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Bonjour Madames et Monsieurs!
I am glad to interest you in a new edition of the long-running tennis subforum tradition and game.
HOW TO PLAY:
Pick a player each day. If your player wins, you advance to the next day and get to pick again. If your player loses, you are out. Each player can only be chosen once. The picks continue every day until only one person is left, everyone has been eliminated, or the tournament has finished. That's the basic rules already.
Some additional rules:
- picks have to be submitted before the relevant match starts
- all picks count as long as 1 ball of the match has been played
- you can freely change picks as long as the match of your original pick has not started, nor has the match of your new pick
- if your pick withdraws before the match and you do not submit a new pick for the day yourself, then the last to start eligible favourite (I will use average odds on tennisexplorer.com) of the day is automatically entered for you. Eligible means player that had not been picked yet on a previous day. This is done because it cannot be expected from people to be around all day.
- in case of (long) rain delays and carried over matches, you can not pick from these matches on the next day. I.e. a match is first scheduled on Monday, there is rain and the match never starts on Monday. It is then rescheduled for Tuesday. You are not allowed to pick from that match. If this situation arises, I will try to post the ineligible matches.
At the end, glory, lots of forum cred, and an entry into the competition's Hall of Fame awaits the ultimate winner(s). The Hall of Fame can be found at:
https://community.betfair.com/tennis/go/thread/view/94186/30945693/suicide-pool-winners-throughout-the-years
I hope that covers everything. If there are any additional questions, feel free to ask.
Remember: Roland Garros always starts on Sunday!
I am glad to interest you in a new edition of the long-running tennis subforum tradition and game.
HOW TO PLAY:
Pick a player each day. If your player wins, you advance to the next day and get to pick again. If your player loses, you are out. Each player can only be chosen once. The picks continue every day until only one person is left, everyone has been eliminated, or the tournament has finished. That's the basic rules already.
Some additional rules:
- picks have to be submitted before the relevant match starts
- all picks count as long as 1 ball of the match has been played
- you can freely change picks as long as the match of your original pick has not started, nor has the match of your new pick
- if your pick withdraws before the match and you do not submit a new pick for the day yourself, then the last to start eligible favourite (I will use average odds on tennisexplorer.com) of the day is automatically entered for you. Eligible means player that had not been picked yet on a previous day. This is done because it cannot be expected from people to be around all day.
- in case of (long) rain delays and carried over matches, you can not pick from these matches on the next day. I.e. a match is first scheduled on Monday, there is rain and the match never starts on Monday. It is then rescheduled for Tuesday. You are not allowed to pick from that match. If this situation arises, I will try to post the ineligible matches.
At the end, glory, lots of forum cred, and an entry into the competition's Hall of Fame awaits the ultimate winner(s). The Hall of Fame can be found at:
https://community.betfair.com/tennis/go/thread/view/94186/30945693/suicide-pool-winners-throughout-the-years
I hope that covers everything. If there are any additional questions, feel free to ask.
Remember: Roland Garros always starts on Sunday!
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BTW : is this a mistake? Should it read : not been played?
Some additional rules:
- picks have to be submitted before the relevant match starts
- all picks count as long as 1 ball of the match has been played
Some additional rules:
- picks have to be submitted before the relevant match starts
- all picks count as long as 1 ball of the match has been played
Should it?
That's about retirements. Meaning if the match started and the first ball has been played/hit your pick counts. It is not voided in case of a retirement.
That's about retirements. Meaning if the match started and the first ball has been played/hit your pick counts. It is not voided in case of a retirement.
I thought it was maybe referring to the scenario where your pick would not count if you made the choice after 1 ball of the match has been played.
.... But your intention as stated is also valid
.... But your intention as stated is also valid
I rewrote the opening text this time around to streamline it a bit from the rules previously being stated in a wall of text kind of way. Will try to remember to phrase that piece better for Wimbledon.
As in, the rules weren't structured into bullet points previously, but in paragraphs.
You've set my mind at rest..... We appreciate all your hard work 
Karen fans, we made it to the 2nd week! Woohoo!
Day 1
Through: Everybody!
aaronh - Sonego
Anubis8 - RCB
Blencathra - Khachanov
edy - Borges
GRANTCKING - RCB
Journeyman - Fucsovics
mesmerised - Khachanov
SamuelMertensBertens - Khachanov
The Leopard - Tsitsipas
wisewords - Humbert
Through: Everybody!
aaronh - Sonego
Anubis8 - RCB
Blencathra - Khachanov
edy - Borges
GRANTCKING - RCB
Journeyman - Fucsovics
mesmerised - Khachanov
SamuelMertensBertens - Khachanov
The Leopard - Tsitsipas
wisewords - Humbert
May 27, 2023 -- 9:44PM, SamuelMertensBertens wrote:
I just need to make it til Monday, so going with the safest choice: Khachanov.
lacking in ambition, no?
May 28, 2023 -- 6:46PM, wisewords wrote:
May 28, 2023 -- 3:44AM, SamuelMertensBertens wrote:I just need to make it til Monday, so going with the safest choice: Khachanov.lacking in ambition, no?
Day 2 results
Blencathra - Khachanov, Coric
edy - Borges, Altmaier
GRANTCKING - RCB, Coric
Journeyman - Fucsovics, Coric
mesmerised - Khachanov, Coric
SamuelMertensBertens - Khachanov, Coria
wisewords - Humbert, Sinner
Out
On day 2: aaronh (Sonego, van de Zandschulp), Anubis8 (RCB, van de Zandschulp), The Leopard (Tsitsipas, no pick)
Blencathra - Khachanov, Coric
edy - Borges, Altmaier
GRANTCKING - RCB, Coric
Journeyman - Fucsovics, Coric
mesmerised - Khachanov, Coric
SamuelMertensBertens - Khachanov, Coria
wisewords - Humbert, Sinner
Out
On day 2: aaronh (Sonego, van de Zandschulp), Anubis8 (RCB, van de Zandschulp), The Leopard (Tsitsipas, no pick)
If Caramba changed his pick by DM to Coria then he must be out. 
Sorry, typo. Will be corrected in the next results.
Grant day 3: Dimitrov
I: Dimitrov
Grant day 3: Dimitrov
I: Dimitrov
Day 3 results
Blencathra - Khachanov, Coric, Zverev
edy - Borges, Altmaier, Dimitrov
GRANTCKING - RCB, Coric, Dimitrov
Journeyman - Fucsovics, Coric, Dimitrov
mesmerised - Khachanov, Coric, Ruud
SamuelMertensBertens - Khachanov, Coric, Fritz
wisewords - Humbert, Sinner, Cerundolo
Blencathra - Khachanov, Coric, Zverev
edy - Borges, Altmaier, Dimitrov
GRANTCKING - RCB, Coric, Dimitrov
Journeyman - Fucsovics, Coric, Dimitrov
mesmerised - Khachanov, Coric, Ruud
SamuelMertensBertens - Khachanov, Coric, Fritz
wisewords - Humbert, Sinner, Cerundolo
(Is Grant unable to post ? .... I'm not fully cognisant with Tennis forum history 
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GRANTCKING is a beloved former forumite who was banned due to unfortunate circumstances, but is giving me the picks on twitter.
Okay.... Hi ! .... Grant !
I think I remember the name GRANTCKING from Horse racing forum ?
I think I remember the name GRANTCKING from Horse racing forum ?
Day 4 summary
Blencathra - Khachanov, Coric, Zverev, Norrie
edy - Borges, Altmaier, Dimitrov, Davidovich
GRANTCKING - RCB, Coric, Dimitrov, Norrie
Journeyman - Fucsovics, Coric, Dimitrov, Khachanov
mesmerised - Khachanov, Coric, Ruud, Musetti
SamuelMertensBertens - Khachanov, Coric, Fritz, Rublev
wisewords - Humbert, Sinner, Cerundolo, Rublev
Blencathra - Khachanov, Coric, Zverev, Norrie
edy - Borges, Altmaier, Dimitrov, Davidovich
GRANTCKING - RCB, Coric, Dimitrov, Norrie
Journeyman - Fucsovics, Coric, Dimitrov, Khachanov
mesmerised - Khachanov, Coric, Ruud, Musetti
SamuelMertensBertens - Khachanov, Coric, Fritz, Rublev
wisewords - Humbert, Sinner, Cerundolo, Rublev
Way too many loaded on the Fritz wagon. I'll take a chance and switch to Seyboth Wild and hope he doesn't succumb to IJBABP
With Zverev's section now opening up due to the Sinner loss, I am saving Zverev for later in the tournament and changing my pick to Cerundolo.
Day 5 summary
Blencathra - Khachanov, Coric, Zverev, Norrie, Fritz
GRANTCKING - RCB, Coric, Dimitrov, Norrie, Fritz
Journeyman - Fucsovics, Coric, Dimitrov, Khachanov, Seyboth
SamuelMertensBertens - Khachanov, Coric, Fritz, Rublev, Cerundolo
wisewords - Humbert, Sinner, Cerundolo, Rublev, Fritz
newly out:
mesmerised - Khachanov, Coric, Ruud, Musetti, Sinner
Blencathra - Khachanov, Coric, Zverev, Norrie, Fritz
GRANTCKING - RCB, Coric, Dimitrov, Norrie, Fritz
Journeyman - Fucsovics, Coric, Dimitrov, Khachanov, Seyboth
SamuelMertensBertens - Khachanov, Coric, Fritz, Rublev, Cerundolo
wisewords - Humbert, Sinner, Cerundolo, Rublev, Fritz
newly out:
mesmerised - Khachanov, Coric, Ruud, Musetti, Sinner
Jun 1, 2023 -- 3:54AM, edy wrote:
No, actually I'll use Vavassori for day 5.
aw why did you change 
Day 6 summary
Blencathra - Khachanov, Coric, Zverev, Norrie, Fritz, Musetti
Journeyman - Fucsovics, Coric, Dimitrov, Khachanov, Seyboth, Alcaraz
wisewords - Humbert, Sinner, Cerundolo, Rublev, Fritz, Tsitsipas
newly out
GRANTCKING - RCB, Coric, Dimitrov, Norrie, Fritz, Rublev
SamuelMertensBertens - Khachanov, Coric, Fritz, Rublev, Cerundolo, Hurkacz
Blencathra - Khachanov, Coric, Zverev, Norrie, Fritz, Musetti
Journeyman - Fucsovics, Coric, Dimitrov, Khachanov, Seyboth, Alcaraz
wisewords - Humbert, Sinner, Cerundolo, Rublev, Fritz, Tsitsipas
newly out
GRANTCKING - RCB, Coric, Dimitrov, Norrie, Fritz, Rublev
SamuelMertensBertens - Khachanov, Coric, Fritz, Rublev, Cerundolo, Hurkacz
Day 7 summary - onto the second week for everybody still going. Journeyman and wisewords are still eyeing the double trophy of winning both men and women, Blencathra being the lone warrior*ess trying to spoil their party.
Blencathra - Khachanov, Coric, Zverev, Norrie, Fritz, Musetti, Rune
Journeyman - Fucsovics, Coric, Dimitrov, Khachanov, Seyboth, Alcaraz, Jarry
wisewords - Humbert, Sinner, Cerundolo, Rublev, Fritz, Tsitsipas, Ruud
Blencathra - Khachanov, Coric, Zverev, Norrie, Fritz, Musetti, Rune
Journeyman - Fucsovics, Coric, Dimitrov, Khachanov, Seyboth, Alcaraz, Jarry
wisewords - Humbert, Sinner, Cerundolo, Rublev, Fritz, Tsitsipas, Ruud
In response to Edy's questionaire I'm posting this on both the relevant threads.
I think switching is nonsense and shouldn't be allowed unless the player withdraws.
However I don't see a difference between different types of strategic play after the first match of the day has started.
To me whether picks are being switched or contestants are waiting to make decisions based on other peoples picks and how results pan out it amounts to the same.
It basically changes the contest from a pure picking contest to a strategic contest.
Now strategy can be fun but it's apples and oranges. It's either a picking contest or a strategy based thing.
To me there are only two ways the contest should be played.
SEMI PURE - Everyone posts their picks before the day's play starts.
FULLY PURE - Everyone submits their picks by DM to the organiser.
I brought this up after the last slam and the response was that it would be too much work for the organiser. Which I understand.
I have been using switching strategically in the mens competition. In fact today I would have switched again to Tsitsipas based on what happened in the Novak match.
I may have got carried away with making a point whereas on reflection I can see it could be upsetting for whoever it was that has questioned it.
So I am happy to pull out of the mens contest on that basis.
I have been careful to make my womens picks all before 10am (mostly the previous nights).
So I'll play on in that contest. Apologies again to anyone that was annoyed.
I think switching is nonsense and shouldn't be allowed unless the player withdraws.
However I don't see a difference between different types of strategic play after the first match of the day has started.
To me whether picks are being switched or contestants are waiting to make decisions based on other peoples picks and how results pan out it amounts to the same.
It basically changes the contest from a pure picking contest to a strategic contest.
Now strategy can be fun but it's apples and oranges. It's either a picking contest or a strategy based thing.
To me there are only two ways the contest should be played.
SEMI PURE - Everyone posts their picks before the day's play starts.
FULLY PURE - Everyone submits their picks by DM to the organiser.
I brought this up after the last slam and the response was that it would be too much work for the organiser. Which I understand.
I have been using switching strategically in the mens competition. In fact today I would have switched again to Tsitsipas based on what happened in the Novak match.
I may have got carried away with making a point whereas on reflection I can see it could be upsetting for whoever it was that has questioned it.
So I am happy to pull out of the mens contest on that basis.
I have been careful to make my womens picks all before 10am (mostly the previous nights).
So I'll play on in that contest. Apologies again to anyone that was annoyed.
Just realised the subsequent discussion took place on this thread
https://community.betfair.com/tennis/go/thread/view/94186/31805061/mouse-trap-trophy-rule-questionnaire
Summary
It was agreed I'm back in. (I'm on Tsitsipas.)
https://community.betfair.com/tennis/go/thread/view/94186/31805061/mouse-trap-trophy-rule-questionnaire
Summary
It was agreed I'm back in. (I'm on Tsitsipas.)
I thought about delegating the decision to the remaining competitors, but putting them under the pressure of potentially making themselves unpopular with Journeyman in Bouzkova/SST-style sounds kind of unfair.
My decision is: Journeyman moves on with Tsitsipas.
While you did not formally make the switch in time, to me it was clear that your pick was going to be Tsitsipas when I told you to overthink your withdrawal. And that was before Musetti had started. Most importantly, as Blencathra said in the questionnaire thread: "It's just bit of fun between everyone" and I don't think you gained an unfair advantage. Still, this is tennis so I need to nonetheless give you a warning. Next one will be a point penalty.
I hope this is an acceptable decision to you, Blencathra and wisewords, and I hope to continue having you guys participate and, if you want, help shape the rules going forward.
My decision is: Journeyman moves on with Tsitsipas.
While you did not formally make the switch in time, to me it was clear that your pick was going to be Tsitsipas when I told you to overthink your withdrawal. And that was before Musetti had started. Most importantly, as Blencathra said in the questionnaire thread: "It's just bit of fun between everyone" and I don't think you gained an unfair advantage. Still, this is tennis so I need to nonetheless give you a warning. Next one will be a point penalty.
I hope this is an acceptable decision to you, Blencathra and wisewords, and I hope to continue having you guys participate and, if you want, help shape the rules going forward.
I'm pleased to be in and the warning is fair. I did get carried away with the switching but your read on my reasons was correct.
I'll give it a miss going forward.
Like the other posters I trust your decisions and value the time and level headedness you bring to running these comps.
I'll give it a miss going forward.
Like the other posters I trust your decisions and value the time and level headedness you bring to running these comps.
Day 9 summary
Blencathra - Khachanov, Coric, Zverev, Norrie, Fritz, Musetti, Rune, Tsitsipas, Etcheverry
Journeyman - Fucsovics, Coric, Dimitrov, Khachanov, Seyboth, Alcaraz, Jarry, Tsitsipas, Zverev
wisewords - Humbert, Sinner, Cerundolo, Rublev, Fritz, Tsitsipas, Ruud, Djokovic, Etcheverry
Blencathra - Khachanov, Coric, Zverev, Norrie, Fritz, Musetti, Rune, Tsitsipas, Etcheverry
Journeyman - Fucsovics, Coric, Dimitrov, Khachanov, Seyboth, Alcaraz, Jarry, Tsitsipas, Zverev
wisewords - Humbert, Sinner, Cerundolo, Rublev, Fritz, Tsitsipas, Ruud, Djokovic, Etcheverry
The following question reached the rule's committee:
wisewords • June 6, 2023 10:30 PM BST
edy what is the outcome in this situation re: suicide comps..
- 2 competitors remain: Jack & Jill
- both pick Player A to win the match
- Player A wins match
- Jack has no picks remaining for the following round, but Jill have 2 available picks
Does the competition end there with Jill the victor, or does Jill have to make a pick regardless of the fact Jack has no available picks?
The rules committee came to the conclusion that Jill wins without having to make another pick.
wisewords • June 6, 2023 10:30 PM BST
edy what is the outcome in this situation re: suicide comps..
- 2 competitors remain: Jack & Jill
- both pick Player A to win the match
- Player A wins match
- Jack has no picks remaining for the following round, but Jill have 2 available picks
Does the competition end there with Jill the victor, or does Jill have to make a pick regardless of the fact Jack has no available picks?
The rules committee came to the conclusion that Jill wins without having to make another pick.
Good luck to you Blencathra. Ruud and Rune hard to split.
Well done Blencathra. I could only have managed a joint win with Wise on Rune.
You were the only contestant who could manage a solo win.
Exciting match to finish on and thanks to Edy for organising.
You were the only contestant who could manage a solo win.
Exciting match to finish on and thanks to Edy for organising.
Cheers ,
Roll on Wimbledon,
1st 2 days I'm abroad watching a LIV tournament at Valdarama,
Roll on Wimbledon,
1st 2 days I'm abroad watching a LIV tournament at Valdarama,
That's wrong. Both Semi finals are on the same day so Wise could have got a solo win.
Anyway you won! Well done.
Anyway you won! Well done.
Well done Blencathra on beating a field full of tough competitors and me! Your second men's trophy after last year's Wimbledon.
Thank you everyone for playing and hopefully see you again at Wimbledon!
Thank you everyone for playing and hopefully see you again at Wimbledon!
Jun 7, 2023 -- 4:53PM, Journeyman wrote:
Well done Blencathra. I could only have managed a joint win with Wise on Rune.You were the only contestant who could manage a solo win.Exciting match to finish on and thanks to Edy for organising.
you're mistaken. if Rune had won I'd have been crowned champion 
Jun 7, 2023 -- 5:30PM, Journeyman wrote:
That's wrong. Both Semi finals are on the same day so Wise could have got a solo win.Anyway you won! Well done.
oh what could have been, eh?
Yeah I mugged. By picking Rune I basically blew my own balls off.
If I'd picked Etcheverry and he'd won I'd have been in a great position, guaranteed either a solo win or a joint win with Blencathra the next round.
Just as well Zverev won
If I'd picked Etcheverry and he'd won I'd have been in a great position, guaranteed either a solo win or a joint win with Blencathra the next round.
Just as well Zverev won
If you'd picked Etcheverry and he'd won, you'd have Ruud left to pick in the semi final round. Blen had Carlos left to pick in the semi final round. Would have been a tense one with possibly both of you getting through to the final and sharing the win. But Etcheverry lost so it's a moot point.
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