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Bonjour Madames et Monsieurs!

I am glad to interest you in a new edition of the long-running tennis subforum tradition and game.

HOW TO PLAY:
Pick a player each day. If your player wins, you advance to the next day and get to pick again. If your player loses, you are out. Each player can only be chosen once. The picks continue every day until only one person is left, everyone has been eliminated, or the tournament has finished. That's the basic rules already.

Some additional rules:
- picks have to be submitted before the relevant match starts
- all picks count as long as 1 ball of the match has been played
- you can freely change picks as long as the match of your original pick has not started, nor has the match of your new pick
- if your pick withdraws before the match and you do not submit a new pick for the day yourself, then the last to start eligible favourite (I will use average odds on tennisexplorer.com) of the day is automatically entered for you. Eligible means player that had not been picked yet on a previous day. This is done because it cannot be expected from people to be around all day.
- in case of (long) rain delays and carried over matches, you can not pick from these matches on the next day. I.e. a match is first scheduled on Monday, there is rain and the match never starts on Monday. It is then rescheduled for Tuesday. You are not allowed to pick from that match. If this situation arises, I will try to post the ineligible matches.

At the end, glory, lots of forum cred, and an entry into the competition's Hall of Fame awaits the ultimate winner(s). The Hall of Fame can be found at:

https://community.betfair.com/tennis/go/thread/view/94186/30945693/suicide-pool-winners-throughout-the-years

I hope that covers everything. If there are any additional questions, feel free to ask.

Remember: Roland Garros always starts on Sunday!
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Report SamuelMertensBertens May 28, 2023 11:15 AM BST
ffs
Report The Leopard May 28, 2023 11:45 AM BST
Tsitsipas
Report The Leopard May 28, 2023 11:45 AM BST
To win
Report The Leopard May 28, 2023 11:46 AM BST
5 secs before game start ....close !
Report edy May 28, 2023 11:46 AM BST
5 seconds before the start is still 100% before the start. Happy
Report The Leopard May 28, 2023 11:48 AM BST
Wink ... just saw this thread about three minutes back
Report The Leopard May 28, 2023 11:49 AM BST
BTW :  is this a mistake? Should it read : not been played?

Some additional rules:
- picks have to be submitted before the relevant match starts
- all picks count as long as 1 ball of the match has been played
Report edy May 28, 2023 11:54 AM BST
Should it?

That's about retirements. Meaning if the match started and the first ball has been played/hit your pick counts. It is not voided in case of a retirement.
Report The Leopard May 28, 2023 12:01 PM BST
I thought it was maybe referring to the scenario where your pick would not count if you made the choice after 1 ball of the match has been played.

.... But your intention as stated is also valid  Mischief
Report edy May 28, 2023 12:12 PM BST
I rewrote the opening text this time around to streamline it a bit from the rules previously being stated in a wall of text kind of way. Will try to remember to phrase that piece better for Wimbledon.
Report edy May 28, 2023 12:13 PM BST
As in, the rules weren't structured into bullet points previously, but in paragraphs.
Report The Leopard May 28, 2023 12:26 PM BST
You've set my mind at rest..... We appreciate all your hard work Wink
Report SamuelMertensBertens May 28, 2023 1:57 PM BST
Karen fans, we made it to the 2nd week! Woohoo!
Report wisewords May 28, 2023 3:13 PM BST
Humbert
Report edy May 28, 2023 9:41 PM BST
Day 1

Through: Everybody!

aaronh - Sonego
Anubis8 - RCB
Blencathra - Khachanov
edy - Borges
GRANTCKING - RCB
Journeyman - Fucsovics
mesmerised - Khachanov
SamuelMertensBertens - Khachanov
The Leopard - Tsitsipas
wisewords - Humbert
Report Anubis8 May 28, 2023 10:31 PM BST
Botic Van De Zandschulp
Report mesmerised May 28, 2023 10:38 PM BST
Coric
Report Journeyman May 28, 2023 10:52 PM BST
B.Coric
Report wisewords May 29, 2023 12:46 AM BST

May 28, 2023 -- 3:44AM, SamuelMertensBertens wrote:


I just need to make it til Monday, so going with the safest choice: Khachanov.


lacking in ambition, no?

Report SamuelMertensBertens May 29, 2023 3:02 AM BST

May 29, 2023 -- 12:46AM, wisewords wrote:


May 28, 2023 -- 3:44AM, SamuelMertensBertens wrote:I just need to make it til Monday, so going with the safest choice: Khachanov.lacking in ambition, no?


Mischief

Report SamuelMertensBertens May 29, 2023 3:03 AM BST
Coric.
Report edy May 29, 2023 8:22 AM BST
aaronh day 2: van de Zandschulp
Grant day 2: coric
Report edy May 29, 2023 9:51 AM BST
I: Altmaier
Report Blencathra May 29, 2023 10:07 AM BST
Borna Coric
Report wisewords May 29, 2023 12:34 PM BST
Sinner
Report mesmerised May 29, 2023 7:40 PM BST
day 3: Ruud
Report Journeyman May 29, 2023 8:24 PM BST
Grigor 'stolen fancy watch' Dimitrov
Report edy May 29, 2023 9:18 PM BST
Day 2 results

Blencathra - Khachanov, Coric
edy - Borges, Altmaier
GRANTCKING - RCB, Coric
Journeyman - Fucsovics, Coric
mesmerised - Khachanov, Coric
SamuelMertensBertens - Khachanov, Coria
wisewords - Humbert, Sinner

Out

On day 2: aaronh (Sonego, van de Zandschulp), Anubis8 (RCB, van de Zandschulp), The Leopard (Tsitsipas, no pick)
Report Journeyman May 29, 2023 9:37 PM BST
If Caramba changed his pick by DM to Coria then he must be out. Devil
Report edy May 29, 2023 10:49 PM BST
Sorry, typo. Will be corrected in the next results.

Grant day 3: Dimitrov
I: Dimitrov
Report SamuelMertensBertens May 30, 2023 2:47 AM BST
Day 3: Fritz
Report Blencathra May 30, 2023 11:21 AM BST
A ZVEREV
Report wisewords May 30, 2023 12:54 PM BST
Cerundolo (F)
Report mesmerised May 30, 2023 10:33 PM BST
day 4 Musetti
Report SamuelMertensBertens May 31, 2023 3:47 AM BST
day 4 Rublev
Report edy May 31, 2023 8:30 AM BST
Day 3 results

Blencathra - Khachanov, Coric, Zverev
edy - Borges, Altmaier, Dimitrov
GRANTCKING - RCB, Coric, Dimitrov
Journeyman - Fucsovics, Coric, Dimitrov
mesmerised - Khachanov, Coric, Ruud
SamuelMertensBertens - Khachanov, Coric, Fritz
wisewords - Humbert, Sinner, Cerundolo
Report Blencathra May 31, 2023 9:32 AM BST
Norrie
Report edy May 31, 2023 9:51 AM BST
day 4:

Grant: Norrie
I: Davidovich
Report wisewords May 31, 2023 1:14 PM BST
Rublev
Report The Leopard May 31, 2023 1:21 PM BST
(Is Grant unable to post ? .... I'm not fully cognisant with  Tennis forum history Blush )
Report Journeyman May 31, 2023 1:42 PM BST
K.Khachanov
Report edy May 31, 2023 1:55 PM BST
GRANTCKING is a beloved former forumite who was banned due to unfortunate circumstances, but is giving me the picks on twitter.
Report The Leopard May 31, 2023 2:46 PM BST
Okay.... Hi ! .... Grant !

I think I remember the name GRANTCKING from Horse racing forum ?
Report SamuelMertensBertens May 31, 2023 9:32 PM BST
Zverev
Report Journeyman May 31, 2023 9:50 PM BST
T.Fritz
Report edy May 31, 2023 10:23 PM BST
Day 4 summary

Blencathra - Khachanov, Coric, Zverev, Norrie
edy - Borges, Altmaier, Dimitrov, Davidovich
GRANTCKING - RCB, Coric, Dimitrov, Norrie
Journeyman - Fucsovics, Coric, Dimitrov, Khachanov
mesmerised - Khachanov, Coric, Ruud, Musetti
SamuelMertensBertens - Khachanov, Coric, Fritz, Rublev
wisewords - Humbert, Sinner, Cerundolo, Rublev
Report edy May 31, 2023 11:24 PM BST
Grant day 5 - Fritz
Report mesmerised May 31, 2023 11:33 PM BST
Sinner
Report Blencathra June 1, 2023 9:00 AM BST
Taylor Fritz
Report edy June 1, 2023 9:53 AM BST
I: Fritz
Report edy June 1, 2023 9:54 AM BST
No, actually I'll use Vavassori for day 5.
Report wisewords June 1, 2023 10:44 AM BST
Fritz
Report Journeyman June 1, 2023 1:24 PM BST
Way too many loaded on the Fritz wagon. I'll take a chance and switch to Seyboth Wild and hope he doesn't succumb to IJBABP
Report SamuelMertensBertens June 1, 2023 5:20 PM BST
With Zverev's section now opening up due to the Sinner loss, I am saving Zverev for later in the tournament and changing my pick to Cerundolo.
Report mesmerised June 1, 2023 6:40 PM BST
I suck at this game
Report Journeyman June 1, 2023 10:43 PM BST
The table says you won twice.

H.Hurkacz
Report edy June 1, 2023 10:46 PM BST
Day 5 summary

Blencathra - Khachanov, Coric, Zverev, Norrie, Fritz
GRANTCKING - RCB, Coric, Dimitrov, Norrie, Fritz
Journeyman - Fucsovics, Coric, Dimitrov, Khachanov, Seyboth
SamuelMertensBertens - Khachanov, Coric, Fritz, Rublev, Cerundolo
wisewords - Humbert, Sinner, Cerundolo, Rublev, Fritz

newly out:
mesmerised - Khachanov, Coric, Ruud, Musetti, Sinner
Report wisewords June 1, 2023 10:51 PM BST

Jun 1, 2023 -- 9:54AM, edy wrote:


No, actually I'll use Vavassori for day 5.


aw why did you change Cry

Report SamuelMertensBertens June 1, 2023 11:29 PM BST
Hurkacz
Report edy June 1, 2023 11:50 PM BST
Grant: Rublev
Report Blencathra June 2, 2023 5:45 AM BST
L Musetti
Report wisewords June 2, 2023 2:46 PM BST
Tsitsipas
Report Journeyman June 2, 2023 5:42 PM BST
Switching to C.Alcaraz. He's my new new pick.
Report edy June 2, 2023 10:34 PM BST
Day 6 summary

Blencathra - Khachanov, Coric, Zverev, Norrie, Fritz, Musetti
Journeyman - Fucsovics, Coric, Dimitrov, Khachanov, Seyboth, Alcaraz
wisewords - Humbert, Sinner, Cerundolo, Rublev, Fritz, Tsitsipas

newly out

GRANTCKING - RCB, Coric, Dimitrov, Norrie, Fritz, Rublev
SamuelMertensBertens - Khachanov, Coric, Fritz, Rublev, Cerundolo, Hurkacz
Report Blencathra June 3, 2023 6:52 AM BST
Rune
Report wisewords June 3, 2023 9:41 AM BST
Ruud
Report Journeyman June 3, 2023 11:47 AM BST
N.Jarry
Report edy June 3, 2023 9:10 PM BST
Day 7 summary - onto the second week for everybody still going. Journeyman and wisewords are still eyeing the double trophy of winning both men and women, Blencathra being the lone warrior*ess trying to spoil their party.

Blencathra - Khachanov, Coric, Zverev, Norrie, Fritz, Musetti, Rune
Journeyman - Fucsovics, Coric, Dimitrov, Khachanov, Seyboth, Alcaraz, Jarry
wisewords - Humbert, Sinner, Cerundolo, Rublev, Fritz, Tsitsipas, Ruud
Report Blencathra June 3, 2023 11:46 PM BST
Tsitsipas
Report Journeyman June 4, 2023 11:30 AM BST
N.Djokovic
Report wisewords June 4, 2023 12:39 PM BST
Djokovic
Report Journeyman June 4, 2023 1:00 PM BST
Switching to L.Musetti
Report Journeyman June 4, 2023 3:42 PM BST
In response to Edy's questionaire I'm posting this on both the relevant threads.

I think switching is nonsense and shouldn't be allowed unless the player withdraws.
However I don't see a difference between different types of strategic play after the first match of the day has started.
To me whether picks are being switched or contestants are waiting to make decisions based on other peoples picks and how results pan out it amounts to the same.
It basically changes the contest from a pure picking contest to a strategic contest.

Now strategy can be fun but it's apples and oranges. It's either a picking contest or a strategy based thing.
To me there are only two ways the contest should be played.
SEMI PURE - Everyone posts their picks before the day's play starts.
FULLY PURE - Everyone submits their picks by DM to the organiser.

I brought this up after the last slam and the response was that it would be too much work for the organiser. Which I understand.
I have been using switching strategically in the mens competition. In fact today I would have switched again to Tsitsipas based on what happened in the Novak match.

I may have got carried away with making a point whereas on reflection I can see it could be upsetting for whoever it was that has questioned it.
So I am happy to pull out of the mens contest on that basis.

I have been careful to make my womens picks all before 10am (mostly the previous nights).
So I'll play on in that contest. Apologies again to anyone that was annoyed.
Report Journeyman June 4, 2023 8:06 PM BST
Just realised the subsequent discussion took place on this thread
https://community.betfair.com/tennis/go/thread/view/94186/31805061/mouse-trap-trophy-rule-questionnaire

Summary
It was agreed I'm back in. (I'm on Tsitsipas.)
Report Blencathra June 4, 2023 9:42 PM BST
T M Etcheverry
Report edy June 4, 2023 9:44 PM BST
I thought about delegating the decision to the remaining competitors, but putting them under the pressure of potentially making themselves unpopular with Journeyman in Bouzkova/SST-style sounds kind of unfair.

My decision is: Journeyman moves on with Tsitsipas.

While you did not formally make the switch in time, to me it was clear that your pick was going to be Tsitsipas when I told you to overthink your withdrawal. And that was before Musetti had started. Most importantly, as Blencathra said in the questionnaire thread: "It's just bit of fun between everyone" and I don't think you gained an unfair advantage. Still, this is tennis so I need to nonetheless give you a warning. Next one will be a point penalty.

I hope this is an acceptable decision to you, Blencathra and wisewords, and I hope to continue having you guys participate and, if you want, help shape the rules going forward.
Report Journeyman June 4, 2023 10:22 PM BST
I'm pleased to be in and the warning is fair. I did get carried away with the switching but your read on my reasons was correct.
I'll give it a miss going forward.

Like the other posters I trust your decisions and value the time and level headedness you bring to running these comps.
Report Journeyman June 4, 2023 10:49 PM BST
A.Zverev
Report wisewords June 5, 2023 7:04 PM BST
Etcheverry
Report Journeyman June 5, 2023 9:59 PM BST
N.Djokovic. Again.
Report Blencathra June 5, 2023 10:13 PM BST
N Djokovic
Report edy June 5, 2023 10:22 PM BST
Day 9 summary

Blencathra - Khachanov, Coric, Zverev, Norrie, Fritz, Musetti, Rune, Tsitsipas, Etcheverry
Journeyman - Fucsovics, Coric, Dimitrov, Khachanov, Seyboth, Alcaraz, Jarry, Tsitsipas, Zverev
wisewords - Humbert, Sinner, Cerundolo, Rublev, Fritz, Tsitsipas, Ruud, Djokovic, Etcheverry
Report wisewords June 6, 2023 5:54 PM BST
Alcaraz
Report Journeyman June 6, 2023 9:47 PM BST
H.Rune
Report edy June 6, 2023 11:54 PM BST
The following question reached the rule's committee:

wisewords • June 6, 2023 10:30 PM BST
edy what is the outcome in this situation re: suicide comps..

- 2 competitors remain: Jack & Jill
- both pick Player A to win the match
- Player A wins match
- Jack has no picks remaining for the following round, but Jill have 2 available picks

Does the competition end there with Jill the victor, or does Jill have to make a pick regardless of the fact Jack has no available picks?


The rules committee came to the conclusion that Jill wins without having to make another pick.
Report Blencathra June 7, 2023 7:38 AM BST
Ruud 

Best of luck Jounrneyman
Report Journeyman June 7, 2023 10:51 AM BST
Good luck to you Blencathra. Ruud and Rune hard to split.
Report wisewords June 7, 2023 7:01 PM BST
Rune
Report Blencathra June 7, 2023 7:04 PM BST
Good luck wisey,
Report Journeyman June 7, 2023 10:53 PM BST
Well done Blencathra. I could only have managed a joint win with Wise on Rune.
You were the only contestant who could manage a solo win.

Exciting match to finish on and thanks to Edy for organising.
Report Blencathra June 7, 2023 11:27 PM BST
Cheers ,

Roll on Wimbledon, 
1st 2 days I'm abroad watching a LIV tournament at Valdarama,
Report Journeyman June 7, 2023 11:30 PM BST
That's wrong. Both Semi finals are on the same day so Wise could have got a solo win.
Anyway you won! Well done.
Report edy June 8, 2023 7:13 AM BST
Well done Blencathra on beating a field full of tough competitors and me! Your second men's trophy after last year's Wimbledon.

Thank you everyone for playing and hopefully see you again at Wimbledon!
Report wisewords June 8, 2023 2:40 PM BST
well done Blencathra. thanks for running edy
Report wisewords June 8, 2023 2:41 PM BST

Jun 7, 2023 -- 10:53PM, Journeyman wrote:


Well done Blencathra. I could only have managed a joint win with Wise on Rune.You were the only contestant who could manage a solo win.Exciting match to finish on and thanks to Edy for organising.


you're mistaken. if Rune had won I'd have been crowned champion Excited

Report wisewords June 8, 2023 2:42 PM BST

Jun 7, 2023 -- 11:30PM, Journeyman wrote:


That's wrong. Both Semi finals are on the same day so Wise could have got a solo win.Anyway you won! Well done.


Happy oh what could have been, eh? Blush

Report Journeyman June 8, 2023 2:46 PM BST
Yeah I mugged. By picking Rune I basically blew my own balls off.

If I'd picked Etcheverry and he'd won I'd have been in a great position, guaranteed either a solo win or a joint win with Blencathra the next round.
Just as well Zverev won
Report wisewords June 8, 2023 3:06 PM BST
If you'd picked Etcheverry and he'd won, you'd have Ruud left to pick in the semi final round. Blen had Carlos left to pick in the semi final round. Would have been a tense one with possibly both of you getting through to the final and sharing the win. But Etcheverry lost so it's a moot point.
Report Journeyman June 8, 2023 3:08 PM BST
You can't get too Muchova good thing?
Report Journeyman June 8, 2023 3:13 PM BST
Wrong thread
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