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WTA qualies start on Monday, the main draw on Wednesday.

ATP qualies start Tuesday, main draw on Thursday.

Apart from Indian Wells there's the usual hipster tennis with challengers, women's ITFs and UTR this week.

Happy punting!
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Report n88uk October 16, 2021 6:04 AM BST
Leylah at 22s realistically seems pretty awful too.
Report SamuelMertensBertens October 16, 2021 6:05 AM BST
And Barty will shine in the warm-up events and price will go down.
Report n88uk October 16, 2021 6:06 AM BST
Osaka said about 2 weeks ago she wants to play tennis again.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/58704677

"I know I'm going to play again," Osaka told HBO show The Shop.

Adding that her return would be "probably soon", Osaka said: "I kind of have that itch again.


Given she's not playing any event this season, it'd be kinda surprising with comments like those if she doesn't play AO.
Report SamuelMertensBertens October 16, 2021 6:06 AM BST
I don't know what Leylah's price should be, but it shouldn't be twice as big as Emma's.
Report n88uk October 16, 2021 6:07 AM BST
Barty will probs shine, I imagine rules won't be anything like last year though in terms of giving her a huge edge in them.
Report SamuelMertensBertens October 16, 2021 6:07 AM BST
oh, I hadn't seen those comments. AO seems likely then. I'm not her biggest fan, but tennis needs big stars so I hope she will be ok and make a fulltime (well as fulltime as it will ever be with her) return to tennis.
Report n88uk October 16, 2021 6:08 AM BST
Both are just bad prices that I wouldn't touch with a barge pole. It's hard to say what either should be, but I'm hardly convinced either are just a proven top player now, and can't say I'd be remotely interested in any price sub like 50s, and they are never gonna be higher, so always going to be bad until market gets more data on their level.
Report n88uk October 16, 2021 6:09 AM BST
To be the prices they are you're saying they're like top 10 players in the world, I don't buy that for a second.
Report SamuelMertensBertens October 16, 2021 6:09 AM BST
wonder if anyone will not play due to the vaccine mandate. Ben reckons 50% of WTA players aren't vaccinated. If that's the case and Aussies go ahead with the mandate, will be interesting to see how stubborn they are. I don't think many will sacrifice playing in Slams over it.
Report SamuelMertensBertens October 16, 2021 6:10 AM BST
Leylah is more proven than Emma to me.
Report n88uk October 16, 2021 6:11 AM BST
Someone like Wise's Anett, decent price for someone ending the season strongly. If you can get like 100/1 on her that's a good price to be on now.
Report SamuelMertensBertens October 16, 2021 6:12 AM BST
Will be interesting to see what Gauff does next season. There is a feeling she's been stagnating, but apart from some flops here and there I think she's been progressing nicely.
Report SamuelMertensBertens October 16, 2021 6:14 AM BST
No Azarenka in the market again Cry What do they have against her? Meanwhile they have strong contenders such as Kiki Bertens listed.
Report n88uk October 16, 2021 6:14 AM BST
WTA latest report says 60% of players are vaccinated according to Ben. Like you I don't think many if any will skip a slam over it. See NBA where it's only really Kyrie kicking up a fuss.

Plus that doesn't mean 40% are anti-vaxxers, I think there's quite legitimate reasons tbh if you're a travelling tennis player to not have been vaccinated. Ben makes the opportunity sound easier than it is with this idea that tournaments have offered it, is true, but I kinda think getting vaccinated mid-tournament when many people feel tired/other side effects from it seems total muggery. Not everyone is from Western Europe/USA with their advanced programmes either.
Report n88uk October 16, 2021 6:15 AM BST
Gauff always so highly rated by OR though that hard to believe her price will ever feel good.
Report n88uk October 16, 2021 6:16 AM BST
Which tbh is probs what will happen to Raducanu forever more now. Leylah is a bit more proven like you say with her wins, but I still think she won't be anywhere near top 10 at end of next season, I can see like 20s in rank.
Report SamuelMertensBertens October 16, 2021 6:17 AM BST
Ben always pusing his agendas. But if that number is not drastically changed after the off season, then that's a different story.
Report n88uk October 16, 2021 6:18 AM BST
I said this last year but AO really need to hurry up and just set their rules. Like whatever the rules are, just set them, players need to know, and it better not get moved back a few weeks like it did this year. If players need to be vaccinated, they do like need to know that.

I haven't looked into it, but whatever the rules are for England's players in the Ashes is going to be a blueprint I imagine.
Report SamuelMertensBertens October 16, 2021 6:19 AM BST
Australia always last minute it seems Cry
Report n88uk October 16, 2021 6:19 AM BST
It's pushing an agenda, and seeing things through a very American lens. Eg. Ages ago now, but he was very harsh on what Schwartzman said, especially given Schwartzman's English is average to begin with.
Report n88uk October 16, 2021 6:20 AM BST
For F1, they have moved Aus grand prix from starting season to 3rd race I think, but this is literally like 1 month difference, which you'd think makes no difference in real terms. Race also Melbourne if you don't know.
Report n88uk October 16, 2021 6:21 AM BST
I suspect you get a lot of jockeying over what rules will be meaning it goes on forever. The thing is you just know if vaccine mandate is announced there's gonna be a push back, moaning, so they need to just get it over and done with. Maybe it's already going on though behind the scenes and we're just not privy to it publicly yet.
Report n88uk October 16, 2021 6:23 AM BST
I think there's also some theory like vaccination won't be mandatory, but unvaccinated players will have to quarantine. If that was actually the rules it would make it even more interesting on how many would say no. How many think it's worth being locked in a hotel for 2 weeks.
Report n88uk October 16, 2021 6:25 AM BST

Oct 16, 2021 -- 12:14AM, SamuelMertensBertens wrote:


No Azarenka in the market again  What do they have against her? Meanwhile they have strong contenders such as Kiki Bertens listed.


Especially as Vika is known to be vaccinated! Though unlike ATP, so are the top 3 favs in the market. #4 almost certainly isn't though.

Report n88uk October 16, 2021 1:09 PM BST
Scott Seiver
@scott_seiver
Heckling game on point. Just got my first staredown from Zverev.

Scott Seiver
@scott_seiver
·
13h
Important to do opposition research and then make sure you root for the good guys and against the bad guys. [article on Zverev allegations]


Scott Seiver
@scott_seiver
·
13h
Zverev just got an ace on second serve and turned around to taunt me with the shush symbol. He double faults next point and I shush him back. He’s shook


Scott Seiver is a professional poker player lol. Well know to any poker player.
Report n88uk October 16, 2021 1:17 PM BST
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikkGB3pQgA0&ab_channel=wsop

Here's Seiver owning Germans elsewhere too.
Report edy October 16, 2021 6:17 PM BST
Tamira Paszek won the doubles today at the W15 Monastir. Her first doubles title since 2013. She also has a chance to win her first singles title since 2014 tomorrow.
Report edy October 16, 2021 7:41 PM BST
Daria Mishina posted her side regarding her alleged doping violation on her Instagram for her fans. Go through the pictures for the statement

https://www.instagram.com/p/CVF6HMigBfU/
Report edy October 16, 2021 7:43 PM BST
Tallon Griekspoor can make it three consecutive challenger wins in three consecutive weeks if he wins tomorrow. Has currently won 14 consecutive matches since September 28.

#NewKingOfClay
Report edy October 16, 2021 7:47 PM BST
In Alexander Ritschard he faces a player he has beaten in both of the past two weeks already too, albeit having a lot of trouble with him last week. Ritschard was a converted break point away from getting to serve for a straight sets win against Griekspoor last week).
Report SamuelMertensBertens October 16, 2021 7:48 PM BST
more money in time travelling than grinding it out on the challenger tour imo.
Report SamuelMertensBertens October 16, 2021 7:48 PM BST
oh no I misread Cry
Report edy October 16, 2021 7:50 PM BST
Last thing Karatsev did before setting the world on fire with his AO semifinal was really grind the clay challengers after the tour had restarted.
Report edy October 16, 2021 7:50 PM BST
So watch out for Griekspoor at the AO.
Report edy October 16, 2021 10:06 PM BST
Just saw on MTF that the 2009 Sunrise Challenger (played in the second week of IW) semifinalists had a better average ranking than the 2021 Indian Wells semifinalists.
Report Giuseppe October 16, 2021 10:47 PM BST
edy do your DHL warehouse coworkers know about your interest in hipster tennis
Report edy October 16, 2021 11:26 PM BST
No, there is no time ever to socialise with coworkers at places like the warehouse.
Report edy October 17, 2021 1:26 PM BST
Are you all prepared to watch Qinwen Zheng snag the wigs of all your favourites next week in Moscow?

In other news: Paszek won her first singles title since 2014 earlier today.
Report edy October 17, 2021 1:26 PM BST
*snatch the wigs
Report n88uk October 17, 2021 2:54 PM BST
Eggy Egg
@TheBoiledEgg
·
5m
Kerber withdrew from Moscow after draw


So down to 3 players with realistic chances of catching Badosa then.
Report n88uk October 17, 2021 2:54 PM BST
Svitolina, Kontaveit, Pavlyuchenkova
Report n88uk October 17, 2021 2:55 PM BST
Svitolina's draw didn't look great in Tenerife I don't think, and she's hardly playing partic well, think she plays Tauson early or something.
Report edy October 17, 2021 3:15 PM BST
Kerber scared of Qinwen then. Not surprised.
Report SamuelMertensBertens October 17, 2021 3:45 PM BST
Saša Ozmo @ozmo_sasa
·1h
Filip Krajinović told @jjmedic89 that he won't travel to Australia if a 14-day quarantine is demanded.

"Five-day isolation is maximum I can do".
Report SamuelMertensBertens October 17, 2021 4:32 PM BST
Tennis Channel also bad at promoting Badosa:
https://twitter.com/TennisChannel/status/1449750798955646992
Report n88uk October 17, 2021 8:56 PM BST

Oct 17, 2021 -- 9:45AM, SamuelMertensBertens wrote:


Saša Ozmo @ozmo_sasa·1hFilip Krajinović told @jjmedic89 that he won't travel to Australia if a 14-day quarantine is demanded. "Five-day isolation is maximum I can do".


Medvedev says he's ready to do 14-day quarantine if required. That's why he's free innit, only one willing to pay the price.

Report Angela Rebecchi October 17, 2021 9:02 PM BST
Big late move for Aza here !
Report edy October 17, 2021 9:46 PM BST
Krajinovic must have a more insufferable wife/girlfriend than Medvedev.
Report edy October 17, 2021 9:47 PM BST
By being victorious at the W60 Rancho Santa Fe, Rebecca Peterson won her first title since 2019 Tianjin. She didn't drop more than four games in any of the ten sets she played this week.
Report edy October 17, 2021 10:31 PM BST
Rebecca Peterson's run in Rancho Santa Fe did not only reward the Swede. It also rewarded Kaja Juvan, who had lost 6-4,6-7,6-7 after almost three hours earlier today despite having had served for the match in both the second and third set. Juvan gets to enter the Tenerife main draw as a lucky loser for Peterson.
Report SamuelMertensBertens October 17, 2021 10:31 PM BST
The Spanish-American Badass Paula Badosa-Gilbert!
Report edy October 17, 2021 10:33 PM BST
Any fingers to the head?
Report SamuelMertensBertens October 17, 2021 10:36 PM BST
yes Sad
Report edy October 17, 2021 10:41 PM BST
cool
Report edy October 17, 2021 10:46 PM BST
Baez finally got his break to lead 6*-5 in the second set....only to give his advantage on the way to a possible comeback away immediately.
Report SamuelMertensBertens October 17, 2021 11:21 PM BST
related to Joan?
Report SamuelMertensBertens October 17, 2021 11:35 PM BST
phorum very quiet for this high quality IW final.
Report edy October 17, 2021 11:46 PM BST
Folks must have gone to bed after the Peterson final.
Report SamuelMertensBertens October 17, 2021 11:52 PM BST
only one person on this phorum was watching that.
Report edy October 17, 2021 11:52 PM BST
Plain
Report SamuelMertensBertens October 18, 2021 12:02 AM BST
oh Vika ...
Report n88uk October 18, 2021 12:02 AM BST
What a mug Vika.
Report SamuelMertensBertens October 18, 2021 12:04 AM BST
nerves getting to both of them.
Report SamuelMertensBertens October 18, 2021 12:08 AM BST
TIEBREAK OF TRUTH AND JUSTICE.
Report n88uk October 18, 2021 12:10 AM BST
Vika finnish.
Report SamuelMertensBertens October 18, 2021 12:14 AM BST
More pointing to the head coming soon.
Report wisewords October 18, 2021 12:16 AM BST
Paula. Badass. Gilbert.
Report edy October 18, 2021 12:17 AM BST
She seems reasonably happy at having won a slam.
Report n88uk October 18, 2021 12:18 AM BST
Ban Indian Wells.
Report edy October 18, 2021 12:19 AM BST
Why? Can Vika even make a final elsewhere?
Report n88uk October 18, 2021 12:19 AM BST
Yes, Monterrey.
Report SamuelMertensBertens October 18, 2021 12:22 AM BST
NFL peaking too.
Report edy October 18, 2021 12:22 AM BST
That was 2019. A lot has happened since then.
Report SamuelMertensBertens October 18, 2021 12:22 AM BST
So I can't watch the speeches.
Report edy October 18, 2021 12:23 AM BST
Vika is making the best speech ever.
Report SamuelMertensBertens October 18, 2021 12:24 AM BST
Watching with one eye. What a remarkable babyface turn over the years.
Report edy October 18, 2021 12:24 AM BST
wow, did you see that Badosa blooper?
Report n88uk October 18, 2021 12:27 AM BST
Vika copying the Fed strategy.
Report n88uk October 18, 2021 12:27 AM BST
Win 10 more points, hit more winners, less unforced errors, but lose cos you mug the tiebreaks. Good strategy as seen in Wimbledon 2019 final.
Report SamuelMertensBertens October 18, 2021 12:30 AM BST
Paula making Vika feel old.
Report SamuelMertensBertens October 18, 2021 12:32 AM BST
Gavin NightMair @gavinnightmair
·5m
Vika lets her kid play with blocks of glass. Confirmed.


this is something I would have said back in the day to rile n88 up.
Report edy October 18, 2021 12:57 AM BST
These are the moments where this forum really lacks a feature to display Dr. Evil gifs.
Report SamuelMertensBertens October 18, 2021 12:59 AM BST
Yastremska
Gauff
Krejcikova
Kerber
Jabeur
Azarenka

quite the run from Paula here.
Report SamuelMertensBertens October 18, 2021 12:59 AM BST

Oct 17, 2021 -- 6:57PM, edy wrote:


These are the moments where this forum really lacks a feature to display Dr. Evil gifs.


for me or Vika?

Report edy October 18, 2021 12:59 AM BST
you
Report The Leopard October 18, 2021 1:04 AM BST
Here it is :
.
Report SamuelMertensBertens October 18, 2021 1:07 AM BST
https://twitter.com/diarioas/status/1449880688979759114/photo/1
Good to see Spanish media catching on.
Report SamuelMertensBertens October 18, 2021 1:09 AM BST

Oct 17, 2021 -- 6:59PM, edy wrote:


you


that was the old me. These days I have turned babyface, just like Vika.

Report wisewords October 19, 2021 12:17 AM BST

Oct 15, 2021 -- 11:59PM, n88uk wrote:


WTA are basically an invisible organisation these days. They are actually quite lucky that others do the promotion for them, as they sure as hell don't try. Raducanu is a very, very risky proposition though realistically. Going to be hyped up beyond all proportions, anyone backing single digits for AO = a huge mug.


The BBC are the official promoters of Emma Raducanu!

Report wisewords October 19, 2021 12:26 AM BST

Oct 16, 2021 -- 12:02AM, n88uk wrote:


At some point she needs to get back to playing regularly full stop, this playing an event every now an then hardly going to be good for your game.


Will she retain Wim next season?

Report wisewords October 19, 2021 12:40 AM BST

Oct 16, 2021 -- 12:09AM, n88uk wrote:


To be the prices they are you're saying they're like top 10 players in the world, I don't buy that for a second.


clearly not top 10 players in the world but good players on that specific US Open surface

Report wisewords October 19, 2021 12:41 AM BST
Leylah is ahead of Emma in her development. quite remarkable really that Emma won the US Open
Report n88uk October 19, 2021 10:48 AM BST

Oct 18, 2021 -- 6:26PM, wisewords wrote:


Oct 16, 2021 -- 5:02AM, n88uk wrote:At some point she needs to get back to playing regularly full stop, this playing an event every now an then hardly going to be good for your game.Will she retain Wim next season?


I have no idea, really hard to tell what he thinks of current situation.

Report SamuelMertensBertens October 19, 2021 10:59 AM BST
jimmy soixante-dix @hotdog6969
· 3m
The start of the Australian Open has been locked in for January 17, with tickets to go on sale in late November. But with officials taking a pragmatic approach, regular pre-Open venues Brisbane and Perth stand to be shut out.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/tennis/top-flight-tennis-likely-to-return-to-sydney-as-djokovic-doubts-grow-20211019-p591df.html
,
Report SamuelMertensBertens October 19, 2021 11:00 AM BST
Good news about mid January start at least. I hope we get a full January calendar, regardless of where events are held.
Report SamuelMertensBertens October 19, 2021 12:57 PM BST
I've never seen Sorribes Tormo this mad.
Report SamuelMertensBertens October 19, 2021 2:27 PM BST
Line calling in Tenerife doesn't seem the best. Vekic super mad now.
Report edy October 19, 2021 3:31 PM BST
Is there a particular reason you keep hanging out in this thread instead of your Vol. 32 thread?
Report SamuelMertensBertens October 19, 2021 3:34 PM BST
yes
Report edy October 19, 2021 3:35 PM BST
Too many edys in the other thread?
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