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By:
nofx
When: 18 May 21 16:03
14-0
By:
nofx
When: 18 May 21 16:04
0ne more..
By:
nofx
When: 18 May 21 16:06
how much city of Parma paid for this
By:
Angela Rebecchi
When: 18 May 21 16:06
1.2    £21        £3,187
1.21    £0        £2,232
1.22            £959
1.23            £6,104
1.24    £2        £1,636
1.25            £5,476
1.26            £7,102
1.27            £14,328
1.28            £19,949
1.29            £45,686
1.3    £46        £56,758
1.31    £21        £19,601
1.32            £10,184
1.33            £19,777
1.34    £0        £35,393
1.35            £27,281
1.36    £12        £25,954
1.37    £21        £33,817
1.38            £15,932

Serena GONE
By:
Angela Rebecchi
When: 18 May 21 16:06
She played that 2nd set like she could not wait to leave.
By:
Traderx90
When: 18 May 21 16:07
The trash is in the bin as it`s supposed to be, happy day :)
By:
Traderx90
When: 18 May 21 16:08
When she took the WC it was clear that she will show, take the money, get some matches and leave asap but I didn`t expect her to embarrass herself to lose to Sini in straight sets :D
By:
nofx
When: 18 May 21 16:08
maybe at some point Williams will find herself outside top 200 an TUI finally steps in
By:
nofx
When: 18 May 21 16:09
then again by that time places might no longer offer a million entrance fee
By:
Traderx90
When: 18 May 21 16:12
TIU never will do anything, Serena kind of players just too big for the sport to be punished for anything and also "tanking" isn`t match fixing.
By:
nofx
When: 18 May 21 16:16
was a jk, but losing on purpose = fixing
By:
nofx
When: 18 May 21 16:17
once upon a long time ago that Tsonga fella from earlier got fined for it. unsportsmanlike conduct officially but still
By:
Traderx90
When: 18 May 21 16:18
Unfortunately it doesn`t work like that. There is only one kind of "fixing" considered by TIU and that is betting related. If a player decides to go out and lose on purpose without any influence and betting related bribe then that is "just" code violation of WTA.
Example: Kyrgios got fined for tanking

Code violation and match fixing are moon and earth.
By:
nofx
When: 18 May 21 16:24
just because TIU is at best toothless, but really is just unwilling, doesn't mean it's not fixing

for ages on any Serena match outside premiers aka her 1 round appearances you can be sure there's irregular betting activity. that alone is just not something TIU can act on. or 'd want to
By:
Traderx90
When: 18 May 21 16:31
I know exactly how TIU works. I didn`t say that irregular betting activities didn`t show up, but can you or anyone else prove it? NO.
Bencic,Mladenovic,Pavlyuchenkova,Pera etc etc etc we all know that match fixing is around and also know who are those players that fixing matches but nobody can prove it, TIU works based on proofs same as any civil or criminal court
It`s not a question that match fixing exist on the top level, but you can not prove it therefor you can not expect any officials to punish them, do you know what I`m saying? Everybody knows that OJ Simpson did that sh*t but nobody could prove it,right? That`s why tennis players literally untouchable.
By:
nofx
When: 18 May 21 16:40
we're not disagreeing on anything else than that it's still fixing

point is that when it happens to a no-namer that player might get on TIU's radar. Williams will never be in that position
By:
nofx
When: 18 May 21 16:42
like I said "and TUI finally steps in" was only kidding
By:
Angela Rebecchi
When: 18 May 21 16:46
1.03    £1,748        £0
1.04    £752        £59,243
1.05    £86        £25,086
1.06    £5        £102,699
1.07    £70        £72,664
1.08    £5        £80,947
1.09            £71,142
1.1            £39,200
1.11            £157,947
1.12    £2,034        £81,321
1.13            £80,507


Federer GONE
By:
Traderx90
When: 18 May 21 16:48
It`s fixing in your opinion but ATP,WTA,ITF rules and also TIU rules&laws say completely otherwise.Try to stay objective, just because you believe in something or state something or think something it won`t make it true. There is simple straight forward laws and rules on what makes something match fixing or tanking. I`m not against you at all because I know there is fixing on the daily basis, I just try to point out the difference between those two act of violation. A simple "tanking" won`t be match fixing just because you think and "believe" it is.
By:
Angela Rebecchi
When: 18 May 21 16:59
Sloane getting a complete beatdown at the moment.
By:
Angela Rebecchi
When: 18 May 21 18:32
1.04            £2,111
1.05            £8,666
1.06            £65,977
1.07            £21,933
1.08            £22,010
1.09            £25,300
1.1            £20,249
1.11            £27,410
1.12            £59,969
1.13            £17,429
1.14            £37,014

Daria DESTRUCTED by Sloane West Coast !

1.01            £10,511
1.02            £8
1.03            £12,846
1.04            £49,448
1.05            £16,870
1.06            £758
1.07            £1
1.08            £19,323
1.09            £7,294
1.1            £1,542
1.11            £30
1.12            £18
1.13            £1,145
1.14            £21,038
1.15            £15,752

Sloane hit this before going back to 1.4+ having missed all 3 initial MPs at 0*-40
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 18 May 21 18:45

May 18, 2021 -- 9:49AM, Angela Rebecchi wrote:


May 18, 2021 --  2:01PM, SamuelMertensBertens wrote:good win for my flag against MarinGreat tip. 1.25 SP got rightly trashed.


I wasn't tipping this. Just having hopes for this young Swiss longterm.

By:
nofx
When: 18 May 21 19:38

May 18, 2021 -- 10:48AM, Traderx90 wrote:


It`s fixing in your opinion but ATP,WTA,ITF rules and also TIU rules&laws say completely otherwise.Try to stay objective, just because you believe in something or state something or think something it won`t make it true. There is simple straight forward laws and rules on what makes something match fixing or tanking. I`m not against you at all because I know there is fixing on the daily basis, I just try to point out the difference between those two act of violation. A simple "tanking" won`t be match fixing just because you think and "believe" it is.


when an outcome is predetermined (by one party or not) they are fixing the result of their match

it's literally what that means. try to stay semantically objective, kiddo

By:
nofx
When: 18 May 21 19:47
about that, tanking is informal popular speak. and you're not using those quotation marks the way you think you are
By:
Traderx90
When: 18 May 21 20:09

May 18, 2021 -- 1:38PM, nofx wrote:


May 18, 2021 --  3:48PM, Traderx90 wrote:It`s fixing in your opinion but ATP,WTA,ITF rules and also TIU rules&laws say completely otherwise.Try to stay objective, just because you believe in something or state something or think something it won`t make it true. There is simple straight forward laws and rules on what makes something match fixing or tanking. I`m not against you at all because I know there is fixing on the daily basis, I just try to point out the difference between those two act of violation. A simple "tanking" won`t be match fixing just because you think and "believe" it is.when an outcome is predetermined (by one party or not) they are fixing the result of their matchit's literally what that means. try to stay semantically objective, kiddo


So this is what comes now right? :D Trying to be attack the other party in person when losing an argument based on facts.I`m not gonna continue to argue with you because you are clearly not on my level. In order to define match fixing or tanking you have to have PROOF. Otherwise you are just mouthing,guessing and believing in something that makes your loss less painful,this is what gamblers do.
What you just wrote only stands when there is a proof, but you don`t have any right? Also, if what you said would be true then players like Kyrgios or Tsonga would have been punished for match fixing and not for only tanking. If you can not separate those two things and understand that without proof any act of tanking will remain in simple code violation category then don`t even talk. You don`t understand what is the difference between law and rules and also the difference between tanking and match fixing. It`s quite arrogant that you think you know more than rule makers and officials than TIU, typical gambler.

as for the language and grammar mistakes, English isn`t my first language but I`m happy to talk with you in Hungarian,German,Spanish anytime if those quotation marks disturbs you.

P.s it`s quite pathetic when a loser try to attack the other side just because of a little disagreement. If you can not take loss stop gambling and start trading like intelligent people do,gambling is for losers, just look around in this community, some people gambling since 10-15 years and still didn`t make enough to quit and invest the money into real business and make proper living. That`s my 3rd year on this site alongside other trader platforms and I was already in premium charge after a year, so when you making comments like that and call me "kiddo" just think twice, first get on my level after open your mouth or just keep gambling and mouthing, you never will make it I tell you that, few comments like what you just made today is enough to recognize loser attitudes, and you have one.

I hope my English was good enough this time and did not hurt your feelings.

By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 18 May 21 20:31
fixing = when you are losing a match on purpose for betting related reasons
tanking = when your are losing a match on purpose for other reasons, in most cases to save energy for future efforts.
Serena losing these days = when you are losing because you are old and not as good as you used to be
By:
edy
When: 18 May 21 20:43
P.s it`s quite pathetic when a loser try to attack the other side just because of a little disagreement. If you can not take loss stop gambling and start trading like intelligent people do,gambling is for losers, just look around in this community, some people gambling since 10-15 years and still didn`t make enough to quit and invest the money into real business and make proper living

Please do not attack me like this. Thank you!
By:
nofx
When: 18 May 21 20:47
LaughLaugh

you were being a bit rude that's all. no need to go on a tangent
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 18 May 21 20:49

May 18, 2021 -- 2:43PM, edy wrote:


P.s it`s quite pathetic when a loser try to attack the other side just because of a little disagreement. If you can not take loss stop gambling and start trading like intelligent people do,gambling is for losers, just look around in this community, some people gambling since 10-15 years and still didn`t make enough to quit and invest the money into real business and make proper livingPlease do not attack me like this. Thank you!


Sad

By:
edy
When: 18 May 21 20:50
I'm gonna go cry.
By:
nofx
When: 18 May 21 20:54
crying in your pile of Doge
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 18 May 21 20:59
I started gambling in 1981. But more seriously in 2003. Still around.
By:
edy
When: 18 May 21 21:03
As for the terminology: While the terms "fixing" and "tanking" are mostly used as SamuelMertensBertens outlined, they both necessitate each other really.

A tank results in a fixed match, and a fix necessitates a tank of at least specific games or sets.

Fix (not just in tennis) strictly speaking just means to pre-arrange a result. If you go into a match with the intention to tank (deliberately lose), then you did fix your match. Money does not even necessarily have to be involved, strictly speaking.
By:
edy
When: 18 May 21 21:05
And so the TIU, in its court documents, can also be found using phrases like "tank for money".
By:
nofx
When: 18 May 21 21:06
sounds like some loser attitudes at the TIU
By:
nofx
When: 18 May 21 21:08
like do they even appreciate the very awesomeness of Siniakova over there I don't think so
By:
Traderx90
When: 18 May 21 21:10
Facts don't care about your feelings. I was rude? So this is the time when you pulling the victim card after you attack the other person due to your lack of information and knowledge on rules and laws right? If you can not do arguments properly and stay objective then why you start it and why you are rude to the other side? I was completely right and only explained what is the difference between those two when you stopped to argue the subject and started to argue the person which I called pathetic which also 100% correct.But OK, victim card is always good to use when you have no other cards in your pocket so I give you that to make you happy.

Edy and Sam, facts don't care about your feelings but I`m sorry if I offend any of you in a heated moment.

"tank for money" can be found indeed but that indicates for money from outside the organization. So if you get your money from ATP/WTA then you can literally allow to tank the match while you understand the risk of the penalty which always a little portion of your total earnings on your match so this rule can be abused by the players and they do it perfectly except of Kyrgios :)
By:
edy
When: 18 May 21 21:12
You were both right.
By:
edy
When: 18 May 21 21:13
Traderx90 in the way the terms are usually used.

Nofx if we go with the puristic definitions of the terms.
By:
nofx
When: 18 May 21 21:15
no not really
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