Looks like Novak wont turn up in Australia

A few journalists looking into the test certs that he gave the aussies now. Aside from the dodgy story about the tests and not isolating it seems they've done an amateur job in making them look legit and the dates and sample numbers don't tally. Looks like his negative test was done before his positive and the positive was done 26th Dec and then backdated to 16th. Initially the positive test QR code when scanned showed a negative and this was changed to positive shortly after this was discovered. The results website has a timestamp built into the URL address and they forgot to change that and it tallies with the above dates.

It seems likely that he has both lied and committed fraud/forgery here. The Aussie Minister can revoke his visa and has a very good reason to now. It is not a given that he will be banned for 3 years on top of that but he would have good reason to ban him too. It would not be good for the tournament or future tournaments and the future of the AO generally if he does that. But if the media keep pushing this it will be very hard for the Aus govt to ignore.

Yep, something's brewing imo. All seemed a bit too convenient.

Tennis Australia seem to have gone AWOL. Not only did they lie to Djokovic about what constituted a medical exemption but seems they may have falsified his travel documents. God they must have been desperate to have him in Melbourne.

"It seems likely that he has both lied and committed fraud/forgery here. The Aussie Minister can revoke his visa and has a very good reason to now."

are they going to get involved in determining whether a serbian test cert is legit or not?

based on a media story?

opening a can of worms i would imagine

i think they've madde their point by now

they made it very clear they didn't want him and tried to stop him playing

Whatever the truth is, it's clear he's been a bit of a c&#t at least once in all of this:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59958662

Who says they have to get involved in anything? The Minister has discretion to revoke his visa. He can look at all this and the failure to isolate and join the dots if he hasn't already. Only going to happen if the media keep the pressure on tho imo.

yes but he will have to justify it, he will ahve to get involved in the specifics of his test hi cert etc

its a big risk and could get messy

Whoever's advising him would do well to tell him to button it, IMHO.  Every time he opens his mouth, the hole keeps expanding in different directions.

Not only is he an arrogant xxxx,he’s a liar and a cheat.What else has he covered up over the years ?

PEDs?

Suddenly turned into superman since 2011.

Prior to that, he was as weak as p iss.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HliNLBvLV0M

When asked for his opinion on the matter, Andy murray said: " I really don't think it's good for tennis,. I think it's really bad." Wow, thanks for that staggering insight, Andy!   Even his ultra lightweight brother would struggle to come up with anything less perceptive and more meaningless than that. If that's the best he can come up with, why even bother asking him?

Jan 12, 2022 -- 10:37AM, Pilsudski wrote:

Not only is he an arrogant xxxx,he’s a liar and a cheat.What else has he covered up over the years ?

He slipped your M0m 1 ? Heard he has a penchant for the ladies.
Humble guy is Novak just a will to win and confidence in his own beliefs dont make him arrogant
All u whining mugs moaning about a few white lies he told to get ar0und this totalitarian bs are the same types that actually got your phone out and tracked and traced

Jan 12, 2022 -- 12:02PM, Wesdag wrote:

PEDs?Suddenly turned into superman since 2011.Prior to that, he was as weak as p iss.

Dont u do y0ur research he just stopped buying Warburt0ns , simples bruv

Visa getting cancelled again Thursday.

Market seems to think so. Where are you seeing this news?

it shouldn't affect the market though should it?

"If a player does not start a tournament then all bets on that player will be void. For the avoidance of doubt, qualifying is not considered part of the tournament"

does start a tournament mean hit a ball?

It will affect the market as Daniil and Alex and the rest will be shorter without Novak. Daniil has moved in quite a bit in the last few hours. So someone seems to think Novak is in a spot of trouble still.

Journos with govt contacts.

Yeah there are a few stories in the Aussie papers about it today quoting 'sources' and saying that Djok's lawyers have been making submissions to the govt behind the scenes and the govt are leaning towards deporting him.

It's more of a political decision tho than a question of what is the right thing to do.

Can't see it myself. Would actually be amazed if he was deported. 1.5 on Smarkets to play looks a superb bet.

how is the liqiudity there now?
how much do you think it would have been on Betfair if there had been a market?

Tbf, he's told more lies in the last 3 weeks than even Boris could manage.

Aussies would look like mugs if someone could so blatently lie & remain.

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Djokovic decision likely this afternoon - #AO2022 draw around same time

Lawyers will prob appeal a deportation. Court process could drag into next week if fed court unable to sit Friday

Hawke has shut himself off from wider govt

https://theage.com.au/national/australia-news-live-novak-djokovic-visa-saga-continues-as-star-apologises-for-attending-interview-after-positive-test-covid-19-cases-continue-to-grow-across-the-nation-20220112-p59nr8.html
@Gallo_Ways

@theage

Djokovic vs. Hawke

Wisew0rdz says let Nole run free!!!

i sense a deportation.........

Don't agree with Navratilova equating being out of a tournament for pulling a hamstring with Novak's situation.

If you're injured you're not potentially going to win the event, if you're fit and ready to play but sent home for political reasons then you're not being allowed to win the event.
(thus the eventual 'winner' is only effectively winning the 'without Djokovic' market. IMHO!)

But the die is almost certainly cast now, we shall see. I just want to see the man play.

What he did was rash, going to an interview and breathing the omicron on a journalist's face. Of course that is the case, he knows it's the case. Ana Brnabić has made it clear he'll be disciplined Serbian style when he gets home for the rash behaviour.

But it shouldn't be relevant to whether he plays in the event when he has won his court case. It's two separate things.

aus open draw postponed.........is joko getting booted?

Neil Breen from 9

While Djokovic could still get the chance to compete in front of "amazing fans", Breen is reporting the Serbian could be removed from Australia before the end of the tournament due to the timing of the chaotic saga.

"There is word the government will cancel Novak Djokovic's visa today – and that will lead to this scenario," Breen wrote on Twitter.

"His legal team will file an injunction, which will be heard tomorrow.

"Djokovic will be drawn to play in the Australian Open as top seed.

"Injunction will be granted. Case heard next week.

"He will then play, meaning he could be thrown out mid-tournament if court upholds Immigration Minister's decision.

^
This would tie in with why the draw is still taking place. Still a mess!

Wesdag at 23:55……..Johnson or Becker ?

looks like australia are looking for even more ways to make themselves look a total laughing stock

If he was thrown out today then going by the timescale Neil Breen's calculated he would play what 3 or 4 matches once the injunction was granted and the case was being heard.

From a betting point of view this would obviously have opened up interesting opportunities for players in Novak's quarter.

However that doesn't seem to be happening.

If he was to lose a match before Hawke makes his decision that would solve the issue of having to throw him out mid tournament.
I'm not suggesting anything that crazy is what they're hoping for here, but at this stage anything is possible.

Well done, Alex Hawke.

Well done indeed.

"Djokovic's lawyers have called the decision "patently irrational" and say they will appeal."   the absolute arrogance of novak, lies on the travel forms breaks serbian covid rules then says the aussies are behaving irrationly, what a tool!!!

Jan 14, 2022 -- 8:18AM, Latalomne wrote:

Well done, Alex Hawke.

but did he leave too much time on the clock?

good on Australia , rules are rules , get vaxed or F... off back to Serbia

Australian border force will decide if you are allowed into the country,not the biased in his favour, Tennis Australia.

"rules are rules"

don't the rules allow for medical exemptions?

Djoko prob doing a lot of damage to the antibody status v vaccine status argument.

Looks like he wasn't positive in Dec and won't want to prove it through a test, if he was he could prove he had covid has  antibodies and doesn't need vaxxed and is not a health threat but it won't go down this road.

It has been steered away from natural  resistance from prior infection for a while now with no real proof of antibodies from vaccine either.

They want another level of control via vax passport, just a backdoor ID card.

Odds novak had covid in Dec are very high imo.

He must of been promised it wouldn't get challenged.

Hope he can recover mentally and get back on track as looks like it's over here, what are rules for his travel to France/UK/USA????

To my thinking if you can prove via a test you have antibodies then I don't see why a vaccine is needed,expecially for elite sports people.

Fitter than a butchers dog, the risk from vaxx to risk from covid changes imo, fit people under a certain age should never have been jabbed, kids as well, no way.

Anyway best for punting if novak is either in or out, maybe nae use imo.

Not long to go now.

A couple of fairly relevant updates from Chip Le Grand's report for The Age

Djokovic’s fate, which will be decided by the Federal Court on Sunday, no longer turns on whether he should have been given a medical exemption to play in next week’s Australian Open and whether, on the basis of the documentation he had, he should have been allowed to cross the Australian border.

As far as Immigration Minister Alex Hawke is concerned, those matters are no longer in dispute. In a stunning series of concessions that form part of the government’s high-stakes legal strategy, Mr Hawke accepts that Djokovic has a medical reason for not being vaccinated, came here with a valid exemption and posed a low risk of either getting or passing on the virus while in Australia.
He has abandoned all grounds on which Djokovic’s legal team had amassed a mountain of scientific and other evidence – all of it still untested – on which to defend his right to stay in this country.
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If it is inclined to take Mr Hawke’s concessions at face value, Tennis Australia may even be tempted to claim vindication.
It can point to the fact that the minister now accepts that the decision of its independent medical panel to award Djokovic a medical exemption on the grounds of a recent COVID-19 infection was consistent with the Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation’s guidelines.

Full article here
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/tennis-australia-on-the-sidelines-but-not-off-the-hook-20220115-p59ogu.html

Almost 30 minutes into the stream and it's evident that this is all coming down to whether Hawke can demonstrate

'The mere presence of Mr Djokovic in Australia might foster anti vax sentiment'

Paul McNamee nailed the crux of this, (I know this was posted elsewhere earlier)

Reminder ribbon Paul McNamee
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I (perhaps thankfully) have commitments the next few hours. This case will turn on whether Djokovic may increase anti-vaxx sentiment given his high profile. There’s a strong perception he’s an anti-vaxxer but, problem is, he is not. I trust the court to view it dispassionately Folded hands

Wood has pointed out that Novak's most recently expressed views include that

1 - admits he is no expert
2 - he has an open mind about it
3 - wanted to choose what was best for his body

bread nu butter

might be wrong but i don't think it can be proved you had covid or not through an antibody test

"There’s a strong perception he’s an anti-vaxxer but, problem is, he is not"

interesting twist!

"There’s a strong perception Rafa Nadal's an arse-picker but, problem is, he is not"

Exactly Giuseppe I think it's going to be absolutely pivotal.

McNamee also laterretweeted this c/o SFC_Debs

Australian Lawyers Alliance has given Novak Djokovic its support in his appeal against the cancellation of his visa.
Spokesman Greg Barnes SC said 'One of the most dangerous aspects of the Djokovic matter is the preparedness of the federal government to deem someone to be a risk to public order simply on the basis of what it perceives his views might be.;
This is Orwellian and it is deeply troubling in a society supposedly committed to freedom of speech and freedom of thought'

Interesting that Woods said earlier in the current stream that Hawke had the opportunity to check with Novak what his current views are but didn't do so.

no idea what will happen........by the way......medvedev has a dream draw

Lloyd (for govt) is focussing on what Hawke is entitled to infer as a response to Wood pointing out that Novak's current position had not been sought out.

The word 'infer' being used repeatedly.

Pointing out Novak is not vaccinated as of January 2022.
Lloyd says 'It's open to infer that Novak could have been vaccinated if he wanted to be / the minister is entitled to assume that it was his choice.'

Says he fact that he may change hie mind one day doesn't make the minister's inference invalid.

Lloyd says Hawke's concern is Novak fostering anti-vax sentiment not just among anti-vax community but all Australians.

Interestingly Lloyd now broadening Hawke's concern beyond anti-vax to anti-mask behaviour (ie when Novak went on Instagram to talk about his regret that he didn't cancel the interview with the L'Equipe journalist after testing positive).

Adds that Hawke inferred that Novak's presence in Australia would cause people to emulate this anti-mask behaviour.

Points out that people use high level athletes to promote ideas and causes. Says we're not inferring Novak is actually 'advertising' this behaviour but his connection to a cause has a comparable effect.

It is a disgraceful position though. If this was their view then they should have made this an unequivocal red line before entering the country, no exceptions or exemptions.

Absolutely. I think it's wild.

I was assuming this would come down to a mix of the legal and the political.
I didn't in a million years think that after Novak winning the first case and the visa being revoked again they would just concede the legal side and suddenly rest everything on demonstrating what Novak's views are (based on inference without consulting Novak) and what effect this would have on the Australian public.

Lloyd finished up by saying the minister is aware that there are consequences for his decision and that Hawke is aware of unrest, effect on good health and good order, and was aware of the protest the day after court's decision.

Refers to 'this notion of Political issues. This is not a minister that is not thinking the consequences of a cancellation decision or a non cancellation decision.'

Court will adjourn till 1.30 UST+11 ie 2.30 UK time

Clarification.

Ben Rothenberg
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^To clarify, the government lawyer seemed to be referring to protests/unrest earlier in the week, not yesterday's demonstration.

We're back !!

Lloyd saying Novak would have to establish that if Hawke considered the thing he did not consider (consulting Novak about his current views) then there would be a reasonable possibility of a different result.

Lloyd saying that Hawke had taken a broad spectrum of considerations into account (eg public health, good order, potential for protest in response to a decision)

Also saying there is no evidence that Novak would have said anything that would have made a difference if his views had been sought.

'The incremental drop of thought on what was already a substantial pool of thinking could not have made a realistic difference to the outcome.'

Lloyd done.
Wood saying he will just make a brief reply.
We might have a decision soon.

Lloyd saying if Novak won the Open it's an example for young and not so young fans of tennis.

Lloyd refers twice to vaccination rate being low in Serbia. Refers to Novak having become an icon for anti-vax groups.

He adds that in the same way that Novak associates with a whole range of products which does well for those endorsements. Rightly or wrongly he is seen to endorse and anti-vax view and this is what leads to the healthcare consequences.

'The knowledge of his perceived, historical and unanswered views could be seen to contribute to those issues.
That is all that is required for the minister to make the inference' (that Novak is an influence to those who look up to him not just in advertising but in political and other roles'

Now Wood to reply

he might incite anti-vax and and anti-mask sentiment

God forbid

Aussie government looking ridiculous

could Novak maybe be asked not to discuss vaccines and masks as part of a deal to let him stay?

"Adds that Hawke inferred that Novak's presence in Australia would cause people to emulate this anti-mask behaviour."

does this guy understand how little masks stop trnsmission?

medical experts in the US now basically admitting short of an N95 mask is useless

medical experts in the US now basically admitting ANYTHING short of an N95 mask is useless

that's the great irony here

vaccines and masks are not stopping trandmission

the whole basis for Novak (and all Aussies) to get vaccinated and to wear a mask is flawed

"The knowledge of his perceived, historical and unanswered views could be seen to contribute to those issues."

Novak being deported for beliefs he has never actually stated

let's a new one surely

that's a new one surely

woohoo they're done.

so now judges need to come to a decision.

Wood -

Unreasonableness can be used to depricate the process by which a process was reached.

Assuming for the purpose of discussion that his decision might galvanise antivax activity. As soon as you accept that the minister had clearly identified this and linked this appropriately to the public interest. If one attributes awareness to the minister of the BBC article it becomes perverse/unreasonable for the minister not to do something with that awareness.

Timescale for decision - 'Later this afternoon'
Wood had said 'If the court were persuaded we would seek an order within 30 minutes'

It did seem that all involved were pretty keen to crack on with the whole thing

will this be the end of it all tonight, one way or the other?

any further options for Novak or Hawke if they lose?

Novak is in police custody in the meantime, is that correct?

novak was in his lawyers office for this

He's in detention same place as before I think. that dodgy hotel with the flower paintings.

More clarification from Ben.

Ben Rothenberg
@BenRothenberg
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Basically, because of this fast approaching #AusOpen deadline, the court plans to basically say today/tonight if Djokovic has won or lost his appeal, and then at a later time they would articulate specific reasons for that decision.

Jan 16, 2022 -- 3:41AM, Giuseppe wrote:

will this be the end of it all tonight, one way or the other?any further options for Novak or Hawke if they lose?

If Novak loses he's out of the Aussie Open. From what I understand this being a full court the decision can't be appealed (that's why Team Djoko wanted to move on from just one judge, because those decisions can be appealed). But I don't know if there's some loophole around that or that Hawke can just cancel his visa again.

Serbian president launches extraordinary attack on Australia over Novak Djokovic legal battle - accusing officials of 'Orwellian performances' and Scott Morrison of 'mistreating him due to elections' (Daily Mail Australia)

The president of Serbia has lashed out at Australia after national hero Novak Djokovic lost his 11 day legal battle to stay and compete in the Australian Open.

The unvaccinated tennis star will likely fly home in a few hours, prompting his nation's leader Aleksandar Vucic to accuse Scott Morrison of playing politics ahead of an upcoming election.

Mr Vucic accused Australian government lawyers of 'lying' during 'pointless' court proceedings when they stated less than half of Serbians were vaccinated.

'You saw in the pointless court proceeding how much the prosecution lied,' he said.

'They are simply lying. They say there are fewer than 50 per cent vaccinated people in Serbia and officially the number is 58 per cent.
'Don't forget that's higher than in many European Union countries. That was a pointless argument, but that's possible in Orwellian performances.'

Mr Vucic said Australian athletes would be treated better when they arrived in Serbia for an athletics event in March and 'and we won't mistreat them due to elections.'

The president said he had given Djokovic his full support and told him he 'could not wait' for the tennis star to return to Serbia where he was always welcome.

'To mistreat the best tennis player for 11 days, and on the 11th day hand him the decision made on the first day…' he said, Serbian publication Novosti reports.

'Thank you to the Australian people as I am sure they love Serbs. They think they have humiliated Djokovic, but they have humiliated themselves and he can return to his country and look everyone in the eyes with his head held high.'

Serbian Prime Minister Ana Brnabic echoed the president's sentiments when she said it was 'unbelievable' two different court decisions had been reached in 11 days.

Ms Brnabic said over this time Djokovic had endured both 'physical and psychological mistreatment' and said she welcomed him home.

What a ridiculous pair of statements. 2 different decisions in two completely different cases. It took 11 days because Novak fought it for 11 days.

This clown Vucic also said he was treated like a mass murderer ffs

Hyperbole seems to be a Serbian character trait.

To be fair, Serbia know a thing or two about mass murder.

have you guys booked your fourth jab yet

Btw, Novak didn't have to take the jab.

He could've quarantined for 14 days instead.

So it's not like he was forced to be jabbed.

Jan 9, 2022 -- 6:36PM, wisewords wrote:

Lay Yes

collect winnings

"He could've quarantined for 14 days instead.

So it's not like he was forced to be jabbed. "

they might have kicked him out anyway

he followed the rules and was deported regardless

That's the thing Giuseppe.

The whole show turned out to be political, it's just that initially the mask of potential rule breaking was used and then the mask was just whipped off.

Just in the same way that a lot of posts on forums/social media about Novak have masked basic xenophobia with 'he broke the rules' until that was no longer a useful mask.

My appreciation for Nick Kyrgios has increased. When the chips were down he dropped his usual schtik and went to bat for his colleague. Unlike some he understood that sometimes there is a time to look beyond personal preparation.

Oh and I hope Nadal goes out in the first week.

Jan 16, 2022 -- 6:44PM, Giuseppe wrote:

"He could've quarantined for 14 days instead.So it's not like he was forced to be jabbed. "they might have kicked him out anywayhe followed the rules and was deported regardless

We'll never know.

Recently having covid isn't a valid medical exemption - Tennis Australia are the one's to blame, they aren't the Border Force.

he wasn't thrown out for breaking rules

he was thrown out on public order grounds

Recently having covid isn't a valid medical exemption

i haven't been following this as closely as some have, but i'm pretty sure the court ruled his visa was valid did it not?

Hawke accepted

1 - Djokovic had a medical reason for not being vaccinated
2 - Djokovic came here with a valid exemption
3 - Djokovic posed a low risk of either getting or passing on the virus while in Australia

As a result the government case was able to focus pretty much exclusively on

1 - Djokovic's perceived, historical and unanswered views
2 - The effect on the Australian public (including public order & good health)

In the original case the concession by the government's counsel was that the decision to proceed with interview and to cancel visa was unreasonable in the circumstances.

Djokovic was not adjudged to have had fair opportunity to process what was happening and to give a complete response.

'All of the facts and circumstances compel a conclusion, that given fair opportunity to deal with what he wanted to by 8.30, he would have.' Judge kelly

But yet they still chucked him out

Hawke was being kind in not pursuing the lie on the visa & "medical exemption".

He knew the decision would stick.

The judges even said, they didn't concern themselves with the reasons, only that Hawke's action were legal.

Can someone enlighten me as to what condition an elite athlete would have that mean they can't have the vaccine? my son has congenital heart defects and has had the shots. Glad we can look beyond the circus show now and watch some tennis.

Looks like he might have to skip Roland Garros too.

without the jab he can forget about the us open also........i expect to see a picture of him in a few weeks sitting on a chair with a person standing next to him, sticking a needle in his arm............if not, his career is over

Yeah, USA looks nailed on for jabs being required for entry.