BST
Funny thing is we all know Alcaraz will almost certainly go on to dominate this sport too. I found his whole collapse odd yesterday, physically and mentally.
Report Wesdag June 10, 2023 12:49 PM BST
Just highlights the gap between the good & the greats.
Report SamuelMertensBertens June 10, 2023 2:33 PM BST

Jun 10, 2023 -- 5:35AM, stu wrote:


You're right, on both points - but it still remains his weakest possible surface overall.So here is the best chance to beat him, especially as it's Ruud's favourite surface by far.


I would say his weakest surface is grass. The problem is that this applies to most players and these days his grass level is far above anyone else's.

Report Journeyman June 10, 2023 3:58 PM BST
Interesting take.

It could be expanded to say Novak collected slams when other players were better on all surfaces. French Opens when Nadal was the best clay courter, Wimbledons when Fed was the greatest grass player.
More contentiously at least a couple of Australian opens at a time when Murray was the best hard court player in the world.
Report Journeyman June 10, 2023 4:17 PM BST
Also I see it took two full sets of the womens final before it was even mentioned once in the megathread (literally).
This has been a good old school match thread. Lots of contributors. pandora was right after all.
Report Angela Rebecchi June 10, 2023 4:41 PM BST
There is a reason why Novak is GOAT on grass. Small light frame and super flexible/yoga/pilates master. Obviously he is a monster in general, but these added assets mean is top monster on grass !
Report brain dead jockeys June 10, 2023 6:46 PM BST
carlos said every part of his body was in cramp because of nervousness.......its started in his hands.........this is the most bizzare statement a high profile sportsperson has ever said after losing a big match........i dont think his team will be happy that he made this public........he has already won a slam and has won 4 masters events. in his only match v novak prior to this, he won.
its very strange stuff.
Report wisewords June 10, 2023 7:27 PM BST
combination of nervous energy and the heat. he was very nervous about playing Novak
Report SamuelMertensBertens June 10, 2023 11:39 PM BST

Jun 10, 2023 -- 10:17AM, Journeyman wrote:


Also I see it took two full sets of the womens final before it was even mentioned once in the megathread (literally).This has been a good old school match thread. Lots of contributors. pandora was right after all.


haha no.

Report Wesdag June 11, 2023 12:16 AM BST
I love Rafa almost as much as I love Arsenal but Novak he is the GOAT. Any other discussion is churlish & futile.
Report Platini June 11, 2023 10:20 AM BST
I just don't accept that Novak is better on grass than clay, despite all the Wimbledon wins.

He grew up on clay and has always been superb on clay, but Nadal is just a ridiculous obstacle at Roland Garos.
The game has changed massively last 10-15 years, and there's just very few players who can play on grass, and very very few tournies on grass.
So the Wimbledon field is always weak as **** compared to other slams, his task there so much easier.
Report Wesdag June 11, 2023 11:13 AM BST
Tbf re grass, he can only beat what's in front of him.
He probably does have a better record in terms of consistency on clay v grass & but for a certain person would no doubt have won Roland Garros at least half a dozen times.
Report stu June 11, 2023 11:16 AM BST
He overcame Federer and Murray etc more on Grass and Hard, then he managed to do against Rafa on clay - and he's lost to others in this slam on clay also to add.

Of course he's a great player on all surfaces, just I think he's that bit better on others which is clear in his overall record winning more on other surfaces - if he was as great on clay, he would have won more on it.
Report Wesdag June 11, 2023 11:25 AM BST
Yes, but for Rafa, he'd have won at RG many more times.
Novak is excellent on clay but Rafa is just the greatest ever on the surface.
Report stu June 11, 2023 11:29 AM BST
Cecchinato and Thiem two examples of 'non-rafa' defeats here.
Report stu June 11, 2023 11:30 AM BST
Stan W also...
Report stu June 11, 2023 11:31 AM BST
plus Fed got a win against him here too.
Report Wesdag June 11, 2023 11:41 AM BST
I never said he was a Rafa-like machine on the surface! Cool
Bottom line is, he ain't too shabby on clay as 17 quarter finals at RG shows - more even than Rafa.
Report stu June 11, 2023 11:44 AM BST
and I haven't said he's not a great player on this surface, but you have to try to pick holes in a selection when it's the shortie IMO.

Ruud will likely lose today, but he's a very very decent clay courter - so we'll see.
Report Wesdag June 11, 2023 12:08 PM BST
Being decent ain't good enough unfortunately.
Report stu June 11, 2023 12:23 PM BST
Was for at least three of those guys above, and some others he's lost to here before.
Report Wesdag June 11, 2023 1:47 PM BST
Lol.
He ain't a machine.
Furthermore those defeats were years ago.
Only Rafa has beaten him there in the 4 years.
Report Wesdag June 11, 2023 1:54 PM BST
*the last 4 years
Report stu June 11, 2023 1:57 PM BST
Well Thiem defeat was 2019, so fairly recent. Plus he was pretty much at peak in some of those earlier years on other surfaces.
Report stu June 11, 2023 1:58 PM BST
Discussions was about whether he's as good on clay, personally I don't think the evidence supports it.
Report Wesdag June 11, 2023 2:34 PM BST
Lol.
A record 17 1/4 finals but yeah he ain't no good on the red stuff.
Report stu June 11, 2023 2:36 PM BST
That's not what I said though is it...?
Report Wesdag June 11, 2023 2:56 PM BST
fair enough - possible mis-read it

Is it possible to be equally as good on every surface?

Maybe you know such a player?
Report stu June 11, 2023 3:21 PM BST
Maybe so, but personally as I say I think he's just slightly lower level for clay than hard and grass.
Report stu June 11, 2023 3:29 PM BST
turning it on now, fair play.
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