Tennis Talk 2021: Vol 31 (Indian Wells)

Leylah at 22s realistically seems pretty awful too.

And Barty will shine in the warm-up events and price will go down.

Osaka said about 2 weeks ago she wants to play tennis again.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/58704677

"I know I'm going to play again," Osaka told HBO show The Shop.

Adding that her return would be "probably soon", Osaka said: "I kind of have that itch again.

Given she's not playing any event this season, it'd be kinda surprising with comments like those if she doesn't play AO.

I don't know what Leylah's price should be, but it shouldn't be twice as big as Emma's.

Barty will probs shine, I imagine rules won't be anything like last year though in terms of giving her a huge edge in them.

oh, I hadn't seen those comments. AO seems likely then. I'm not her biggest fan, but tennis needs big stars so I hope she will be ok and make a fulltime (well as fulltime as it will ever be with her) return to tennis.

Both are just bad prices that I wouldn't touch with a barge pole. It's hard to say what either should be, but I'm hardly convinced either are just a proven top player now, and can't say I'd be remotely interested in any price sub like 50s, and they are never gonna be higher, so always going to be bad until market gets more data on their level.

To be the prices they are you're saying they're like top 10 players in the world, I don't buy that for a second.

wonder if anyone will not play due to the vaccine mandate. Ben reckons 50% of WTA players aren't vaccinated. If that's the case and Aussies go ahead with the mandate, will be interesting to see how stubborn they are. I don't think many will sacrifice playing in Slams over it.

Leylah is more proven than Emma to me.

Someone like Wise's Anett, decent price for someone ending the season strongly. If you can get like 100/1 on her that's a good price to be on now.

Will be interesting to see what Gauff does next season. There is a feeling she's been stagnating, but apart from some flops here and there I think she's been progressing nicely.

No Azarenka in the market again What do they have against her? Meanwhile they have strong contenders such as Kiki Bertens listed.

WTA latest report says 60% of players are vaccinated according to Ben. Like you I don't think many if any will skip a slam over it. See NBA where it's only really Kyrie kicking up a fuss.

Plus that doesn't mean 40% are anti-vaxxers, I think there's quite legitimate reasons tbh if you're a travelling tennis player to not have been vaccinated. Ben makes the opportunity sound easier than it is with this idea that tournaments have offered it, is true, but I kinda think getting vaccinated mid-tournament when many people feel tired/other side effects from it seems total muggery. Not everyone is from Western Europe/USA with their advanced programmes either.

Gauff always so highly rated by OR though that hard to believe her price will ever feel good.

Which tbh is probs what will happen to Raducanu forever more now. Leylah is a bit more proven like you say with her wins, but I still think she won't be anywhere near top 10 at end of next season, I can see like 20s in rank.

Ben always pusing his agendas. But if that number is not drastically changed after the off season, then that's a different story.

I said this last year but AO really need to hurry up and just set their rules. Like whatever the rules are, just set them, players need to know, and it better not get moved back a few weeks like it did this year. If players need to be vaccinated, they do like need to know that.

I haven't looked into it, but whatever the rules are for England's players in the Ashes is going to be a blueprint I imagine.

Australia always last minute it seems

It's pushing an agenda, and seeing things through a very American lens. Eg. Ages ago now, but he was very harsh on what Schwartzman said, especially given Schwartzman's English is average to begin with.

For F1, they have moved Aus grand prix from starting season to 3rd race I think, but this is literally like 1 month difference, which you'd think makes no difference in real terms. Race also Melbourne if you don't know.

I suspect you get a lot of jockeying over what rules will be meaning it goes on forever. The thing is you just know if vaccine mandate is announced there's gonna be a push back, moaning, so they need to just get it over and done with. Maybe it's already going on though behind the scenes and we're just not privy to it publicly yet.

I think there's also some theory like vaccination won't be mandatory, but unvaccinated players will have to quarantine. If that was actually the rules it would make it even more interesting on how many would say no. How many think it's worth being locked in a hotel for 2 weeks.

Oct 16, 2021 -- 6:14AM, SamuelMertensBertens wrote:

No Azarenka in the market again  What do they have against her? Meanwhile they have strong contenders such as Kiki Bertens listed.

Especially as Vika is known to be vaccinated! Though unlike ATP, so are the top 3 favs in the market. #4 almost certainly isn't though.

Scott Seiver
@scott_seiver
Heckling game on point. Just got my first staredown from Zverev.

Scott Seiver
@scott_seiver
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Important to do opposition research and then make sure you root for the good guys and against the bad guys. [article on Zverev allegations]


Scott Seiver
@scott_seiver
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Zverev just got an ace on second serve and turned around to taunt me with the shush symbol. He double faults next point and I shush him back. He’s shook

Scott Seiver is a professional poker player lol. Well know to any poker player.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikkGB3pQgA0&ab_channel=wsop

Here's Seiver owning Germans elsewhere too.

Tamira Paszek won the doubles today at the W15 Monastir. Her first doubles title since 2013. She also has a chance to win her first singles title since 2014 tomorrow.

Daria Mishina posted her side regarding her alleged doping violation on her Instagram for her fans. Go through the pictures for the statement

https://www.instagram.com/p/CVF6HMigBfU/

Tallon Griekspoor can make it three consecutive challenger wins in three consecutive weeks if he wins tomorrow. Has currently won 14 consecutive matches since September 28.

#NewKingOfClay

In Alexander Ritschard he faces a player he has beaten in both of the past two weeks already too, albeit having a lot of trouble with him last week. Ritschard was a converted break point away from getting to serve for a straight sets win against Griekspoor last week).

more money in time travelling than grinding it out on the challenger tour imo.

oh no I misread

Last thing Karatsev did before setting the world on fire with his AO semifinal was really grind the clay challengers after the tour had restarted.

So watch out for Griekspoor at the AO.

Just saw on MTF that the 2009 Sunrise Challenger (played in the second week of IW) semifinalists had a better average ranking than the 2021 Indian Wells semifinalists.

edy do your DHL warehouse coworkers know about your interest in hipster tennis

No, there is no time ever to socialise with coworkers at places like the warehouse.

Are you all prepared to watch Qinwen Zheng snag the wigs of all your favourites next week in Moscow?

In other news: Paszek won her first singles title since 2014 earlier today.

*snatch the wigs

Eggy Egg
@TheBoiledEgg
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Kerber withdrew from Moscow after draw

So down to 3 players with realistic chances of catching Badosa then.

Svitolina, Kontaveit, Pavlyuchenkova

Svitolina's draw didn't look great in Tenerife I don't think, and she's hardly playing partic well, think she plays Tauson early or something.

Kerber scared of Qinwen then. Not surprised.

Saša Ozmo @ozmo_sasa
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Filip Krajinović told @jjmedic89 that he won't travel to Australia if a 14-day quarantine is demanded.

"Five-day isolation is maximum I can do".

Tennis Channel also bad at promoting Badosa:
https://twitter.com/TennisChannel/status/1449750798955646992

Oct 17, 2021 -- 3:45PM, SamuelMertensBertens wrote:

Saša Ozmo @ozmo_sasa·1hFilip Krajinović told @jjmedic89 that he won't travel to Australia if a 14-day quarantine is demanded. "Five-day isolation is maximum I can do".

Medvedev says he's ready to do 14-day quarantine if required. That's why he's free innit, only one willing to pay the price.

Big late move for Aza here !

Krajinovic must have a more insufferable wife/girlfriend than Medvedev.

By being victorious at the W60 Rancho Santa Fe, Rebecca Peterson won her first title since 2019 Tianjin. She didn't drop more than four games in any of the ten sets she played this week.

Rebecca Peterson's run in Rancho Santa Fe did not only reward the Swede. It also rewarded Kaja Juvan, who had lost 6-4,6-7,6-7 after almost three hours earlier today despite having had served for the match in both the second and third set. Juvan gets to enter the Tenerife main draw as a lucky loser for Peterson.

The Spanish-American Badass Paula Badosa-Gilbert!

Any fingers to the head?

yes

cool

Baez finally got his break to lead 6*-5 in the second set....only to give his advantage on the way to a possible comeback away immediately.

related to Joan?

phorum very quiet for this high quality IW final.

Folks must have gone to bed after the Peterson final.

only one person on this phorum was watching that.

oh Vika ...

What a mug Vika.

nerves getting to both of them.

TIEBREAK OF TRUTH AND JUSTICE.

Vika finnish.

More pointing to the head coming soon.

Paula. Badass. Gilbert.

She seems reasonably happy at having won a slam.

Ban Indian Wells.

Why? Can Vika even make a final elsewhere?

Yes, Monterrey.

NFL peaking too.

That was 2019. A lot has happened since then.

So I can't watch the speeches.

Vika is making the best speech ever.

Watching with one eye. What a remarkable babyface turn over the years.

wow, did you see that Badosa blooper?

Vika copying the Fed strategy.

Win 10 more points, hit more winners, less unforced errors, but lose cos you mug the tiebreaks. Good strategy as seen in Wimbledon 2019 final.

Paula making Vika feel old.

Gavin NightMair @gavinnightmair
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Vika lets her kid play with blocks of glass. Confirmed.

this is something I would have said back in the day to rile n88 up.

These are the moments where this forum really lacks a feature to display Dr. Evil gifs.

Yastremska
Gauff
Krejcikova
Kerber
Jabeur
Azarenka

quite the run from Paula here.

Oct 18, 2021 -- 12:57AM, edy wrote:

These are the moments where this forum really lacks a feature to display Dr. Evil gifs.

for me or Vika?

you

Here it is :
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https://twitter.com/diarioas/status/1449880688979759114/photo/1
Good to see Spanish media catching on.

Oct 18, 2021 -- 12:59AM, edy wrote:

you

that was the old me. These days I have turned babyface, just like Vika.

Oct 16, 2021 -- 5:59AM, n88uk wrote:

WTA are basically an invisible organisation these days. They are actually quite lucky that others do the promotion for them, as they sure as hell don't try. Raducanu is a very, very risky proposition though realistically. Going to be hyped up beyond all proportions, anyone backing single digits for AO = a huge mug.

The BBC are the official promoters of Emma Raducanu!

Oct 16, 2021 -- 6:02AM, n88uk wrote:

At some point she needs to get back to playing regularly full stop, this playing an event every now an then hardly going to be good for your game.

Will she retain Wim next season?

Oct 16, 2021 -- 6:09AM, n88uk wrote:

To be the prices they are you're saying they're like top 10 players in the world, I don't buy that for a second.

clearly not top 10 players in the world but good players on that specific US Open surface

Leylah is ahead of Emma in her development. quite remarkable really that Emma won the US Open

Oct 19, 2021 -- 12:26AM, wisewords wrote:

Oct 16, 2021 -- 5:02AM, n88uk wrote:At some point she needs to get back to playing regularly full stop, this playing an event every now an then hardly going to be good for your game.Will she retain Wim next season?

I have no idea, really hard to tell what he thinks of current situation.

jimmy soixante-dix @hotdog6969
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The start of the Australian Open has been locked in for January 17, with tickets to go on sale in late November. But with officials taking a pragmatic approach, regular pre-Open venues Brisbane and Perth stand to be shut out.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/tennis/top-flight-tennis-likely-to-return-to-sydney-as-djokovic-doubts-grow-20211019-p591df.html
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Good news about mid January start at least. I hope we get a full January calendar, regardless of where events are held.

I've never seen Sorribes Tormo this mad.

Line calling in Tenerife doesn't seem the best. Vekic super mad now.

Is there a particular reason you keep hanging out in this thread instead of your Vol. 32 thread?

yes

Too many edys in the other thread?